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2006-05-04 13:51
by Cliff Corcoran

With Joe Torre having finally figured out that he needs to go to his big guns in tie games on the road, the Yankees are set up for a quick two-game sweep of the Devil Rays with Randy Johnson taking on Doug Waechter tonight. The only question is which Unit will show up tonight, the one that has done this in two games against the Blue Jays:

8 1/3 IP, 15 H, 13 R, 2 HR, 6 BB, 4 K

Or the one that has done this in four starts against everyone else:

28 IP, 19 H, 6 R, 2 HR, 1 BB, 21 K

I know one thing for sure. He's happy that Eduardo Perez has moved to the central division.

For his part, Waechter has made just four starts thus far, failing to make it through four innings in two of them. Does anyone still remember when a 22-year-old Waechter shut out the last good Mariners team in his first major league start in 2003, pitched five solid innings to beat the Yankees in Tampa two starts later, and then lost a tough 2-1 game in the Bronx in his next turn? He seemed like the next big thing back then, the Tampa rotation's answer to Aubrey Huff, who had what remains his best season that year. Waechter's still just 25, but that exciting start seems like a lifetime ago. I still root for him to make good, but it seems increasingly unlikely. Here's hoping if he ever does break through he won't start tonight.

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2006-05-04 14:56:52
1.   randym77
Is it Bernie or Bubba tonight? Both! Damon is DHing, Bubba's in center, Bernie's in right.

Johnny Damon DH
Derek Jeter SS
Jason Giambi 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui LF
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Bernie Williams RF
Bubba Crosby CF

2006-05-04 15:23:12
2.   Start Spreading the News
At least we don't have Stinnett catching as well.
2006-05-04 15:42:13
3.   rilkefan
At the Pinstriped Blog, Goldman posted Cano's VORP ranking among 2b - surprisingly to me he's at 13th in the leagues. Esp. given his age that's not bad, but I would have thought he'd be a bit higher.
2006-05-04 15:46:06
4.   Zack
So it seems that the Andy Phillips "experiment" is all but over, with, predictably, Joe determining that he must return Andy to his exilement. He's gotten just 8 ABs since April 26th, half of them coming in one game (where he did hit the game tying HR). Bernie in that span has had 20 ABs, not including tonight. At this point, can we please just trade Andy for a bag of balls to the Royals, who might actually play him, and call up another "kid" who Cashman can try and force Joe to play.

I refuse to accept that we can gleam anything from a total of 28 ABs over the course of 1+ month (notice how Bernie will have had almost that many after tonight in a week!), but if Joe and many people on this board insist on using that to determine that Andy is terrible, can't hit, is obviously flawed since it took him this long etc, and are willing to give up on him, lets at least do it in order that one of the many many better options than Bernie can take over, and Andy can get a fresh "start" elsewhere.

Not to beat a dead horse...

2006-05-04 15:50:54
5.   Cliff Corcoran
The three pitchers the Yanks will see in Texas are all righties, too. I hope Andy brought a good book to the ballpark. In fact, Alex's Stepping Up seems oddly appropriate, don't it? Poor Andy, he'll be in his mid-30s before he's eligible for free agency.
2006-05-04 16:04:41
6.   unmoderated
the trop looks so depressing on tv.
i get the same melancholy feeling every time.
2006-05-04 16:05:29
7.   Shawn Clap
Bernie is a .372 hitter at Tropicana (77 for 207) and coming off a 3 hit night. Who do recommend replacing him with?
2006-05-04 16:06:15
8.   Jeteupthemiddle
on a side note, Hughes is making his AA debut tonight.
2006-05-04 16:08:37
9.   tocho
DAMN, again these two idiots from FSN!!!
2006-05-04 16:09:48
10.   rilkefan
"Bernie is a .372 hitter at Tropicana"

What's Edgar Martinez's average at Tropicana?

2006-05-04 16:12:28
11.   unmoderated
i cant believe bernie is this old.
i have his autograph when he played for the then oneonta yankees in 19... 86? 87?

i was about nine or so.

2006-05-04 16:13:20
12.   randym77
I got no problem with Bernie playing tonight, after what he did last night. In fact, I feel bad for whining that Bubba should have had his spot.
2006-05-04 16:18:48
13.   rilkefan
There's a link to the Hughes game audio at yankeefan.blogspot.com
2006-05-04 16:21:44
14.   Cliff Corcoran
That was a rulebook strike call on Giambi. That's never called and it might have even been high for the rulebook.
2006-05-04 16:23:26
15.   unmoderated
ugh.
2006-05-04 16:23:57
16.   Cliff Corcoran
Poor Giambi. The guy just can't throw. Fifth batter of the game is up and he's had a bad day already.
2006-05-04 16:25:13
17.   Cliff Corcoran
Gomes killed Randy last year. He's the one guy in this lineup he should pitch around.
2006-05-04 16:25:44
18.   randym77
Arrghhh. Giambi's in no danger of winning a Gold Glove any time soon.
2006-05-04 16:25:45
19.   Zack
The point is not that Bernie shouldn't be starting tonight, but rather, that anyone claiming that they have seen enough of Andy to prove he doesn't belong is fooling themselves, and reinforces Torre's extreme proclivity for avoiding "kids."

And besides, just because Bernie had three hits yesterday doesn't mean he still doesn't suck. If we spend all season saying that Bernie earned his starts due to a twice a month multi-hit game, then we will do just that, spend all season suffering through Bernie. It goes back to the "we know what Bernie will give us, but MAYBE Andy/someone else can give us more, given a legit chance." I, for one, would take the latter given what we know Bernie will give...

