Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Tie Breaker
2006-05-11 11:38
by Cliff Corcoran
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Well sorta. Tonight's rubber game will determine the winner of the current-three game series between the Yanks and Red Sox, and will give the winner a one-game lead in the AL East, but if the Yankees win the two teams will be tied overall this season and will even up their head-to-head record since 2002 at 92-92.

The last two nights were opposites in just about every way. Tuesday night was characterized by sloppy play and awful pitching, at least by the home team. Last night was a crisply played and well-pitched game, eight of the ten runs coming on homers, one bad pitch at a time rather than the persistent inability to get hitters out.

Tonight could go either way, though a repeat of last night seems more likely. After a rough start, a pair of ugly relief appearances, and despite a skipped start due to a rainout last week, Shawn Chacon appears to have found his way back to his late 2005 form. In his last three starts he's done this:

19 2/3 IP, 13 H, 3 R, 0 HR, 9 BB, 12 K, .216 BABIP, 1.12 WHIP, 1.37 ERA, 3-0

The only ugly number there is his walk total and there's been some recent discussion that Chacon's walks, which have always been high, are actually part of his pitching strategy. He pitches around dangerous hitters and gets the next man out. That he's walked more than four men per nine innings but managed to keep his WHIP down supports that theory, which of course requires Shawn to work more of his BABIP magic.

Those three starts have brought Chacon's season ERA down to 3.94 and pushed his record to 4-1. Indeed, add Chacon to Mussina, the bullpen, and the quest for 1000 runs on the list of reasons why the Yankees are in first place right now despite the complete disintegration of Randy Johnson's delivery.

Tim Wakefield, meanwhile, has had some hard luck thus far this season, posting a Chacon-like 3.97 ERA and making quality starts in five of his seven turns, but getting just 3.71 runs worth of support per start, resulting in a 2-4 record. Take out his last two starts and that run support drops to just 2.00 runs per game. In his penultimate start, Wake beat the Yanks by holding them to three runs on four hits and three walks over seven innings while Joe Torre's Jeff Weaver Syndrome handed the Sox the win.

Two of those three hits and two of the three Yankee RBIs in that game came off the bat of Robinson Cano, who is now 5 for 15 in his brief career off the knuckleballer with two doubles, a homer and four RBIs. The only other Yankee hitter with a career OPS above .800 in more than ten at-bats against Wakefield is Gary Sheffield, who is on the 15-day DL. Yes, those 15 at-bats are a ridiculously small sample size, but after years of watching Robbie's veteran teammates wave at Wake's knuckler like they're swinging at houseflies with a rolled up magazine, it's striking how confident and locked in Cano seems against Timmy's tumbler.

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2006-05-11 14:38:23
1.   randym77
Looks like it's Bubba, not Melky. Maybe Joe really wants to bunt tonight...

Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Jason Giambi DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui LF
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Canó 2B
Miguel Cairo 1B
Bubba Crosby RF

2006-05-11 14:47:33
2.   rilkefan
"he's walked more than four men per inning"

Seems a tad high.

2006-05-11 14:50:22
3.   Cliff Corcoran
2 Oops, per nine innings. Sorry. Fixed it.

1 Is Joe protecting the rook from that nasty nasty knuckler?

2006-05-11 14:53:02
4.   wsporter
2 Wow that's a lot of BOBs per 9 innings. He must be pitching lights out to get around that.

Cliff, I do things like that all the time. You had to be thinking "per game" yet something got your attention and it came out the way it did. Drives me nuts when I do it.

2006-05-11 14:54:46
5.   nyyfan22
I think Torre would be wiser to play Phillips.. either at 1B or DH and move Giambi to 1B. Let's see if Matsui can knock around Wakefield like he has in the past.

Funny, I used to think that the term rubber game had something to do with the pitchers or the pitching match-up. But I recently learned that it doesn't. It's just a phrase that's used to describe any last game of any series that'll untie the series. i.e. 3rd game of a 1-1 3-game series. Or even better: Game 7 of the World Series.

Let's go Yankees! (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap)

2006-05-11 14:54:47
6.   randym77
2 I was wondering about that. Even Leiter wasn't that bad...was he?

3 Could be. Doesn't want to shake his confidence, or throw off his timing?

If Wakefield proves hittable tonight, maybe Joe will pull Bubba out and put Melky in.

2006-05-11 14:55:31
7.   Jeteupthemiddle
I'm gonna guess Bubba is in the lineup becuase he is batting .333 against Wakefield....however, that is only in 6 ABs.

Perhaps it is to protect the fly ball pitcher, Chacon?

2006-05-11 14:57:29
8.   Cliff Corcoran
4 You want a killer example of that? Check Grady Sizemore's comment in this year's Baseball Prospectus. An imaginary prize to the first commenter who finds my mistake.

1 I just remembered that Bubba has the same line against Wake as Cano, but he's only had six ABs and he has two Ks in those six ABs to Cano's one in 15 trips. All of that said, I seem to recall when Melky was promoted last year his Trenton manager said he was the best breaking ball hitter he'd seen. Why not give him a shot at the knuckler then?

Meanwhile, props for using the accent mark.

2006-05-11 14:58:32
9.   randym77
7 I think you're right. I just checked, and both Cairo and Crosby have good numbers against Wakefield.
2006-05-11 15:08:02
10.   wsporter
I see it's cloudy and cool up there. Anyone have a sense of whether the weather will mess with that disgusting thing Wakefield throws? Boy it'd be nice to get that thing out of there early.
2006-05-11 15:10:59
11.   sam2175
5 Not sure if you are recalling a specific game. Matsui has awful numbers against Wakefield.

.158/.238/.342, 0.580 OPS, worst among Yankee regulars.

2006-05-11 15:19:18
12.   weeping for brunnhilde
3 Yeah, heard him on WFAN and he said just that, he likes Bubba's "short little swing" against Wakefield and didn't want to throw the kid up there against him.
2006-05-11 15:24:32
13.   Shaun P
11 As someone said last night, it might be time to give Matsui a game off, consecutive game streak be damned. At least DH him to give him some rest - Bubba can play LF, Melky in RF, Giambi at 1B. You'd think that would be the best possible outfield given Chacon's flyball tendancies.

Getting Cairo in the lineup smacks of the old "Enrique Wilson is 10 for 20 vs Pedro, so he starts tonight/Randy Velarde has good numbers against Johnson so he plays tonight" schtick. Everyone say it with me: small sample size! Sigh.

Its way too early to have to start up a "Free Melky!" campaign. Right?

2006-05-11 15:26:51
14.   C2Coke
10 Let's hope so. On the other hand, Chacon seems to play better in bad weathers so that could be a good sign.

"...Robbie's veteran teammates wave at Wake's knuckler like they're swinging at houseflies with a rolled up magazine..."

I am sorry to find that real funny...because when I can see the image in my brain I break out laughing. Hopefully, tonight is a new start.

2006-05-11 15:28:21
15.   tocho
wily mo CF and manny RF tonight. that's a lot of ground for doubles.

BTW, who would have thought Lowell would be this good again. he's a legit threat now in that line-up.

I don't remember but I think weather like the current one in the bronx (windy) favors the knuckleball right?

2006-05-11 15:39:38
16.   searay
I thought Lowell would be good for the Sox. Not everyone who has a bad year is washed up.
2006-05-11 15:42:06
17.   Shawn Clap
Curt Schilling was rushed to a NY hospital in FULL UNIFORM today.

