Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Game Two
2005-10-05 16:51
by Cliff Corcoran
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The big question entering tonight's match-up between Chien-Ming Wang and John Lackey concerns whom Joe Torre should start at first base, designated hitter and in center field. I'll take the third part first. Torre should start Bernie Williams in center, there's really not much debate to be had. Wang's ground ball rates are so extreme that Williams could play the entire game without having more than a chance or two in the field. Most of the action Bernie's likely to see will come on base hits, most of which either shoot through the holes to the corner outfielders, or will be grounders up the middle (assuming they can get past Wang himself) that will be hits long before Bernie gets to them, and which Bernie will be charging anyway, reducing the length of whatever throw he'll have to make. Thus there's no need to force the Yankee line-up to carry Bubba's bat against a man many consider the Angels' best pitcher entering this series.

Before I get to the 1B/DH situation, let's explore that belief. Among the four men in the Angels' ALDS rotation, Lackey is first in K/9 (8.57) and homers (a mere 13), and second in ERA (3.44), but last in BB/9 (3.09) and WHIP (1.33, tied with Jarrod Washburn). None of those numbers are terrible. What they really tell us is that there's no clear ace on this staff. I still believe Bartolo Colon has the most potential to be dominant, as he was last night after the first two innings. An argument could even be made for Paul Byrd, who despite missing the entire 2003 season due to injury, has been a top-line pitcher ever since his break-out campaign with the Royals in 2002 at the age of 31.

What has everyone so excited about Lackey is likely his age and potential for improvement. Just 26, Lackey experienced a dramatic up-tick in his strikeout rate this year to combine with a two-year decrease in home runs allowed from 31 in 2003 to just 13 this year. He also recovered from a shaky April to post a 2.57 second-half ERA, going 8-1 over the season's final three months

That said, I doubt Jason Giambi had those stats in mind when he remarked after last night's game that Lackey was sure to win a Cy Young award if he kept improving his game the way he has. Nor do I think Giambi was basing that evaluation on his personal experiences hitting against Lackey. Giambi is 10 for 20 with a double and a pair of homers against Lackey, which is one reason I think the Yankees can afford to stick him at DH tonight. Giambi's production may decrease when he sits between at-bats, but his success against Lackey should counteract that. Meanwhile, though Tino Martinez hasn't actually been all that much better than Giambi in the field this year (91 Rate to Giambi's 88, with both men at -8 Fielding Runs Against Average), the sheer volume of ground balls the Angels are likely to hit tonight will likely expose Giambi's inferiority in the field, no matter how slight. For evidence, all we need to do is look back to Wang's last start.

The only problem with starting Tino at first is that unlike with the centerfield situation, where Bubba can come in as a defensive replacement if Wang hands a lead to the bullpen (and make no mistake, Bubba should come in as soon as Torre takes the ball from his starter unless the Yankees are behind—Bernie has hit a solid 5 for 17 against Lackey with two doubles and a homer), Torre can't move Giambi into the field in the late innings without sacrificing the DH. Still, I think it's worth a shot. Yes, Ruben Sierra has gone 3 for 8 against lackey with a home run, but that makes even the other tiny samples I've quoted seem large. What's more, the Ruben Sierra the Yankees have this postseason is not the same one that produced that line against Lackey, even if the Angel starter has only been in the league since 2002. Sierra missed most of the season due to a pair of injuries and has yet to find his stroke since returning. It would be a Scioscia-level mistake for Torre to put Ruben's name in the line-up regardless of how well he matches up against a given pitcher.

Tonight will be Lackey's first postseason start since his Game Seven win as a rookie in the 2002 World Series. He's faced the Yankees twice this year, picking up a win both times and assembling this line: 11 2/3 IP, 12 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 0 HR, 5 BB, 12 K. The one thing to watch out for with Lackey facing the Yankees is that the Yanks have been able to make him work, both times driving him from the game in the sixth due to a pitch count over 100. Indeed, Lackey is the one Angel starter that the Yankees can effectively work the count against (Byrd, for example, is almost Wellsian in his refusal to issue a base on balls). The only problem there is that the Angel bullpen is so dominant that the Yankees actually decrease their chances of scoring by driving Lackey from the game after the fifth inning.

As for Wang, this is not only his first postseason start, but also the first time he's face the Angels. Of course, as a rookie, Wang's season has been full of firsts, and he's taken them all in stride. The lone exception being a brief bout of nerves in the first inning of his previous start against the Red Sox, but, other than a brief issue with his control, he pitched well enough to win that game, holding the majors' best offense to three earned runs in 6 2/3 innings. My only concern is that the Angels are exactly the type of team that can cause trouble for a groundball pitcher such as Wang. They make a lot of contact, which is fine as Wang pitches to contact, but they also have a lot of speed throughout their line-up. The only team that really managed to get to Wang this season was the Devil Rays. Of course the D-Rays got to all of the Yankee pitchers, but against Wang it was their speed, not their power that was the problem. The Devil Rays were the only team other than the Cardinals (against whom Wang was abandoned by his defense) to collect more than a hit per inning against Wang this season.

Game time is 10 p.m. eastern. If the Yanks can pull out another win they'll return home with a chance to sweep with Randy Johnson on the mound.


Here are the line-ups. Torre got it right again. Scioscia drops Erstad behind Molina and Rivera, but there appears to be some confusion as to where Anderson and Rivera are starting [Update: Anderson's in left again, Erstad is actually hitting ahead of Rivera, cleary YES's Angels sources are not as reliable as their Yankee sources]:


R - Derek Jeter (SS)
R - Alex Rodriguez (3B)
L - Jason Giambi (DH)
R - Gary Sheffield (RF)
L - Hideki Matsui (LF)
L - Robinson Cano (2B)
S - Bernie Williams (CF)
S - Jorge Posada (C)
L - Tino Martinez (1B)

R - Chien-Ming Wang (P)


S - Chone Figgins (3B)
R - Orlando Cabrera (SS)
L - Garret Anderson (LF)
R - Vlad Guerrero (RF)
R - Bengie Molina (C)
L - Darin Erstad (1B)
R - Juan Rivera (DH)
L - Steve Finley (CF)
L - Adam Kennedy (2B)

R - John Lackey (P)

Comments (456)
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2005-10-05 17:06:39
1.   rbj
Nice analysis Cliff, and not just because it mirrors my thinking re: CF, 1B, DH. Looks like Torre reads the blog as well.
Hi Joe! Crush the Angels tonight.
So who's staying up to watch tonight? I'm going to bed at 11 pm, gotta get up at 6:30 and this game isn't too important.
2005-10-05 17:06:55
2.   Max
Nice job, Cliff! Lineups look good, and your writing continues to be must-reading for the tense wait before these playoff games.

With Wang, you're right that Tampa's speed was problematic, but along with that, I thought the Tropicana turf had a lot to do with the issues he had. The one loss he had at home, he gave up two homers to Cantu and was also let down by a Jeter error.

I hope the Angels don't accomplish anything like what the Rays did all season with Wang, or (as in the case of the last win against the Rays), I hope we can find a way to nick Lackey and at least one member of the bullpen. I don't think we'll be shutting down the Halos tonight.

2005-10-05 17:08:52
3.   Schteeve
Cliff you have both Giambi and Bernie listed as DH. I'm assuming it's Jason?
2005-10-05 17:16:26
4.   Bill
It has occurred to me before that Joe seems to be a better tactical manager in the post-season than the regular season. Perhaps he decides that it's timke to put aside things like stability, loyalty, etc.
2005-10-05 17:18:17
5.   tocho
I have a bad feeling about this game. Despite a very strong outing by Wang 7IP 3 ER, the Yanks' offense will be sleepwalking all over the place and will not be able to score any runs (the jetlag will finally hit them).

I hope I'm wrong and I'll stay positive, but that's my feeling...

2005-10-05 17:24:28
6.   Cliff Corcoran
Fixed Bernie to CF, sorry, copied the bulk of the line-up from last night's post.

Bill, excellent point. Most of my memories of Torre making particularly astute moves are from the postseason. Then again, there was Game 4 of the 2003 WS, that was a disaster for more reasons than Jeff Weaver.

Tocho, funny you mention the jet lag. Yesterday's game was at 8:00 EST, which might have helped the Yanks in the jet lag dept. Tonight's is 10:00 EST, which just might have them dragging some. Hopefully they all slept in this morning.

RBJ & Max, thanks.

2005-10-05 17:29:50
7.   atc
Cliff, I get all the logic behind tonight's lineup construction, I just don't want to have nightmares of an Angels 1st-to-3rd merry-go-round.
2005-10-05 17:36:05
8.   rilkefan
"I doubt Jason Giambi had those stats in mind..."

Cliff, was that line of thought leading somewhere?

2005-10-05 17:37:49
9.   Bill
Graffanino makes a bad error and these jokers on TV start talking about lack of playoff experience. The fact that Tony has played in 5 post-season series seems to elude them, but I suppose having played in them for someone other than the Yanks or Red Sox doesn't count.
2005-10-05 17:40:05
10.   rbs10025
Re 4

Supposedly during the 1996 playoffs Torre was about to (or not about to) make a move because he was thinking in terms of the regular season, where you have to manage your pen for the long season. But Zim said WTF, you have to manage to win tonight's game and always tonight's game.

