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2005-09-09 04:45
by Alex Belth

"We have to be better," said Rodriguez, who was 1 for 4 with an infield single. "We expect more out of ourselves. That is just not acceptable. We're better, I'm better, the whole team is better."

"It's just one of those things I don't think you can explain," Derek Jeter said. "They've played better than us. I don't know how many games they've beaten us, but they deserved to win all of them."

..."We have to come out and play better," Jeter said, "because we're running out of games."
(N.Y. Times)

A Bomber blowout? So what do I know? At least I was thinking positively. Instead, it was another pathetic outing against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, as the Yankees were trounced 7-4, and it wasn't even as close as the final score suggests. New York was mastered by Mark Hendrickson--dig it--and their bullpen could not hold Tampa Bay down after Chien-Ming Wang's decent return performance. The four runs they scored in the seventh inning proved to be an abberation as the offense was lousy all night--in four at-bats, Bernie Williams saw a total of five pitches. This is the Yankees?

Apparently so. The Red Sox are in town for three games starting tonight and their offense has been terrific of late--last night's loss notwithstanding (David Ortiz, representing the go-ahead run, struck out with the bases loaded in the eighth inning--Great Googlie Mooglie, the man is human after all). I wish I had a good feeling about Aaron Small tonight but I fear that the Sox will crush him. Hopefully, the Bombers will take two of three, but these days, it's tough to figure what you are doing to get from them on any given day. With just over twenty games remaining they are four behind Boston in the AL East and a half-a-game behind the Indians for the wildcard. They are still very much in it. As down as I feel now, I realize that can all change quickly. Or it could get worse. Ah, these are the pros and cons of hitchhiking, right?

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2005-09-09 05:33:28
1.   joe in boston
Arod's quotes could have been used numerous times this season. I found last night's game very frustrating to watch: too many guys swinging early in the count too many times against (as my dad calls them) a triple A team. They make the Yanks look silly don't they though ?! I really think we need to (somehow) sweep the Sox. It will not be easy. We'll need solid pitching, some big hits, and probably some breaks. Some big breaks. (I'm great at stating the obvious aren't I?!)
2005-09-09 05:34:32
2.   rbj
Glad I was throwing people around last night, and not watching the game. Clutching at the straws of good news, Wang didn't suck, and only got lit up a bit. But can't the hitters do anything against Tampa's pitching? Aside from the two 13 run innings, have they done anything against those guys. Geez.
Need to sweep Boston this weekend.
2005-09-09 05:42:26
3.   Paul in Boston
Hey, I'm going to be in NYC tonight and would love to go to the game. Any advice from you locals about how to get a single ticket? Last time I did this (for Clemens' 300th win, no less), I got a great seat (right behind visitor's dugout) from a scalper for only $20 above list -- this would not be possible at Fenway for a Yankee-Sox game, so I'm hopeful. Any suggestions welcome, gracias.
2005-09-09 05:43:27
4.   STONER
The D-Rays - what a nightmare! On to tonight, I was reading the newspaper this morning and I looked at Smalls sparkling 6-0 record and said to myself, "Man, I hope he doesn't pick tonight to come up with a stinker"... I'd love a sweep of the GagSox, tonight's game is so critical to the Yanks psyche, a win could lead to a sweep.
2005-09-09 05:45:53
5.   STONER
Paul in Boston....
Yeah, make sure you are in a well-lit area of the stadium concourse with lots of people around when you are dealing with a scalper - you won't have any problems getting a ticket, but you will pay handsomely for it.
2005-09-09 06:52:51
6.   rsmith51
It may not have made any difference, but wouldn't yesterday have been a good day to play Phillips? They would have had to play Ruben in the field, but it would have given Torre a chance to put Giambi at DH and rest down the stretch.
2005-09-09 06:54:12
7.   rsmith51
I am also really sick of Torre showcasing how bad Franklin and Proctor can be. Why not try Colter Bean or somebody who could help them in the bullpen? I am not sure if Bean is even on the roster.
2005-09-09 07:05:22
8.   JohnnyC
Trying to figure Torre's use of his pitching staff is pointless, just like his decisions. The man plays 138 games to get to the point where...he has no plan to get through the middle innings of a game he must, must win. Even if the plan was to use Leiter, that is not a plan. That is, essentially, giving games away. 3 runs down with 4 innings to go to make it up, he brings in Wayne Franklin? There is no excuse. Simply no excuse.
2005-09-09 07:12:32
9.   debris
Paul,

A few years ago, just prior to the beginning of a sold out game at Wrigley, I bought a single ticket for below face value from a scalper. They don't like single tickets. They like them even less five minutes before the game starts. They also don't like refusing sales, so if three people approach them 20 minutes before the game, they'll make the sale, which usually will result in someone like you finding himself in luck.

Don't get overanxious. Wait them out. I have also noticed that the eBay value of Yankee-Sox tickets is remarkably lower in the Bronx than in the Fens.

