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Alex Rodriguez is one of the greatest players of all-time. In his second year in New York he had one of the ten best seasons any third baseman has ever had yet his poor showing in the ALDS will haunt him throughout the off-season. Some writers act as if Rodriguez's lousy series is some kind of character defect or moral failing on his part, suggesting that Rodriguez doesn't have what it takes, doesn't have the toughness, the right stuff, in order to perform well in a pressure situation. Rodriguez's playoff history shows that while he's never had a career-defining monster series in October--though the 2004 ALDS sure wasn't bad--he's been anything but a bust (he was batting .330 in the postseason coming into this year). To Rodriguez's many critics, it's as if last year's ALDS and the first three games against Boston simply didn't exist. Or at least it didn't fit their angle.
I don't think Rodriguez helps himself either. When he fails, it looks as if he's trying too hard. It feels as if he's pressing. How else can we explain why the best player doesn't play the best ball in the biggest spots? Rodriguez was quick to give himself the beatdown after the series ended, which was the correct move. He understands that he's the highest-paid, most-talented and best-looking star on the most famous team in the sport. If he is anything but brutally honest and accountable, he gives fans and journalists another reason to pile on. But Luis Sojo is probably just one member of the team who thinks that Rodriguez is being too hard on himself and I agree. Had his teammates picked him up, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't mean to minimize how his performance contributed to the Yankees' loss, but I don't think he needs to take all the heat either.
Steven Goldman, as usual, gave this issue some historical perspective earlier in the week:
The Yankees wouldn't have gotten anywhere at all without Alex Rodriguez. The press and the fans can pillory him for his poor postseason performance, but it's just scapegoating. A lot of Yankees didn't hit in the Division Series. These things happen. Babe Ruth went 2-for-17 in the 1922 World Series. Joe DiMaggio went 2-for-18 in the 1949 World Series (though the Yankees won). Yogi Berra was 1-for-16 in that same series. The key for both Berra and DiMaggio is that their teammates picked them up. A-Rod's didn't. We could go on: Mickey Mantle, 3-for-25 in the 1962 World Series (Yankees won), 2-15 in the 1963 classic (Yankees lost).Reggie Jackson was a homerless 2-for-16 in the 1977 ALCS against the Royals, but the Yankees covered for him and went on to the World Series. It was there that he earned the "Mr. October" appellation by hitting .450 with five home runs in six games. It wouldn't have happened without support from his teammates. The great Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post cited the Yankees, "Dysfunctional Culture of Blame," and called the "Are You a Real Yankee?" discussion that Rodriguez must not be subjected to "self-defeating foolishness." He's dead on.
I felt badly for both the team and for Rodriguez after the ALDS was over. That double play in the ninth really hurt. But as my partner Cliff mentioned to me on the phone, for the Yankees it should have never come down to that. The series should have been won already by that point. And you know what? If Rodrgiuez manages to stay healthy, and if he is fortunate enough to have some more opportunities to play in October, I think he's going to be just fine. How long did it take Bonds to get the playoff monkey off his back? A looooong time. If he gets the chance, Rodriguez will eventually have his day in the sun. I've little doubt about that. In the meanwhile, he'll come back next year more motivated than ever to prove his worth. I don't think he needs to prove anything to anyone, but until he has a great post-season, I'm not so sure he'd agree. And there are a lot of people out there who'll take his side in this one. So be it.
But if I ran into homeboy on the street, I'd tell him, Chill out, dog. You had a great season. It was very much appreciated. You had a forgettable playoff series. That was disappointing. Keep your head up, you are going to be just fine.
But he was part of the reason why the Yanks lost to the Angels.
After last years post season numbers against the Red Sox, a monster MVP season and some good numbers against the Red Sox this season I really hoped he would do some magic for us in the playoffs.
But he didn't come through. Don't get me wrong he's the best we have and I wouldn't give him up for anybody and he will get other chances. But there are some players that can do it in the playoffs and some, no matter how great they are, who just can't.