So yes, I think Torre has a quicker hook and somewhat less loyalty to his vets' playing time come the postseason. Take a look at last night where he yanked Leiter after 2 batters instead of trying to eke another out or two out of him. The last 2 times I saw Leiter out there, Joe left him inthe game a little too long and ended up paying for it.

Yes! Sox-Sox are now tied up.

2005-10-05 17:40:16
11.   BklynBomber
White Sox just put up a 5 spot against FatMan.

5-4 ChiSox

2005-10-05 17:40:47
12.   tocho
atc, I agree with you, I mean its not like Bubba has Vlad's arm out there (did you see it last night, incredible), but he certainly can field and throw better than Bernie. I don't want to have those nightmares either, but I understand the benefit of having Bernie's bat.

BTW the bottom part of the line-up is speedy Bernie, JoPo and Tino. Lots of DP's.

3-run HR by the White Sox 5-4 lead in the 5th. Take that you fat bastard!!

2005-10-05 17:40:51
13.   rbs10025
What am I saying. The Pale Hose now have a lead.
2005-10-05 17:43:37
14.   Cliff Corcoran
Rilke, not sure what you mean, you've quoted a transition. I used that phrase to get from talking about Lackey's strong late-season performance to my rational for DHing Giambi despite his inferior production at that position.
2005-10-05 17:46:58
15.   rilkefan
Ok, I thought maybe there was something batters or whoever see beyond the stats - maybe Lackey has a tell he can overcome, or one pitch he shouldn't throw to Giambi, or incredible stuff but poor selection.
2005-10-05 17:47:02
16.   Schteeve
i really can't believe the White Sox right now.

And can we give this "small ball" shit a rest, how many hom runs did they hit last night?

2005-10-05 17:52:16
17.   BklynBomber
Re: small ball — one of the most amazing stats of the year is how the ChiSox out-homered Boston. Good quote from Ozzie, in a dig at the Red Sox: "Would you rather have 2 guys hitting 50 HRs, or 5 guys hitting 20?"
2005-10-05 17:55:55
18.   tocho
Wells is huffing and puffing right now. But the Bosox shouldn't worry they have their youngsters Wakefield and Schilling coming up after the rookie Wells, and if they all deliver Clement will be there at Chicago for Game 5!
2005-10-05 17:58:19
19.   Schteeve
i think Ozzie is kinda a wack job.
2005-10-05 17:59:27
20.   tocho
Imagine being a Padre fan, your starting pitcher for Game 2 is Pedro Astacio...
2005-10-05 18:06:39
21.   tocho
I've never heard anybody's take here on using the shift v. Ortiz. Everybody in the league uses it except the Yanks. I'm generally opposed to the idea and can't understand why the batter doesn't bunt but given that Ortiz does not bunt when the shift is on, it would probably make sense...
2005-10-05 18:07:18
22.   Cliff Corcoran
Buehrle just got Ortiz to ground out to end the seventh. That should be his last AB of the game if Buehrle and the pen can hold it.
2005-10-05 18:11:30
23.   Cliff Corcoran
Having seen the shift work against Giambi (and against Ortiz in the game going on now), I'd be in favor of the Yanks using it. In fact, I think they're foolish not to. If Ortiz bunts for a hit he prevents himself from getting an extra base hit. Play the OF straight away, however, he goes to all fields in the air (a factor of shooting for homers over the Monster).
2005-10-05 18:15:41
24.   tocho
Thanks Cliff, I agree.

Manny coming up, they shouldn't let this guy beat them. They are bringing in Jenks who can pump-up fastballs.

2005-10-05 18:20:26
25.   Schteeve
Sutcliffe once almost wet himself saying how Bobby Jenks NEEDED to change his name. And everyone else in the booth was like, "Huh?" And then finally they were like, "You know that's not how you spell or pronounce 'jinx'."
2005-10-05 18:35:03
26.   watziznehm2
Thats a great one Schteeve....Sutcliff is an idiot.
2005-10-05 18:39:59
27.   BklynBomber
5-4 ChiSox. Final.
2005-10-05 18:40:30
28.   Cliff Corcoran
Sox win! Sox are down 0-2. Wow.
2005-10-05 18:41:43
29.   atc
Think Red Sox fans still like their draw?
2005-10-05 18:42:17
30.   Zack
Great that Sox are down 0-2, love it. Wouldn't surprise me to see them win the next two in Fenway though...
2005-10-05 18:43:27
31.   mikeplugh
Oh how I love the Red Sox down 0-2. Oh joy, oh rapture. Oh great King of Baseball Goodness, please bring X-Mas early this year. The Yankees in the Series and the Red Sox contemplating the fleeting nature of success as their kids count their Halloween candy on the living room floors.
2005-10-05 18:45:26
32.   joe in boston
Wow. Sox down 0-2. I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from my neighbors. Cliff, nice write up. Let's go Yanks ! Hope you all took a nap today !
2005-10-05 18:47:21
33.   Schteeve
umm anyone remember a certain team being down THREE games in a LCS and coming back to win? Let's don't stick the fork in them just yet, before they pull another Count Dracula number like they did last year.
2005-10-05 18:51:14
34.   Mattpat11
Come on everybody, Wang Chung Tonight
2005-10-05 18:57:28
35.   Bill
Kay and Justice carefully and accurately explained Joe's lineup choices. He must have gone over it with them at length. Otherwise they would have chalked it up to Tino's clutch veteranship.
2005-10-05 19:01:19
36.   Zack
Here we go
2005-10-05 19:02:26
37.   Rich
Game on.
2005-10-05 19:03:33
38.   tocho
What a frustrating game for the BlowSux, leading 4-0 and having an implosion inning is the worst. I do not feel sorry for them, but I also do not think that they will go down so easily. Its up to Wakefield to pick them up, I hope he fails big time.


2005-10-05 19:04:06
39.   marc
Matt, it's pronounced Wong Chang tonight.
2005-10-05 19:04:14
40.   joe in boston
Wang looks about 16 years old - think he's as nervous as I am ?
2005-10-05 19:04:35
41.   randym77
I have to get up at 6 am tomorrow, but I'm staying up for this game. Sleep is for wimps. ;-)
2005-10-05 19:05:10
42.   Rich
Wang is cool.
2005-10-05 19:06:46
43.   Schteeve
has the game started? I'm still at work on Game cast
2005-10-05 19:07:22
44.   bostonsux
I agree randym, I'm pulling an all-nighter because I pissed the day away watching baseball, but screw it, GO YANKS!
2005-10-05 19:08:35
45.   bostonsux
8 out of the 10 espn pundits have the angels winning, as do the guys over at RLYB, let's hope the yanks stick it to 'em all. 2-0 going back to NY with the unit on the mound sounds pretty sweet to me.
2005-10-05 19:08:53
46.   marc
I hope since it's a playoff game Jon Miller and Joe Morgan wont go blathering about irrelevant conversations oblivious to the fact there's a baseball game going on that they're supposed to be calling.
2005-10-05 19:11:02
47.   atc
What's up with the haze or is it just my t.v.?
2005-10-05 19:11:37
48.   bostonsux
pre game fireworks i'd guess....
2005-10-05 19:13:04
49.   Rich
A-Rod has had some shitty ABs.
2005-10-05 19:13:23
50.   BklynBomber
atc — that's smog...
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2005-10-05 19:13:34
51.   Schteeve
Joe: That's right Jon, blah blah blah Aparicio, Big Red Machine, blah blah blah.

Jon: The great Joe Morgan everybody.

Joe: Also, Bay Area, My friend Barry, blah blah blah, Billy Beane wrote a book that's wrong, small ball, Big Papi MVP, blah blah blah.

Jon: You never CEASE to amaze me! Ladies and gentlemen, the GREAT Joe Morgan.

Joe: That's right.

2005-10-05 19:13:47
52.   joe in boston
Man, Giambi is just ripping at the ball. Even his fouls look good
2005-10-05 19:15:29
53.   Mattpat11
bad inning
2005-10-05 19:15:39
54.   Cliff Corcoran
Two questions:

1) was that Wil Nieves talking to Cano? He's traveling with the team?

2) was that A on the mound there yesterday?

Also, what was Rodriguez doing swinging at the first pitch after Jeter worked Lackey over?