2006-05-04 16:26:17
20.   Zack
Well, looks like we might be getting Bizzaro Randy today...
2006-05-04 16:27:02
21.   Cliff Corcoran
Nice. Seems the Yankees are always on the wrong end of those K-CS DPs. Nice to see it go the other way.
2006-05-04 16:27:16
22.   Zack
Well that shuts me up nicely :)
2006-05-04 16:29:16
23.   Zack
Anyone see the article, I think on si.com, about how Varitek and Nixon are noticibly slimmer this year, and how that cannot but carry certain connotations, especially when Tek struggles so much to start the season (course, he is a 30+ catcher)?
2006-05-04 16:30:23
24.   randym77
Godzilla's back.
2006-05-04 16:30:28
25.   unmoderated
looks like his swing is fixed.
2006-05-04 16:31:14
26.   Zack
Nice line drive again by Matsui, always a good sign!
2006-05-04 16:32:03
27.   Zack
Boston all over Towers at the Fens, 5-0 in the first...He stinks...
2006-05-04 16:36:58
28.   randym77
Why does it matter what people on this board think? It's not like we hold Andy Phillips' fate in our hands.

FWIW, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Andy. I'd just rather see Posada in the 7th innning, with men on, and the game on the line.

As for Bernie...the Trop is good to him. That's all I meant. Doesn't mean I want to see him out there every night.

2006-05-04 16:37:36
29.   tocho
I don't like this Randy.
2006-05-04 16:38:48
30.   tocho
27 when Loretta, Varitek (no-roids) and Lowell double off you, you have serious issues
2006-05-04 16:41:33
31.   Zack
Well of course it doesn't matter what we think, but then, what's the point of all of this?

On another note, here's the log of Hughes so far, if anyone cares:

* Michael Bourn singles on a ground ball to shortstop JT Stotts.
* With Carlos Leon batting, Michael Bourn steals (12) 2nd base.
* Carlos Leon singles on a ground ball to pitcher Philip Hughes.
* John Castellano grounds into a force out, shortstop JT Stotts to second baseman Gabe Lopez. Michael Bourn to 3rd. Carlos Leon out at 2nd. John Castellano to 1st.
* With Jim Rushford batting, wild pitch by Philip Hughes, Michael Bourn scores. John Castellano to 2nd.
* Jim Rushford flies out to right fielder Bronson Sardinha.
* Jason Jaramillo walks.
* Peter Bergeron strikes out swinging.

Reading Top 2nd

* Jesus Merchan reaches on fielding error by shortstop JT Stotts.
* Bryan Hansen strikes out swinging.
* Tim Moss grounds into double play, second baseman Gabe Lopez to first baseman Shelley Duncan. Jesus Merchan out at 2nd.

2006-05-04 16:43:42
32.   Jeteupthemiddle
Wow was that a High Strike.
2006-05-04 16:45:17
33.   randym77
Looked high to me, too. Damon was not happy.
2006-05-04 16:45:46
34.   jayd
Was it my imagination or did Randy smile as he came off the mound last inning? I don't think I've ever seen a "relaxed" Randy Johnson.
2006-05-04 16:48:43
35.   randym77
34 He was smiling. The YES announcers were all wondering what was going on.
2006-05-04 16:49:29
36.   Cliff Corcoran
I can't wait until Rocco Baldelli comes back and everyone realizes he's not good.
2006-05-04 16:51:04
37.   Cliff Corcoran
By the way, belated reaction to Bernie and Bubba. Big ups to Joe for putting Bubba in center and Bernie in right. Last year it would have been the other way around. At least the best defender is in center.
2006-05-04 16:51:14
38.   nyctarheel87
randy isn't smiling now
2006-05-04 16:51:19
39.   Jeteupthemiddle
Ha. Leiter is mocking Kay.
2006-05-04 16:51:33
40.   Zack
Ugh...

I am still trying to find answers as to why mlb.tv won't give us the YES feed, the best I have gotten was the YES video with radio audio, which isn't really a good thing...I am sick sick sick of the other team's announcers!

2006-05-04 16:53:22
41.   Cliff Corcoran
Sen. Al just barked at Kay. Paraphrasing Michael . . .

MK: I don't understand why, if Crawford missed so badly on that slider low and away, he didn't bounce that next pitch.

AL: BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ROBOTS!

MK: Well, Randy's been having those location problems all day.

AL: Yes, that's why you give up runs and hits.

2006-05-04 16:54:15
42.   Cliff Corcoran
Pitched around Gomes. Good job.
2006-05-04 16:54:30
43.   yankz
What is it about these damn D-Rays? And that 1st inning looked rough for Hughes, but judging by the 2nd inning, it was probably just jitters.
2006-05-04 16:54:36
44.   Zack
And Hughes' next inning:
* Michael Bourn singles on a ground ball to right fielder Bronson Sardinha.
* Carlos Leon strikes out swinging.
* John Castellano singles on a line drive to right fielder Bronson Sardinha. Michael Bourn to 3rd.
* Jim Rushford flies into sacrifice double play, center fielder Justin Christian to first baseman Shelley Duncan to second baseman Gabe Lopez. Michael Bourn scores. John Castellano out at 2nd.
2006-05-04 16:56:08
45.   Cliff Corcoran
RJ's got the flat slider today, it's not diving down.
2006-05-04 16:56:16
46.   Zack
I don't get Randy, I really just don't get him...
2006-05-04 16:57:18
47.   Jeteupthemiddle
43 I'm listening to the radio broadcast, it sounded to me like he wasn't really getting hit hard....both hits were infield singles. He did strike out a batter in each inning.

