Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Gitcher Brooms
2006-04-13 08:58
by Cliff Corcoran

With yesterday's 12-5 victory over the Royals, the Yankees clinched their first series win of the season, pulled their record up to .500, and put themselves on pace to score 1134 runs this season. It almost doesn't seem fair to send Randy Johnson to the mound this afternoon to go for the sweep. Sure, the Royals have scored 12 runs against the Yankees over the past two days, but the Yanks have countered with 21 of their own.

One reason for the Bombers onslaught has been the 17 free passes they've received from the Royals' pitchers over the last two days. The walks are likely to keep coming today with former Orioles prospect Denny Bautista on the mound. Bautista historically walks about four men per nine innings, a number that's sure to increase against the power and patience of the Yankee lineup. Randy Johnson, on the other hand, has yet to walk a batter this year in fifteen innings. Save for a Frank Thomas homer in his first start and an Adam Kennedy "triple" in his second, Johnson has dominated, holding his opponents to a smattering of singles.

On paper, today's game is a complete mismatch. Knowing how baseball works, that likely means that Reggie Sanders will hit a pair of two-run homers off Johnson and the Yankee bats will sputter against the hard-throwing Bautista, but honestly, I just can't see that happening.

Meanwhile, the big news is that Kelly Stinnett will again be behind the plate for Johnson, and without a day-game-after-night-game-related excuse. To make matters worse, unlike in Stinnett's last start, Joe Torre is not keeping Posada's bat in the line-up, sticking with his singles-hitting DH Bernie Williams. Williams will hit seventh, ahead of Cano and Stinnett.

Buddy Bell, meanwhile, has completely mixed things up against Johnson. Here's today's Royals lineup:

R- Tony Graffanino (DH)
R - Mark Grudzielanek (2B)
R - Emil Brown (LF)
R - Reggie Sanders (RF)
R - Angel Berroa (SS)
R - John Buck (C)
L - Doug Mientkiewicz (1B)
R - Esteban German (3B)
L - Shane Costa (CF)

Angel Berroa hitting fifth against Randy Johnson? I suppose Torre can afford to give Jorge the day off after all.

Comments (179)
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2006-04-13 09:30:36
1.   BklynBomber
These are the ones that scare me, the games that are already won on paper. Let's hope the Unit is pissed and the hitting stays contagious.

Let's go Yanks!

2006-04-13 09:58:58
2.   atc
Anyone know if you can buy MLB TV just for the day, or do you have to buy it for the month or year?
2006-04-13 10:01:30
3.   Sliced Bread
Stinnett won't catch every Johnson start this season: that's Joe's story, and he's sticking to it.

The sweep is mandatory but figuring the Yanks won't have to score a dozen runs today why not start Phillips at DH? Bring Posada and Bernie into the game only if there's trouble.

2006-04-13 10:05:53
4.   Paul in Boston
Hey, anyone else catch Jeffrey Maier's interview on espn? What an appealing guy, could definitely see him in the front office of a MLB team some day.
2006-04-13 10:08:44
5.   Alex Belth
Do you guys think the Yanks would have been better off keeping Ruben instead of Bernie for the full-time/part-time role? Or is it just, "Nah, neither is a good cherce, I wish we had _____ instead?" My girlfriend Emily thinks it is hilarious that Ruben is with the Twins. She doesn't know what he could possibly do to entertain himself in Minnesota. Much as I love Bernie, knowing Torre, he'll stick with him throughout the season, in one spot or another. And the facts are the facts--he's a singles hitter.
2006-04-13 10:15:26
6.   Cliff Corcoran
Ruben isn't even with the Twins, I think he's in triple-A Rochester, though I think there was a leg injury involved there. The Yanks play the Twins tomorrow, so I've just started looking at their 25-man. Short of sending down one of their Futility Men (punt Punto?) and using Cuddyer as a utility man, I can't see how Ruben would fit on that roster. Not that the Twins have done a good job. The prospects of Tony Batista and Big Ru points to why I chose them to finish fourth in the central.
2006-04-13 10:15:39
7.   rbj
Neiter is a good cherce. Dunno who's out there for that role (part time, IMO) for a decent price.
2006-04-13 10:15:52
8.   bp1
5 Gee - I dunno. Big Rube looked pretty toasted last year. Whether due to injury, age, or overeating, I dunno. I think Bernie is at least as likely to luck into a pitch as Rube, but has a bit more discipline. I'd take Bernie over Rube at this point.

But Bernie - my man. Gimme something to hang onto here. We're starting to lose the faith.


2006-04-13 10:16:44
9.   Cliff Corcoran
Jeez, I blinked and Johnson went 1-2-3 in the first, striking out two.
2006-04-13 10:18:28
10.   weeping for brunnhilde
Bernie's value. I prefer Bernie just because I'd rather see him in a big spot than Sierra. Which is to say, late int he season, postseason, whatever, I still like Bernie up at the bat because whatever his skill level, he's still Bernie and I think he can be relied upon to have quality at-bats.

I can totally see him getting a clutch walk, for instance, the way O'Neill used to do in his last couple of years.

We shall see what we shall see.

2006-04-13 10:18:29
11.   Shaun P
Alex re 5: Craig Wilson of the Pirates. Can hit, play 1st, both OF corners, and even catch. And he's cheap (salary around $3 mil this year IIRC). Don't know why the Pirates would give him up, though. I think he might be arb-eligible this offseason, but he's a backup player right now, and not likely to make a ton in arbitration.