2005-10-05 19:16:38
55.   randym77
Sheesh. I hope he brought a lot of extra bats.
2005-10-05 19:18:15
56.   atc
Cliff, anything that keeps Sierra from talking to Cano and giving him advice is a good thing.
2005-10-05 19:18:44
57.   tocho
Wang will be fine, he just needs to throw strikes.
2005-10-05 19:19:04
58.   Cliff Corcoran
Wang's got the ball low and crisp. Good sign.
2005-10-05 19:20:26
59.   vockins
Shows bunt? Jeez...
2005-10-05 19:20:30
60.   joe in boston
God, I'm already sick of these announcers... Joe Morgan: "Cutter outside....cutter...."
2005-10-05 19:21:53
61.   atc
hell of an inning
2005-10-05 19:22:03
62.   Mattpat11
Nice inning.
2005-10-05 19:22:04
63.   Rich
Wang's stuff looks nasty.
2005-10-05 19:22:09
64.   Cliff Corcoran
Oh man, three grounders. Lookin' good.
2005-10-05 19:22:11
65.   BklynBomber
Good job, Tiger! Now stick with that script!
2005-10-05 19:22:38
66.   BxSparksNYC
Kid is throwing strikes and keeping it down. Looks good....
2005-10-05 19:24:47
67.   marc
both ptitchers look great so far. will someone breakthrough in the 2nd?
2005-10-05 19:26:26
68.   joe in boston
At this rate, I'll be in bed by midnight. Hopefully with a Yankee win
2005-10-05 19:27:00
69.   Rich
Mat doubles.
2005-10-05 19:27:48
70.   BklynBomber
Series MVP Robbie!
2005-10-05 19:27:54
71.   Rich
2005-10-05 19:28:03
72.   Zack
Cano again!
2005-10-05 19:28:08
73.   Mattpat11
2005-10-05 19:28:32
74.   Cliff Corcoran
Cano and Wang. Outstanding.
2005-10-05 19:28:35
75.   Rich
As I have said before, he is much better when he goes to LF.
2005-10-05 19:29:08
76.   BklynBomber
Columbus 1, Halos 0
2005-10-05 19:29:18
77.   marc
looks like it s the yankees breaking through, cano down the line nice
2005-10-05 19:29:22
78.   Zack
Is there any logic whatsoever to Cano's #'s on the road?
2005-10-05 19:30:33
79.   tocho
Right on Cliff, low, crisp and really fast 95, 96, 94. No jitters whatsoever.
2005-10-05 19:30:58
80.   Cliff Corcoran
Bernie was about a week late on that pitch.

That said, there are so many little mannerisms of his I'll miss when he's gone. The way he lifted up his hands to take that inside curve for a strike is one of them.

2005-10-05 19:31:51
81.   Rich
Bernie has been a great Yankee, but nothing lasts forever.
2005-10-05 19:31:57
82.   Schteeve
if Cano keeps playing like this and the Yankees win at least two playoff series, it's gonna help his ROY chances even though it shouldn't right?
2005-10-05 19:33:16
83.   Rich
No, the RoY voting is over.
2005-10-05 19:33:39
84.   BklynBomber
Good AB, Jorgie!
2005-10-05 19:33:52
85.   Cliff Corcoran
By the way, tons of credit to Torre for moving Cano up to the six spot for the playoffs.
2005-10-05 19:34:23
86.   randym77
Yeah, why is Cano such a road warrior? It's really bizarre, how much better his numbers are on the road.
2005-10-05 19:34:32
87.   Schteeve
jeez, Wang only threw 10 pitches in that first inning? Crikey.
2005-10-05 19:34:39
88.   BklynBomber
Well, at least we made Lackey work a little.
2005-10-05 19:34:42
89.   Mattpat11
That sucked.
2005-10-05 19:34:58
90.   Schteeve
Rich, Thanks. I did not know that.
2005-10-05 19:35:29
91.   Rich
Cano probably relaxed more on the road, but his stats at home improved in Sept.
2005-10-05 19:36:54
92.   Mattpat11
34 pitches for Lackey
2005-10-05 19:37:33
93.   BklynBomber
Position by position matchup for this series from the Pinstripe Bible:

2nd Base: Edge A's

//"... Kennedy has come up big in past postseason series, and you have to worry about Cano's tendency to chase, well, everything."//

Keep hackin', Robbie, keep hackin'.

2005-10-05 19:37:52
94.   Rich
Nice play by Alex. I don't let Vlad beat me.
2005-10-05 19:39:19
95.   joe in boston
How automatic is AROD in the field now ?

What a gun he has.

2005-10-05 19:40:31
96.   atc
Jeter could have walked that Molina grounder over to first
2005-10-05 19:41:24
97.   Harley
I love the good professor (Pinstriped Bible), but lately he's been defending his dire early season predictions re Giambi/the Yanks/etc. with the somewhat surreal "I Was Wrong But I Was Right At The Time."

No you weren't. You were just wrong.

2005-10-05 19:41:49
98.   BklynBomber
Maybe we just go with a 5 man infield when Tiger pitches...
2005-10-05 19:44:35
99.   Mattpat11
2005-10-05 19:44:53
100.   joe in boston
Ah man.

Cano can hit, but his nonchalance in the field really irks me. C'mon this is the POSTSEASON !

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2005-10-05 19:45:15
101.   BklynBomber
Jon Fucking Miller screams at everything as if were the play that ended a season. What a hack.
2005-10-05 19:45:34
102.   tocho
The professor is too analytical now, which is fine, but he's so lost in his stats that he has neglected the fact that the game is played with human beings, not by machines. Players do not automatically repeat paterns and the stats and the history are only there to provide support to the analysis but should not be the sole basis for it.
2005-10-05 19:45:35
103.   atc
Horrible Soriano flashback right there
2005-10-05 19:45:51
104.   nick
great to see Posada walk....Cliff, you're so right on about Bernie--dream outcome for me is that Bernie hits a homer or two, Yanks take it all, then he retires.....I know, I know, don't get ahead of myself.

Speaking of which, anybody notice last night how they list all the #s where Bernie leads all-time postseason and then basically trash him or at least dismiss the accomplishment, cause Mantle had only World Series to rack up the stats--then mention the very next inning how Jeter leads all-time postseason in hits, discussing which fact they practically have orgasms right there in the booth ?

Nothing against Jeter, but Bernie has been every damn bit as important to the Yanks dynasty, and dosn't get the credit--

2005-10-05 19:46:41
105.   bostonsux
i'm trying not to be mad at robbie, but it's hard. his lack of stress is great at the plate, but jesus, how about some intensity in the field?
2005-10-05 19:46:45
106.   Stormer Sports
Wang will get out of it.
2005-10-05 19:47:29
107.   nick
my delay here is terrible....tough play for Cano or no excuse?
2005-10-05 19:47:38
108.   Stormer Sports
We'll get there, chill. All is well.
2005-10-05 19:47:38
109.   randym77
Cano has gotten a lot more patient at the plate. Remember when he used to swing at the first pitch every time, no matter how bad it was? He doesn't do that any more.

But he still spaces out on defense. Sheesh. This inning should be over, dammit.

Wonder what he said to Wang?

2005-10-05 19:48:18
110.   Rich
Taken care of.
2005-10-05 19:48:31
111.   Zack
Wang gets out of it, all ground balls, some just ended up with men on base
2005-10-05 19:48:42
112.   Stormer Sports
Told ya. Wang is on tonight fellas. He's on!
2005-10-05 19:48:45
113.   BklynBomber
Tiger 'The Ice Man' Wang. This guy is cool...
2005-10-05 19:48:52
114.   atc
Nick, no freaking excuse - but he made the play to get out of the inning
2005-10-05 19:48:52
115.   nick
Would we all agree that Womack has a better glove than Belhorn or is it a wash?
2005-10-05 19:49:20
116.   Cliff Corcoran
Eight batters, eight grounders. Wow. By the way, great play by Jeter on Rivera's ball. Without Jeter's effort, Cano doesn't get the chance to make that error. Er, yeah.
2005-10-05 19:49:52
117.   Bill
I'm glad someone else is having Soriano flashbacks with cano. I've been having them for weeks. The combination of great talent and boneheaded play is maddening.
2005-10-05 19:50:12
118.   Schteeve
You know what? Miller is goofy and he's certainly old school, but he isn't a "hack."

Also, Cano does have a bad case of Soriano-itis. I wonder if they take infield practice in Columbus or Newark. Doesn't seem likely.

2005-10-05 19:50:17
119.   Cliff Corcoran
Nick, Womack is a terrible fielder. Bellhorn is far better than him. Bellhorn and Cano, that's more of a wash.
2005-10-05 19:50:57
120.   nick
thanks ATC
2005-10-05 19:51:02
121.   Stormer Sports
Just smoke a bowl, relax and enjoy. Wang will be stong with the force I tell you. Just sit back and let the offense seal it!
2005-10-05 19:52:28
122.   Cliff Corcoran
Schteeve, doesn't seem they teach patience either. Meanwhile, 109, you mean like his last three ABs last night? Or like his second-pitch RBI in the second tonight?
2005-10-05 19:53:38
123.   Schteeve
Did Jeter bark on that called strike three? I'm trying to picture the game.
2005-10-05 19:53:40
124.   yankz
What's Wang's pitch count? We do NOT want to show the world what we excuse as middle relief...
2005-10-05 19:54:24
125.   nick
Cliff--Are Woemack's stats at 2nd THAT bad?-hm, so we have 3 2nd basemen without a defensive replacement among them. Well, it could be worse, we could have Darin Erstad in key spots in our lineup.
2005-10-05 19:54:42
126.   atc
Why don't they have K Zone tonight? If they're going to make us stay up all night and listen to Joe Morgan, can they at least give us the one aspect of their telecast that I enjoy?
2005-10-05 19:55:19
127.   marc
A-Rod nice walk despite the big strike zone
2005-10-05 19:55:26
128.   Rich
Please stop. Cano's defense is OK.
2005-10-05 19:55:30
129.   Bill
Does anyone else think Scioscia is starting to bear a facial resemblance to John McGraw circa 1911?
2005-10-05 19:56:07
130.   Schteeve

It's like 28. Nothing to worry about.