I just hope next time A-Rod is in the playoffs he puts up some good numbers, b/c some parts of the stupid statistical loving media will rip him.
Who should the Yanks have in Center field next year?
I heard Matsui wants a 5 year deal, do we give it to him? I wouldn't.
How about Ian O'Conner of USA Today, writing: "It's official: The two-year A-Rod experiment has been a Bronx tale gone bust."
Huh? Who is this guy?
Despite what anyone says, the Yankees didn't lose this series solely because of Alex Rodriguez. Though if he did hit at a .400 clip then it would be hard to see them losing. He does deserve some of the blame, but he's not the only reason. ARod really did play great during the regular season, it's hard to justify a small sample of 15 at-bats in the post-season and say his entire season was a failure. If the Yankees advanced to the next round and ARod found his groove nobody would question his lack of production in the ALDS. Nevertheless, NYC is full of writers who want to write a juicy story and who better to pick on than the Golden Boy, Alex Rodriguez.
When you are so good, when you make things appear so easy, then jealous one's will always envy.
Is there another LF available? Giving Matsui 12+ mil a year seems kind of absurd. He's a decent stick, but is getting on in years and his defense is awful. Obvioulsy getting a CF who can catch the ball is a must, but let's not get the 2006 version of Tony Womack just for the sake of a glove. Jay Payton should be cheap and can hold the fort until the kids are ready.
I think that may have been a reason for his ALDS woes. If Joe was able to give him some rest at the end of the season (either as a DH, playing only half-games or breaking his streak and sitting him altogether) he may have had something left for the post-season. But since they were in a real pennant race this year, that wasn't possible.
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Alex, I hope you run into A-Rod on the street one day this offseason, so you can tell him that it'll be OK, its not his fault. Should we send him a copy of "Good Will Hunting" to make sure he gets the message?
BTW, things to consider when taking into account the sheer magnitude of A-Rod hate:
1) He does bring some of it on himself with the way he carries himself when things start to go bad...very subjective, I know, but it's rare to see someone so talented seem to shrink so visibly under pressure...it's like his past achievements immediately vanish with every poor at bat, whereas Jeter's struggles never seem to erode his confidence. Alex B described this very well in his entry.
I remember thinking before his last at-bat "boy, wouldn't a double play be the ultimate downer for his reputation", and like a sharp stick in the eye, there it came.
2) There is a very vocal contingent of fans and writers based in a certain area to the north that seems especially vested in A-Rod's failure, not only as a player, but as an overall human being. This accounts for the particularly strident and personal nature of the attacks.
When Rodriguez hit into that dp, I was furious. Just furious. When they showed his mug up on the television, all I could do is give him the finger and mutter like a maniac about how I never want to see his face again.
Earlier that night, in the bar, my impassioned antics prompted one person to ask whether I had boatloads of money on the game or was just a fan. The latter, I said.
The point being that baseball is what it is precisely because its appeal is more mythic than rational. Does it make sense to crucify the poor bastard? No, of course not. But for some deep reason, his crucifixion is damn near irresistible for many of us, at least in the heat of the moment.
Even as my rational side has been telling me for months and months that this team had no business being in the postseason, let alone contending for a championship, once it happened, my irrational side took over, thirsting for some of the old magic. Rodgriguez just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
As for A-Rod...I do feel for him. He was almost in tears after that last game. I get the feeling that the pressure gets worse each time he goes up there. There's no way he misses that easy catch in a normal game.
He's always struck me as being more, well, psychologically fragile than, say, Jeter. But I wouldn't consider him a failure. Even if we never use him in the postseason, he's worth keeping around (as someone suggested we do with Flash Gordon). And I think he'll break through eventually, and then he'll relax and be fine.
Rodriguez has yet to have that mythic moment, the one that would absolve him from any future failures. Again, it's not rational, but that's the way it is.