Free Andy Phillips!

2006-04-13 10:19:54
12.   rbj
All right Sheff!
2006-04-13 10:21:04
13.   Shaun P
I would also take Bernie over Sierra, only because Bernie knows how to take a walk, as weep points out 10.

That said, I'd rather see Phillips playing DH than Bernie the single-hitting walks-taker.

2006-04-13 10:21:33
14.   Shaun P
Did he almost kill Bowa again before that one, or does Sheff only do that before three-run homers? ;)
2006-04-13 10:21:54
15.   weeping for brunnhilde
This MF is throwing gas, man.

Dig it.

2006-04-13 10:23:53
16.   Cliff Corcoran
Sheff goes opposite field and there's the first walk of the game to Rodriguez.
2006-04-13 10:24:10
17.   weeping for brunnhilde
WTF with A-Rod?

Why didn't he get back?

It looked like he was about to dive back but then just said, "Aw, fuck it, I'm toast."

That was weird.

2006-04-13 10:26:11
18.   Shaun P
Derek over at Cub Town pointed out how the Cubs have been putting the double steal on when Pierre is on 2nd and Lee is on 1st. I don't know if the opportunity has come up yet this year, but I think that's a strategy the Yanks should sometimes employ when they have Damon/Jeter on 2nd and A-Rod on 1st.

With Sheff hitting between them, it might not come up often, but still - it's a great way to utilize A-Rod's speed, even when he's hitting clean up.

2006-04-13 10:27:17
19.   Stormer Sports
I still think we go with Bernie.

Considering his more than adequate play in right field yesterday, I think using him there far more often and DH'ing Sheffield would make both Bernie more confident and Sheffield more content.

I seriously think Joe should learn from what he saw yesterday, and at the very least, give it a chance to work by trying it again.

He certainly has no problem repeating mistakes, now let's see if he can repeat a move which bore positive results.

2006-04-13 10:28:57
20.   rbj
I really like the animation in gamecast. Reggie Sanders' flyball to CF went straight to Damon's name.
2006-04-13 10:29:03
21.   Stormer Sports
Case in point. Stick with the 4 man Joe! Why throw Wright out there? Did he miss the last "Wildest Train Wreck" video from Fox and needs his fix?
2006-04-13 10:32:06
22.   Shaun P
Of course, as I post 18, A-Rod gets picked off needlessly. Sigh.
2006-04-13 10:34:29
23.   Stormer Sports

I am Ok with that. They're running this year, I'd rather a pick play here and there than pull out the sit and wait strategy of last year.

2006-04-13 10:35:45
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
Dear Bernie.


Does the old heart good, n'est-ce pas?

2006-04-13 10:35:52
25.   BklynBomber
Bernie just keeps tickin'...
2006-04-13 10:35:56
26.   Stormer Sports

I aint throwing you on the trash heap just yet.

2006-04-13 10:36:52
27.   Jersey
And Gojira's great start continues...dude is on FYA.
2006-04-13 10:38:18
28.   Shaun P
Stormer re 19 - the problem with Bernie playing RF on even a semi-regular basis (say three times a week) is that the Yanks take a HUGE hit offensively then. Unfortunately I can't figure out BP's new stats setup, so I don't know how to find what the average DH and the average AL RF hit last year. But I feel confident in saying that, however much better Sheff hits than the average DH is completely negated, and then some, by how horrible Bernie will hit vs the average AL RF.

The Royals and the Devil Rays are, without a doubt, the worst 2 teams in the AL. Even their RFs can outhit Bernie.

2006-04-13 10:39:13
29.   BklynBomber
Seein' eye singles. A good sign...
2006-04-13 10:39:13
30.   Shaun P
Wow, Bautista is all over the place. No control.
2006-04-13 10:39:51
31.   weeping for brunnhilde
I didn't think Cano's hit was going through. I guess it's a combo of seeing-eye and the pitch velocity. Groundballs go back through faster.

And nice bunt there, Stinnet.

2006-04-13 10:41:31
32.   Shaun P

I felt like TMQ for a moment there.

2006-04-13 10:41:59
33.   Stormer Sports
I suppose this means we are going to see another whining Yankee protest walk out in KC this year.

Hmm, top 5 in personal wealth of any MLB owner, makes one wonder, but hey, blame us, that's ok.

2006-04-13 10:42:44
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow. Sac bunt, sac fly.

Isn't it beautiful? Like a well-oiled machine.

See that's all I want. That's all it takes to impress me. Keep your long-ball, I find it boring.

Execution, however, is a thing of beauty.

2006-04-13 10:43:46
35.   Stormer Sports

I get your argument. So then who at DH, Phillips?

Do you really beleive he'd be better than Bernie?

2006-04-13 10:45:17
36.   rbj
Nice little "small ball" inning there, guys.
2006-04-13 10:46:01
37.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Per Berroa batting fifth. In fairness to Bell, the guy is hitting 4 for 9 against the Unit, well 4 for 10 after his strikeout in the first ab. I know, Iknow, small sample size, but at least there's amethod to the madness.
2006-04-13 10:46:33
38.   Stormer Sports
weeping for brunnhilde

I could not agree more. When we don't practice the fundamentals, we get dominated by aces, and consequently lose in the playoffs to a team like the Angels, who ake bunting, stealing, and sacrifices a priority!

Get em on get em over get em in. Otherwise The Great Shill Schilling, Blister Boy Beckett, and others will mow us down come October.