There are, by the way, six singles on eBay right now for tonight, but I don't think you'll have to pay the prices they're asking if you wait til you get there. Good luck.

2005-09-09 07:13:55
10.   debris
Who am I?

Since the All Star break:

6-1 3.18 ERA. 61 innings, 67 hits, 3 walks, 3 HR.

2005-09-09 07:17:01
11.   Alex Belth
Debris, are you a very tall power-forward who looks a bit like a Matt Groeing drawing?
2005-09-09 07:27:11
12.   carl
Any team that gets their ass kicked by Tampa Bay does not belong in the playoffs. If the Yanks could have won 3/4 of their games against Tampa we would be in better shape. If these players and this organization can't find a way to beat Tampa Bay it is a sorry situation. There can be no excuses. Turn out the lights the party is over. It will be time to rethink the whole philosophy of the yankees because the formula does not work any more. I guess we can all do that in October as we will have the time.
2005-09-09 07:43:56
13.   debris
Alex,

Here's a hint. I am not John Kruk, but I ain't no athlete lady, I'm a ballplayer.

I am not Mark Hendrickson, but I do share some physical and personal attributes of a certain donut gobbling, beer-swilling Simpson's character.

2005-09-09 07:55:03
14.   Alex Belth
Dag, Boomski huh?
2005-09-09 08:15:39
15.   debris
The Boomer it is. Brian shoulda signed the Boomer. And Clement. And Papi.

I believe that the Boomer was still available at the time Wright failed his physical.

2005-09-09 08:28:04
16.   bp1
Wouldn't it be just like this team to lose to Tampa Bay and then sweep the Sox?

Man - I hope Sheff gets back in the lineup for tonight.

(sigh)

It's gonna be a long month. Excrutiating.

BP

2005-09-09 08:49:12
17.   Shaun P
I think we all - including the Yanks - need to realize that Tampa Bay is no longer a bad team. They are 7th in the AL in runs scored, a mere 17 runs out of 4th place. Their pitching has improved greatly. Treat them like you would any solid pitcher, from Pedro on down - don't expect to see garbage on the first pitch!

This not taking pitches thing is becoming a trend in game the Yanks "have to win". I don't know how it gets changed - but if it doesn't, we aren't going anywhere.

2005-09-09 09:04:13
18.   scottys boy
alex b.

aka the ferocious beast

2005-09-09 09:34:42
19.   rmd0311
I was actually at the game yesterday and was DUMBFOUNDED to see Torre put in Franklin. I guaranteed my drunk compadres that they would like that lil B$%# up. Torre officially gave up the game at that point. Why must he continue to torture us with LOW LEVEL pitchers that have OVER AND OVER AND OVER again failed us. Is he dumn? Does he not get the point? Franklyn sucks.
2005-09-09 09:42:16
20.   Shaun P
Maybe it would strain his relationship with Torre, but doesn't Cashman have the power as GM to just drop Franklin?
2005-09-09 10:21:28
21.   Zack
Paul, a couple of years ago I managed to leave a playoff ticket at home and was in the lot before I noticed. Got a single ticket for not too much. Just offer a set price, say its all you have, and they will give it to you, like debris said, they hate single tickets, can't get rid of them...
That being said, it might be a game better viewed at a bar where you have access to cheaper beverahes to assuage the pain that is sure to come
2005-09-09 10:23:11
22.   Marcus
I have a bad feeling about tonight. For some reason I'm having visions of a key Kevin Millar home run. I would hate that more than anything. Give me a walk off Ortiz home run before anything that Kevin Millar could be proud of.

I'll be getting on a plane out of the country right around the 7th or 8th inning, so I won't be able to see the outcome until tomorrow (if then). Then I'll be going to rural Tanzania for 2 weeks, so by the time I get back I'm sure the pennant & wild card races will pretty much be staked out.

Let's go Yan-kees!

2005-09-09 10:35:46
23.   Shaun P
Safe travels, Marcus, and hopefully you'll return to some good news here.
2005-09-09 10:53:49
24.   Stormer Sports
Remember, Boomer wanted a multi-year deal, that was Cash's reasoning. Granted he's getting older, but I always, always, always love a guy who throws strikes, walks virtually no-one and can keep you in a game.

Every time I see one of our relievers go 1-0, 2-0, I die a little inside.

I agree we could have went younger, but hindsight is always 20-20. I agree with the signing of the Unit, how can you not, no matter what his age was?

Pavano, based on his years in Florida, also a good signing, you just never know a guy's a pussy until he puts on the pinstripes, there is no audition in baseball. We had a nice rotation coming into the year, it just fell apart.

However I will never forgive Cashman for the Brown trade, there is simply no universe in which that one made sense, and yes, I did say that at the time.