Details are sketchy, but early reports indicate he was suffering from a serverly bruised ego.

2006-05-11 15:51:08
18.   wsporter
17 Very nice Shawn Clap, very nice.
2006-05-11 15:53:52
19.   rabid stan
10 That "disgusting" thing Wakefield throws?

Surely, you mean his fastball, right?

Sorry, I'm a sucker for the knuckler, and I always enjoy watching Wake pitch, even when he pitches well against the Yanks.

I have to say that it'll be easier to be a member of the knuckleball cult if Haeger comes back and sticks around, though.

2006-05-11 15:59:18
20.   rabid stan
15 If he's tossing into the wind, then yes, it could make things very tough on the Yanks tonight.
2006-05-11 16:02:58
21.   randym77 says the wind is 16 mph from the ESE. Showers.

It also says "Watch for lightning." :-P

2006-05-11 16:11:32
22.   Simone
I swear, ESPN is a jinx.
2006-05-11 16:12:51
23.   Simone
Now Matsui is hurt. What a terrible start.
2006-05-11 16:13:33
24.   Jeteupthemiddle
Melky coming in you think?

Or are they gonna put in Bernie?

2006-05-11 16:13:34
25.   randym77
Man, this is not a fortuitous start.

Matsui's streak may be broken.

2006-05-11 16:14:07
26.   Jeteupthemiddle
Bernie in.
2006-05-11 16:14:36
27.   Marcus
What happened to Matsui?
2006-05-11 16:14:41
28.   randym77
It's Bernie.
2006-05-11 16:15:20
29.   rabid stan
Bern's in.

At least their moving Bubba to left.

Bernie doesn't even belong in right, forget left.

2006-05-11 16:15:33
30.   randym77
Matsui tried to make a diving catch, and caught his glove on the grass. Bent his hand back. Hurt his wrist, I think. Or maybe his thumb.
2006-05-11 16:18:56
31.   randym77
Yeah. Show 'em how it's down, Shawn.
2006-05-11 16:20:25
32.   rabid stan
That was way too much of an adventure for Bernie. Got a late start, fought the wind, fought the wall, and the runner moves up on him.
2006-05-11 16:21:37
33.   randym77
At least he caught it. I was afraid he wouldn't. I was thinking, "Darn, shouldn't have moved Bubba..."
2006-05-11 16:22:11
34.   Simone
Shut up, Berman. You jinxed Jeter in the first place.
2006-05-11 16:22:15
35.   rabid stan
Looks like Chacon prefers to face Lowell
2006-05-11 16:23:04
36.   Bob Timmermann
Rule 10.24 (c) CONSECUTIVE PLAYING STREAK. A consecutive game playing streak shall be extended if the player plays one half inning on defense, or if he completes a time at bat by reaching base or being put out. A pinch running appearance only shall not extend the streak. If a player is ejected from a game by an umpire before he can comply with the requirements of this rule, his streak shall continue.
2006-05-11 16:26:09
37.   Simone
Yessss!!! Wheww, what an escape.
2006-05-11 16:26:52
38.   rabid stan
Chacon on the tightrope, as always.
2006-05-11 16:27:26
39.   randym77
Does that mean the streak is broken? Can he come back in this game?
2006-05-11 16:28:19
40.   rabid stan
If Mats has to take a few days off, that may be the best thing for him.
2006-05-11 16:29:05
41.   Marcus
TADA! And now for my next trick, it's bases load, no outs!
2006-05-11 16:29:31
42.   rabid stan
Wow. ESPN tells the Mirabelli story for the 42nd time.
2006-05-11 16:29:39
43.   randym77
If the streak is broken, that would probably be a good thing for both Matsui and the team.

But the fans in Japan are going to be distraught.

2006-05-11 16:32:07
44.   Jeteupthemiddle
42 As does YES
2006-05-11 16:33:13
45.   rabid stan
I was going to say that Wake had it going there, getting wiggle in the last twenty feet to the plate, then Jeter poked one.
2006-05-11 16:33:31
46.   tocho
I really don't care about the streak, the injury looked pretty bad.

I hope he doesn't stay out long.

2006-05-11 16:34:29
47.   rabid stan
Pena looked dizzy out there.
2006-05-11 16:40:37
48.   Marcus
Wakefield doing his best Shawn Chacon impression out there.
2006-05-11 16:42:34
49.   rabid stan
2006-05-11 16:42:36
50.   Simone
Yeah, Jorgie!!!
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2006-05-11 16:42:58
51.   randym77
Nice work, Jorgie!
2006-05-11 16:47:39
52.   fgasparini
MLBGameday showed Ball 1 to A-Rod as being in the strike zone...editorial commet or mistake?
2006-05-11 16:47:56
53.   tocho
streak is over
2006-05-11 16:48:43
54.   BklynBmr
36 Kay is just now reading this rule. The streak is over unless the heavens open. 1,250 with the Giants, 518 with the Yanks.
2006-05-11 16:49:37
55.   tocho
a walk to Peña???? c'mon
2006-05-11 16:50:39
56.   randym77
Shaun P was strangely prophetic. 13
2006-05-11 16:53:31
57.   tocho
chacon is nibbling.

at this pace it will certainly be a battle of the bullpens begining in the 5th inning

2006-05-11 16:55:29
58.   BklynBmr
Giambi wouldn't have gotten to that one ;-)
2006-05-11 16:57:15
59.   rabid stan
As much as it pains me to say it, Morgan had a point.

In general, "If it's high, let it fly. If it's low, let it go." is about as good a rule as you could hope for to hit a knuckleball, assuming the knuckler you're seeing is bad-to-passable.

Now, bad-to-passable is anything that's finished fluttering 20-30 feet to the plate, so the high ones are pretty much sitting there for the hitter to line all over the field. The low one will still generate grounders.

But a good knuckler, or one moving inside of 15-20 feet to the plate, forget about it, high or low. Just let the pitcher walk you.

The ones up in the zone, if they're moving in the last fifteen feet or so, turn the line drives into nubbers, pop-outs, and whiffs. And the low ones still generate the grounders.

So I think Morgan was right when he said the high knuckler is more difficult than the low one, at least if it has plus movement.

2006-05-11 16:58:02
60.   rabid stan
2006-05-11 16:59:04
61.   BklynBmr
I smoke two packs everytime he pitches, but I like Chacon. A lot of late movement on the ball tonight...
2006-05-11 17:02:20
62.   randym77
BUBBA! Standup triple! Inches from a homerun.
2006-05-11 17:02:21
63.   Jeteupthemiddle
That Joe Torre. He's so smart putting Bubba in the lineup. :P
2006-05-11 17:02:25
64.   BklynBmr
Bubba!!! No home run trot there!
2006-05-11 17:02:26
65.   BobbyBaseBall
Bubba? Triple?
2006-05-11 17:02:31
66.   rabid stan
Three bagger. Awesome.
2006-05-11 17:03:06
67.   Bill
I was away for a few minutes. Any report on Matsui?
2006-05-11 17:03:38
68.   randym77
Damn. How do they keep doing that to Damon?
2006-05-11 17:03:52
69.   Benjamin Kabak
Dear Kevin Youkilis,

I hate you.