2006-04-13 10:47:17
39.   weeping for brunnhilde
And speaking of execution, you know who I hate?

Well I'll tell you, Aaron Boone, that's who.

If he'd have been able to find it within himself to but the bat on the ball against Florida in that extra-inning game (I think it was like the twelfth or thirteenth), we'd have won in 2003.

Glad I got that off my chest.


2006-04-13 10:49:36
40.   Stormer Sports
weeping for brunnhilde

Come on man, our lack of fundamentals and heart cost us that series. We looked like the 2003 Lakers out there.

2006-04-13 10:50:53
41.   aronneil
At least this way, Stinnett doesn't hit into a double play. Do you really want him swinging away?
2006-04-13 10:51:34
42.   weeping for brunnhilde
Precisely, Stormer. I'm less interested in watching a season-long homerun derby than I am in seeing the team grit it out and find a way to beat the best of the best when it counts. To do that, you have to execute and you have to get lucky. Luck you have no control over but execution is actually something you do.
2006-04-13 10:52:09
43.   Marcus
32 I don't think you can complain about "Never Safe" Stinnett bunting, I mean his last game he was 0-3 with 3 Ks. Might as well put the ball in play. And it worked out for the Damon sac fly too, so all the better!
2006-04-13 10:52:33
44.   Cliff Corcoran
Stormer, weeping, I understand your frustrations (especially with Boone), but when you're up 3-0 on the Royals in the second inning with Randy Johnson on the mound and you've just started the inning with four singles . . . well it probably doesn't matter what you do, but there's NO reason to bunt there, none. It's moronic, unless the Yanks already think they have this won and they're just practicing. Ditto Rodriguez getting picked off first. Just no excuse for this crap.

Otherwise, great game thus far!

2006-04-13 10:52:43
45.   Shaun P
Even Kelly Stinett is going to not make an out 3 out of every 10 times (career .320 OBP). Why not have him try to avoid making an out, which (a) advances the runners, if not scores a run and (b) means there are still no outs? Why trade a 3 in 10 chance for not making an out for a 100% chance of making an out? To get 1 run in the second inning? And to take the bat out of Sheff's hands, should Damon and Jeter both make outs?

Are runs that hard to come by?

I'd also like to point out that KC's bullpen is decimated and whoever comes into today will either suck really bad or be tired and likely to pitch poorly. Why not let Stinnett try to work Bautista some, instead of taking 1 pitch and giving him an out? If you could drive Bautista out of the game in the 3rd or 4th, you can feast on the Steve Stemle's of the world in 7th. That, more than sac bunts and sac flies, is why the dynastic Yanks of the late 90s won so much and scored so much.

I promise I won't rant again today about the stupidity of a sac bunt with 2 on and no out in the 2nd freakin' inning.

2006-04-13 10:54:31
46.   Cliff Corcoran
Marcus, 43, Stinnett isn't going to turn into vintage Mike Piazza or anything, but you might as well give him a chance to get is stroke down against live pitching. Having him bunt doesn't help now (it gives Bautista an out he didn't seem capable of getting on his own, and helps him settle down), and it won't help later when you actually need a hit out of Stinnett.
2006-04-13 10:55:41
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
40 Be that as it may, Stormer, Boone shall forever remain my personal scapegoat for that series 'cause frankly, it makes me feel good.


And really, that strikeout is the one at-bat I clearly remember from that series. If I recall correctly, he swung through something up and in for strike 3, just looking totally overmatched. But the thing is, his swing just looked so long and ferocious, like he wasn't focused on meeting the ball. He was trying to be a hero which is why he ended up the goat.

2006-04-13 10:57:05
48.   Shaun P
Stormer re 35 - yes. Phillips in a heartbeat.
2006-04-13 10:59:25
49.   Stormer Sports
weeping for brunnhilde

Game 7 Red Sox doesn't bail him out?

2006-04-13 11:00:15
50.   Cliff Corcoran
40 can we all agree to never consider "heart" part of a player's skill set? Hustle I can see, but "heart" is about the most meaningless load of hocus pocus bullhoey there is. I don't even know what it's supposed to mean.
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2006-04-13 11:01:12
51.   jonnystrongleg
Guys, sac bunts represent "small ball;" sac flies merely represent fly outs with a man on third with less than two outs. Sac bunts are to be avoided in most cases with this team, sac flies are welcome as opposed the whiffs. Sac flies have nothing to do with "small ball," they just mean you've got lots of guys on base, haven't given up previous outs stupidly, and make good contact with runners in scoring position.
2006-04-13 11:02:46
52.   weeping for brunnhilde
45 sigh You may well be right, Shaun, I wouldn't know. I'm just an old-school romantic, I freely admit it. I'm less interested in finding a mathematical formula for winning than I am in watching crisp baseball of a certain style.

So whatever I say, bear in mind that strictly speaking, it may be irrational or at least, "unscientific."

I'm intuitive by nature and will never internalize "the new baseball," as it were.

sigh, I say again.


2006-04-13 11:03:48
53.   Sliced Bread
5 Alex, I think Bernie has a lot more pop left in his bat than Rube, and that we'll see Williams hit his share of extra base hits and blasts as the weather gets warmer. April is usually his worst month for power production.

That said, I'm not in favor of him being the everyday DH, or getting more than 300-350 ABs.

Hard to complain about Bernie's RBI single today, but I would have given Phillips the ABs today, with Randy pitching.