As for Joe's managing, and again I love the guy, it became clear he has difficulty in must-win, stressful situations. I believe it reared it's head first last year when he started Brown in game 7. I know the team put him there, but Joe, a collective "it's over" could be heard all over the country when they opened their paper and saw his picture. That was the day I lost faith in him, he had Duque, however healthy, and Hernandez may have given up some runs, but he's a pitcher, a real pitcher who would have kept us in the game, not blown it and put it out of reach. He also had Moose on two days rest, anything but Brown, we had to win. We lost in 2001 for the same reason, Joe will not stray from the playbook. Brenly have trouble using Randy from the pen consecutive days after starting, no. You play "TO WIN THE GAME" especially when you must win the particular game. I can actually picture Alan Embree or Scot Proctor on the mound in the playoffs, in a deciding game, while Johnson, and I hope Moose, or Chacon sit idle, because he just doesn't get it.

World Series history is rife with examples of mangers not using their best option and blowing games, it just happens when they get frightened and lose composure. The good ones just don't make those mistakes. It doesn't guarantee a win, but at least you're giving your team the best shot.

What we need to do is get a little younger, see if we can grab a guy like Crawford, or for that matter, any D'Ray outfielder. We can get Kotsay cheap, at least he's a disciplined hitter with spectatular skills in Center. He's not Babe Ruth, but he's cheap and likely the best guy that's not already 40. So help me if they sign Johnny Damon to a huge contract, I'll lose it.

Also,

Joe should take a cue from Frank Robinson and yank them once it gets to 2-0, that's it son, your're done, your job is to throw strikes, period!

2005-09-09 10:59:59
25.   JL25and3
Like everyone else here, I'm often left scratching my head at Joe's pitching decisions. But let's not let the offense off the hook; take away a couple of 13-run innings and they've sucked against lousy D-Ray pitching. Hendrickson against NY: 3-0, 4.61. Against the rest of the league: 6-7, 6.38. Fossum against NY: 3-1, 2.66. Against everyone else: 5-10, 5.21.
2005-09-09 11:03:33
26.   debris
Stormer,

I have a hard time believing that Cashman couldn't have gotten Wells reasonably. The Sox guaranteed him very little and loaded the deal with incentives. Given how badly he wanted to return to NY, I can't imagine that Cashman couldn't have signed him for the same deal or less. Theo was creative; Cashman wasn't. Boomer's beaten him twice this year and, assuming Aaron Small's vial of magic dust is now empty, will likely make it three tonight.

2005-09-09 11:07:33
27.   Schteeve
Are you people insane? Remember Wells coming up lame in the playoffs. Couldn't make a playoff start because his famously out of shape body wouldn't let him.

Tell that fat jackass to have another donut and ruin Boston's chances from now on.

2005-09-09 11:07:57
28.   Stormer Sports
JL25and3

I have plenty of posts lambasting the offense, don't you worry.

I just feel that we are going to be in close games because of just that, the offense. That is my reasoning for wondering what Joe is thinking, and perhaps not thinking in close and must-win games. It scares me.

Sure Cash could just dump Franklin, but I don't even blame Franklin, he hasn't had enough experience to throw him on the heap, some of this isn't his fault. However, this aint the time to be giving him innings, Joe, please, if our best blows it, I can at least live with that, but if Proctor and Franklin and Embree blow it, no matter what you have done and how much I respect you, YOU'RE FIRED!

Use what we have first, use Lieter first, if he stinks it up from the pen, at least you put the right guy in.

Use Strurtz and Flash, if they blow it, at least we tried.

Joe please, I beg of you, no more Frankin, no more Embree, no more Bellhorn, please!

2005-09-09 11:09:22
29.   Stormer Sports
"Are you people insane? Remember Wells coming up lame in the playoffs. Couldn't make a playoff start because his famously out of shape body wouldn't let him.

Tell that fat jackass to have another donut and ruin Boston's chances from now on."

AT LEAST WE WERE IN THE PLAYOFFS.

2005-09-09 11:10:29
30.   Schteeve
No.DRAY.OUTFIELDERS.

This is myopia at it's finest, oh Crawford got a couple of hit's against us last night. We should sign him. WHile we're at it let's get Waechter and Hendrickson and Baez. They're like vintage Hudson, Mulder and Zito based on the past few series against the Yanks.

2005-09-09 11:12:02
31.   Stormer Sports
Schteeve

No, we should sign them bcause they play great defense and have a higher average than any single one of our 6-9 hitters!

2005-09-09 11:14:03
32.   Schteeve
We weren't in the playoffs because of David Wells. Look, I agree that he's capable of being awesome. I love that he walks noone. But he's unreliable and creaky at this point in his career, plus he's a collossal prima donna who doesn't know when to shut up and I don't want any part of him.
2005-09-09 11:14:56
33.   Cliff Corcoran
For what it's worth, Hendrickson's last three starts prior to last night, against the Indians, Angels and Blue Jays:

8/23: 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 BB, 7 K, 84 pitches
8/28: 8 2/3 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 BB, 2 K, 102 pitches
9/2: 7 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 BB, 6 K, 105 pitches

ERA over those three starts: 2.08

I thank Shaun for saying it earlier: "Tampa Bay is no longer a bad team."