If anyone knows more about him, the announcers said something about Hughes throws a fastball, curve and change up..with a very occassional slider. That is only because the Yankees didn't allow him to throw the slider yet correct?

2006-05-04 16:57:23
48.   tocho
flat sliders!! get your fat sliders here!!! flat sliders!!
2006-05-04 16:57:33
49.   Cliff Corcoran
He's old, he's got bad knees and a bad back. He's still one of the top pitchers in the league, but those DBack days are behind him. Deal with it.
2006-05-04 16:58:21
50.   Cliff Corcoran
47 I thought this year he was free to throw the slider.
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2006-05-04 16:58:34
51.   C2Coke
41 That just shows we are not the only ones who are getting sick...ok let me be nicer...tired of Kay. Then, again, the other annoucers that MLB.TV has been feeding us are only 100x worse.
2006-05-04 16:59:45
52.   Stormer Sports
Al Leiter just put it Best. "He's 42, this IS who he is."

That is what is up with Randy Johnson. Maybe this will cut off the money tap on 35+ players.

2006-05-04 17:00:06
53.   randym77
Seems like Randy just doesn't do well against the D-Rays.
2006-05-04 17:00:21
54.   Jeteupthemiddle
50 Yeah, that's what I thought too. I guess that's why I was a bit confused when the announcer said it. The way people have been talking, it was his best pitch.
2006-05-04 17:00:44
55.   Bill
His Dbacks days may be behind him but not his Dback salary. Only 30 million left to pay him.
2006-05-04 17:01:54
56.   tocho
40 I can understand (but not like) announcers that are partial to their team, and are even cocky, but to praise the Rays players over and over again is just unbearable for any baseball fan.

how can they get away with sooooo much crap about how Winnington is a winner and Perez is a great hitter and an overall superb glove and talk about Rays' pitching as one of the best in the league. Its just sickening to anybody in their right mind.

MUTE!!!

2006-05-04 17:04:40
57.   tocho
BTW, great 6 pitch inning there by our 2,3 and 4th hitters!!!
2006-05-04 17:04:55
58.   Zack
49 It's not so much all of that which I don't get, but his inconsistancy in-game at times. He will breeze through a batter or two, then struggle for a bit, then breeze again etc. part of that is normal, but Is that all arm angle stuff?

He has historically gotten better as the season goes on, and in no way am I worried about him or down on him, its more, like I said, that I just don't get him...

2006-05-04 17:07:11
59.   tocho
Put the mask on. Just put your f.... mask on!! -- Torre, May 4, 2006
2006-05-04 17:07:18
60.   Stormer Sports
Anyone know the ETA on Pavano?
2006-05-04 17:10:25
61.   Jeteupthemiddle
60 He is scheduled for a rehab start on Sunday, and the Yankees have 30 days from there to call him up...so 30 days?
2006-05-04 17:10:52
62.   yankz
The DRays even put out the Jeter fire.
2006-05-04 17:11:55
63.   Zack
That is, of course, barring any more bruised rears...Maybe we should put carl in one of those sumo suits you see at carnivals...
2006-05-04 17:12:20
64.   Stormer Sports
Sure would be nice to grab up Clemens. It looks like the Astros are willing to give him 20 Mil. w/incentives. He won't get that from the Yanks or the Sox. I'd rather see him in the NL than in beantown.
2006-05-04 17:14:46
65.   Jeteupthemiddle
The Astros are willing to give him 20 million for half a season of work?

Then why didn't they offer him arbitration during the offseason?

2006-05-04 17:17:45
66.   Marcus
On the bright side Johnson is putting up a very un-Wright-like pitch count of 36 strikes to 19 balls.
2006-05-04 17:18:25
67.   vockins
64Good God.
2006-05-04 17:21:42
68.   randym77
Waechter is struggling. Dunno if he's tired, or if Jorge's almost-home run shook his confidence or what.
2006-05-04 17:21:45
69.   BklynBmr
Bernie!!!
2006-05-04 17:21:51
70.   jayd
Bernie!Bernie!Bernie!
2006-05-04 17:21:53
71.   Cliff Corcoran
Check out the warning track power on Bernie!
2006-05-04 17:21:59
72.   hensley
Take that, Steven Goldman!
2006-05-04 17:22:25
73.   Cliff Corcoran
Still a single though. Huh. Still just two XBH for Bernie since 9/7/05.
2006-05-04 17:25:28
74.   Bill
LOL, Cliff. Still it will keep him in the lineup for at least another month. Good for my HackingMass lineup, bad for the Yanks.
2006-05-04 17:25:30
75.   jayd
I'd rather have Dontrelle than Roger.
2006-05-04 17:25:57
76.   Stormer Sports
65 Jeterupthemiddle

Why would he take arbitration when he could retire, come back, and make the same amount of money for less than 1 year of work?

Well, nearly 1/2. The report is that the Astros will pay 18 mil. pro-rated plus incentives that could be worth more than 20 mil. That would mean the other suitors would have to offer near 15 mil. to snatch him from that cushy no travel deal he had with Houston. It aint going to happen. George won't give him that kind of money and neither will Boston. It's not 1997, the 15+ mil. days are gone, well, unless you're RJ of course. But that will be the end of that for George.

The only team I see making that kind of push is oddly, the New York Mets.