2006-04-13 11:05:57
54.   Cliff Corcoran
Good point, JSL 51, though I have seen situations where there's man on third with less than two outs and the runner represents a tying or go-ahead run and the hitter, rather than trying to place a ball for a hit, knows all he has to do is muscle up and hit it deep enough. Sierra was actually an ace at this (based on observation, not data collection). Not all sac flies are accidental.
2006-04-13 11:07:28
55.   weeping for brunnhilde
49 Stormer, no. Game 7 was lovely, but let's face it, it was a random thing. He came out and hit--what was it the second pitch?--out from a knuckleballer. That was really just a right place right time kind of thing--there was no pressure on him at all.

I was exuberant, don't get me wrong, but the feat itself was not as impressive to me as performing under the pressure of failure.

I was much more impressed when Jorgie dunked that ball in to chase Pedro in the first place. That took grit. And a little bit of luck. But luck is easier to come by when you don't strike out.

2006-04-13 11:09:02
56.   rilkefan
Sheffield Ks swinging, ARod Ks looking. That's heart for you, Cliff.
2006-04-13 11:09:24
57.   Cliff Corcoran
Oh, and further to the Aaron Boone discussion, the though of Boone in a Yankee uniform makes me sick to my stomach, in large part because of the at-bat Weeping's on about, but also because, other than that one hit off Wakefield, he did nothing of value in his time as a Yankee. He was dreadful and I'm convinced that had they simply held on to Ventura, they would have won the '03 ALCS before it got to extra innings in Game 7, and won the World Series.
2006-04-13 11:10:01
58.   rilkefan
That is, Shef has it, Alex doesn't.

Oops, Matsui has heart too.

2006-04-13 11:11:31
59.   Sliced Bread
weeping, without Boone's heroics in ALCS Game 7, Yanks might not play '03 WS.

bottomline: the Yanks should never have had to count on Boone's bat in any October situation.

2006-04-13 11:11:40
60.   Cliff Corcoran
56 I don't even know what you mean by that. Did Sheffield have "heart" when he homered in the first but not have "heart" when he struck out in the second? That's heat, not heart (or lackthereof).
2006-04-13 11:12:05
61.   jonnystrongleg
agreed cliff 54. they're not accidental in the sense that the hitter knew a strikeout wouldn't do the job. but the force required to get the ball deep enough requires a swing that, for most players, sacrifices precision. if you're swinging for the deep outfield, your margin of error increases, and you cannot execute "on purpose" as easily as say, grounding weakly to second base.
2006-04-13 11:12:31
62.   Shaun P
weeping, believe me, I understand 52. I like aesthetically-pleasing baseball, artistry on the field, and the occasional display of old-school baseball (when it makes sense).

But I'm a romantic in that I like winning more than anything else. Needless sac bunts like Stinnett executed just do not lead to winning. That the Yanks seemingly don't know this fact, and thus ignorantly put themselves at a disadvantage, drives me bonkers - because it detracts from the overall goal of winning. Everything the Yanks do ought to advance them towards that goal, not take them away from it.

2006-04-13 11:14:40
63.   Cliff Corcoran
The thing is, Shaun, the Yankees haven't really bunted all that much recenty, have they? Jeter bunted too much two years ago because that early-season slump messed up his game (he also didn't walk as much as usual that year), but otherwise, they tend not to abuse it as much as they've started to this year.
2006-04-13 11:16:12
64.   weeping for brunnhilde
57 Thanks Cliff, it's nice to know I'm not alone. I swear (as if I've not yet made it plain) the thought of that at-bat just infuriates me right down to the present day.

As to heart, I take your point, but do you really believe there's no such thing as intensity or drive or strength of will? I'm not saying these necessarly translate into productivity, but surely the exist, no?

2006-04-13 11:19:57
65.   rilkefan
60 - just joking about the "at least he went down swinging" idea.
2006-04-13 11:22:55
66.   Cliff Corcoran
I believe that some players are more intense and more driven than others, yes, absolutely, I'd be a fool not to. But I don't believe it has anything to do with the results you see on the field. Maybe Joe McEwing never even makes the majors if he isn't a red ass, but his hustle will never make him Manny Ramirez, even if he works harder. "Heart" is about as crucial to team success as haircuts. Maybe there's some esprit de corps going on there, but ultimately all the heart in the world is not going to help the Royals win the World Series.
2006-04-13 11:24:44
67.   Shaun P
Agreed, Cliff 63. The bunts have been few and far-between for a long time. That's another reason to be annoyed - why start bunting now? They've won before without it, and this is probably the best lineup the Yankees have had under Torre.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but its the trend of bunting early in games that disturbs me. If it seems to lead to a run here and there now, Torre might employ the strategy at a really bad time. Like in the third inning of an elimination game in the postseason when the Yanks are down and he wants to 'get the offense going'.

Maybe I'm full of it. But on the same token, we've all seen how Torre's patterns of misuse/poor strategy from the regular season can affect the postseason.

2006-04-13 11:25:40
68.   Cliff Corcoran
Golly, look. Kelly Stinnett singled off Bautista. Funny that.
2006-04-13 11:26:31
69.   Shaun P
Hmmmm . . . (keeps mouth shut as he sees that Stinnett is capable of getting a base hit off Bautista)
2006-04-13 11:30:37
70.   Marcus
You were right Cliff! He can, in fact, hit.

Also, regarding the whole sac bunt trend, Torre as much said in spring training they were going to do the "little things" that you "need to do to win" (paraphrasing), including sac bunt. Maybe this small ball philosophy is why Bernie and Cairo are getting in the lineup (why hit doubles and home runs when you can hit singles to "move the guys over"?).