2006-05-11 17:03:57
70.   Shawn Clap
If Matsui is headed for the DL, I'd offer Terrance Long a 15-day contract. He may already be at a bus station in Cincinatti, wondering if $30 is enough for a ticket to NY.
2006-05-11 17:04:30
71.   randym77
No report on Matsui yet.
2006-05-11 17:04:32
72.   BklynBmr
67 Nothing announced yet...
2006-05-11 17:06:27
73.   BobbyBaseBall
Its too bad Wake's pitch count doesn't matter
2006-05-11 17:08:05
74.   fgasparini
59 Nothing wrong with Morgan when he talks about how to play the game. If his comment was, "Enthusiastic cheerleader guys like Cairo are the ones you want in against a knuckler, no matter what the stats say," I would disagree...but his comment makes sense from a player's perspective. How else would I, a non-player know that? It's cool and what he should do all the time.
2006-05-11 17:08:32
75.   randym77
Maybe they'll call up Kevin, too?
2006-05-11 17:08:39
76.   fgasparini
59 Nothing wrong with Morgan when he talks about how to play the game. If his comment was, "Enthusiastic cheerleader guys like Cairo are the ones you want in against a knuckler, no matter what the stats say," I would disagree...but his comment makes sense from a player's perspective. How else would I, a non-player know that? It's cool and what he should do all the time.
2006-05-11 17:08:57
77.   fgasparini
59 Nothing wrong with Morgan when he talks about how to play the game. If his comment was, "Enthusiastic cheerleader guys like Cairo are the ones you want in against a knuckler, no matter what the stats say," I would disagree...but his comment makes sense from a player's perspective. How else would I, a non-player know that? It's cool and what he should do all the time.
2006-05-11 17:09:03
78.   rsmith51
70 Terrence Long, really? I think Melky is much better already.
2006-05-11 17:12:03
79.   rabid stan
73 Not only is the knuckler relatively easy on the arm, but guys who throw it get used to high pitch counts.

Some pitching coaches think that pitching is just like any excercise, repetition, to a point, makes for endurance. I think Leo Mazzone considers that to be the case.

And seriously, Mark Loretta? Come on, get that guy out. He should be a black hole in the 2-spot.

2006-05-11 17:14:06
80.   BobbyBaseBall
75 But Joe has to play SOMEONE in the outfield, right? And Bernie can't be in both RF and LF at the same time.
2006-05-11 17:14:25
81.   rabid stan
Ok. I think that's two Bernie hits this inning.
2006-05-11 17:15:20
82.   rabid stan
2006-05-11 17:15:25
83.   BklynBmr
Holy Cow!!!! Bubba robbed 'em!
2006-05-11 17:15:52
84.   Jeteupthemiddle
Bubba again! 3rd inning and it is already a good game for him.
2006-05-11 17:16:01
85.   weeping for brunnhilde
Matsui never would have had that.

That's a break.

2006-05-11 17:16:04
86.   randym77
BUBBA! Damn.
2006-05-11 17:16:21
87.   Jeteupthemiddle
81 No, definitely not. Those were legit hits.
2006-05-11 17:16:52
88.   hensley
It's Bubba's time to shine. Wonder if Matsui would have gotten that. They should call up Thompson or Reese. Terence Long would be a horrible option, one of the worst everyday outfield hitters of the last half-decade.
2006-05-11 17:16:53
89.   wsporter
Bubba! Hidecki Pipp?
2006-05-11 17:17:24
90.   rabid stan
Anybody else think those Eric Gagne commercials for Husky Bags are hilarious?

He literally can't pitch out of a bag, and at the end, he has this look on his face that says, "I need surgery."

2006-05-11 17:17:32
91.   wsporter
Bubba! Hideki Pipp?
2006-05-11 17:18:02
92.   randym77
Bubba and Melky in the OF. Kevin Thompson "just in case."
2006-05-11 17:18:47
93.   rabid stan
A-Rod with A-Hit.
2006-05-11 17:19:16
94.   BklynBmr
Damn. The Boss woke A-Rod up...
2006-05-11 17:19:49
95.   BklynBmr
'Zilla on the way to the hospital, for x-rays I'm guessing...
2006-05-11 17:29:55
96.   randym77
Bernie's looking like Matt Lawton out there.
2006-05-11 17:30:57
97.   Marcus
70 Can I just say "heck no" to Terence Long? That guy should not be playing in the major leagues. Is he even in the major leagues right now?

Melky is definitely better than Long already.

2006-05-11 17:32:05
98.   randym77
Damon robs the Sox of another one. Chacon's living dangerously tonight.
2006-05-11 17:33:24
99.   BklynBmr
You don't run on Bernie!
2006-05-11 17:38:43
100.   Simone
Chacon lucky again.
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2006-05-11 17:39:05
101.   rabid stan
I think Chacon is giving me an ulcer
2006-05-11 17:39:10
102.   randym77
Chacon is taking years off my life tonight.
2006-05-11 17:41:54
103.   rabid stan
Cairo looked awful.
2006-05-11 17:46:05
104.   randym77
I think Bubba wants Matsui's spot.
2006-05-11 18:01:16
105.   bp1
Nothing on Matsui yet?


2006-05-11 18:01:21
106.   Marcus
Awful quiet in here. Is everyone too busy gnawing their nails off to comment on Chacon's shaky pitching?

100 pitches through 4 2/3.

2006-05-11 18:01:36
107.   wsporter
Any word on Matsui on Yes?
2006-05-11 18:03:04
108.   wsporter
That would have been it for me too. It just looked like he had no feel for it there.
2006-05-11 18:04:48
109.   hensley
Is it seriously only the 5th? Unbelievable.

No word on Matsui.

2006-05-11 18:04:53
110.   Jeteupthemiddle
I think I would have kept in Chacon to face Gonzalez than bring in Proctor with 3 men on...but we'll see.
2006-05-11 18:04:54
111.   randym77
I think he was tired. He threw over a hundred pitches. They had to pull him.
2006-05-11 18:04:59
112.   hensley
Is it seriously only the 5th? Unbelievable.

No word on Matsui.

2006-05-11 18:07:59
113.   rabid stan
Bend over Douggie! The Proctologist is ready to see you now.
2006-05-11 18:07:59
114.   BklynBmr
Scott Proctor. The man. The myth. The legend.
2006-05-11 18:08:05
115.   randym77
I think Proctor is for real.

And nice catch, Bernie.

2006-05-11 18:20:19
116.   Marcus
Let's see what magic trick Proctor has up his sleeve on this one. Hopefully it's not him turning into a pumpkin.
2006-05-11 18:24:24
117.   hensley
Myers for 1, then Farnsworth. The only answer.
2006-05-11 18:24:42
118.   randym77
Myers gets another chance at Big Papi.
2006-05-11 18:24:48
119.   rabid stan
Ok. Come on rain.
2006-05-11 18:29:07
120.   Marcus
Is it true that Squirtz is warming?
2006-05-11 18:29:09
121.   randym77
Oh, no. Sturtze is coming in.
2006-05-11 18:29:23
122.   Marcus
2006-05-11 18:29:41
123.   hensley
There is no reason why Tanyon Sturtze should be pitching right now. This is unbelievable. What is Farnsworth for?
2006-05-11 18:29:53
124.   greenfuzz
Kill me now, Sturtz v Manny
2006-05-11 18:29:59
125.   Marcus
I wish Joe would wring this guy's neck already.
2006-05-11 18:30:05
126.   randym77
Sturtze is going to be pitching to Manny.
2006-05-11 18:30:11
127.   Zack
Oh God, why are you going to Tanyon Joe?? It doesn't matter that its the 6th inning, this is manny Ramirez!! Bring in Farns for two, the game is in danger here...