2006-05-04 17:26:43
77.   Knuckles
Has anyone ever read the blog FireJoeMorgan?
firejoemorgan.blogspot.com

The guy cuts and pastes ESPN chats of Joe Morgan and interjects his commentary into it as well. They've had me rolling the past few days.

2 pitchouts? C'mon...

2006-05-04 17:28:28
78.   JeremyM
I think they should pitch out again, he's going.
2006-05-04 17:28:29
79.   Jeteupthemiddle
Does Tampa really believe that Bernie is a steal threat?
2006-05-04 17:28:43
80.   Stormer Sports
Jeterupthemiddle,

Obviously Houston ownership's accontants reported to those morons how much $$ he made for that club last year. Hence the offer.

2006-05-04 17:30:43
81.   Jeteupthemiddle
I only question it because I thought they didn't offer him arbitration because of money.

But now that I look back at it, maybe it was because they didn't want to wait for him to make a decision before moving foward with their offseason plans?

2006-05-04 17:30:57
82.   Stormer Sports
Although I still say Clemens owes NY for the lovefest we threw for him when clearly he had no intent, or very insignificant intent, to retire at that time. I just don't buy it, and I didn't by it then.
2006-05-04 17:31:50
83.   Stormer Sports
Houston's only offseason plans were to pray to God for more runs.
2006-05-04 17:34:45
84.   Stormer Sports
Although I still say he goes NL. That league is so weak, a Mets team with Clemens will make Larussa swallow that stupid overmanaging, self indulgent, inflated ego of his.
2006-05-04 17:35:03
85.   yankz
C'mon, Jeet...down to .367. My fantasy team is suffering!
2006-05-04 17:36:19
86.   Jeteupthemiddle
So I'm listening to the Trenton Thunder feed, and I gotta say...these guys should be the Yankee radio announcers.
2006-05-04 17:38:00
87.   Stormer Sports
Melky at DH, no pressure to play the field. Just swing away buddy. Who's with me? We need a viable DH threat. Hopefully the Andy Phillips experiment is over.
2006-05-04 17:40:12
88.   BklynBmr
Nice job, Randy. Give it right back...
2006-05-04 17:40:12
89.   rilkefan
87 - "Hopefully the Andy Phillips experiment is over."

It can't be over, not having started yet.

2006-05-04 17:40:57
90.   jayd
As soon as Leiter said that 1-2-3 inning, I had a feeling this would happen...
2006-05-04 17:41:20
91.   Bill
I'm afraid we're going to get the Tanyon Sturtze Experience this evening.
2006-05-04 17:41:37
92.   Jeteupthemiddle
I think that's 6 HRs for Johnson so far this season...that is pretty putrid.
2006-05-04 17:42:49
93.   rilkefan
Towers puts up four 0s. Not what I would have predicted after the first inning.
2006-05-04 17:42:51
94.   vockins
I want the Yankees to win like everybody else here, but that last HR cracked me up for some reason.
2006-05-04 17:44:47
95.   Stormer Sports
It's a sad day when Kyle Farnswoth's slider is light years ahead of Randy Johnson's. He needs to take some time and figure out what he needs to do, and fast. He has barely changed his approach from last year. The great pitchers adjust when the old stuff aint workin. I don't see Pedro up there blowing guys away with the heat. RJ just needs to solidify a new approach, change speeds somehow, work with someone for God's sake. He doesn't have to be a comlete bust. He cannot compete against the top tier teams in this league with the stiff he is throwing. It's that simple.

He looks like he is suffering from Kevin Brown "the ball was down" disease. "I aint changing for no one."

2006-05-04 17:46:44
96.   unpopster
um, don't look now but Randy Johnson is officially our WORST pitcher.
2006-05-04 17:46:53
97.   BklynBmr
On the Rocket: Haven't we had enough of NL pitchers coming to The Bronx and floundering ;-) I'd be shocked if he didn't stay in Houston, actually. Those old legs want no part of AL lineups and he'd be taxing our middle relief in August and September — unless of course he signs with Boston. Then he'd be 5-0 with a 2.00 ERA. Stay home, Roger, so you can keep an eye on that f'n Hummer we gave you as a retirement present.
2006-05-04 17:49:31
98.   Jeteupthemiddle
wow...i thought for sure crawford was gonna catch that.
2006-05-04 17:50:04
99.   BklynBmr
Man, it's nice to have Godzilla rejoining the lineup just when Iron Sheff is unavailable...
2006-05-04 17:51:06
100.   randym77
Hideki's on fire tonight.

96 I was just thinking how much better Wright was last night than Johnson is tonight. Who'd have guessed?

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2006-05-04 17:51:37
101.   Stormer Sports
3-0? Ugg.
2006-05-04 17:51:59
102.   Cliff Corcoran
Well, if nothing else my fantasy team is enjoying this game, I've got Matsui, Gomes and Wigginton. All I need is a dinger from Giambi to win this sucker and I win in a whole bunch of ways.
2006-05-04 17:52:06
103.   Stormer Sports
He's sending RJ back out there? Jesus Joe.
2006-05-04 17:53:10
104.   BklynBmr
Somebddy guessed wrong right there. Jorgie is not exactly schorching the ball, either...
2006-05-04 17:53:39
105.   Bill
You'd rather have Proctor or Sturtze, Storm?
2006-05-04 17:55:10
106.   Stormer Sports
105

Proctor, yes. Small, yes. If we could still have Smith up, yes!