I don't know what Kirk Gibson's lifetime stats are, but I do know he was called upon in a clutch situation in the '88 Series. (And in the '84 Series) - That's how I remember Kirk Gibson.
I can't remember if Paul O'Neil had a good year in '97, but I do remember how he stretched a single into a double in the ALDS when the season was on the line - That's how I remember Paul O'Neill.
I don't know if Jack Morris has HOF stats, but I do know he pitched a 10 inning shutout in the Game 7 of the '91 Series - That's how I remember Jack Morris.
My memories of Scott Brosius are on back-to-back nights in the '01 Series. That's how I remember Brosius.
Maybe I just have a selective memory. Or maybe, it's just natural to remember how players react on the brightest stage, when thier team's season is on the line.
None of the 4 players I mentioned will ever make it to Cooperstown and, granted, A-Rod is a 1st ballot shoe-in with the numbers he has today.
But if A-Rod's career ended today, how would you remember him?
I'd remember the double-play.
Really? So in your universe, trading A-Rod straight up for Chris Burke would be an absolute steal right about now?
You know goldfish only have a 3 second memory? So that by the time they get to the other end of their tank, it's all new to them again.
1) The walk against Benitez.
2) Getting thrown out at third in the first inning of Game 7. It was the right risk to take and displayed tremendous guts and determination, just didn't work out.
3) Hitting the bloop to left field earlier in the same series to get driven in (by Tino or Brosius, forget which one). Sure, it was just a bloop, but he didn't strike out.
So what does all this mean? Could just be dumb luck or vodoo, but it does indeed seem to me that there's something to be said for O'Neill's play in "clutch" situations.
That being said, there's no reason to bury A-Rod as a failure. That's shortsighted and foolish.
Right. It does. That's exactly what we're talking about. There are two general ways of appreciating baseball. One is in reference to facts, the other is in reference to myth. Those inclined towards the latter are likely to have a rationally skewed, albeit no less emotionally real perception and experience of baseball.
If you want to argue that we shouldn't see baseball mythically, fine, but you can't just point out that we're engaging in selective memory when I think we're pretty well aware that we're not exactly relying on statistics.
Shawn has a point. People do have selective memories. It's part of being human. I fear jdasilva is right, too. It's not just the fans who are making unflattering comparisons.
He's also right that it's shortsighted to give up on A-Rod. Give him more time. Ditto Matsui. He's still getting used to American pitching. Heck, even Randy Johnson may improve next year.
There's the old selective memory again. I just remembered it was early on in the game so it came to mind as the first.
The comment above about being picked up is exactly on target. In years past the Yankees seemed to work well in cycles. When some guys went cold, others would heat up and pick them up. This year it seemed like the whole team would go cold at the same time. It happened in the ALDS and A-Rod, being the best and highest paid takes the blame. If Sheff, Matsui and others had hit well it wouldn't be an issue at all.
While I was furious at that DP in the 9th, I don't judge A-Rod as a person because of it. I'm pretty sure he wanted to do anything but hit into a DP there. As someone who's played some competitive sports and had a fair share of choke moments, I realize it doesn't represent a personal failing.
Part of it is the expectations game. If you're supposed to be the best player on the team, and you "play like a dog"...might as well slap on the "kick me" sign. No one's going to blame the loss on John Flaherty, Bubba Crosby, or Chien-Ming Wang. It's the Randy Johnsons and the A-Rods that end up being the whipping boys.
Agree about the lack of teamwork. More and more, I'm starting to think that's what the Yankees need most. They just never seemed to be on the same wavelength - never quite jelled.
Yes, it is true that other Yankees are being blamed a bit, but no one is saying that Sheff isn't a true Yankee, or Matsui, etc. I agree that they should not be blamed that much either, I merely state that A-Rod shouldn't be blamed as much as he has been. Its unfair.