2005-10-05 19:57:26
131.   Cliff Corcoran
Agreed, Rich, as is Bellhorn's. Cano just lapses sometimes. He's 22, that'll happen.
2005-10-05 19:58:34
132.   yankz
Oh man that sucks.
2005-10-05 19:58:48
133.   yankz
Oh i thought it was a DP. Come on Matsui!!
2005-10-05 19:58:55
134.   Schteeve
Anyone who thinks that the Giambi acquisition was a bad idea, is a LUNATIC. The guy is an On base machine, who can also knock the ball out of the park. I love that guy.
2005-10-05 20:01:16
135.   Rich
Tried to pull the outside pitch.
2005-10-05 20:01:42
136.   Stormer Sports
We need some two out hits. Wang will hold it here.
2005-10-05 20:01:43
137.   Bill
After that resume Miller recited, it's hard to believe he would take a weak swing on a 2-0 pitch.
2005-10-05 20:01:49
138.   Mattpat11
we really need more runs
2005-10-05 20:03:35
139.   marc
even with the error Wang only threw 28 pitches thgough 2
2005-10-05 20:03:47
140.   Schteeve
It's the 3rd inning. We'll get some runs.
2005-10-05 20:05:54
141.   Stormer Sports
2005-10-05 20:06:01
142.   yankz
Nothing like a nice strike 'em out- throw 'em out. Beautiful.
2005-10-05 20:06:11
143.   BklynBomber
That was huge! Nice throw, Jorgie!
2005-10-05 20:06:15
144.   Rich
2005-10-05 20:06:30
145.   Stormer Sports
Jorge has been lights out lately.
2005-10-05 20:06:37
146.   Stormer Sports
Jorge has been lights out lately.
2005-10-05 20:06:37
147.   Schteeve
I love the Angels running game. HA HA HA.
2005-10-05 20:06:56
148.   yankz
OK I'm reallllly slow today. I thought he said it was strike 3.
2005-10-05 20:07:34
149.   Stormer Sports
Wang is strong with the force tonight, I told ya.
2005-10-05 20:08:01
150.   Cliff Corcoran
I disagree with Morgan, I think that high fastball to Figgins was called from the bench. Wang hasn't missed like that all night. Oh, and Figgins K was the first Angel at-bat that didn't end in a grounder all night.
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2005-10-05 20:08:03
151.   Bill
Good thing we have our better defensive catcher out there. I love it when small ball goes awry.
2005-10-05 20:08:19
152.   Stormer Sports
How about Chicago tonight huh. I didn't expect that.
2005-10-05 20:08:25
153.   BklynBomber
#148 - yankz, Wang had your back ;-)
2005-10-05 20:08:53
154.   Mattpat11
wow, a fly ball
2005-10-05 20:09:01
155.   Zack
Okay, Sheff caught that one like that on his shoulder hurting?
2005-10-05 20:09:02
156.   Rich
Sheff really has 0 range of motion.
2005-10-05 20:09:04
157.   Cliff Corcoran
I knew that would jinx it. Still, that was an out, with a typical Sheff catch. Hate those.
2005-10-05 20:09:26
158.   Schteeve
Cliff, Where did Jorgie set up?
2005-10-05 20:09:34
159.   Stormer Sports
Wang Wang Wang. Not a bd pitch count. If he can get to the 8th, that would be a recipe for success.
2005-10-05 20:10:28
160.   Stormer Sports
There is nothing wrong with Sheff's shoulder is there?
2005-10-05 20:10:32
161.   Schteeve
Rich, Sheff is almost catatonic. Ya know except for that shotgun swing of his.
2005-10-05 20:12:13
162.   mikeplugh
Sneaking the game at my desk again today. I love this. I feel like I'm in stealth mode.

Jorge got his game back in time for the playoffs. Now we need a little thunder from his bat. (Not that he didn't have an above average season for a MLB catcher, but not the usual Jorgie standard)

2005-10-05 20:13:01
163.   Schteeve
Mike I don't like the fact that you're in Japan and I'm in Chicago and we're both at work.
2005-10-05 20:14:29
164.   Schteeve
Am i the only one who might think that Bubba might be a better hitter at this point than Bernie?
2005-10-05 20:14:33
165.   Rich
It's kind of sad watching Bernie right now.
2005-10-05 20:15:09
166.   Mattpat11
Posada is contributing tonight
2005-10-05 20:15:51
167.   Stormer Sports
I was kind of hoping Tino would come up big right there.
2005-10-05 20:16:31
168.   Stormer Sports
Bernie will come through, I can feel it. It's destiny.
2005-10-05 20:16:38
169.   Mattpat11
big bats coming up for LAoA
2005-10-05 20:16:42
170.   Cliff Corcoran
Schteeve: yes.
2005-10-05 20:16:47
171.   marc
At least we cleaned out the mediocre bottom of our order and have the top of the order going next inning
2005-10-05 20:17:38
172.   mikeplugh
C'mon Tino. First pitch swinging. Lackey is tough and he's thrown 60+ through 4. You have to make him throw you 4 or 5 pitches at least...unless there's one in your happy zone, which is up and a little in for Tino.

Gameday showed that pitch low and slightly away. Take a strike and then let your AB begin. Bad baseball from a 37 year old veteran who should know better.

2005-10-05 20:18:03
173.   Stormer Sports
I actually like that commercial. They guy with the theme music, Its not bad at all. I'l losing it.
2005-10-05 20:19:04
174.   Stormer Sports
He looks like a baby up there.
2005-10-05 20:19:20
175.   marc
I can only only recall one fly ball off Wang and that was an easy out. everything else whether hit or mstly outs has been on the ground so it's certainly going well.
2005-10-05 20:19:54
176.   yankz
Hell yeah Wang!
2005-10-05 20:20:38
177.   Cliff Corcoran
What a play by Cano!!!
2005-10-05 20:20:44
178.   Stormer Sports
Hit Guerrero, hmm. That's odd.

Cano redemtion.

2005-10-05 20:20:49
179.   Rich
Some D by Cano!
2005-10-05 20:20:50
180.   atc
I'll shut up about Cano now
2005-10-05 20:21:07
181.   mikeplugh
Yeah Schteeve....don't kill yourself working late. You need to save your energy for cheering the Yanks. Wang is a keeper.
2005-10-05 20:22:12
182.   mikeplugh
Hitting Guerrero may be A-Rod redemption, no?
2005-10-05 20:22:29
183.   Stormer Sports
Wht did Morgan say the baserunning hurt them? If he isn't going, he's out, right?
2005-10-05 20:22:59
184.   Cliff Corcoran
Well, there was a key fly ball to CF, but Bernie got it. Cano totally made up for his error there, even if he only made that play because he was covering for Vlad's steal, it was still an outstanding play.
2005-10-05 20:23:16
185.   tocho
OK, Wang this was your bad inning. Now, only GB the rest of the way please.
2005-10-05 20:24:14
186.   Cliff Corcoran
Stormer, no, if Vlad isn't going, that's a single up the middle because Cano isn't playing.

Mikeplugh, no, you don't hit a man on purpose in a one-run playoff game.

2005-10-05 20:25:03
187.   mikeplugh astounding 44 pitches thru 4. 11 pitches an inning. Ouch. Someone told the Halos that he throws strikes and that they ought to swing early in the count. Garrett Anderson led off that inning by swinging at the 1st two pitches he saw and grounded out. Bengie Molina swung at pitch 1 and Erstad took a pitch before swinging at #2.

Thank God they forgot about OBP.

2005-10-05 20:25:13
188.   Cliff Corcoran
Should have said "because Cano isn't covering second."
2005-10-05 20:26:09
189.   BxSparksNYC
Great interview (major sarcasim). Miller repeats a question. Brilliant.
2005-10-05 20:26:58
190.   Max
We need more runs...badly.

For those who are curious, the Angels have been shut out six times this year, twice by 1-0 scores.

I don't think we're going to shut them out tonight, though.

2005-10-05 20:27:08
191.   mikeplugh might hit a man in a one run playoff game if it's early, there's no one on, and it's the only guy in the lineup that you're scared of....

You may pitch around him anyway, so why not take your moment to get payback. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's not such a gimme that it wasn't either.

2005-10-05 20:28:15
192.   Schteeve
ok you guys, i'm going home to watch the rest of this....keep the faith.
2005-10-05 20:29:25
193.   Rich
2005-10-05 20:29:38
194.   Cliff Corcoran
Jeter K, Rodriguez BB. Same as the last time they hit. Huh.
2005-10-05 20:31:54
195.   Rich
We MUST score!
2005-10-05 20:32:01
196.   randym77
Nice work, Jason!

Let's go, Yanks! A one-run lead is too close for comfort.