If Johnson has proven anything this year and last, it's that when he doesn't have it, he doesn't have it!

2006-05-04 17:57:09
107.   Stormer Sports
Hey! I'm in fog, who won the Wash/CLE game?
2006-05-04 17:57:27
108.   Bill
Proctor has walked 9 in 16 innings despite his supposed improvement and has an awesomely awful HR rate. Why would you wantehim out there? I'm not being argumentative. I really want to know why anyone likes him.
2006-05-04 17:58:26
109.   jayd
Score 2 and Joe takes him out, Randy goes 5 and 2, everybody is happy.
2006-05-04 17:58:46
110.   Stormer Sports
That's a selling point, concessions.
2006-05-04 17:58:58
111.   Jeteupthemiddle
100 I said the same thing after Johnson's last start against toronto, when Wright's line was better the day before.
2006-05-04 17:59:08
112.   yankz
Good ol' Randolph Johnstone...
2006-05-04 17:59:17
113.   BklynBmr
107 Storm, inter-league started already? ;-)
2006-05-04 17:59:26
114.   Knuckles
Damn Gathright is quick. Cano hit that one on the nose.
2006-05-04 18:00:03
115.   yankz
Good ol' Randolph Johnstone...
2006-05-04 18:00:24
116.   Benjamin Kabak
64 Where did you hear that? What I heard was the Astros were willing to give Clemens his 05 salary ($18 mil) prorated to the months he would pitch for them. So about $12 mil total. No one has mentioned $20 mil for four months of work.

107 Cleveland won on a lay-up at the buzzer by LeBron

2006-05-04 18:00:26
117.   Stormer Sports
Yea, we should sign Gathright to replace Damon in a few years.
2006-05-04 18:01:14
118.   Cliff Corcoran
Sheff's up?!
2006-05-04 18:01:20
119.   Jeteupthemiddle
Sheff pinch hitting for Bubba.
2006-05-04 18:01:41
120.   randym77
Whoa, Sheff's in.

Lots of big hits that didn't quite go out tonight. Posada had one that bounced off the foul pole. It's been that kind of night.

2006-05-04 18:01:46
121.   Stormer Sports
116 Incentives to bring it up to 20 mil. There have been rumblings that the Astros will go higher than the 12, to closer to 15.
2006-05-04 18:02:20
122.   BklynBmr
Sheff's OK...
2006-05-04 18:02:54
123.   Cliff Corcoran
And he gets a hit!
2006-05-04 18:03:05
124.   Benjamin Kabak
121 Do you have a link/source for these rumblings? That's what I was getting at with my first question. I'm curious to read these reports.
2006-05-04 18:06:25
125.   Cliff Corcoran
Will they let Sheff play the field? If not, what do they do, stick Andy in right?

Johnny Damon with another two-out single. Cap's up.

2006-05-04 18:06:53
126.   BklynBmr
Knot it up, Cap!
2006-05-04 18:07:34
127.   Jeteupthemiddle
I think they kind of have to let Sheff play the field as we have no bench.
2006-05-04 18:10:05
128.   Cliff Corcoran
Oh man, a walk would tie it.
2006-05-04 18:11:45
129.   Cliff Corcoran
Full count, oh man!
2006-05-04 18:12:42
130.   Bill
Why, exactly, did the rays take out Meadows? This is serious overmanaging.
2006-05-04 18:13:29
131.   BklynBmr
Singleton was all over Jason's AB. Called everything the pitcher did before he did it. I was expecting that from the Senator. Kenny is rock solid in my book.
2006-05-04 18:14:15
132.   randym77
Bases loaded for A-Rod!
2006-05-04 18:14:18
133.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Man, anyone else wishing that Matsui was up now and not you know who?
2006-05-04 18:14:45
134.   Cliff Corcoran
Man, this all goes back to pinch-hitting Sheff. Torre's in the zone right now.
2006-05-04 18:14:53
135.   BklynBmr
What a strange inning...
2006-05-04 18:15:18
136.   randym77
Well, he got a run in, though not quite like I expected.
2006-05-04 18:15:40
137.   Marcus
I don't see how anything but a grand slam could happen here.
2006-05-04 18:16:32
138.   Marcus
I guess I was wrong.
2006-05-04 18:16:39
139.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Thanks Godzilla, make me look like a jerk, eh?

Any updates on Hughes? I was listening, but had to head to the dinner table.

2006-05-04 18:16:41
140.   Jeteupthemiddle
clutch HBP?
2006-05-04 18:16:52
141.   Cliff Corcoran
Gotta have Farns and Mo split the last three innings, right? The fear is Sturtze is more rested than both right now. Actually, two lefties to start the seventh, use last night's plan. Myers for two outs, Farns for four, Mo for three.
2006-05-04 18:17:14
142.   Benjamin Kabak
That was a HUGE clutch HBP.
2006-05-04 18:17:25
143.   Cliff Corcoran
Nice jinx Marcus.
2006-05-04 18:17:27
144.   Jeteupthemiddle
139
6 IP 7 H 2 BB 3 SO 4 ER
So he had 7 hits, 2 of which were infield singles, 1 was a double, and 1 was a triple.

He currently has an ERA of 6.00. Not exactly the dominant Hughes we have grown accustomed to seeing, but all in all, not a terrible start.

2006-05-04 18:19:02
145.   Jeteupthemiddle
Johnson still out there. hmmm....
And Sheffield is in right field...Bernie in center. I hate that our defensive replacement is now on the bench.