2005-09-09 11:19:34
34.   Schteeve
Schteeve

No, we should sign them bcause they play great defense and have a higher average than any single one of our 6-9 hitters!

Oh right I forgot that batting average is the end all be all of baseball analysis. Pardon me. Jason Giambi hits 5th by the way. So you'd rather have Speedy GonCrawford or Gathright and their .319 OBP's than Jason?

2005-09-09 11:36:13
35.   debris
Schteeve,

If you eliminate Wells first two starts of the year, when he obviously wasn't yet in "shape" and the first two when he came back from injury without rehab (rehab doesn't count toward the incentives), Wells has been fabulous this year.

Look above to an earlier post. Since the All Star break - 6-1 3.18, 61 ip, 67 h, 3 bb, 3 hr. That's one walk and one home run per 20 innings.

2005-09-09 11:42:26
36.   Zack
Now, to change the topic, has anyone else read this latest from Klapisch?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2156146

I don't get it at all. He talks Damon up like a superb fielder, which I know he isn't, and no sabermetric number will prove otherwise to anyone who has seen him play. Does that stat take into consideration playing in a tiny park? And all the other reasons not to sign him have already been mentioned here many times.

I hardly think Damon is the difference between us being in first and not. How about a pitching staff? How about a bullpen? How about some bench? etc etc etc...

2005-09-09 12:03:10
37.   debris
IMHO, Damon was a decent, but never fabulous fielder. He's clearly lost a step, probably due to the fact that, like Jeter, he leaves a lot of himself on the field. What he'd give the Yanks is a superb leadoff hitter, the big gain being in the number 2 spot, where they've been sorely lacking all year. Jeter has been followed by a gaping hole all season. Damon followed by Jeter would plug it.

But you'd better learn to love him. Mark my words, George gives him 5 and 50 before the first of the year. And regrets it mightily by 2008, perhaps 2007.

2005-09-09 12:03:47
38.   bp1
I have no evidence at hand, but from what I've seen with my eyes, Damon's arm is no better than Bernie's even with Bern's bad shoulder. Damon is not the answer in center field for the Yankees. He'll be the most overpaid and overhyped free agent this winter, no doubt about it. George must resist.

Man, oh man. Doom and gloom abound today.

BP

2005-09-09 12:16:42
39.   Stormer Sports
Zach.

I didn't read it. He did not say Damon would have gotten the Yankees in the playoffs, did he?

2005-09-09 12:23:31
40.   Stormer Sports
I say again, Crawford can get his OBP up a lttle, it's not like Jeter's is all the much better at .390, and Crawford will more than make up for it with SB's and Defense.

Jeter, never has, nor does he now, belong in the leadoff spot. It's simply not suited to his game, and I am by no means being critical, just saying something that many many many have said for years

2005-09-09 12:25:59
41.   Stormer Sports
bp1

Hey man, you're wrong again, just kiddin, Damon's arm is actually worse than Bernie's, and it's a certainty it won't get better.

And further, he is dumb as a stump, and that absolutely does matter, because he will certainly make his share of mistakes out there by making bad decisions.

2005-09-09 12:28:24
42.   Stormer Sports
I know I said SB's, I apologize. It's short for stolen bases, I figured I'd better explain it considering it has been so long since the Yankees have been aquainted with them. They've been estranged for quite some time
2005-09-09 12:31:32
43.   Stormer Sports
Have we somehow become the Boston Red Sox reclamation center?

Drop plasctics here, Drop paper here, Drop glass here, Drop has-been's here. Does Epstien get regular drop-off as a fringe benefit or does he need a permit?

I didn't get the memo.

2005-09-09 12:34:39
44.   rbj
Well, I'm at least going to see the Mudhens in playoff baseball tonight, against the Norfolk Tide. I'll continue to be pessimistic about the Yankees' playoff chances.

Boomer would have been nice to have back, but I think the rotation needed to get younger (do you really want 2 forty year olds on the staff?) And based upon their careers and last couple of seasons I would have taken Unit over Boomer any day.

2005-09-09 12:41:09
45.   Stormer Sports
The Yankee Future!

Boss Needs Therapy!

In an unexpected move early yesterday morning George Steinbrenner fired General Manager Brian Cashman, citing ineffectiveness. Apparently four years removed from a World Series crown has been too long for the knee-jerk boss of the New York Yankees to wait. Forced to endure nine consecutive playoff seasons, the boss has had enough. Clearly incensed by the Yankees poor start this year, we expected some response, but this move surprised us all.