2006-05-11 18:30:14
128.   BklynBmr
Manny has 8 HRs vs Sturtze? Joe has officially lost his mind. No, I mean officially...
2006-05-11 18:30:14
129.   JeremyM
I'm blaming Cashman for this one. We know Torre will use him, Cashman needs to take the option away.
2006-05-11 18:31:02
130.   Zack
I refuse to watch this happen...
2006-05-11 18:31:53
131.   rabid stan
Is it Tanyon Time?

Or are we going to the Villone Zone?

2006-05-11 18:32:13
132.   BklynBmr
NoMaas is getting ready for another entry to the 'Torre Losses'...
2006-05-11 18:33:04
133.   BklynBmr
I'm going to walk the dog. Let me know what happens...
2006-05-11 18:33:54
134.   randym77
Villone's coming in.
2006-05-11 18:33:57
135.   wsporter
I think they were counting on Proctor getting 4 outs, Farnsworth 6 then Mo or whatever was needed. May have to pitch Sturtze somewhere tonight. I guess better with a lead. Hopefully thats it.
2006-05-11 18:33:58
136.   Bill
The walk was as good a result as we could have hoped for.
2006-05-11 18:34:16
137.   rsmith51
Cashman, please...
2006-05-11 18:34:20
138.   greenfuzz
WTF, why on earth does he continue to go to this guy. I'm having echoes of Juan Acevedo
2006-05-11 18:34:26
139.   Zack
Well, all things considered, Tanyon walking Manny was probably the best we could have hopped for...
2006-05-11 18:34:27
140.   hensley
Thanks Tanyon! See ya tomorrah (pat, pat).
2006-05-11 18:34:42
141.   rabid stan
Sturtze really, really wants to pass Jose Lima on the all time worst ERA list for pitchers with ten years in the league.
2006-05-11 18:35:16
142.   Marcus
If they are going to pitch around Manny, why not just intentionally walk him with Myers to get to Nixon?

Oh wait, Tanny was trying to get Manny out!

2006-05-11 18:36:03
143.   rabid stan
Anybody else having trouble with the Toaster?

All my posts are lagged a few minutes late.

2006-05-11 18:36:06
144.   randym77
They said the weather is so bad that the next two games will be rained out. So Torre can use everyone in the pen...and is, apparently.
2006-05-11 18:36:18
145.   fgasparini
141 Stan, where can I find that list? Or are you just kidding?
2006-05-11 18:36:49
146.   claybeez
Man, I seriously thought Tanyon was going to shed a tear there. He didn't just seem pissed about being pulled, but upset. Shows you how much most of these guys care. Gotta be hard working your way into the circle of trust, and getting booted out so quickly.
2006-05-11 18:37:02
147.   wsporter
He didn't appear to be pitching around Manny, but I think Mr. Torre had it in his mind that Villone was not going to pitch to Manny there but that he was going to pitch to Nixon no matter what happend. I might have been tempted to put Manny on there rather than play with that fire.
2006-05-11 18:37:09
148.   randym77
143 Yes, it's really slow tonight. I'm getting a lot of 404s.
2006-05-11 18:37:13
149.   fgasparini
143 Yeah, I was earlier--OK for me now.
2006-05-11 18:38:35
150.   rabid stan
Robbie Rules
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2006-05-11 18:38:35
151.   randym77
Robbie!!!! Stud!
2006-05-11 18:38:48
152.   greenfuzz
2006-05-11 18:39:14
153.   wsporter
2006-05-11 18:40:11
154.   rsmith51
Villone >> Sturtze
2006-05-11 18:40:18
155.   BklynBmr
WoW! Great job, Villone!
2006-05-11 18:40:21
156.   Zack
Thank you Ronnie V, crisis averted for the moment
2006-05-11 18:40:22
157.   randym77
And Villone finally cleans up the mess.
2006-05-11 18:41:21
158.   Zack
we need some runs, badly
2006-05-11 18:41:28
159.   wsporter
OH Yes. That was Freeking Sweet. Bklyn make the dawg sit, walk him later, it's ok.
2006-05-11 18:41:44
160.   rabid stan
Shades of the '05 Yanks for the Sox tonight.

All those men left on base.

Can you believe that Proctor's men were left on base, cuz I can't.

Tip of the cap to Robbie, Villone.

2006-05-11 18:42:19
161.   Zack
This is the slowest, grossest game ever
2006-05-11 18:42:38
162.   yankaholic
Is this only end 6th.. what a game... nice... a good 3rd game..
2006-05-11 18:43:15
163.   rabid stan
Come on, rain.

Game's almost three hours old anyway.

2006-05-11 18:44:32
164.   jayd
fear not. bubba awaits to challenge the cycle...
2006-05-11 18:44:33
165.   rabid stan
It looks like Cano has lost his eye for Wakefield.
2006-05-11 18:44:34
166.   jayd
fear not. bubba awaits to challenge the cycle...
2006-05-11 18:44:38
167.   jayd
fear not. bubba awaits to challenge the cycle...
2006-05-11 18:44:43
168.   jayd
fear not. bubba awaits to challenge the cycle...
2006-05-11 18:44:51
169.   Bill
145 You need Lee Sinins Sabermetric Encyclopedia. Lima is at 5.23, Tanyon at 5.21. Actually tanyon has the 10th worst ERA ALL-TIME for pitchers with more than 750 innings
2006-05-11 18:45:56
170.   wsporter
jayd, are you trying to make a point?
2006-05-11 18:46:39
171.   hensley
Man, you're seeing the value of an innings-eating horse like Wakefield right now.
2006-05-11 18:48:18
172.   Zack
So while we struggle with out bullpen, their pitcher looks better and better, do we go to farns here?
2006-05-11 18:48:48
173.   rsmith51
Now can we go to Farnsworth?
2006-05-11 18:49:09
174.   jayd
170 sorry, just the anticipation and tension. my finger began to stammer...
2006-05-11 18:51:23
175.   wsporter
Hensley, no kidding. It seems to be like this every time with him. He drives me nuts. I wish we had a guy who could do this, 106 pitches and no concern about lifting him. And do that game after game after game.

Oh why won't the skys open?

2006-05-11 18:51:25
176.   BklynBmr
Matsui fractured left wrist. Surgery tomorrow.
2006-05-11 18:51:30
177.   rsmith51
Matsui fractured his left wrist.
2006-05-11 18:51:40
178.   weeping for brunnhilde

Surgery for Hideki tomorrow.

2006-05-11 18:51:48
179.   hensley
Matsui has a fractured left wrist, surgery on Friday. No word on how long.
2006-05-11 18:51:50
180.   randym77
Matsui fractured his wrist. He's having surgery tomorrow. He's probably going to be DLed.
2006-05-11 18:52:17
181.   jayd
wrist fracture, sounds almost season ending.
2006-05-11 18:52:22
182.   rabid stan
169 That's what I was talking about.

I heard Lima and Sturtze were 1-2 for the worst ERA for pitchers with ten years or more in the majors.

The Matsui news is awful.

2006-05-11 18:52:23
183.   rsmith51
Any medical experts out there?
2006-05-11 18:52:28
184.   Bill
That has to be 10-12 weeks. Assume Cashman is already on the phone to Allan Baird.
2006-05-11 18:52:46
185.   Bill
Will those 40 japanese reporters be laid off?
2006-05-11 18:52:49
186.   fgasparini
169 Thanks Bill, appreciate it. I need a lot of enough money to retire.
2006-05-11 18:53:15
187.   Jeteupthemiddle
180 I would say there is no "probably" about it.