I would consider...though probably never do it...with a 1 run lead in the 9th moving Damon to CF and just losing the DH.

2006-05-04 18:19:15
146.   rabid stan
How many late-inning RBI HBP does Ortiz have?
2006-05-04 18:19:31
147.   BklynBmr
Best case: Unit goes 1-2-3.
Worst case: Rays tie it, man on 2nd, Sturtze in.
2006-05-04 18:19:57
148.   jayd
Hey Hey Hey. 2 runs, he's the winning pitcher, Joe. And Tanyon ready to come in...I think even I have to give up here. I was hoping we could win this game...
2006-05-04 18:20:48
149.   Cliff Corcoran
Thinking more about it, and this would never happen, but ideal usage would be Mo for Gomes and the eight, Farns for the ninth against the bottom of the order.
2006-05-04 18:22:01
150.   Jeteupthemiddle
Sturtze in against Gomes. ::bangs head against desk::
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2006-05-04 18:22:04
151.   randym77
Sturtze coming in.
2006-05-04 18:22:18
152.   Bill
Dream on, Cliff
2006-05-04 18:22:57
153.   Cliff Corcoran
Sturtze + Gomes = homer = Tie game on the road.
2006-05-04 18:23:37
154.   Bill
Why good managers love bad relievers! Next on Oprah...
2006-05-04 18:24:08
155.   BklynBmr
A HR pitcher vs a HR hitter. Nice.
2006-05-04 18:24:12
156.   Yu-Hsing Chen
OMG I can't watch this................ a super HR giving up pitcher vs a big HR hitter...
2006-05-04 18:25:38
157.   Jeteupthemiddle
he gets the out.
2006-05-04 18:25:54
158.   Cliff Corcoran
Ah, reverse jinx. Sweet. Gotta be FarnsMo now, though.
2006-05-04 18:26:02
159.   Bill
It looks like a weak pop up in the box score.
2006-05-04 18:26:14
160.   randym77
He escaped. No thanks to that ump.
2006-05-04 18:26:24
161.   Rich
How do you pitch Sturtze there?

Torre lucked out, but he so clueless it's obscene.

2006-05-04 18:26:45
162.   jayd
And he beautifully steers the ball right into Jeter's mitt. Now that's a pitcher...
2006-05-04 18:30:51
163.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Joe must be in great health... even us younger guys almost got a heart attack seeing that move.... and he seems perfectly fine to do it over and over again dispite his age
2006-05-04 18:31:18
164.   randym77
162 Nah, only Chacon can do that. ;-)

To be fair to Tanyon, his pitches weren't that bad tonight.

2006-05-04 18:32:00
165.   BklynBmr
158 Maybe we stumbled on to something here. The 'ReverseStrutzeJinx'...
2006-05-04 18:34:34
166.   randym77
The D-Rays just screwed up an intentional walk.
2006-05-04 18:34:53
167.   Jeteupthemiddle
BALK!
2006-05-04 18:35:21
168.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Hmmm that's a pretty good bunt call there, no out slow guys on second base with Sheff up next
2006-05-04 18:35:47
169.   BklynBmr
Clearly a balk!
2006-05-04 18:36:19
170.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Mehhh.. walking to face a almost .300 guy.. smart...
2006-05-04 18:36:40
171.   Knuckles
I like Bowa coaching 3rd, not shy about calling attn to stuff like that. Also having the catcher there who'd recognize the balk as well as anyone...
2006-05-04 18:36:48
172.   Jeteupthemiddle
well...I'll take a Johnny Damon grand slam over a balk anyway.
2006-05-04 18:37:01
173.   BklynBmr
Here's your pinstripes, Johnny!
2006-05-04 18:37:12
174.   Rich
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
2006-05-04 18:37:20
175.   Simone
Yeah, Damon! He is now a "true" Yankee. LOL! Yankee fans at the Trop go wild!
2006-05-04 18:37:34
176.   randym77
Well, I guess it didn't matter...
2006-05-04 18:38:04
177.   Yu-Hsing Chen
ahahahahahahhahahha ROFL
2006-05-04 18:38:18
178.   Bill
This may be Dan Miceli's last major league outing
2006-05-04 18:38:25
179.   yankz
The march to 1000!
2006-05-04 18:38:27
180.   Marcus
My premonition came an inning too soon. JOHNNY!!!
2006-05-04 18:39:14
181.   wsporter
Did anyone not see that comming? If Mr. Torre had left Miceli in like that he'd be getting killed right now.
2006-05-04 18:39:31
182.   BklynBmr
All we need now is an 8 run top the 9th from the Blue Jays, and this'll be a pretty good day...
2006-05-04 18:39:32
183.   hensley
Wow, you think these games are hard for us to watch, can you imagine being a D-Rays fan and watching these? This relief corp(se), yeesh.
2006-05-04 18:40:18
184.   Cliff Corcoran
Aiight, leave Sturtze in then.

I love when guys follow IBBs with homers. It's the ultimate bad-ass move.

2006-05-04 18:42:12
185.   Jeteupthemiddle
just out of curiosity, how did everyone feel about the bunt?
2006-05-04 18:43:01
186.   Cliff Corcoran
That has to be the weirdest single I've ever seen. Pop up to third, but no one's there, the pitcher fields it and Giambi almost gets a double, but slams on the breaks after rounding first hard.
2006-05-04 18:43:04
187.   BklynBmr
184 Too many outs left to leave Sturtze in ;-) We've had enough drama for tonight.
2006-05-04 18:43:11
188.   wsporter
This has got to drive a manager nuts: Lugo walks in and retires Jeter on 3 strikes then Giambi beats the shift. Ouch.
2006-05-04 18:44:03
189.   Bill
That was one amusing inning.
2006-05-04 18:45:04
190.   randym77
Well, Proctor's warming.