Even more surprising was his choice to fill those sometimes heavy shoes worn by any Yankees General Manager, Saddam Hussein. Apparently, the boss was wooed by his ruthless decision-making power and refusal to accept disappointing employees, and god knows he doesn't scare easily. Cashman was obviously flabbergasted, "I never saw this one coming, late night phone calls, constant berating, calling me his cute little pocket GM, I used to have a full head of hair you know, but Saddam Hussein; Fidel Castro I could understand, at least he knows baseball!"

It appears the Yankee boss's Republican ties are stronger than we thought; the Bush administration has dropped all charges against the former dictator saying today, "He's just a little misunderstood." Politicos always fans of the deceptive name game a la the Healthy Forest Act and Clean Air "Mercury Schmecury" Act are calling the move the "Freedom Initiative," also freeing several Saudi nationals with ties to the Carlyle Group today. The President went on to say; "Even though I owned the Rangers, I always loved the Yankees."

Steinbrenner proffered an explanation to the Media today. "He's our man, and a life-long Yankee fan I'm told" "I know he's had some minor skirmishes with the law, but hell so have I, the man gets results." "Giambi had two Home Runs today, clearly it's having some effect." The move has sent ripples through the entire organization. Several players have cast the move as ludicrous. Wall punching-pitching-punk Kevin Brown with his 27.00 Earned Run Average in tow said today that; "I'm not going to have a lot of fun here in the future; he's already sat me down to gather my families' residential addresses and asked me if I'd heard about his son-in-law's; I think Steinbrenner has finally lost his mind." Hired gun steroid-slurping-slugger Jason Giambi told the Pantalone Press this morning, "He sat me down and delivered a clear message, saying it's not the grand jury I should be afraid of, my numbers better pick up." I suppose Hussein may have his own brand of "Juice" similar to the old mafia lye in the coffee technique.

Perhaps the Yankee in the most precarious position is Manager Joe Torre. Mr. Torre told the press today, "We knew he was up to something when we got off to such a slow start; I have to admit this surprised me, and not much surprises me after nine seasons here." We also spoke with the new GM who reportedly told the Yankee skipper that he doesn't need another PR man, and that he is uncommonly punctilious when torturing higher rank employees, Billy Martin had it easy.

Hussein also addressed the press today:

I'm a results oriented man and I think that appeals to Mr. Steinbrenner. I ran an entire county; surely I can handle this challenge. I will make the necessary moves to reach our collective goals. In response to a reporter's question begging for an explanation . . . Hussein said brazenly, well, some heads are sure to roll; no, seriously, I mean some heads will actually roll, Sheffield has a particularly round head, and they make great places to hide things on your desk. We have to win today, this year, no excuses anymore.

Hussein has also converted a former clubhouse lounge into what he referred to today as "my O'fer Room." I was about to pee myself before he explained further, "I understand it's a move George has wanted to make for some time but never had a General Manger with the stomach for it." "We will take players who are underperforming in for private "encouragement" sessions." He has also placed explosives in the opposing team's bullpen. In an even more outlandish move, General Manager Hussein has added a monument of himself in the Yankee outfield's venerable Monument Park, Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle . . . Hussein, um ok. When asked how he could get away with all this he replied; "Have any of you heard from Mr. Selig today?" "I don't suspect you'll hear from him or any other Commissioner who opposes my tactics."

Mr. Hussein made but one move today in which Yankee fans can take solace; he has "declared war" on the Red Sox. He told us today; "They're infidels and will be punished." Red Sox manager Terry Francona told the press today that several players have noticed suspicious individuals lurking near their homes, and no one seems able to locate Manny Ramirez or Curt Schilling.

Only time will tell whether this out-of-left-field move will bear fruit and return the Yankees to prominence. The boss is after all, the boss. On an otherwise seemingly ordinary day in the Big Apple, Mr. Steinbrenner dropped a SCUD missile on us all.

2005-09-09 12:45:23
46.   debris
No question that Johnson was a better choice than Wells. But Wells would have been a smarter choice than Wright, particularly after Wright failed his physical. The Johnson mistake was adding the additonal $34 mil to his contract.

As for arms, we can spit all day about this. Damon has a lousy arm, no question. Bernie has no arm. They run on Damon, they run like crazy on Bernie.

BTW, by Damon's second year in NY, certainly by his third, Hanley Ramirez will be a better CF than Damon.

2005-09-09 12:56:15
47.   Stormer Sports
debris.

I could not agree more. Hanley Ramirez will be in Center. But that doesn't bail us out. Further, Johnson would have triggered his no trade but for that 34 Million.

Most likely Tampa won't part with Crawford, which is why we should grab a young guy, give Melky Cabrera a chance--I belive Gene and Reggie concerning Melky--and use Kotsay as a very dependable back-up who could easily fill the role if the experiment fails.