Looks like Melky is up for a while.

2006-05-11 18:53:16
188.   rsmith51
I wanted him to end his streak, but not this way.
2006-05-11 18:53:37
189.   wsporter
Matsu, broken wrist, needs surgery tomorrow. Crap.
2006-05-11 18:55:03
190.   Zack
Fracture needing surgery for matsui, that sounds like he'll be gone a long time...Hope we give some kids a shot instead of trading them...

And that play showed Jeter's total lack of range

2006-05-11 18:55:21
191.   Simone
Oh no. Broken wrist! We see Matsui later in the season, right? I certainly hope so.
2006-05-11 18:55:42
192.   Bill
They are actually talking intelligently about bullpen usage!
2006-05-11 18:55:46
193.   hensley
FWIW: Derreck Lee has a fractured wrist, and the word in Chicago has been 60 days.
2006-05-11 18:56:15
194.   BklynBmr
Ca$h is on the phone with Brian Sabean right now. After Bonds* passes Babe, he's available for Randy and Sturtze straight up. Take that to the bank...
2006-05-11 18:56:31
195.   Bill
Ah jeez Bernie!
2006-05-11 18:56:38
196.   yankaholic
Just like that our team has gone from solid offense to top heavy.... its very very important that Giambi stays hot and Alex picks it way up...
2006-05-11 18:56:46
197.   rsmith51
191 I would guess he'll be back. Someone suggested 10-12 weeks.
2006-05-11 18:56:50
198.   Simone
Damn. Was it the wind?
2006-05-11 18:56:52
199.   fgasparini
188 Agree. The streak was tedious, this is heinous.
2006-05-11 18:56:59
200.   randym77
It's raining pretty heavily.
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2006-05-11 18:56:59
201.   Zack
And here we go again
2006-05-11 18:57:15
202.   weeping for brunnhilde
Kitty just voiced what was on my mind about these injuries, which is that it'll be both fun and important to watch the team's new complexion. They still have plenty of power but we'll see more baseball being played this way.

I for one am thrilled at the chance of watching this Melkie kid for a few weeks.

Melkie and Bubba will be fun to watch, but they'll probably never both start. Bernie in left, I suppose and Melkie in right.

2006-05-11 18:57:17
203.   yankaholic
U GOTTOB KIDDIN ME... oh man BERNIE just killed us...
2006-05-11 18:57:26
204.   Simone
It is empty the bullpen night.
2006-05-11 18:57:27
205.   wsporter
I'm gratified Cash didn't mention GOB as a serious option to fill in full time for Matsui.
2006-05-11 18:58:09
206.   hensley
Bernie = Lawton out there, 96 you called it.
2006-05-11 18:58:13
207.   Zack
The thought of Bernie playing everday for 60+ days sends shivers down my spine
2006-05-11 18:58:29
208.   rsmith51
That was pretty ugly, Bernie.
2006-05-11 18:58:38
209.   Marcus
Melky woulda had that.
2006-05-11 18:59:10
210.   jayd
jeremy reed of the mariners was feared to have a broken wrist and was supposed to be out 6-8 weeks (turned out to be ok and was 6-8 days instead). problem with broken wrists, depends on the bone could be even longer than 8 weeks.
2006-05-11 18:59:37
211.   Bill
There is absolutely no indication that Melky has enough power to carry a corner outfield spot, at least at this juncture. Until Sheff gets back, things are going to be ugly whatever combo of Crosby/Melky/Thompson/Bernie is out there.
2006-05-11 19:00:03
212.   rsmith51
Good thing Mo pitched last night(arggh!)
2006-05-11 19:00:25
213.   yankaholic
Some low cost options: Jay Payton.. Dave Roberts.. Mike Cameron..
2006-05-11 19:00:25
214.   Bill
Jeremy Reed did not break his wrist. The initial diagnosis was wrong. I would also note that he's hitting about .180
2006-05-11 19:01:04
215.   weeping for brunnhilde
190 Zack, I agree about Jeter's left-side range, but that was a legitimate hit.
2006-05-11 19:01:21
216.   wsporter
Got to stop them here. Who knows how long this will go.

Farnsworth has to get 5, or Mo has to get 6. Any chance the game is rained out on Friday?

2006-05-11 19:01:28
217.   Bill
213 I don't think the red-hot Pads are trading a starting OF now that they have discovered the joy of actaully having fast OF's in Petco
2006-05-11 19:02:58
218.   BklynBmr
This is one helluva game!
2006-05-11 19:03:12
219.   rabid stan
And Youk gets robbed.

Soivs im right.

2006-05-11 19:03:43
220.   wsporter
Boy that was the report on Farnsworth. He gets ahead 0-2 then forgets about the fastball.
2006-05-11 19:03:47
221.   weeping for brunnhilde
211 Bill, that's just crazy about the power for a corner outfielder jazz.

There's no commandment from on high that says a corner outfielder must have such and such power.

This team has plenty of power to carry a line-drive hitting rightfielder.

2006-05-11 19:04:44
222.   rabid stan
Wow. Ugly.
2006-05-11 19:05:01
223.   randym77
2006-05-11 19:06:11
224.   Simone
2006-05-11 19:06:14
225.   BklynBmr
Giambi would have made the swipe! That's one thing he does well out there. Damn!
2006-05-11 19:06:31
226.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jete should have gotten to his feet.

I think he had time.

2006-05-11 19:06:43
227.   yankaholic
2006-05-11 19:07:54
228.   Zack
God dammit! That is why having Cairo playing first is insane, and why us not hitting is insane, and why Joe's bullpen use once again is inasane...This is gonna be another one of those games that just makes me angry
2006-05-11 19:08:56
229.   Jeteupthemiddle
211There is no reason for him to have "corner outfield power." He just needs to hold his own over the time table. I imagine that the Yankees are gonna trade for an outfielder anyway.

Damn. Cairo has to hold onto that.

2006-05-11 19:12:56
230.   rabid stan
Hold off, rain.
2006-05-11 19:13:50
231.   Jeteupthemiddle
211There is no reason for him to have "corner outfield power." He just needs to hold his own over the time table. I imagine that the Yankees are gonna trade for an outfielder anyway.

Damn. Cairo has to hold onto that.

2006-05-11 19:15:48
232.   randym77
I think Cairo did well to even catch that ball. He made the tag, the ball just was knocked out of his glove.

Giambi might have made the swipe, but I kind of doubt he'd have caught the ball in the first place.

2006-05-11 19:16:32
233.   yankaholic
2006-05-11 19:17:18
234.   yankaholic
2006-05-11 19:22:45
235.   Marcus
A-Rod only needs a base hit, he can do that.
2006-05-11 19:23:00
236.   Marcus
Wow, didn't expect that.
2006-05-11 19:23:17
237.   hensley
Damn, A-Rod had some good swings in that at bat, too. Just missed it.
2006-05-11 19:23:26
238.   randym77
Sigh. He almost had a homer there.
2006-05-11 19:23:32
239.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was the old Yankees right there.

See? That's what we can't have.

No excuse for back-to-back strikeouts with the tying run on second base!

Contact, people, contact!


2006-05-11 19:25:10
240.   weeping for brunnhilde
Maybe the reason guys strike out in spots like that is because of that "no pepper" rule that appeared back in the '80s.


Remember those signs?

They don't even need those signs anymore because no one's even heard of pepper anymore.