2005-10-05 20:32:01
197.   BklynBomber
OK, Jason! Headups baserunning, there...
2005-10-05 20:32:34
198.   marc
for once a good time to stretch for second for giambi when nobody's covering the base
2005-10-05 20:33:11
199.   mikeplugh
Giambino!!!! Doubles for a shot at Lackey again. Let's go Sheff Boyardee!!! (credit to NoMaas)
2005-10-05 20:34:05
200.   tocho
Hard contact Sheff, hard contact
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2005-10-05 20:34:37
201.   BklynBomber
I'll take it... 2-0
2005-10-05 20:34:44
202.   Rich
Come on, Mat.
2005-10-05 20:36:17
203.   Rich
2005-10-05 20:36:24
204.   Zack
Damn you Chone!
2005-10-05 20:36:30
205.   Cliff Corcoran
Wow, what a play by Figgins. Hats off.
2005-10-05 20:36:34
206.   Bill
Beautiful play by Chone
2005-10-05 20:36:43
207.   BklynBomber
Nice F'in play on both ends, there... Damn!
2005-10-05 20:36:47
208.   BxSparksNYC
Incredible play. Damn
2005-10-05 20:37:05
209.   Mattpat11
crap. That looked like a double.
2005-10-05 20:37:15
210.   marc
we was robbed on big play by figgins
2005-10-05 20:38:05
211.   Bill
Instead of a replay, we get more blather
2005-10-05 20:39:58
212.   Mattpat11
Morgan defending the Yankees here. wow.
2005-10-05 20:40:24
213.   Cliff Corcoran
Wow, first three-ball count of the night for Wang? Amazing.
2005-10-05 20:41:01
214.   Zack
Shit, extra run was huge...Rivera has been killing us this year
2005-10-05 20:41:03
215.   yankz
Ah, shit
2005-10-05 20:41:25
216.   Mattpat11


2005-10-05 20:41:35
217.   Cliff Corcoran
That second run is now even huger-er.
2005-10-05 20:41:49
218.   mikeplugh
Damn Juan Rivera. How could you do that to us...after all we did for you....
2005-10-05 20:43:03
219.   tocho
2005-10-05 20:43:10
220.   Cliff Corcoran
Rivera was 2 for 3 last night.

By the way, fireworks should be banned from ballparks. This smoke is ridiculous.

2005-10-05 20:45:47
221.   Mattpat11
we need to add more runs now. Give Wang some breathing room.
2005-10-05 20:46:20
222.   Cliff Corcoran
Wang is very democratic with his ground balls, it seems no infielder gets two in one inning.

Time to break through against Lackey (85 pitches thus far) and make these late innings a little less stressful.

2005-10-05 20:47:51
223.   Mattpat11
get that fucking monkey away from us
2005-10-05 20:49:17
224.   Mattpat11
I actually fear that monkey. Theres something wrong with me.
2005-10-05 20:49:59
225.   Zack
Bats need to come alive, give Wang some deserved support..Only 58 pitches, all but 17 of which are strikes...keep it up kid!
2005-10-05 20:50:39
226.   Rich
2005-10-05 20:50:49
227.   BklynBomber
If this part of the order can get on base, we can do some damage this inning...

Thank you, Bernie!

2005-10-05 20:51:08
228.   Cliff Corcoran
I think that's the route Anderson took on Cano's double yesterday.
2005-10-05 20:51:43
229.   Mattpat11
What in the hell was that?

That was one of the most bizarre plays Ive seen in weeks. Routine flyball and Finley is no where near it.


2005-10-05 20:51:51
230.   Zack
Wow Posada is slow
2005-10-05 20:53:19
231.   Cliff Corcoran
Another crucial play by the Angel defense. And another big two-out AB for Tino.
2005-10-05 20:53:19
232.   tocho
Is Posada carrying 5 pound bags on his legs?
2005-10-05 20:53:48
233.   Zack
Ok, this game is starting to freak me out, we need to score some runs, I don't like this one bit, not one bit...
2005-10-05 20:54:13
234.   Monkey
Posada is the human rally killer. Ugh.
2005-10-05 20:54:57
235.   Mattpat11
Okay, Jetes, we need this run.
2005-10-05 20:55:09
236.   Rich
Pitching change.
2005-10-05 20:55:22
237.   Cliff Corcoran
Nice job by Tino, drives Lackey from the game. Doesn't get any easier here.
2005-10-05 20:55:29
238.   Zack
And Lacky is out of the game, that helps, albeit not much as Escobar and Shields are good...
2005-10-05 20:56:11
239.   Zack
Anyone else get a little wierded out by those Burger King commercials?
2005-10-05 20:56:44
240.   Cliff Corcoran
Lay off Jorge, aye? That should have been an RBI double, Erstad robbed him. You can't expect your catcher to fly down the line. Posada could lap Molina in a race around the bases.
2005-10-05 20:57:02
241.   randym77
Is there such a thing as a speedy catcher?

Well, Wang is doing his job. Hopefully the offense can get some more runs on the board. Like, now.

2005-10-05 20:57:27
242.   Cliff Corcoran
239 That's like asking if anyone thinks puppies are cute.
2005-10-05 20:57:31
243.   BklynBomber
Zack, yeah, those are creepy... But if I see the Wheaties/Vin Scully one again I'm gonna break something...
2005-10-05 20:57:58
244.   Mattpat11
that was low
2005-10-05 20:58:36
245.   Zack
Cliff, the question is, who would win, Tino, Giambi, or Jorge?

Damn, inning over, crapola...bad night for Jetes at the plate

2005-10-05 20:58:42
246.   BklynBomber
Post #228 was the highlight of a very disappointing inning... No margin for error now.
2005-10-05 20:58:42
247.   Mattpat11

Big bats coming up. I dont like this at all.

2005-10-05 20:58:48
248.   Zack
Cliff, the question is, who would win, Tino, Giambi, or Jorge?

Damn, inning over, crapola...bad night for Jetes at the plate

2005-10-05 20:59:09
249.   Cliff Corcoran
Yup, the Angels pen is nails. It's all on Wang, Gordon and Rivera now (hopefully just Wang and Rivera if not just Wang), I don't think the Yanks are getting another run.
2005-10-05 20:59:15
250.   Rich
Who was Derek Jeter again?
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2005-10-05 21:00:38
251.   Cliff Corcoran
Hmmm. I think Tino. He moves his feet real fast, he just takes itty bitty strides.
2005-10-05 21:01:11
252.   Max
Awful lot to ask of Wang with a razor thin lead and the heart of the order coming up, in a stretch of the game where he usually wobbles a bit.
2005-10-05 21:01:12
253.   BxSparksNYC
I don't think Jeet has ever gotten a hit off of Shield. He's murda anyway with that herky jerky motion....
2005-10-05 21:01:12
254.   Cliff Corcoran
Rich, not fair, Shields was dealing.
2005-10-05 21:01:30
255.   Mattpat11
we cant let OC on the bases.
2005-10-05 21:01:46
256.   BklynBomber
WTF was that????
2005-10-05 21:02:12
257.   Mattpat11
and we do. For Anderson and Vlad. This is giving me some 2002 Deja Vu.
2005-10-05 21:02:21
258.   yankz
Oh god A-rod, why now...
2005-10-05 21:02:21
259.   Cliff Corcoran
Total brain freeze by Rodriguez. That could be disastrous.
2005-10-05 21:02:38
260.   BxSparksNYC
2005-10-05 21:02:39
261.   BklynBomber
OK, Yanks — let's shoot 2!
2005-10-05 21:02:54
262.   atc
Oh shit, here come those fucking noise makers
2005-10-05 21:03:16
263.   yankz
Actually, 253, Jeter had great numbers against Shields (albeit only a few at-bats).
2005-10-05 21:03:21
264.   BklynBomber
Beautiful. Keep it up, Tiger!
2005-10-05 21:03:52
265.   Rich
Do NOT let Vlad beat you.
2005-10-05 21:04:18
266.   BxSparksNYC
1st guess here...I say walk him....
2005-10-05 21:06:05
267.   Cliff Corcoran
HUGE out there. That AB almost made me plotz.
2005-10-05 21:06:09
268.   Mattpat11
We cant let Benjie beat us here
2005-10-05 21:06:38
269.   BxSparksNYC
Thank goodness I was worried there. Yankz - I said that only cuz Jeets looked bad the last 2 times. Shields has raised his game.
2005-10-05 21:06:42
270.   BklynBomber
Vlad's GO should have been the inning. A-Rod will make up for the drama in the top of the 7th!
2005-10-05 21:07:14
271.   Cliff Corcoran
Nice scoop/block by Jorge there!
2005-10-05 21:08:32
272.   Mattpat11
and we do.

Fucking A-Rod damned well better make up for this.