2006-04-13 11:31:32
71.   weeping for brunnhilde
62 Shaun, fair enough.

66 Cliff, of course hustle, heart, determination, whatever won't turn some average player into Manny, but it can elevate his game such that he can maximize what talent he does have. At least, that's what I think.

2006-04-13 11:33:34
72.   Cliff Corcoran
71 So tell me, who on the Yankees hasn't maximized his talent? Remember, they traded Raul Mondesi.
2006-04-13 11:35:21
73.   Cliff Corcoran
Dude, Esteban German owns Randy Johnson.
2006-04-13 11:36:19
74.   weeping for brunnhilde
72 Hmm. Good question, Cliff. Not sure I can answer that in general. If I see a situation, though (i.e., a particular AB), I'll let you know.
2006-04-13 11:37:16
75.   pistolpete
Ok Randy, stop toying with them and just shut it down already...
2006-04-13 11:39:58
76.   rbj
Oh well, there goes the shut out.
2006-04-13 11:41:45
77.   Cliff Corcoran
Good thing Bell put his lefties so low in the line-up, they have two of the four hits off Johnson and the only run and RBI.

That's why they play 'em, folks.

2006-04-13 11:45:47
78.   Marcus
Wuh? Proctor? Why is Johnson out after 87 pitches?
2006-04-13 11:46:56
79.   pistolpete
For the love of God, why is Proctor out there with only a 3-run lead?!!! Is Randy hurt?
2006-04-13 11:47:30
80.   weeping for brunnhilde
Scott Procter.

It's a whole new ballgame, folks.

A whole new ballgame.

Ok, now I can entertain grievances about giving away outs.

2006-04-13 11:47:31
81.   Cliff Corcoran
74 So "heart" comes and goes during the course of a game? You do realized that a .400 OBP is comprised of four successful PAs and six outs for every ten trips to the plate, yes? When you call heads and the coin lands on tails is that because you didn't have "heart" on that particular flip?
2006-04-13 11:47:43
82.   Mattpat11
2006-04-13 11:48:45
83.   Cliff Corcoran
Seriously, any one got the TV or radio on who can fill us in on why Johnson is out after 87 pitches, particularly after having given up a run in the last inning to the bottom of the order? This is very ominous.
2006-04-13 11:49:32
84.   rbj
Huh? What?
2006-04-13 11:50:41
85.   standuptriple
40 I've always considered Karl Malone's attempt to piggy-back into a championship in 2003 was the sign of the apocalypse in sports. Do not make those gods angry, for they are full of vengance. You have all seen what has transpired since then.
Hail, Mighty Pinstriped One in the sky.
2006-04-13 11:51:13
86.   pistolpete
Ok, Scotty got through 1 - take him out Joe, DON'T PRESS YOUR LUCK!!!
2006-04-13 11:51:33
87.   Marcus

Randy Johnson was removed after allowing one run in five innings Thursday against the Royals.
The YES guys are speculating that something is wrong with him, although there were certainly no obvious problems. Johnson threw 87 pitches, 60 of them strikes. The one run came on three straight two-out singles in the fifth.


2006-04-13 11:52:12
88.   Stormer Sports

They are waiting for an "update" to fill us is.

Lieter thinks he's hurt.

2006-04-13 11:53:13
89.   BobbyBaseBall
I bet Jow has Proctor pitch to the first two in the next inning and then perhaps bring in Villone?
2006-04-13 11:54:07
90.   weeping for brunnhilde
81 Heh, you're tenacious, aren't you Cliff?


Honestly, I'm not prepared to develop an argument because I really have no argument, just stray thoughts and convictions that may or may not cohere in a rational way. It's just my intuition which may well be wrong (it's often right, on the other hand).

And in any event, it wasn't even my intuition, Stormer's the one who invoked heart, not me. Could well be a chimera, as you say.

2006-04-13 11:58:57
91.   Stormer Sports
So, let me get this straight so I understand:

Proctor can be used almost every day, and for multiple innings, correct?

Sturtz and Farnsworth cannot be?

I was watching the Dodger postgame yesterday and they were opining what to do about their shotty middle relief getting to Baez with Gange out. Why is is unfathomable to use a closer for 2 innings and rest him the following day? Gossage must be befuddled.

Sure, you won't have 70 appearances, but who'll have more wins, the team that shuts down the game using the closer when you have a lead in the game, or the team that allows themselves to get beat using a bottom tier set up man? I refuse to believe this strategy works the way they think it does.

I guess two or three inning save went the way of the up and in 0-2 pitch. Sad, very very sad. I know when I was 23, I sure got tired quickly, sheesh, its frustrating to watch.

2006-04-13 12:00:32
92.   pistolpete
91 Stormer- you actually want Sturtze in there for more than 1 day in a row?
2006-04-13 12:01:24
93.   Marcus
update from

Randy Johnson was removed after allowing one run in five innings Thursday against the Royals. WCBS' John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman were speculating that he had a strained oblique.
Johnson threw 87 pitches, 60 of them strikes. The one run came on three straight two-out singles in the fifth. If Johnson is hurt, the Yankees could bring up Darrell Rasner or put Scott Proctor into the rotation until Carl Pavano is ready to return, something that won't happen before the end of the month. Aaron Small should be back relatively soon, but it would take longer if he's going to be stretched out to start.

Not good, but hopefully this isn't a long term DL thing...