Its weird to talk about teamwork in baseball, because so much of it is individual battles yet the 90s Yankees seemed to have that quality. Sometimes I wonder if it was just good luck but it seems like more than that. I wonder what's lacking with this team.
Game 2 2004 ALDS, ARod hit a double that bounces over the center field wall to drive in the tying run in the bottom of the 12th. He also had a home run in that game and a few RBI.
Game 4 of that series, ARod singlehandedly (well, with help from Lohse) scored the winning run by hitting a double, stealing third, and scoring on a wild pitch.
There's a ton of reasons why this team didn't get it done against the Angels. From the real (not executing offensively with runners on base), to the perceived (maybe the pennant race going down to the wire took too much out of them?). Personally, I'm not convinced that it was a lack of teamwork issue.
It probably didn't help that a lot of players who are considered "true Yankees" - Jeter, Mariano, Posada - had pretty good postseasons. Bernie and Tino didn't, but they were slumping before the postseason - in the twilight of their careers. No one really expected much from them.
The '90s teams did seem to have teamwork. They strung the hits together and scored, even though individually, the batters weren't as good as the ones we have now.
The 2005 team had a lot of individual stars, but they didn't seem to work together that well. So many little things - Bernie missing that signal, Sheff and Bubba running into each other, an ace pitcher who can't work with the regular catcher. And so many runners left stranded.
One more thing -- I guarantee you that Rodríguez accepts the criticism as part of the territory. He'll be fine.
I certainly don't blame A-Rod for the loss. But his performance was easily the biggest disappointment. The guy went from being the Yankees' top hitter in the regular season to being almost the worst (behind Bubba Crosby in SLG). The only other meltdown that came close to being as bad was Randy Johnson. And for Randy, it was just one bad night. It wasn't just one night for A-rod. And it wasn't just hitting. He had that awful error on defense, too, and that baserunning blunder (which was predicted before he did it by at least one person in one of the game threads here). It wasn't just a slump, and it wasn't just bad luck. The pressure was getting to him, and it affected all aspects of his game.
But that doesn't mean he's a bad person, and it doesn't mean he won't one day be successful. And he'll be embraced by the fans and the media when he is. Giambi was welcomed back with open arms when he started producing, and A-Rod will be, too.
of the season, Joe Torre would've loved to give
him some days off even earlier in the late sea-
son, but he is not allowed to. Matsui has a
continuous game streak going. It is too bad,
because he needs some rest during the season,
but the Yankees can't benefit by allowing him
to have it.
How long does it take to get used to "American" pitching. Matsui has had three years. Does it take longer to get used to "American" post-season pitching than to "American" regular season pitching?
I don't expect him to go back to hitting 50 homers a year, but I think he may still improve. He didn't see the kind of breaking balls in Japan that they throw here. Heck, I'd expect an American player to still be improving his third year in the majors, so why not Matsui?
Pitching is always better in the post-season, but I don't think that was his problem. I think he was tired. Torre expressed concern about that in August and September, but couldn't do much about it.
Tuffy Rhodes also hit 50 home runs in Japan. Yes, there is some adjustment to playing in a new league, though for some reason, AL hitters seem to adjust to NL pitching more quickly than the reverse.
That said, we've seen what Matsui can do. He had his career year in 2004 and, unless he defies all typical trends, is poised to head into the decline phase of his career. My sense is that that the 3 year/35.5 million deal that is currently being suggested is a new sign of fiscal common sense for the Yankees. Three years ago, they'd have given him a 6 year deal.
Matsui is probably as streaky a hitter as I've ever seen. When he's on, he's a scary as any hitter in baseall. He hits everything hard and to all fields. When he's off, he's a double play machine.
I remember when O'Neill popped up a bunt againt the Braves in the WS and walked back to the dubout, thereby getting doubled up. I remember O'Neill going 4-6-3 against the Mets with the game on the line before Vizcaino bailed him out. If you can remember one Paul O'Neill hr in a World Series game, I'll give you a million dollars.