2005-10-05 21:08:52
273.   Zack
Shit shit shit shit, high pitch by Wang, A-Rod's error kills us, once again our defense fails wang, as does our offense...not fair
2005-10-05 21:08:54
274.   Cliff Corcoran
Terrible pitch by Wang. Ouch.
2005-10-05 21:08:59
275.   yankz
Post 259- why do you have to be so right...
2005-10-05 21:09:26
276.   BklynBomber
Fucking Morgan has been waiting for that "up" pitch the whole game. Happy now, shithead?
2005-10-05 21:09:43
277.   Mattpat11
I wan this Series DONE on Friday. I dont care who they have in the pen. we need to beat them
2005-10-05 21:10:07
278.   yankz
Yeah, A-rod leads off, and he has some homering to do.
2005-10-05 21:11:05
279.   Cliff Corcoran
Morgan's explanation for why the Yanks are holding Molina on was the stupidest thing he's said all night. Didnt' even come close to making sense.
2005-10-05 21:11:22
280.   Mattpat11
the momentum is in the totally wrong direction
2005-10-05 21:11:48
281.   atc
Let's GO Arod
2005-10-05 21:12:20
282.   Zack
Wang gets another ground ball, at least one more inning in him, pitch count low but making more mistakes last two innings...Offense neds to finally step up for Wang
2005-10-05 21:12:21
283.   Mattpat11
too little too late
2005-10-05 21:12:23
284.   Cliff Corcoran
Note how important dropping Erstad even just one spot in the line-up has proved to be. Angel fans should cry themselves to sleep over how good this team could be if Scioscia had a clue.
2005-10-05 21:12:24
285.   vockins
Put it out, A-Rod. You owe everybody one.
2005-10-05 21:13:44
286.   Cliff Corcoran
I fear the heart of the order will be swinging for the fences for the rest of the game. The only consolation for that is that a fluke homer is probably the only way they'll score.
2005-10-05 21:13:49
287.   tocho
New ballgame. I still like Wang for a couple of innings more, and the big ones are coming on. A-Rod knows he has to make up for that.
2005-10-05 21:14:27
288.   BklynBomber
A-Rod better deliver a double or a dinger right now!
2005-10-05 21:14:42
289.   Max
Wang giving us just about everything we hoped for. Unfortunately, that was about as hideous an error as you could imagine by A-Rod. Got to get some runs against this bullpen.
2005-10-05 21:14:45
290.   BxSparksNYC
Argument for another day, money player and just a player....
2005-10-05 21:15:26
291.   Zack
Escobar sports the K-Rod glassess...must be an Angels thing...
2005-10-05 21:16:19
292.   Cliff Corcoran
What is with the goggles thing in the Angels bullpen. Weber, Donnelly, K-Rod, now Escobar?
2005-10-05 21:16:37
293.   Mattpat11
Lets get him in, fellas
2005-10-05 21:16:39
294.   BklynBomber
They've decided not to let A-Rod beat them...
2005-10-05 21:16:46
295.   Rich
Lead off walk. Let's go.
2005-10-05 21:16:57
296.   Zack
The normal 2005 yankees offense is back with a 1-8 RISP showing tonight
2005-10-05 21:16:58
297.   yankz
He'd better score.
2005-10-05 21:17:18
298.   Cliff Corcoran
Checking the splits, lefties do pretty well against Escobar.
2005-10-05 21:17:47
299.   Stormer Sports
I have a good feeling about this inning.
2005-10-05 21:17:50
300.   Cliff Corcoran
As does Giambi: .407/.515/.899 in 27 ABs.
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2005-10-05 21:17:56
301.   tocho
i hope A rod doesn't go here
2005-10-05 21:18:28
302.   BxSparksNYC
Escobar is pretty slow to the plate....
2005-10-05 21:18:42
303.   Cliff Corcoran
Escobar is better now than he was with the Jays, however.
2005-10-05 21:19:06
304.   BxSparksNYC
The fastball isn't though...
2005-10-05 21:19:27
305.   BklynBomber
I'm feelin' ya, Storm...
2005-10-05 21:20:16
306.   BxSparksNYC
Giambi looked like he thought that was a strike, whew...
2005-10-05 21:20:19
307.   Cliff Corcoran
Not that I'm complaning, but where was that first ball?
2005-10-05 21:21:26
308.   Zack
Dammit! That backfired, predictable
2005-10-05 21:21:32
309.   Mattpat11
A-Rod has personally lost us this game.

Posada must be jealous.

2005-10-05 21:21:39
310.   Cliff Corcoran
Oops. Credit Scioscia there, but another blunder by Rodriguez.
2005-10-05 21:21:44
311.   JeremyM
A-Rod is choking guys.
2005-10-05 21:21:47
312.   Stormer Sports

Outsmarted my Mike Sciocia, Jesus!

2005-10-05 21:22:00
313.   yankz
Um, shit.
2005-10-05 21:22:15
314.   BxSparksNYC
1-2 and he's running? They've got 2 pitches to waste...arrggghh.
2005-10-05 21:22:23
315.   tocho
Damn, I knew he was going to try to do too much
2005-10-05 21:23:03
316.   Cliff Corcoran
Rodriguez has scored one of the two Yankee runs, you know. You can't ride him too hard. That said, he's clearly the goat right now.
2005-10-05 21:23:06
317.   Stormer Sports
Well, Wang has to hold them again. Come on guys, one run?
2005-10-05 21:23:26
318.   Zack
Damn, inning changes in a play, offense meekly goes down, shaping up for trouble here, as the Angels have the far greater advantage here
2005-10-05 21:23:42
319.   BklynBomber
Damn, tocho — you called it...
2005-10-05 21:24:08
320.   Stormer Sports
Sheff could have really hit that one, damn.
2005-10-05 21:24:57
321.   Mattpat11
Cliff, I dont give a shit if he's scored one of the runs. He's been all but useless to us all series, gave the lead away and ran us out of an inning.
2005-10-05 21:25:33
322.   Stormer Sports

You think Lackey was that tough tonight?

We just need one more run guys, pitching just has to bear down. This next inning we will get something going.

2005-10-05 21:25:51
323.   Cliff Corcoran
Brutal inning. Anyone else notice Wang rubbing his fingers together in the dugout? Think he's feeling those 71 pitches more than he oughta be?

Hope not, because 71 through 6 is fantastic, especially 69% strikes.

2005-10-05 21:26:22
324.   marc
sterling was ragging about the steal also. Must have yelled terrible decision about 12 times.
2005-10-05 21:26:38
325.   Stormer Sports

I would love Wang to go 9 if neccessary, no?

2005-10-05 21:27:10
326.   Zack
Cliff, gotta be thinking blister in the heat adn with a sinkerballer...
2005-10-05 21:27:22
327.   BklynBomber
ESPN Radio's Dave Campbell saying A-Rod may have tipped off his steal attempt and prompted the pitch out by "wiggling his fingers" when getting inching off base... Anyone catch this?
2005-10-05 21:27:38
328.   JeremyM
God, the momentum has really shifted, hasn't it?
2005-10-05 21:27:49
329.   Stormer Sports
Errors are like turnovers in football, if it's close, they usually tell the tale of the outcome. Lets go guys!
2005-10-05 21:27:59
330.   Mattpat11
we're fucked.

Thanks a ton A-Rod.

MVP my ass.

2005-10-05 21:28:32
331.   Cliff Corcoran
Mattpat, weren't you the one brutalizing Jorge in the Boston series? You need to back off a bit. "All series" is a game and a half and hasn't he made some excellent plays in the field?
2005-10-05 21:28:35
332.   BklynBomber
OK. We need a reversal of mo here. Nothing's been breaking our way since the 5th...
2005-10-05 21:29:27
333.   Bill
Wang has been great but you do have to strike some guys out.
2005-10-05 21:29:31
334.   BklynBomber
Like I said...
2005-10-05 21:29:35
335.   Zack
Dammit this is getting one to blame but themselves in this game...
2005-10-05 21:29:41
336.   Stormer Sports
Oh boy, this aint good.
2005-10-05 21:29:57
337.   yankz
Wow, Finley batted a Womack-esque .222 this season.
2005-10-05 21:30:13
338.   JeremyM
Well, this game is done. Dammit.
2005-10-05 21:30:53
339.   yankz
Three errors this game. Enough said.
2005-10-05 21:31:21
340.   Mattpat11
Cliff, this is the playoffs. I expect our "MVP" to maybe occasionally get a hit and not shit the game away in the field.

In fact, I expect the entire team to do that. Is that so much to ask? Get the occasional hit even at the expense of taking a walk (gasp)and dont botch ground balls?

2005-10-05 21:31:30
341.   Stormer Sports
Hey hey. This is far from over.
2005-10-05 21:31:51
342.   BklynBomber
If Wang is gonna get another K, it has to be right here...
2005-10-05 21:32:03
343.   Cliff Corcoran
Angels should squeeze here.
2005-10-05 21:32:08
344.   Monkey
John Miller all but shit his pants with that second bunt. These 2 drive me nuts. Now Chone... fuck
2005-10-05 21:32:24
345.   yankz
2005-10-05 21:32:28
346.   Zack
Gotta think about walking Figgins here to try for the dp
2005-10-05 21:33:09
347.   Stormer Sports
He can throw 97 though, it is funny he has so few strikeouts.

No squeeze, please no.