2006-04-13 12:02:28
94.   Mattpat11
Cano was out. Not even close.
2006-04-13 12:03:28
95.   Alex Belth
Bernie's doing his best Rod Carew "single-ular" sensation routine. Distressing news, to say the least, about RJ. Hopefully, it isn't too bad.
2006-04-13 12:04:39
96.   pistolpete
"WCBS' John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman were speculating that he had a strained oblique."

What are they basing this on? You could just as well speculate that he had a blister - if nothing appeared to be wrong from his delivery or motion, that is...

2006-04-13 12:07:35
97.   JeremyM
So if Johnson is out, shouldn't his personal catcher go out with him, especially in that spot? Tell me why they have a third catcher again? OK, I know why, but since he's there you might as well take advantage.
2006-04-13 12:09:36
98.   Stormer Sports
weeping for brunnhilde

Heart is an element, cannot dispute that. It cannot be measured as statistics can be. I'm not sure when MLB teams began to be run like fantasy rosters, but I blame Billy Beane for that. Bloggers and fans alike, desperate to prove their IQ is above 100, spit out their understanding of stats to impress themselves and feed their belief that they could run a MLB team is they were just given the chance. 28 year old acronym slurping, snot nosed punks staring at as many new stats as they can to fill their rosters.

Numbers matter, that is for sure, but a combination of numbers and personality and other factors produce wins. Using the numbers approach, Jeter is being overpaid by about 10 mil.

Paul O'Niel decribed it perfectly yesterday when examining why the '96-'00 Yankees won the way they did. A taped up hammy playing the day your father passes is as important to team chemisty and wins as any silly new stat you can come up with to make Ken Rosenthal and Scott Boras' jobs that much easier.

I do not discount the usefullness of numbers, but the Angels defy it, and the Lakers proved that numbers and talent alone do not.

If numbers are all that matter, why watch the games at all?

2006-04-13 12:10:33
99.   Sliced Bread
According to Michael Kay the word from the clubhouse re: Johnson is "there's nothing physically wrong with him."
2006-04-13 12:10:53
100.   Marcus
GREAT point JeremyM. Why not bring in Jorge there??? The mind boggles...
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2006-04-13 12:11:21
101.   wsporter
"Nothing medically wrong with Johnson" per S.W. What the hell does that mean?
2006-04-13 12:12:23
102.   Stormer Sports

92 Maybe. However I'd rather throw my closer out there for 2 innings and almost guarantee a win in hand. Tomorrow is another day, but a win is better than a loss today. It lost the Dodgers a game last night and will continue to do the same to teams, their closers and their baby bottles.

2006-04-13 12:14:44
103.   42YrOldRookie
anyone else notice the home hits and away hits in mlb gameday are pratically in identical positions.
2006-04-13 12:18:17
104.   JeremyM
Of course, Stinnett had a single earlier so he's "hot." If he didn't get a hit earlier, he'd be "due" so no luck there either.
2006-04-13 12:32:12
105.   Sliced Bread
Buckle up... here's Sturtze.
2006-04-13 12:32:41
106.   Sliced Bread
Farnswacker warming up...
2006-04-13 12:34:08
107.   Stormer Sports
Now can I f***ing see MO! Now can I?
2006-04-13 12:34:23
108.   Sliced Bread
The Tanyon of Zeros... 1 batter... 1 home run
2006-04-13 12:34:36
109.   JeremyM
Cut the cord on this guy already. Bring up Bean.
2006-04-13 12:35:42
110.   Cliff Corcoran
Paging Ramiro Mendoza, come in Ramiro . . . We're sorry we didn't bring you with us to California. Would you like to join us in Minnesota?
2006-04-13 12:36:01
111.   Stormer Sports
You'd think Octavio Dotel has had success the past few years the way they talk about him.
2006-04-13 12:36:12
112.   monkeypants
#109. Yeah, bring up bean...Andy Phillips needs company on the bench!
2006-04-13 12:36:26
113.   JeremyM
Forgot about Mendoza. Strange he didn't make it as one of Torre's guys.
2006-04-13 12:37:14
114.   Stormer Sports
Joe likes Tanyon. He aint going anywhere yet.
2006-04-13 12:39:19
115.   Stormer Sports
Man. I'd love to see Arod give pitching a shot, just for kicks. I bet he'd be better than Wright as a infrequent starter.
2006-04-13 12:40:47
116.   Nick from Washington Heights
Why is it that "Joe's guys" always seem to suck.
2006-04-13 12:42:02
117.   Sliced Bread
For those who don't have audio-visual access to the game, Torre came out to mound after the home run. Sturtze settled down, inducing two groundballs to Rodriguez, and then struck out Sanders on a 3-2 changeup.

Kay reported he was throwing 93-94.

Two big postgame questions for Joe: what up with Randy? What did you say to Sturtze?

Rivera and Farnsworth warming up...

2006-04-13 12:42:13
118.   rbj
Phew, that's over. Next comes Mo.
2006-04-13 12:42:31
119.   Stormer Sports

I dunno. Why don't you check his managerial record before joining the Yankees. That might give you some insight.

2006-04-13 12:42:43
120.   JeremyM
Someone should make a complete list of Joe's guys. The lists starts with Ruben of all people, and goes from there.
2006-04-13 12:43:21
121.   Stormer Sports

Maybe Joe should get up off his fat ass more often then, huh?