2005-09-09 12:58:44
48.   Stormer Sports
I mean seriously, we stuck with Melky for um, what, one week?
2005-09-09 13:02:06
49.   rbj
Bronson Sardinha is the only Yankee outfielder in the Arizona Fall League. If the F.O. wants Melky to start taking over for Bernie, he should be getting more practice in.
I don't mind the money given to Johnson, I do mind it for Wright. At the least, there should have been much more of it contingent on his health.
2005-09-09 13:16:11
50.   Stormer Sports
Come on, there is a reason Brian's nickname is "Cash," after all.
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2005-09-09 13:22:33
51.   Stormer Sports
You do realize Bronson Sardinha has not played a single game in the outfield, right?
2005-09-09 13:26:23
52.   Stormer Sports
Melky's treatment this year is indicitive of the "knee jerk" reaction of the club I sopke of earlier, no patience at all.

When we brought him up we still had 100 games to play, they didn't even give hima shot. Anruw Jones didn't exactly light up the offensive numbers when they brought him up, but they didn't dump in in a week.

Maybe I'm missing something, did something happen with him, he hasn't been heard from since.

2005-09-09 13:36:52
53.   Stormer Sports
Tyson a Red Sock?

Bring it On!

More than three month's have passed since Curt Schilling and the Boston the Red Sox completed their latest bean-ball bonanza with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, and I believe I've finally heard it all. The Pantalone Press reported today that murderous-malevolent-malcontent Boxing Promoter Don King has announced Red Sox proselytizing pitcher Curt "Bloody Sock" Schilling and Tampa Bay Devil Ray skipper "Sweet" Lou Piniella are set to square off in what's being called the "Bean-Ball Brawl" at Donald Trump's new Pompadour Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The details were evidently "leaked" sometime last evening. That's right folks; I've confirmed it with both camps, this fight is for real. The battle royal was apparently fueled by raging-Republican-rant man Schilling's public comments following the fracas between the Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Boston Red Sox at the turf toed concrete egg miniplex known as Tropicana Field in Tampa, Florida in April, which resulted in several fines and suspensions.

Mr. Schillings comments following the April 24 melee were:

"The problem is when you're playing a team with a manager who somehow forgot how the game is played, there's problems [sic]. This should have been over a little bit ago. Lou's trying to make his team be a bunch of tough guys, and the telling sign is when the players on that team are saying, "[T]his is why we lose 100 games a year; because this idiot makes us do stuff like this," they said that on the field."

Yes Mr. Schilling, "there's problems" alright. This new Shill-ing episode drudged up the following response which was recently published once again by a Seattle reporter who has been stomping his feat and jumping up and down to the national media for years to come clean concerning what baseball insiders have known for years regarding Mr. Schilling:

During the past few days, the country has discovered Schilling's little secret, the one baseball insiders have known for years but has rarely surfaced into the mainstream. Schilling is something of a con man, someone more intent on polishing his personal image through whatever means possible.

The Associated Press Reported on April 28, 2005, "[t]his little dagger was fired not last week, but on Nov. 4, 2001 - the day that Schilling was to start Game 7 of the World Series for Arizona against the Yankees. The author, Arizona Republic columnist Pedro Gomez, now with ESPN, is said to have been privately congratulated by many Diamondbacks players and staffers for taking on Schilling publicly. The point is, Schilling is not universally loved by his peers, many of whom regard him as a shameless self-promoter who can't keep his mouth shut. "

It appears Lou Piniella would like to shut it for him. Given Mr. Schillings balsa-wood body and the fish stringer full of catchers body parts Piniella keeps on his desk to this day, I'd be running to the nearest microphone to make Robert McNamara's Viet Nam mea cupla look like a mid-western husband bringing home a bouquet of roses following a boys night out. Somehow I don't think he'll listen.

"Sweet"-cigarette-smoking Lou Piniella fired back;

Forget how the game is played? I have forgotten more baseball than this guy knows, on the idiot subject, I'm appalled he would actually say something like that. He's questioning my character and integrity and that is wrong. He's never played for me, never really spoken to me, so he really doesn't know what I stand for. If I were Curt, I would be really embarrassed at the cheap shot he took and get the story correct. I'll tell you, I've always admired his pitching ability and competitiveness, but I can honestly tell you I've lost a lot of respect for him. I'm looking forward to talking to Curt myself and get this matter cleared up.

Translation: "I'm going to send his ass back to Boston in a duffle bag." Has Mr. Schilling not watched any tape of Mr. Piniella's rants? I'd lay 2-1 on Piniella against Holyfield any day.

It appears as if it will require a tad more than talking to satisfy Red Sox skipper Terry Francona, who was reportedly livid when Piniella's remarks were conveyed to him. Red Sox Senior Vice President Vinny Lie-a- Lot, torn away from his full time research ripping Alex Rodiguez told me, "Francona was as jumpy as Steve Howe on an all night bender." "My pitcher goes to Church-Church I tell ya!"