2006-05-11 19:25:38
241.   Zack
Have the Yankees gome back from any games this year down after the 7th? I know its a short season...Why do I have no confidence whatsoever that they can win this game?


2006-05-11 19:27:09
242.   singledd
Wrist is fractured, not broken. It's still bad. 1 month at least, I would guess.
2006-05-11 19:27:26
243.   Marcus
240 ROFL!

I never knew what those signs were talking about. I remember seeing them at Yankee Stadium, but never have I played a game of pepper in my life.

2006-05-11 19:28:08
244.   yankaholic
I guess we r gonna see Papelbon.. man this is gonnab sweet
2006-05-11 19:28:13
245.   Marcus
242 Is there a difference? I thought there were just degrees of fracture (hairline, compound, etc.).
2006-05-11 19:29:33
246.   singledd
With Melky and Kevins, and no decent OF'ers available, I prefer to see the kids play. I don't want to trade any young talent for an OF'er who might be a little better then our kids.
2006-05-11 19:31:03
247.   Oscar Azocar
240 I remember those signs behind home plate...It has been a long time since I've seen anybody play pepper

Hey, remember back in the day of the old WPIX broadcasts at night, where if they showed a close-up of a batter, you could see the reflection of the stadium lights on the helmet cause streaking in the tv shot?

2006-05-11 19:31:13
248.   yankaholic
Was just reading on that Matsui streak ended today, since he didnt complete that play.. i was thinking it ends tomorrow..
2006-05-11 19:31:15
249.   BklynBmr
Go Bubba! OK, baby — it's winnin' time! Let's plate 2, Yanks.
2006-05-11 19:31:38
250.   wsporter
A fracture is a break, a break is a fracture.
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2006-05-11 19:33:07
251.   singledd
Broken is bone broken in two. Fracture in a crack in the bone, but the bone is still in one piece (I think). I'm not sure waht the surgury does, except maybe try to 'close' the fracture a bit.

Wrist injuries are death for a batter. Guys have played with fractures in fingers and other places. Painful, but they can still play. However, in batting the wrists do all the work, so this is a bad injury. Shefs turned out to be worse then initially thought.

It's bad new for everyone except Melky.

2006-05-11 19:33:50
252.   weeping for brunnhilde
243 Heh, Marcus. I don't recall playing it in little league (back in the eighties) but I do remember (at least) learning about it on that weekly baseball show where major league guest stars appeared to teach you the fundamentals. Tommy Lasorda was the Baseball Wizard and wore this turban get-up thing.

They just don't teach the fundamentals anymore and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

Why can't some rookie (Melkie, in this case) be trusted to lay down a textbook bunt when called upon? It's really not that hard to do, it just takes practice and attention.

I mean, if some small thing can be the difference between winning and losing, why not make sure everyone can do it?

2006-05-11 19:35:16
253.   singledd
2006-05-11 19:35:21
254.   randym77
Bernie baby!!
2006-05-11 19:35:33
255.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, Bernie!

I don't believe my eyes!

From the left side.

Ok, now, he must score.


2006-05-11 19:35:56
256.   hensley
Bernie, Atoning for his gaffe. I didn't see that coming from the left side.
2006-05-11 19:36:09
257.   wsporter
GOB = Good old Bernie.

No Bunt Here (in this situation) - That's for you Cliff

2006-05-11 19:36:15
258.   Marcus
2006-05-11 19:37:25
259.   Zack
Unacceptable at bat by Jorge, simply revolting
2006-05-11 19:37:52
260.   fgasparini
Believe I read that a leadoff double scores 72% of the time...hope the odds are indeed on our side.
2006-05-11 19:37:56
261.   wsporter
Yes, our old friend the non productive out.
2006-05-11 19:38:53
262.   mikeplugh

Good Old Jorgie with a non-productive out.

2006-05-11 19:40:19
263.   randym77
Give him a break. Jorgie's had a pretty good night. Behind the plate and at it.
2006-05-11 19:40:36
264.   wsporter
251 Single, a common misconception, a break and a fracture are the same thing. A fracture is any break not simply a hairline break.
2006-05-11 19:40:55
265.   hensley
Cano looked bad in that at bat.
2006-05-11 19:40:58
266.   yankaholic
we could use a wild pitch here
2006-05-11 19:41:06
267.   fgasparini
Oh no. Cairo. Ohno.
2006-05-11 19:41:24
268.   mikeplugh
Jorgie gets a break...but it had to be said at least.
2006-05-11 19:41:48
269.   randym77
Cairo against Papelbon. Double oh no.
2006-05-11 19:42:15
270.   mikeplugh
If he had moved the runner, the groundout scores the tying run, right?
2006-05-11 19:42:20
271.   weeping for brunnhilde
246 singledd, agreed.
2006-05-11 19:43:52
272.   fgasparini
Why not let Melky PH? I bet the kid can hit a fastball.
2006-05-11 19:44:50
273.   BklynBmr
See where the OFs are positioned? I hope Miggy drives one!
2006-05-11 19:45:19
274.   weeping for brunnhilde
Why's the Stadium so quiet?

Shouldn't people be making some noise?

Try to rattle Pappelbaun?

2006-05-11 19:45:44
275.   Marcus
Well, you see Miguel has on OPS of .296 against RHP this year, so with his energy his luck is bound to change.
2006-05-11 19:46:22
276.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good at-bat for Cairo.
2006-05-11 19:46:26
277.   fgasparini
275 Marcus, you should write a book. Or become Torre's bench coach.
2006-05-11 19:47:37
278.   weeping for brunnhilde
That high fastball was a tough pitch he fought off.

Nice job, Miguel.

2006-05-11 19:47:59
279.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck. After all that.
2006-05-11 19:48:20
280.   wsporter
270 That's why that non productive out is death. You have to trust Jorge to be able to drive the ball to the right side in that spot. Jorge did not pick a great pitch to drive or at least he was late on the one he chose.
2006-05-11 19:48:31
281.   Zack
so sad that Cairo is the best we can do...he has 4ks, does that mean he will be relegated to Andy Phillips land?
2006-05-11 19:48:44
282.   hensley
4 Ks for Cairo. Shouldn't he get the Phillips treatment from Joe?

Damn...Phillips coulda roped one.

2006-05-11 19:49:14
283.   Marcus
That's 4 Ks thus far for Cairo. Maybe the Yanks will bat around somehow in the bottom of the 9th and get him a chance for another.
2006-05-11 19:49:42
284.   Zack
Another totally infuriating baseball game courtesy of our New York Yankees
2006-05-11 19:50:23
285.   rsmith51
281 I hope Andy plays more.
2006-05-11 19:50:27
286.   mikeplugh
Look at how weak the bottom of our order is.....
2006-05-11 19:52:44
287.   Marcus
Bernie botched that Alex Gonzalez GR double, but he tried his best with that gapper. I don't know who to blame, there's got to be someone to blame!!!
2006-05-11 19:53:35
288.   Simone
There is no one to blame. This game had bad karma written all over it from the first inning.
2006-05-11 19:54:41
289.   Marcus
288 You're absolutely right. By all rights this should have been a blow out, given the way Chacon pitched.
2006-05-11 19:54:54
290.   weeping for brunnhilde
Like that swing Womack had in game 7.