They said Miceli was injured. That might explain his weird inability to intentionally walk Sheff.

2006-05-04 18:45:27
191.   Cliff Corcoran
185 Bunting your worst hitter with no outs and men on first and second in the eighth to make it second and third in a game you're leading by one and looking for insurance runs and have Sheffield, Damon, Jeter, Giambi, Rodriguez, Matsui due up? I'm fine by that.
2006-05-04 18:45:52
192.   Jeteupthemiddle
well, i woulda kept sturtze in. but whatever.
2006-05-04 18:46:04
193.   BklynBmr
185 The only time to implement the bunt in the AL is when you're in extra innings and playing at home.
2006-05-04 18:46:27
194.   Cliff Corcoran
Kenny says their saving Tanyon for Texas. Home run balls for everybody!
2006-05-04 18:46:41
195.   Jeteupthemiddle
yeah, as it was happening, i was fine with it, but then I saw them IBB sheffield and i thought, well that sucked, but then Damon hit the grandslam, so what do i know. lol.
2006-05-04 18:47:28
196.   Bill
I may never say this again but I was also ok with the bunt thought I didn't know Bernie had any ability to do so.
2006-05-04 18:48:49
197.   Rich
Proctor is improving.
2006-05-04 18:49:11
198.   Cliff Corcoran
Proctor just gave Hall the jelly leg with that slow curve.
2006-05-04 18:49:11
199.   marc
Sterling just said that if they win the Yankees will be 7 and 3 in games coming from behind. That sentence makes no sense, I'm trying to decypher it
2006-05-04 18:49:19
200.   BklynBmr
194 Bleachers in Arlington sold out minutes after that statement...
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2006-05-04 18:49:47
201.   Cliff Corcoran
199 Now that's funny.
2006-05-04 18:51:02
202.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Someone here might be able to answer this one that's been bothering me for a few weeks.

I've had Directv for 6 years now. The whole time I've had it, ESPN has been showing alternative MLB games on their extra channels -- 210 and 211.

Worked like this, for Mon, and Wed night games, they always had an alternative matchup, I guess in case the first one got rained out, or maybe they had split regional coverage or something.

So anyway, you always got double the games. Which worked out great, cause often even if the Yanks were playing a crappy team like the D-rays, they were the alternative game.

This year? Nada. Zip. No alternative games on 210 and 211.

Anyone know what gives? Did they just cut back their MLB budget or something?

2006-05-04 18:51:18
203.   marc
Is Yogi in the booth with the happy couple?
2006-05-04 18:53:58
204.   yankz
wtf? Bring in Sturtze in the important situation and Proctor for mopup work?
2006-05-04 18:54:29
205.   Bill
The 7th mid-inning pitching change! As Bill James has pointed out, "there ought to be a law"
2006-05-04 18:58:37
206.   Yu-Hsing Chen
204. then again, having Proctor in with men already on is also not a great idea if you seen the games this year, he actually gave up more inherited runs than runs counted on himself... including walking 2 strait to force in a run on Wang and giving up a homer to the first guy with 2 on left by Wright.
2006-05-04 19:00:05
207.   Cliff Corcoran
None of this would have happened if he left Sturtze in. ;)
2006-05-04 19:00:34
208.   Bill
I'm waiting for an explanation of why we like Proctor (besides a good spring training). Walks guys by the barrelful, a Milton-esque HR rate, can't retire lefties. help me out here.
2006-05-04 19:03:37
209.   Rich
Torre makes the simple difficult, and the difficult impossible.
2006-05-04 19:05:31
210.   BklynBmr
Looks like we'll miss Millwood in Texas, who's 1-hitting the Birds tonight through six...
2006-05-04 19:06:09
211.   Cliff Corcoran
210 Yup, pitching matchups are on the sidebar as always.
2006-05-04 19:07:29
212.   murphy
listening to the devil rays broadcast of the gam via XM. it's funny to step out of yankeeland sometimes. these guys were talking about scott proctor like he's a cy young candidate. : )
2006-05-04 19:08:29
213.   Jeteupthemiddle
208 i'll give it a whirl. How about entering tonight, he has a BAA of .161? And while he has allowed a lot of walks, he has been very valuable in eating up innings and always giving the Yankees a chance to get back into the game.
2006-05-04 19:08:37
214.   BklynBmr
211 Doh! My bad, Cliff. The action is usually over here ;-) I scan the sidebar on off days...
2006-05-04 19:12:48
215.   singledd
Anyone notice how many 350+ ropes Cano hits. They are all getting caught... bad luck. But this kid has an amazing line drive swing.
2006-05-04 19:14:54
216.   Rich
Cano will win a batting title eventually.
2006-05-04 19:15:47
217.   Rich
Myers?
2006-05-04 19:16:24
218.   BklynBmr
If and when we hold on here, at 15-11, The Unit will have one-third of our wins. Here's to run support!
2006-05-04 19:16:37
219.   Bill
213, this is how Tanyon became one of Joe's guys. 25 decent innings after years of mediocrity. We're still paying for it. I don't want them to make the same mistake with Proctor. The walks are deadly for a reliever And there is no way he sustains a 161 BAA.
2006-05-04 19:16:55
220.   Jeteupthemiddle
216 only if he walks some more.
2006-05-04 19:17:04
221.   Yu-Hsing Chen
208 he has downsides, but you can't dispute that he have a darn low ERA and low BAA...