2006-04-13 12:43:23
122.   rbj
Joe probably told Tanyon he was one hit away from being shipped back to Tampa.
2006-04-13 12:43:33
123.   Nick from Washington Heights
"What did you say to Sturtze?"

-Do you know Andy Phillips? DO you want to get to know him?-

2006-04-13 12:44:36
124.   Cliff Corcoran
111 Let's see here, Dotel struck out nearly 13 men per nine innings against about 3.5 walks in 2004 with a sub-4.00 ERA, then last year, with an arm that required surgery after just 15 innings, posted a 3.52 ERA and struck out 16 in 15 1/3 innings. Yeah, no idea why anyone would think he's good.
2006-04-13 12:46:03
125.   wsporter
I hate the radio broadcast. MLB is carrying that instead of the YES broadcast. SW is peculiarly inane. Her theory is that Sturtze is too tense. No kidding Sue. Maybe instead of Greenies someone should give him a couple of Quaaludes.

If he can pitch like that (hitters 2 -4) he is very valuable. How do you get it out of him?

2006-04-13 12:46:22
126.   Cliff Corcoran
119 It looks a lot like Casey Stengel's before joining the Yanks, what's your point?
2006-04-13 12:46:32
127.   Stormer Sports

Way to steal that save! I'll take it!

2006-04-13 12:46:42
128.   BklynBomber
Sweet. A little less margin for drama now...
2006-04-13 12:46:52
129.   Cliff Corcoran
Giambi showing a lot of heart there. ;)
2006-04-13 12:48:05
130.   Nick from Washington Heights
Gotta agree with Cliff. Dotel has been very good the last couple of seasons. Not sure what Stormer meant by the comment.
2006-04-13 12:48:23
131.   Sliced Bread
Gobble Gobble: A-Rod leads off the 8th hitting roping a robust linedrive to the wall just beneath the 385 marker in right center.

Giambi follows with a 2 run blast to straight away center.

These guys are strong.

Rivera still warming up...

2006-04-13 12:48:53
132.   rbj
Sweet, Jason. Should Mo sit (not a save anymore) or does he need the work.
2006-04-13 12:49:09
133.   Stormer Sports
Christ, now is Joe going to use Mo anyway? Oh Jesus. Doesn't use him in 2 tie games but uses him here. Ugg!

Can you fire him while on a winning streak?

Zimmer, come back! Apologize and make nice nice with George, please.

2006-04-13 12:52:55
134.   Sliced Bread
Bernie's third single of the day was an authoritative line drive to left center.

6 for 9, 2 RBI, 2 runs scored this series.

2006-04-13 12:53:03
135.   Stormer Sports
I'm not saying otel is a bum. But they talk about him as if his era wasn't near 4.00 the last few seasons. That's adequate, not the numbers of a bullpen savior. Not to mention that he folds under pressure like a rusty coke can.

I guess I hope I'm wrong, time will tell.

2006-04-13 12:53:53
136.   Stormer Sports
2006-04-13 12:54:54
137.   42YrOldRookie
Bernie's BA (.323) is second only to Matsui after his third hit today. And he usually starts off slow. I'd still like to see Giambi/Sheff as DH, but that's a fact to consider, if only briefly.
2006-04-13 12:55:53
138.   weeping for brunnhilde
129 Heh. Indeed, Cliff. ;)
2006-04-13 12:56:18
139.   Stormer Sports
I like Bernie in Right and Sheff at DH, at least twice per week.
2006-04-13 12:58:16
140.   BklynBomber
Aside from the memories that brought back, I'm lovin' it! 'Bout time, Damon!
2006-04-13 12:58:18
141.   Sliced Bread
We knew Damon could find his way to the porch... didn't we?
2006-04-13 12:58:32
142.   wsporter
Damn! He's strong too.
2006-04-13 12:58:37
143.   rbs10025
Oh crud. We just found out what Sterling's call is when Johnny D hits a home run: "Positively Damonic".


2006-04-13 12:58:53
144.   Stormer Sports
I suppose Mo is still coming in.
2006-04-13 12:59:48
145.   dwight45
125 What's worse is I have been getting the KC TV feed and announcers on since logging in at 12:30 p.m. Just refreshed the page and now getting Sterling and Waldman with the YES feed. What's up with that? (There's no choice listed for what feed to get like you do with the radiocasts on
2006-04-13 13:00:45
146.   rbs10025
144 Villone is also warming up.
2006-04-13 13:01:18
147.   Sliced Bread
The Vazquez grand slam just cleared the wall, this one was to the upper deck.

Before launching today's shot Damon swung at a pitch, and flung his bat into the stands above the dugout.

After the home run, he made sure everybody was ok.

Jeter hit streak continues to 9 straight...

2006-04-13 13:01:30
148.   rbj
AT this rate, send Tanyon back out there. Until one guy gets on base, then bring in Farny.
2006-04-13 13:01:36
149.   Sliced Bread
Villone warming up now
2006-04-13 13:04:33
150.   wsporter
Let Sturtze end on a positive note. Bring in Villone.
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2006-04-13 13:06:28
151.   Sliced Bread
Joe says, "you got it, wsporter. villone it is."
2006-04-13 13:08:20
152.   monkeypants
Phew! Phillips in as a defensive replacement for Giambi.
2006-04-13 13:10:34
153.   Sliced Bread
According to Kay, that was Damon's first home run at the Stadium since, you know...
2006-04-13 13:15:34
154.   wsporter
151 My wife would think that's funny. Every now and then, during a game, when I'm being particularly vocal about what I think the strategy should be she'll hand me the phone and tell me it's Joe Torre calling from the dugout and he wants to know what he should do next.
2006-04-13 13:17:24
155.   Sliced Bread
2006-04-13 13:18:18
156.   pistolpete
>>We just found out what Sterling's call is when Johnny D hits a home run: "Positively Damonic".