This is not meant to rip O'Neill. That's just how baseball works.
ARod is a great player who had a bat 15 at-bats. This should not be shocking to a fan of baseball, it happens all the time. Steaks and slumps, streaks and slumps.
My observation is that Matsui is constantly referred to as a "steady" ballplayer, but, like you said, he's very streaky. I think most observers confuse his personality with his ability.
He also quickly established a rep as a good fielder because, I guess, he wasn't as bad as Todd Hundely or Glenallen Hill. Anybody who watches the games knows he's simply not a good outfielder.
I also find it somewhat amusing that Matsui receives no blame for Yankee title "drought." It's Giambi's fault, it's Unit's fault, it's ARod's fault, it's Mussina's fault, it's the curse of Tino (which no longer makes sense), the team has no character, the team has no bullpen, etc. Nobody ever says the Yankees need Chad Curtis back.
(They don't need Chad Curtis back. They also don't need Scott Brosius or Chuck Knoblauch back, for that matter. They just need to get a few more w's in October.)
I think Matsui's best season could still be ahead of him. A lot of players hit well through their mid-30s these days. And Matsui seems willing to do the hard work required to keep on top of his game as he ages.
And speaking of old warhorses...the Rocket is pitching today. Possibly his last game.
And he just hit a single...
Matsui and Sheff both left more men on base this year in the playoffs than Arod. ANd arods obp made up somewhat for his low BA
I do think however, that Alex does not respond to presure well. I would not call him a choker, but I think he plays below his ability when the pressure is on and he thinks 'too much'.
He has had good numbers at some 'clutch' times, but he is a great ballplayer. He simply can't be bad that too often.
I feel for the guy. Because some insane owner offered him a ridiculous amount of money, he is now forever hounded. As has been pointed out, Mays, Mantle, Jackson, Bonds, our friend Paulie, and many other greats have had some bad post-seasons. I'm sure if Alex gets the chance, his PS numbers will conform to his norm.
He is fighting some demons. If he can get his head together, he will be truly scary to watch.
What a bummer this late fall has been. I usually love the PS, but I'm hardly motivated to even check on the scores. The ChiSox are a good team, but boring to watch. I'll bet with neither the Red Sox or Yanks in the PS, a LOT of TV revenue will be lost.
Shit. Let it snow.
I almost feel sorry for the Angels. I don't know if it's karma or what, but the umpires are killing them. All the little things went their way when we played them are going against them now. There were at least three terrible calls tonight that screwed them over.
I think a lot of people are like Mr. Bayless: they may hate the Yankees, but they miss them when they're gone. I seem to recall hearing that the ratings always go up when the Yankees are playing...and losing.
The Subway Series was a ratings bust, but I have very fond memories of it. Even though I didn't see most of the games. My parents had picked that week to come up for a visit. They wanted to see New York City, so I got us hotel rooms, Broadway tickets, etc. The usual out of towner things. Everywhere we went, people were talking about the Yankees. In the elevator, total strangers would ask us if we knew the score of the game. The taxi driver who took us to Times Square asked us if we preferred the Mets or the Yanks, and spent the whole drive talking about why he liked the Yanks. Times Square was like a huge block party. Cars were parked with the game blasting on their radios and all the doors open. The cops who were supposed to be on patrol were instead glued to the windows of bars and restaurants, watching the game on the TVs inside. Every time the Yankees scored, people would run out of the bars and lean out of their cars to scream the score to passers-by, who would cheer loudly.
My parents now think NYC is the friendliest city on the planet. :)
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After watching the work of Contreras, Garland, Buehrle, and Garcia, there is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that the Yanks and Red Sox are quite where they deserve to be.
Last years MVP, took the apple, in both the LDS and ALCS. I guess, even the big boys,go into a slump once in awhile. Good pitching always trumps good hitters.
Notwithstanding, I still believe the Yanks should have beaten the Angels.
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