For a long man and inning eater he is as good as you can hope for, he throws very hard with his 4-seamer and now have a decent 2-seam to boot with a nice curve, if he can develop a bit more he actually have a pretty bright career... for the moment he is still giving far more bang for the buck than Sturtze anyway.

2006-05-04 19:18:47
222.   Bill
I can dispute he has a low ERA. His lifetime ERA is 5.
2006-05-04 19:19:42
223.   wsporter
Bklyn, If we win this 15 - 11 Unit won't get the win. Here's to run support anyway.
2006-05-04 19:20:39
224.   Jeteupthemiddle
we can't operate now because he might suck again in the future. right now he is good. right now he has a 161 BAA. he's a hot hand and has a valuable role in the pen as a long reliever. Personally, I think the Yankees will have a much easier time demoting Proctor back to AAA than they will of DFAing Sturtze.
2006-05-04 19:20:54
225.   Rich
Cano hits so many balls in play that are hard line drives, I think he could be an anomaly.

btw, How do you link to other posts?

2006-05-04 19:22:10
226.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Oh, and the difference with him and Sturtze is that Sturtze had a couple decent month after a long career of mediocarty.. Proctor is actually young and might get better (as he did this season..)

218 and Johnson have the highest ERA amoung the front 4 too... ack... let's hope he is slow warming.. if he is busting then he is a much greater concern than Wang or anyone else on the staff for that matter.

2006-05-04 19:22:32
227.   Bill
Proctor has been a serious contributor to 3 losses already. The 2nd game in oakland, the two walks behind Wang vs the orioles, and the 3-run HR that put them out of the Toronto game. Where is this "hot hand"?
2006-05-04 19:22:35
228.   BklynBmr
223 I meant the W-L record (15-11), not tonight's score — but that's not out of the realm of possibility either ;-)
2006-05-04 19:23:48
229.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Bill, he is young, this is his first season actually starting the year on the roster, Sturtze had a pretty long career behind him when he had that decent run
2006-05-04 19:24:43
230.   BklynBmr
225 Rich, place brackets around the [post number]...
2006-05-04 19:25:11
231.   Bill
proctor is young only by yankee standards.
2006-05-04 19:26:27
232.   Rich
230Thank you.
2006-05-04 19:28:45
233.   wsporter
228 Sorry Bklyn, I didn't see that.
2006-05-04 19:29:22
234.   Jeteupthemiddle
227Without looking up games because i am not in the mood to do it....he has also contributed to wins when the starter flaked out and he proceeded to pitch 3 effective innings...
2006-05-04 19:30:09
235.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I agree though that he is not a good pitcher to put into a jam, but if they actually get him to start an inning he have been pretty nice.

Also, those 3 games weren't exactly all his faults, the Oakland game he was thrown into a major jam after just rejoining the team tending his daughter (heart surgery for crying out loud) the Os game Wang didn't exactly pitch great and there was a horrible call by the umps anyway. the Jays game.. it's not like they were going to win anyway with Doc Halladay pitching againts them.

But I think it's fair to say at the moment he is at least earning his due, watch him for at least half a season more before jumping to conclusion is nice, I think at the moment he is showing good signs and some worrying signs also, we shall see how it plays out in the end.

2006-05-04 19:42:46
236.   wsporter
{235]Yu-hc, Yeah, His stuff looks absolutely filthy right now. If he can ratchet up his command of that slider he will be very tough. I think your point about him being a work in progress is well taken. IMO that's one of the reasons Mr. Torre is giving him these innings now; he'll be better in August for them. Hopefully they will be able to ratchet up the level of difficulty of his assignments. Of course the wins now count just as much as they will in August so he has to do the job when he's put in.
2006-05-04 19:43:41
237.   wsporter
Damn, I always get that Fing bracket wrong.
2006-05-04 19:52:43
238.   jayd
236-- just practicing the link stuff...That's part of the secret of keeping a team going: everybody gets at bats (yes, even Miguel Cairo) and everybody in the bullpen gets used regularly. I never understand why people moan so much over someone who is getting playing time. You can't just sit them and not use them. And throwing up old stats for guys who are improving is not an argument. Joe Kerrigan et al are paid to see talent and to make recommendations. They are looking at Proctor NOW. I'll make you a bet Tampa Bay would die to get Sturtzie back.
2006-05-04 20:15:15
239.   wsporter
238 I agree completely, that's the part of managing a big league ball club that people seem to forget. The season is a 162 game marathon and you have to figure out a way to keep everyone as sharp and as fresh as possible over the long haul and maximize emerging talents as well as recognize fading talents on the run. All this while you try to win as many games as possible. It's not an easy job but (GOB not withstanding) it's one that is done as well for our side as anywhere in the bigs, IMO.
2006-05-04 20:30:36
240.   Yu-Hsing Chen
239 is putting Sturtze in a close situation with men left on against a HR threat part of managing the big league ball club too ?XD or putting Myer in just to get another switch to a rightty?
2006-05-04 21:36:05
241.   BklynBmr
I know Randy has been struggling, but these numbers snuck up on me:

"In his last four starts, Johnson has given up 19 runs and 25 hits in 23 innings with nine walks and 11 strikeouts." — (Newsday) http://tinyurl.com/fozb6

2006-05-05 05:30:13
242.   wsporter
239 Yes.

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