The Piniella camp is insisting we refer to Mr. Schilling as "Glass Jaw," the moniker recently planted upon him by Piniella's trainer, Sammy "the Cork" Sosa.

I was able to track down the belly busting bean bag late last night in beantown. He was on his way to an all night buffet, Big Gulp in one hand, mirror in the other. Also waddling along was fellow self-promoter David Wells, whose gout was making it difficult for him to keep up, but he'd rather die than miss that buffet. He looked more like Spanky chasing the gang to grab that crème puff than a major league pitcher, chanting the whole way, "wait up, wait up., I hear they got crab legs!" Rounding out the fearsome threesome was Wells' bodyguard who told me, "gotta watch out for those 5'2"-150 lb. busboys, they'll stick you man; how's he supposed to look like a tough guy is Urkel's kicking his ass?" When I carefully approached the gaggle of guts, Mr. Schilling was very clear in his intentions concerning the upcoming bout. "I gotta keep my name in the news man, gonna run for President someday." "Did ya see me in congress, did ya, did ya, did ya?" "I'm going on Celebrity Poker next, and then maybe Nascar Nation, yea, they have tons of gullible, I mean wholesome fans I can cultivate." He then put on his "game face" and said sternly while spewing saliva about, "Sweet Lou I'm comin for you man, my style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious, I want your heart, I want to eat his children, Praise be to Allah!" He continued, "you're sweet Piniella, I'm gonna make sure you kiss me good with those big lips, I'm gonna make you my girlfriend."

Wow I thought, this guy's lost it. Could it all be a calculated PR campaign?

"Sweet" Lou Piniella, not be outdone by the youngster, addressed the press this morning, "[m]y biggest weakness is my sensitivity; I am too sensitive a person." "You see me out there shaking ump's hands, bringing flowers for player's birthdays." "That's how I end up in these situations; I give and give and give." Has "Sweet" Lou Changed? This seems wildly at odds with the conventional wisdom, considering that following his reinstatement from a long suspension some years ago, and preceding a scheduled fight with another catcher he nearly decapitated, he said:

I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him, I want to kill people, I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children. When I was in prison, I was wrapped up in all those deep books. That Tolstoy crap - people shouldn't read that stuff. He then fired a hard right at the Red-Sock-ringleader while my assistant Lucy questioned him saying, It's no doubt I am going to win this fight and I feel confident about winning this fight. I normally don't do interviews with women unless I fornicate with them, so you shouldn't talk anymore . . . unless you want to, you know. When asked how Mr. Schillings' comments made him feel, he responded, I was as hopped up as Vida Blue with a stack of hundreds, an off day and an eight-ball.

Well, clearly the pre-fight banter Americans expect is off and running and unlikely to disappoint.

Mr. Don King, fresh from burying gold bouillon under Benny Binion's ranch was also available for comment this morning. As expected, Mr. King made complete sense. He opined, quite clearly:

"I'm a promoter of the people for the people and by the people and my magic lies in my people ties. I'm a promoter of America. I'm American people. You know what I mean? So therefore, uh, do not send for who the bell tolls 'cause the bell tolls for thee."

Huh, what? I then pushed him for an answer as to how on this earth he was able to arrange this ground-breaking fight and how it got leaked:

"I can't believe that having said what I said was interpreted as having been what I said when I said it, because I said it where I said it, when I said it, and who I said it to . . . ," and, "I can't believe what I said about myself. What I said in my own private conversations with myself to an ESPN producer are my business, and I had no business saying them to someone else."

Clearly Mr. King is as lucid as ever and reluctant to divulge the details-and quite frankly--I like breathing so I aint gonna push it--of what brought us to this point in American boxing history, but I'd get some security crews out to the Meadowlands end-zone ASAP. He does understand one American tradition as old as apple pie . . . the plea bargain. With power comes influence, and with influence in Mr. King's case, apparently comes gibberish. I posit his reasoning for "fixing" up this bout is quite similar to what was said by this same promoter many years ago while shaking one of his prize fighters by the leg in an effort to make sure there wasn't any money left in his pockets; "Martin Luther King took us to the mountain top: I want to take us to the bank, God Bless America . . . and God Bless . . . um who is it . . . the actor . . . he's President now . . . no freakin way, we're rich!"

Mr. King attempted to bolster the red carpet appeal of the bout by offering me a list of players who will be attending the event. They include; so long as someone else picks up the tab I presume, Mets first baseman Keith Hernandez, Texas Ranger pitcher Ferguson Jenkins, Padre outfielder Alan Wiggins, Royals first baseman Willie Aikens, Royals outfielders Willie Wilson and Jerry Martin, Mets outfielder Darryl Strawberry and pitcher Dwight Gooden, as well as Atlanta pitcher Pasqual Perez. Several other players have expressed interest including Joaquin Andujar, Dale Berra, Enos Cabell, Jeff Leonard, Dave Parker, Tony Phillips, Jason Giambi, Barry Bonds, Ricky Henderson, Tommy Lasorda, Alex Sanchez, Mark McGuire, Lenny Dyksrta, Pete Rose and Lonnie Smith.