2005-10-05 21:33:37
348.   yankz
Infield hit, error, bunt. Wang's not done yet.
2005-10-05 21:33:53
349.   JeremyM
Well, I'm exagerrating, but I'm having terrible flashbacks to 2002 right now so you'll have to excuse me!
2005-10-05 21:34:09
350.   Monkey
DP with Chone and Cabrera is rough.
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2005-10-05 21:35:23
351.   Cliff Corcoran
Leiter's warming. Ech.
2005-10-05 21:35:31
352.   Stormer Sports
A K would be wonderful!
2005-10-05 21:35:55
353.   Zack
That ball holding up was huge, gave Bernie time to catch up to it
2005-10-05 21:36:03
354.   Cliff Corcoran
Amazing they didn't run on Bernie.
2005-10-05 21:36:19
355.   Mattpat11
DaVannon apparently didnt recognize Bernie's arm.
2005-10-05 21:36:23
356.   jawone
BIG OUT!! Nice!!
2005-10-05 21:36:30
357.   BklynBomber
Whew!!!!!!! Keep cool, Tiger.... one more.
2005-10-05 21:36:45
358.   yankz
A pinch runner didn't score on a fly ball to Bernie? Life is complete.
2005-10-05 21:36:51
359.   atc
Seriously, how many feet deeper would that have needed to be hit for them to send the runner from 3rd
2005-10-05 21:37:04
360.   Zack
Fuck game over
2005-10-05 21:37:16
361.   Stormer Sports
Oh boy.
2005-10-05 21:37:25
362.   jawone
2005-10-05 21:37:27
363.   jawone
2005-10-05 21:37:40
364.   JeremyM
Does Crosby catch that?
2005-10-05 21:37:41
365.   yankz
I HATE errors.
2005-10-05 21:37:49
366.   Mattpat11
so much for that.

I cant believe this team sometimes. I really cant.

They invent ways to lose sometimes.

2005-10-05 21:37:50
367.   BxSparksNYC
Sadly I was actually pretty scared of Orlando there
2005-10-05 21:38:44
368.   Zack
At least the second game in a row that the team has completely let down Wang and seriously screwed themselves over in terms of their prospects....I mean, come on, this was pathetic...

And now Lieter coming in? ugh. I can't see the Yanks getting two runs off Escobar/Rodriguez

2005-10-05 21:39:06
369.   randym77
I think Wang is tiring. Maybe he doesn't have his endurance back yet, after being out for so long.

Leiter is coming in.

A-rod is trying too hard. He didn't have a very good post-season last year, and I think he's a little anxious.

2005-10-05 21:39:24
370.   Cliff Corcoran
Wang is pitching like a guy with a lot more than 85 pitches under his belt. Leiter coming in. Note that Al owns Vlad (.116/.255/.233). He should face him in the eighth even if he gets Garret here.
2005-10-05 21:39:24
371.   Mattpat11
Im livid now. Absolutely livid. We were winning this game, we were going to sweep, and now we're the keystone kops.
2005-10-05 21:39:49
372.   Stormer Sports
We need to come through late. We can do this. We are going to see K-Rod in the 8th, no?
2005-10-05 21:40:20
373.   BxSparksNYC
3 Errors doesn't win playoff games. Let's hope the offense (against the best bp) really is as scarey as everyone thinks they are....
2005-10-05 21:40:25
374.   Max
Bad Yankees show up tonight. We'll get em at home, guys...though damn, talk about pecking your way to a lead, that was a horrible inning...3 unearned runs, just unbelievable.
2005-10-05 21:40:38
375.   Cliff Corcoran
Three of the four runs scored on Wang were unearned. Sigh.
2005-10-05 21:40:40
376.   BklynBomber
Keep it here and we have a good shot...

Never say die.

2005-10-05 21:41:35
377.   vockins
Dah... Barf.

Wang only has stuff for 85 pitches? Ai...

2005-10-05 21:41:51
378.   JeremyM
A-Rod's post-season was fine last year, although after game 3 of the ALCS it wasn't so good--but it wasn't so good for the entire team.
2005-10-05 21:42:47
379.   Cliff Corcoran
Randym 269, A-Rod was the MVP of the ALDS last year (unofficial) and crushed the ball in the first three games of the ALCS (and wasn't the only one to have a huge fall off after that). Your statement about his postseason performance last year is way off base.

Leiter does the job again. Good stuff.

2005-10-05 21:43:49
380.   Cliff Corcoran
Down two with six outs left against the Angels pen is not a good shot. That said, a bloop (or a walk) and a blast . . .
2005-10-05 21:43:55
381.   Zack
Wang goes 6, gives up 6 hits with no walks, yet 4 runs...clearly something doesn't add up...Oh, right, 3 errors, though Wang's error was basically a hit...

Well, only way to redeem ourselves is to do it now, so lets see what we can do

2005-10-05 21:44:23
382.   Rich
We'll still win.
2005-10-05 21:44:38
383.   tz1
We need some defense dammit!
2005-10-05 21:46:00
384.   Monkey
we'll have to wrap the order around past the soft part if we are to have a chance tonight.
2005-10-05 21:47:08
385.   Zack
hard hit, but no luck, just as all game...not our night clearly
2005-10-05 21:48:12
386.   JeremyM
Starting to seem that way Zack. I still can't get over the play Figgins made to rob Matsui earlier.
2005-10-05 21:48:24
387.   Mattpat11
Yankees going quiently into the night
2005-10-05 21:49:43
388.   Max
Cliff, you're right that A-Rod is taking too much of a beating, but that error was virtually tailor made to damage his reputation -- his detractors couldn't have drawn it up any better short of pulling his pants down while he was losing the ball in the lights.

It's going to be on replays endlessly the next few days until he does something to redeem himself.

2005-10-05 21:50:09
389.   BklynBomber
Bernie has to get on to get Posada out of the way for leading off the 9th ;-)
2005-10-05 21:50:26
390.   Monkey
K-Rod vs. Posada and Tino is not something I look forward to. We got to him once this year (when their pen was totally gassed), maybe we can do it again.
2005-10-05 21:51:04
391.   Zack
PATHETIC! Man, if this is the way we play when Wang pitches, maybe we might as well not start him...
2005-10-05 21:51:07
392.   marc
Ok, it's officially bleek
2005-10-05 21:51:46
393.   randym77
I think he was very disappointed in his performance in those last four games. He wants that jewelry. He's got everything else but that.
2005-10-05 21:53:02
394.   Cliff Corcoran
The only hope for the ninth is that K-Rod is wild and the Yanks draw a bunch of walks then hit some gimme strikes.

Max, you hit the nail on the head. The off day tomorrow is going to be brutal for Rodriguez.

2005-10-05 21:53:52
395.   mikeplugh
Not to worry. If we end up giving this one away it hurts, but the Big Unit in New York will make it 2-1 Yanks and then we have Chacon and Mussina to close it out. They have to pitch Colon once more against us, and whoever else they throw out there will have to do it in Yankee Stadium.

This is f'ed up, but, one it's not over yet, and two we got the split we needed in LA if we whiff.

2005-10-05 21:54:41
396.   Cliff Corcoran
Randym, assuming you're talking about Rodriguez, what four games? He went 3 for 4 with a double and a homer in the penultimate game of the regular season.
2005-10-05 21:56:26
397.   Mattpat11
oh well. Froday's another day.
2005-10-05 21:56:34
398.   Zack
Well that was obvious, can't leave Lieter in for too long...time to shut off the game...
2005-10-05 21:56:40
399.   JeremyM
I knew that was happening. Leiter-fluid served his purpose but Torre got cute.
2005-10-05 21:56:42
400.   Cliff Corcoran
I was gonna say something about leaving Leiter in to face Molina. Joe's first mistake of the series.
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2005-10-05 21:56:53
401.   BxSparksNYC
There goes the bloop and a blast theory....
2005-10-05 21:57:37
402.   jawone
K-Rod better be in overthrowing mode.
2005-10-05 21:57:43
403.   randym77
Dammit. What a waste of some great work by Wang.
2005-10-05 21:57:55
404.   Monkey
It's not an official ball game until Leiter gives up a run.
2005-10-05 21:58:11
405.   marc
I was about to say how Leiter looks surprisingly sharp and then Molina smacked a HR. Molina is killing us. that pitch wasn't bad at all
2005-10-05 21:58:41
406.   mikeplugh
I like the Leiter-fluid comment. I didn't like him staying in the game. Use Proctor and then Embree if you need to extend into another inning. Going Leiter too long will assure disaster. He can't go more than a batter or two before losing it.
2005-10-05 21:59:42
407.   Mattpat11
Max, I'm not sure why you have to be an "A-Rod detractor" to point out that he fucked this game to hell.
2005-10-05 22:00:09
408.   BxSparksNYC
The way this is ending was expected. Angels play great d, Yanks play horrible d. Game Angels. That's playoff baseball right there. I thougth it would go 4 but games like tonight will just eat at me until Friday....sigh
2005-10-05 22:00:13
409.   Cliff Corcoran
Proctor? With an off day tomorrow, why not use Gordon here? Now I know why Leiter was pitching to Molina. Torre needs to remember that trailing in postseason and trailing in the regular season are different animals, you have to prevent every run possible in the playoffs.
2005-10-05 22:01:41
410.   mikeplugh
How often will a team make 3 errors in a post-season game and still win. I'd be curious to hear something from Elias about that. I bet it's like once every 25 years or something. You just can't give away baserunners at this point in the year.