EWWWWWWWW.....Glad I didn't hear that in person, I just ate.

2006-04-13 13:20:18
157.   rbj
Hear, hear. Gawd, I miss Rizzuto & White. Well done series, about what's to be expected: serious offense and shaky pitching.
2006-04-13 13:20:39
158.   Sliced Bread
"Positively Damonic"...

Absolutely puketastic.

2006-04-13 13:20:51
159.   pistolpete
Shaky? What's shaky about 3 runs in 9 innings?
2006-04-13 13:25:28
160.   wsporter
156 You can't listen to it. How do those people stand being around themselves and eachother? God they blow.
2006-04-13 13:26:03
161.   yankz
Good lord, Sturtze's ERA is over 8.
2006-04-13 13:30:04
162.   pistolpete
Anyone here listen to Opie & Anthony on XM? They once played a bunch of Sterling home run calls and goofed on them mercilessly.

Maybe I have to call in tomorrow & have them listen to Damon's...I can only imagine the reaction!

2006-04-13 13:30:32
163.   Marcus
159 For me, the shaky part is Randy Johnson out of the game after 87 pitches.
2006-04-13 13:31:36
164.   rbj
Overall, for the season so far. Chacon & Wang weren't terribly great the past two days, and look at 161.
Not that Randy's bad, but other pitchers aren't all that good.
2006-04-13 13:33:31
165.   Cliff Corcoran
Man, the Yanks just can't win unless they score nine runs, can they. ;)
2006-04-13 13:35:13
166.   pistolpete
163 Can't help if a guy's hurt- maybe Torre was just playing it safe, knowing that we would most likely blow the game open at some point anyway..

164 Agreed that Chacon & Wang have been shaky, but Moose & Johnson have been better than average - if the Yanks had hit in Mussina's last start, he'd be undefeated.

I just wouldn't call this particular game, 'shaky'. Johnson was pretty much cruising until he came out.

2006-04-13 13:39:30
167.   rilkefan
AP I guess: "Giambi has reached base safely in 14 of his past 18 plate appearances."
2006-04-13 13:40:36
168.   Rob Gee
Waldman: The Unit stiffened up (Really!)
2006-04-13 13:40:39
169.   Cliff Corcoran
I do wonder if they were just being safe with Johnson, they did that a couple of times last year and Randy wound up missing just one start all year, and that against his will early in the season. It's a good strategy if that's the case.
2006-04-13 14:09:45
170.   wsporter
168 Rob, please tell me she didn't say that. I still have work to do.
2006-04-13 14:12:39
171.   Schteeve
Reading these comments is a good way for me to feel like I'm watching the game in a bar with a bunch of fellow Yankee fans. It also sort of makes me want to jam pencils in my eyes.

Thank God for Cliff.

2006-04-13 16:57:38
172.   Marcus
Vernon Wells just hit a grand slam to dead center at Fenway off of Clement. Toronto is up 6 to 1 in the 2nd.

I was actually getting nervous about Clement after he started off pitching so well his first two starts (he proceeded to blow his last start as usual), but now I see he's just pitching his some ol' inconsistent self.

Meanwhile it looks like the Blue Jays have an offense this year. But with Halladay having more injury problems, and Burnett not even starting a major league game yet, I think their pitching might not be as much of a strength as it might have been.

2006-04-13 17:42:07
173.   yankz
I hope Halladay comes back strong (against everyone but the Yankees, of course). He's supposed to be my fantasy ace (and Felix Hernandez, who pretty much sucked tonight).
2006-04-13 18:40:54
174.   markp
Letting Delgado go was just plain dumb. You just don't let a top five hitter walk.
2006-04-13 19:10:54
175.   Simone
Do you see how the Jays are tried to give this game away?
2006-04-13 19:11:38
176.   Zack
Well, the 'greatest clutch hitter" just killed the Sox rally. He now has three home runs, non of which have made any difference in a game's outcome! Shocking!
2006-04-13 21:11:35
177.   yankz
I just read this on All-Baseball:

"Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriquez, and Jose Canseco are the 3 members of that reknowned fraternity [40/40 club]."

Is A-Rod the only member of that club who did it while not juicing? If so, that's amazing.

2006-04-13 21:38:21
178.   Cliff Corcoran
Bonds did it in 1996. He was clean then. It's really awful the way he's soiled what would have been one of the best careers in history anyway. And now he may be going to jail on a perjury charge.
2006-04-13 22:12:07
179.   Yu-Hsing Chen
We shall see, this pitching staff is at least a major improvement over what they started with last year though. (espically considering relative pay checks)

Wang have been on and off but never really blown away, Chacon is in the same truck but he have been making a lot of great pitchs for Ks also.

I think for both of these guys it's safe to say "They got the really awsome stuffs, just not finding it consistently enough" so far. That's alot better than Kevin the "nothing left" Brown or the "I suffer sore butts and/or other wild injuries " duo.

What really worries me in the line up now is actually Bernie.. he ain't hitting better than he was last year AND he's eating the DH spot. that's just pointless, might as well put Crosby and Phillips on the field for a defensive upgrade and keep the Matsui/Sheffield/Giambi trio rotating on the DH to keep them fresh.

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