"Look at this list," Mr. King said, "you can't question these players integrity!" "Come one come all; see my latest creation, Barnum and Bailey aint got nothing on me." "This is miraculous, it's stupendous, it's fabulous, it's superfluous, it's any adjective with more than two syllables, and it's downright amazing."

Mr. Schilling's trainer, Sammy "the Cork" Sosa, could not be reached for comment but did issue a statement;

Mr.Schilling does not regret making his statement and will show that ex-pinstriped-punk Piniella what he's made of at the fight in May. He's a warrior, and a hero to every fan in Boston. You see, this is why I don't tell nobody I speak English, congress woulda chewed me up, I just smile and act cute, say bery bery a lot, works every time. Mr. King taught me that. My only regret is that those lousy umpires didn't let "Bloody Sock" grab that peanut Pienella on the field and give the fans a fight preview. I'd like to stuff a cork in him myself, and if I know anything, its cork.

Well, I suppose if I want to keep both my legs I won't question Mr. King any further. However, I do look forward to not only the upcoming pre-fight hype and the jiggly weigh in buffet sponsored by Krispy Kreme, but to every crazy gimmick along the way. Mr. King never disappoints his customers. Trump's Pompadour and Why-the-Hell-is-Anyone-Still-Paying-Attention- to-Me hotels and casinos opened today with the line showing "Sweet" Lou Pienella a 5-1 favorite over his arch rival Curt "Bloody Sock" Schilling. Lets get ready to . . . ah . . . rumble? It's sure to be one for the ages; the Thrilla in Manilla, the Rumble in the Jungle, Patterson, Foreman, Marciano, Ali . . . and October 25th, the Bean-Ball Brawl. God help us all. If only Mr. Schilling had been more . . . um . . . curt!

2005-09-09 13:39:21
54.   Shaun P
Thanks, Cliff, for helping me make my point.

Schteeve, I'm with you all the way - re-signing Wells would have been a mistake. Its easy to look back now and say, "He's been good - we missed an opportunity!" But hindsight is 20-20, and there's no way of knowing how he would've done with the Yanks. Given his age and injury history, he was a big risk. I guess I would have preferred him over Wright. I would have preferred Clement over either.

The only D-Ray outfielder I'm slightly interested in is Aubrey Huff, because he's the only one who knows how to take a walk and take pitches. But he's now on the downside of the typical hitter's peak curve (29 this December), and he can't play CF anyway.

There's a HUGE different between a .319 OBP (with a pathetic 21 walks, I might add) and a .390 OBP (with a fantastic 65 walks). Just looking at walks, that's at least 44 more chances Jeter had to score a run!

Steven Goldman has said this a million times, and he's right - they were dreaming with the rotation they put together for his year. Carl Pavano had TWO years (out of 8) where he made 30+ starts.

His best two seasons came when he pitched half his games in a pitchers' park, in the weaker offensive league. Before those seasons, in 6 years his numbers were:

103G 86GS 514.1IP 569H 60HR 173BB 345K 4.71ERA 6.0K/9 1.99K/BB

Ugly, to say the least. Pavano was a mistake because he wasn't a good pitcher, plain and simple.

Signing Captain Caveman (Damon) would be a huge mistake. His career OBP is .353 (vs. .386 for Jeter). His arm is average at best. His range is OK, but he's 33 next year and likely as not to lose range quickly once he hits 34. Signing past their prime vets - like Damon - to contracts that pay them big bucks when they're 36 or 37 is a HUGE mistake - and why the Yanks are in the bad state they're in now. I hope the Red Sox sign him to a big 4 year deal - though running Hanley Ramirez out there next year would make me laugh, as he hasn't hit for crap this year in AA (.271/.335/.385).

Kotsay just signed an extension with the A's. Pierre's on-base skills and defense are questionable. Some combination of Reese and Thompson with Bubba Crosby in CF next year is affordable and productive enough. Melky will be ready in a couple years - he's only 20, after all. Another year or two of AA/AAA ball and he'll develop fine. Meanwhile, Sardinha needs the extra playing time 'cause he recently became a RF full-time.

Finally, before this year, Wayne Franklin had thrown over 300 innings in the big leagues (302.2 to be precise) - with a 5.47ERA 154BB and 203K, and a similar record in the minors. Let's be honest - he sucks.

2005-09-09 13:43:42
55.   debris
Melky Cabrera had a mediocre year at Trenton. I don't know of any source that considers him a prospect. He's young and, if he is a prospect, I'd bet he's at least two years away. His OPS at Trenton was less than .750. That certainly doesn't recommend him for major league ball.

As for his week in the Bronx, he was so clearly overmatched, they were wise to get him out of there as quickly as they could.

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