2006-05-11 19:56:21
291.   rsmith51
290 My thoughts exactly. I think that was a hanging cutter.
2006-05-11 19:56:34
292.   singledd
264 Good call.
"Simple fractures are fractures that occur along one line, splitting the bone into two pieces, while multi-fragmentary fractures involve the bone splitting into multiple pieces. A simple, closed fracture is much easier to treat and has a much better prognosis than an open, comminuted fracture. Other considerations in fracture care are displacement (fracture gap) and angulation. If angulation or displacement is large, reduction (manipulation) of the bone may be required and, in adults, frequently requires surgical care. These injuries may take longer to heal than injuries without displacement or angulation."
2006-05-11 19:58:57
293.   weeping for brunnhilde
291 I'm so glad you know what I'm talking about. I wrote that and then realized perhaps people could have benefitted from a tad [FUCK] more context.
2006-05-11 19:58:58
294.   randym77
This sucks.
2006-05-11 19:59:12
295.   Marcus
Coulda done without that.
2006-05-11 19:59:29
296.   Simone
See, told you, Youklis hitting Marano, bad karma all the way around.
2006-05-11 19:59:40
297.   joejoejoe
This game is like eating a lemon.
2006-05-11 19:59:43
298.   Knuckles
figured out what papelbon looks like. a cabbage patch kid. an evil little cabbage patch kid.
2006-05-11 20:00:23
299.   Marcus
2006-05-11 20:01:09
300.   fgasparini
Er...Willie Harris?????
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2006-05-11 20:03:09
301.   weeping for brunnhilde
298 lol, knuckles.


2006-05-11 20:03:17
302.   wsporter
292 I didn't mean to seem so pedantic Single, I had a funny feeling you were out there doing some delving. Wrist Fractures (breaks) are nasty things and can be difficult to heal correctly. All sorts of range of motion, flexibility and strength issues involved. The healing process can flat out suck. This was not a good way to start a Thursday evening.
2006-05-11 20:03:45
303.   randym77
298 ROFL! You know, I do see the resemblance.

Though I don't think I'd call 6'-4" and 200+ pounds "little."

2006-05-11 20:04:09
304.   rsmith51
If you have seen the show Sliders, Papelbon looks like a Kromag.
2006-05-11 20:04:31
305.   weeping for brunnhilde
If Giambi and Arod had managed to put the ball in play back then, who knows?

Enough to make you want to scratch your eyes out.

2006-05-11 20:04:41
306.   Knuckles
he has no nose.
2006-05-11 20:04:49
307.   Marcus
Damon: 0 for Red Sox
2006-05-11 20:04:56
308.   wsporter
I really hate this game tonight on a lot of levels. Common Jetes give us a chance.
2006-05-11 20:06:30
309.   rsmith51
Now he calls the low strike...
2006-05-11 20:06:46
310.   Marcus
I'd like to see this Papelbatch Kid get rocked.
2006-05-11 20:06:59
311.   Knuckles
i solemnly rename him jonathan cabbage patchelbon
2006-05-11 20:07:31
312.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, then, here we go.
2006-05-11 20:08:28
313.   Simone
Screw this game. It sucked.
2006-05-11 20:08:28
314.   weeping for brunnhilde
That game was decidedly ungood.
2006-05-11 20:09:08
315.   randym77
Giambi did not have a good night.
2006-05-11 20:09:54
316.   wsporter
Liza not Sinatra. Ah crap.
2006-05-11 20:11:04
317.   singledd
Funny. ARod makes an error that leads to a few runs, and 10 people here trash him badly. Here, both Bernie and Jetes cost us the game, and not a peep.
2006-05-11 20:14:07
318.   Simone
Guess, the 10 people just like Jeter and Bernie more than A-Rod.
2006-05-11 20:15:30
319.   wsporter
317 Holkd on now single, fraudulant fractures are one thing but how does Jetes cost us the game? On the ball Cairo didn't catch? Say you don't mean that. Please.
2006-05-11 20:16:08
320.   randym77
Eh. Both Bernie and Jeter did pretty well tonight, IMO. Bernie being graded on a curve, of course.

Good enough that I fear we'll be seeing a lot more of Bernie in the weeks to come.

2006-05-11 20:16:38
321.   Zack
I wish I had my 4 hours back tonight, what a waste
2006-05-11 20:19:54
322.   JohnnyC
Just wanted to remind everyone that Sturtze leads the team in appearances (17)and innings pitched by a reliever. I think Sturtze will be given a chance to "stretch" himself out by replacing RJ in the rotation while he gets his knee re-lubed. 'Cos God knows we'll never win another WS until he gets straightened out and returns to his HOF form.
2006-05-11 20:22:14
323.   wsporter
322Oh My, JohnnyC, Thats harsh, very harsh.
2006-05-11 20:25:24
324.   yankz
I have this terrifying feeling that this means we won't be seeing Melky much. Joe won't want to play him in left since he hasn't played there, so he'll plug Bubba in left. But you KNOW he won't start both Bubba and Melky, so Bernie goes to right.

I just realized this makes no sense because of the DH. Whoops.

2006-05-11 20:26:14
325.   JohnnyC
But it's true. He was brought in to face Manny tonight to "boost his confidence" because, even though its the Red Sox in a 1-run game, it's really important to stroke Tanyon's ego...he's the key to our season.
2006-05-11 20:28:47
326.   JohnnyC
324 You're forgetting Cairo. He has to play! Has to. And preferably in a position that he's least competent at. Which begs the question: what kind of slider do you think he can throw?
2006-05-11 20:37:40
327.   C2Coke
The loss is bad, but I really don't feel good after reading the report on Matsui. Having both Sheff and Matsui off the field at the same time for more than a few days is scary. It's nice to give the new, young, and the minor league ones some chances, however, when there are nearly half of them on the field...I don't know...might as well let Cairo try throwing a slider??
2006-05-11 20:37:45
328.   randym77
They said Sheff will be out another 1-1/2 to two weeks, Matsui "a lot longer than that."

Until the Damon deal, they were seriously considering using Bubba as the starting CFer. I'd be happy to see him get a chance at LF or RF.

He was a power hitter in college (still holds all kinds of slugging records at Rice, I believe), and had some great runs in the minors. I know it's different in the Bigs, but I think he could be passable. They're working with him on his mechanics.

Bubba in LF, Melky in RF.

2006-05-11 20:41:24
329.   C2Coke
328 But don't we all know that we are more likely to see Bernie in RF?

Hey...How about Phillips in the OF like someone here mentioned before? It can't be worse than Bernie everyday...

2006-05-11 20:43:44
330.   randym77
Joe says Hideki will be out three months.
2006-05-11 20:48:38
331.   randym77
329 Well, Joe just said Melky will play RF.
2006-05-11 20:56:03
332.   randym77
Kevin Reese is being called up.
2006-05-11 20:57:14
333.   yankz
Three months...this is all a bad dream...I'll wake up and we'll still be in first place.
2006-05-11 21:03:22
334.   C2Coke
330 Thanks. Hopefully we will see Sheff within two weeks. We still need his offensive power.
2006-05-11 21:05:54
335.   randym77
I wonder why Reese, and not Thompson? They said it was going to be Melky or Thompson last time, so I assumed they would pick Thompson this time.
2006-05-11 23:12:52
336.   brockdc
"I wonder why Reese, and not Thompson?"

Because that's what name Torre drew when he and Lee were drawing names out of Mazilli's empty box of Just For Men, post-game. Torre figures it works for picking guys to come out of the bullpen, so what the hell.