The Yankees won 4 titles and made 6 World Series on that principle. Everytime someone miscued we jumped all over them. So be it. Two games in Yankee Stadium coming right up.

Halos meet The Big Unit.

2005-10-05 22:01:49
411.   JeremyM
My station right now is doing one of those local tests of the emergency system or some crap. I can only assume this is because Proctor is in?
2005-10-05 22:02:01
412.   Cliff Corcoran
Also, can I say again how much batting Molina behind Guerrero has helped this team? Why Scioscia ever had Erstad batting five is beyond me.
2005-10-05 22:03:10
413.   Stormer Sports
Well. This is why we have RJ in game three. Not to worry, a rested Mo, and a rested Gordon, and back to the Bronx.
2005-10-05 22:03:19
414.   Cliff Corcoran
Proctor gets the out. Here we go . .
2005-10-05 22:03:25
415.   atc
Let's make the respectable
2005-10-05 22:04:26
416.   Max
Cliff, you took the words right out of my mouth. Joe joins the blooper parade tonight by leaving Leiter in too long, though it's hard to say that Proctor would have done better.

Though everyone feels poor Wang got robbed, he did contribute to the meltdown with that bad throw to first, and his meatball pitch to Cabrera. It's not like he got beat by a weak groundout or a dying quail over a drawn in infield...his last pitch was right in Cabrera's happy zone.

2005-10-05 22:05:45
417.   BklynBomber
OK, so it's two bloops and a blast. If K-Rod is off, we have a shot. But every pitch has to be contested, no first pitch swinging, etc...

Posada is key here. Has to get on somehow...

2005-10-05 22:06:07
418.   Stormer Sports
Lets go Jorge.
2005-10-05 22:06:09
419.   Cliff Corcoran
Bellhorn replacing Enrique Wilson is a huge upgrade, but this playoff bench is still brutal.
2005-10-05 22:06:39
420.   Mattpat11
You know what? I cant let this upset me so much. We're where we wanted to be at the beginning of the trip.
2005-10-05 22:06:48
421.   BklynBomber
Back to a bloop and a blast ;-)
2005-10-05 22:07:03
422.   Stormer Sports
This gets Arod to the plate. Can someone get on for him?
2005-10-05 22:07:04
423.   JeremyM
That was nice. Very nice. I hope this means F-Rod doesn't have anything.
2005-10-05 22:07:06
424.   Cliff Corcoran
Bloop (or walk) and another blast.
2005-10-05 22:07:17
425.   tz1
2005-10-05 22:07:48
426.   BklynBomber
Tino is key here. Has to get on somehow...
2005-10-05 22:07:51
427.   atc
Get someone on for Arod and he'll come through
2005-10-05 22:07:58
428.   BxSparksNYC
Same pitch Blue come on...
2005-10-05 22:08:20
429.   Stormer Sports
Just get on base. Keep the line moving.
2005-10-05 22:08:26
430.   randym77
Nice work, Jorgie!

Fairly or not, what most people remember most about A-Rod during the collapse is "slapgate." Not what he hoped he would be remembered for, I'm sure.

2005-10-05 22:09:13
431.   Cliff Corcoran
No, K-Rod is dealing. Still, top of the order with just one out, need two runs.
2005-10-05 22:09:31
432.   JeremyM
Jeter needs a hit here, he's been bad so far.
2005-10-05 22:11:11
433.   tz1
come on jeter show us something clutch!!
2005-10-05 22:11:36
434.   BklynBomber
A-Rod is due. He'll get on base...
2005-10-05 22:11:43
435.   Cliff Corcoran
Rodriguez is set up to fail here, even a homer is meaningless unless it's followed by another.
2005-10-05 22:12:20
436.   Stormer Sports
or not.
2005-10-05 22:12:50
437.   tz1
if any two can do it...a-rod and giambi can
2005-10-05 22:15:09
438.   Mattpat11
ah well.
2005-10-05 22:16:07
439.   BklynBomber
Rats! Who knew Figgens would have killed us in the field tonight!
2005-10-05 22:16:53
440.   randym77
Man. The Angels defense was terrific tonight. Gotta give them credit.
2005-10-05 22:16:55
441.   JeremyM
This game came down to defense. Look at how their third baseman, a guy who doesn't even play the position 162 games a year, played the field tonight. Not that I would trade players at all, but it's worth mentioning. Well, hopefully this one game doesn't haunt us, but if they sneak a win versus the Unit we're screwed.
2005-10-05 22:17:44
442.   Cliff Corcoran
See, great at-bat by Alex, hits it sharply down the 3B line and it's the final out. Set up to fail.

Hey, at least my Game 4 tickets just became valid.

Tomorrow I'm taking a break from all this. You'll have my game post in the morning and that'll be it 'til Friday from me.

2005-10-05 22:19:59
443.   Mattpat11
Jeremy, of course you wouldnt trade players, but its so frustrating that the best player in baseball and MVP frontrunner would make such huge mistakes in a critical game.
2005-10-05 22:20:31
444.   JeremyM
Cliff, I think you have the right idea. I don't mind losing when the better team wins, but this throwing games away crap eats me up. Better to ignore it and move on until Friday. Seriously, I've never seen a team that when they lose, it's only because they beat themselves.
2005-10-05 22:22:01
445.   Zack
Well, this games mistakes and missed chances aside, we head to the Stadium where we wanted to be in reality, tied at 1 with two at the stadium and Johnson and Chacon pitching, both of whom pitch well there. Then, of course, we have Moose for game 5, which is a bit scary...though I guess we have Small too, depending on how he gets used if at all..

So Friday's lineup should look like game 1's, no?

2005-10-05 22:22:50
446.   Cliff Corcoran
Absolutely, no excuse for anything else.
2005-10-05 22:27:23
447.   JeremyM
Something tells me Torre panics and pulls the Sierra card...
2005-10-05 22:35:23
448.   marc
Figgins had a great defensive game. He single handedly took away the game along with poor yankee fielding. A great ground ball performance by Wong. After intensive pressure not of his own making Wang finally threw a lousy pitch to Cabrera in the 7th for a crushing 2 rbi hit. I hope this kind of hard luck loss doesn't affect Wang in the future. Not A-Rod's finest moment. Shit if we can't win with a pitching performance like that then when the hell are we going to win? I hope RJ comes up big.
2005-10-05 22:35:52
449.   Max
What kills me is that the Angels didn't really do anything special...they just stuck with the way they played, got some good pitching and some very good defense, and waited for us to crumble.

I don't worry about our ability to score and to pitch, I worry about the mental breakdowns...this was just like the first game at Fenway last week (with Wang on the mound as well). Put it behind us and hope that we're back to being crisp at home.

2005-10-05 22:38:39
450.   marc
Suzyn quoting A-Rod, i'm paraphrasing, "what can I say, it was a routine double play ball and there's no excuse that I just couldn't field it and turn it.
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2005-10-05 22:39:28
451.   Alvaro Espinoza
I think LAA is in for 2 ruthless beatings at the Stadium this weekend. The Yanks are pitching w/ these guys and out-hitting them to boot. Unfortunately, their dinks and dunks fell in tonight and our line drives found leather. But that's baseball. If I'm Torre, I don't deviate from the plan one bit. If LAA takes the series under the offensive juggernaut of Molina/Rivera/Cabrera, so be it. I'll tip my cap. But I think the pinstripes are ripe to explode.

This series ends Saturday (weather permitting).

2005-10-05 22:46:11
452.   tom yf
I agree with you, Alvaro, Joe better stick to the script. This was a game we could and should have won. We're better than this team, and we have a few games here to play more crisply and prove it.

Jeez, Cabrera...makes me sick man, that fool is garbage.

2005-10-05 22:51:19
453.   marc
As I recall they did a lot of unusual stuff also like these high bounces hit off home
plate in crucial dituations. Actually A-Rod didn't do bad at the plate today. I didn't realize he walked 3 times and was officially 0/1 at the plate
2005-10-05 23:01:31
454.   tom yf
With people walking like that and swinging the way they are, the balls will find grass, and our defensive lapses (hopefully) won't prove so critical. Strange: it's the post-season, and this is the best I've felt about a loss all year--maybe I'm still freaking elated that they made it at all?
2005-10-05 23:15:41
455.   The Bear
i have only two feeling for today's game:

first, we have too many errors... it's postseason already, and we can see how one error can cost a game by today's Sox game

if there werent these three errors, the scoreboard could have been 2-1 or 3-1 with the w for us

second, where did out 200 million pay-roll line-up go? Jeter was 0-5, A-Rod 0-2 with 3 BB, Jiambi has 1 h out of 3 w/ one strikeout, which isnt that bad, but Sheff was also silent for the night. in addition to that, we were 1 out of 9 when runners are on scoring position, which mean it could have been much more scores on the board for us.

Wang was great in this game, groundballs after groundballs, if those error werent made and we have a little bit more help from the line-up, we should have been going home with 2-0 instead of a tie!

2005-10-06 08:37:41
456.   Schteeve
Sheff looks tired. Here's hoping the offday does him some good.

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