2006-05-11 23:32:10
337.   Zack
The reason for Reese, I believe, is that Reese will take over as a bench player. I guess they figure if they are going to call up Thompson, it should be for everyday duty...That's what the Times article hints at
2006-05-11 23:54:02
338.   brockdc
My question is, why wouldn't they want to bring up Thompson and use him in lieu of Crosby? I guess I'm just hoping Torre might want to put his best players on the field every now and again.
2006-05-12 00:18:21
339.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Ok, just finished watching the tivo of that game. Several pts:

(1) Cairo shoudln't be on this team. But if he is on the team, he never ever never ever never ever should be playing first base. End of story. That's a routine play for even a bad 1st baseman like Giambi. Philips makes that no problem.

(2) Bernie cannot be in the field. Frankly, he shouldn't even be allowed to do more than pitch hit, but if he's gonna play, it has to be dh, not outfield.

(3) What about Brett Gardner? I know he's only in high single a, but he's advanced age wise, had a very good college career, is mashing the ball, is patient, and can field. Send him up to Columbus, skipping Trenton, to replace Melky/Reese and see what he can do. It seems he has a better chance of being an ML starter than either of the Kevins, and maybe has more of an upside than Melky. Matsui being out could be his opportunity.

2006-05-12 00:54:26
340.   Stormer Sports
Wow wow wow! It's one game.

Easy guys. First of all, Giambi was 0-5 and looked as lost as Cairo, should he be off the team too? It was Wakefield, lighten up.

Paul O'Neill admitted it took him half a season to figure out those fly balls in the wind in that corner. Take it the fuck easy on Bernie. If anyone thinks Andy Phillips would do a better job in right with no experience, then you are a reacationary moron.

Of the two "Kevins," one is 28-29 and the other is young and has potential, he's not So Tagughi, that is why he is being brought up. If you're 29 years old playing AAA or A, you're done man, get over it already.

Before you blame Bernie ior Jeter, relax, Jete's ball was ruled a base hit for Chrit's sake! And further, both of them got in scoring position late, what winners do, the bottom of the order choked, and so did the top! They did their part, the rest of the team has no idea how to come back. We win early or we lose early, this team doesn't come back. Pitching to Arod is as easy as pie in close situations. Just as easy as it is with any other hitter who is too boneheaded not to take the ball where it is pitched. You cant pull an outside fastball, but Arod sure will keep trying! Curve, outside foul tip, high fast ball, Arod goes down, very simple. It's the pitchers with too much testosterone who give in and give him a pitch to hit. The smart ones get him out every time in that situation.

What's wrong with Bubba? All he does is make great defensive plays and hit the ball when he's in the starting lineup.

Blame Sheffield before you blame Bernie, if we picked up his option, he'd have been out there tonight. I live in LA and we are just beginning to see how testy he gets when he gets "disrespected," the new synonym for selfishness.

This team will be fine, once they actually begin hitting the ball with 2 out and runners in scoring position. RBI in games when we're ahead by 6 don't mean shit! Stats are stats, but winning is winning, and that's all that matters.

2006-05-12 04:06:08
341.   randym77
337 Thanks, that makes sense. It sounds like they are planning to play the hand they got, rather than go headhunting. I can live with Melky, Bubba, and Bernie in the corners.

339 That didn't look like a routine play to me. It was great that Jeter even got to the ball, and pretty good that Cairo caught it, if only temporarily. I don't think Giambi would have gotten it, and if he did, he'd probably have thrown his back out reaching for it that way. :-P

I would rather see one of the kids in the OF, instead of Bernie, but all things considered, he did okay last night. The one he missed was pretty tough. It went out over the stands and blew back in. I don't think Melky would have gotten that one, either. (And then the poor kid would have been tagged with "can't catch fly balls" forever.)

340 I'm really warming to Bubba. Bobby Murcer has been waving the Bubba flag since before spring training at least, and put in plugs for him last night both before and after the game. He thinks Bubba can be an offensive threat. Says he has all the tools, his problem is mechanics. Which Mattingly is fixing.

I'm really bummed Hideki was hurt. He's one of my favorites. But it's not the end of the world. We'll have a younger and speedier team, if not quite as powerful. And hopefully, Sheff will be back soon, and Hideki will be back before the end of the season.

2006-05-12 04:09:29
342.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Hold on a sec... let's look at some stats ok?

Matsui before he gone down was .261/.353/.461 playing everyday

Bernie is.. .264/.303/.330 and mostly been starting..

Bubba is .259/.355/.370 and mostly getting rare starts or one at bat every couple of games...

What is Bubba's problem again ? .355 OBP is NOT a auto out.. he's been hitting the ball pretty darn well to all fields when he does start... he can run and he can definately defend...

Why are we so down on him again?? for all we know if he can get consistent starts he might be brining that number up close to .280 BA and maybe .380 OBP.. that's pretty damn good for the last guy in the batting order.. watching his swing I also cna't see the problem, he swings fast and don't go after bad pitches that often.. he hits to all field and out legg a lot of things.

The only thing he DOESN't have is slugging, and that's perfectly fine when ur the last guy up and when u can rob hits every day out there...

He's not Matsui, but he should be more than servicable replacement.

And if Melky can hit Beckett and Schilling, I can't see why he shouldn't be the starter everyday out there.. Bernie has been looking better at the plate but he's never looked worse out there in the field, he can be a ok DH in the back end right now but there's no way you start him in the field when you have 3 sets of young legs as the alternative...

2006-05-12 04:34:08
343.   randym77
Bubba's not an auto-out, but Murcer thinks he could be a slugger, too. Or least a more powerful hitter than he is. He's got the quickness and the strength. He says we haven't seen Bubba's full potential yet.

I forget exactly what they were trying to fix in his swing. Trying to flatten it, or something like that. And they said Mattingly was making him hit balls off tees further away than usual, to make him reach out more.

2006-05-12 06:18:51
344.   jayd
Sign me up as a big Bubba fan. Defense is superb and regular play will produce another hot streak like last year.

There is no downplaying the loss of Matsui -- the guy has been a huge clutch hitter, particularly against the Sox in Fenway. That is the sort of stuff that neither Melky nor Bubba can replace.

I don't understand the anti-Cairo sentiments. I'm so happy the Yanks did not go with the Frank Thomas/Ruben Sierra power hitter type. I'd rather have a contact hitter like Cairo up.

Cairo's issue last night was a lack of physical height not fielding ability. He made that play. And if you think about it, IF he made that play what a gut wrenching end of inning for the Sox and their fans -- it's not that time of year yet. Remember, Red Sox Baseball -- it's all about getting to game 7 and losing.

They're coming back to Boston where the Rangers are going to beat up on them. It's Clement Time: oh my darlin' oh my darlin, oh my daaaahlin Clement Time. We are lost and gone forever, dreadful sorry, Clement Time

2006-05-12 08:19:07
345.   weeping for brunnhilde
340 Hear, hear, Stormer, I agree with just about everything you write, especially the Arod characterization. That's exactly the point.

He will keep trying, won't he? These hitters just seem incapable, constitutionally incapbale from altering their approach to suit the situation, and yet they're great hitters.

But having your two big guys strike out consecutively with the tying run on second base is nothing but unacceptable horseshit.

Can't anybody here play this game?

2006-05-12 11:02:09
346.   dpmurphy
jayd: "And if you think about it, IF he made that play what a gut wrenching end of inning for the Sox and their fans -- it's not that time of year yet. Remember, Red Sox Baseball -- it's all about getting to game 7 and losing."

Wow, every team has it's share of bizarro fans.

2006-05-12 23:21:48
347.   jayd
346 The comment actually originates with Denis Leary. Hardly "bizarro". Wow.

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