Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Moyer Less?
2008-10-12 12:05
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Rays pulled out their must-win game in extra-innings last night. Now, the Dodgers arrive home down 0-2 in the NLCS facing not just one, but a pair of must-win games. With Cole Hamels lurking as the Phillies' Game 5 starter, the Dodgers simply cannot afford to lose either tonight or Monday and give Hamels a chance to pitch Philadelphia into the World Series Wednesday night. Fortunately for the Dodgers, tonight's pitching matchup is in their favor. . . .

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2008-10-12 12:42:02
1.   OldYanksFan
From the YES site:
Making a better A-Rod
Alex Rodriguez is so good, he doesn't need to strive for perfection
By John Paciorek /

An 'analysis' of why ARod has a hole is his swing and how to improve it. Valid? Is ARod on the bus with this?

2008-10-12 13:10:38
2.   JL25and3
1 Well, if anybody knows about perfection, it's John Paciorek:
2008-10-12 13:12:40
3.   JL25and3
On the other hand, that's Pags's site, and I don't put much stock in anything from there. Maybe it's improved, I don't know, but he lost his credibility with me long ago.
2008-10-12 13:42:03
4.   thelarmis
1 yeah, i read that the other day. i think nomaas had a link for it.

hope some fellow banterers show up for the game tonight! i'll miss the beginning due to work, but i hope to catch a bulk of it. something tells me it'll be a bit shorter than last nites event...

2008-10-12 17:24:01
5.   Raf
Checking in...

OYF, Steve Lombardi linked to that article. Didn't think much of it then, think less about it now.

I may chime in @ DT.

And yes, Fox is still lame

2008-10-12 18:18:00
6.   thelarmis
hello? anyone home? paging fellow banterites? Jazz Tokyo, Chyll, Raf, JL, Just Fair, RI Yank, OYF?!?!?! beuller? beuller?

came home from work and it was 5-1, the furcal immediately made it 6-1. i like moyer and i root for him, but he's having a rough postseason. he's not gonna get a gig til he's 50 like that...

2008-10-12 18:22:17
7.   thelarmis
ooh, some excitement on the field!

and still no banterers... : (

2008-10-12 18:34:53
8.   Shaun P
3 I've seen nothing there to make me change my mind these past few months.

7 I'm here, but all I've got is that (for me), the best part of the Dodgers going deep in the playoffs is getting to listen to Vin Scully on XM. And now I'm gone.

2008-10-12 18:36:10
9.   thelarmis
no-mah with a very nice pick at first base.

good lord, is ryan howard a BIG man...

2008-10-12 18:37:25
10.   Chyll Will
6 Hey man, you asking for the Rouges' Gallery or what? I can't stay, early morning call, but did want to wish all who do show up a... well... it IS L.A. vs Philly after all... on a Sunday... JETS JETS JETS! >;)
2008-10-12 18:42:19
11.   thelarmis
hey chyll! ya know, i'm not a football guy at all, but i do root for the Jets. as a kid, Wesley Walker was my favorite player. i might be picking up some old Jets trading cards soon, for nostalgia's sake...
2008-10-12 18:45:44
12.   RIYank
Hey folks.
I dropped in at Dodger Thoughts but they tend to ignore outsiders, unless some of our acquaintances (underdog, etc) are around.
2008-10-12 18:49:33
13.   thelarmis
12 hey there! i gave you a shout at DT. yeah, i asked if underdog was around. i actually got a reply - that he lives in the bay area. but, yeah, other than that i'd get ignored and underdog doesn't seem to be around tonight. i'll be here...
2008-10-12 18:51:27
14.   RIYank
13 I know, I saw. That's why I'm here.

Trainwreck is a BB frequenter, but he doesn't seem to be heavily involved tonight.

2008-10-12 18:52:43
15.   thelarmis
it's really frickin' difficult not to curse over at DT. even something as pedestrian as: holy fucking shit, that was a great muthafuckin' catch! or, tim mccarver sucks shit at announcing and he's a stoopid asshole! : )

ah, that feels good. nice to be home here at the banter...

2008-10-12 18:55:54
16.   thelarmis
14 cool! yeah, i recognized trainwreck - he's the one who replied to me - but i couldn't remember if he was one of our acquaintances or not, like underdog.

torre is soooo familiar to me. him in dodger blue...not so much.

goddamn, derek lowe is TALL!

a 'Grand' Tanyon Sturtze mention! EDSP next, thank you please!

2008-10-12 18:57:03
17.   thelarmis
can we switch igawa and kuroda?!
2008-10-12 19:00:05
18.   thelarmis
astrophysics. i got screwed on that class in college. senior year and i needed 3 credits of Science. my buddy and i thought it'd be an easy 3-credit class and we'd learn about the stars and shit. um, not so much. it was ridiculously hard and pointless for a classical musician preparing for his Senior Recital and graduation. the professor was a jerk, to boot. thankfully, my girlfriend at the time was a brilliant sort and we made a deal - she did all my astrophysics work and i did her music theory work...

and melky slides into first! called out...

2008-10-12 19:01:01
19.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
quick check-in. game on the radio here, but it's a 3-day weekend so heading out now. Hold down the fort thelarmis, will be back tomorrow for Sox-Rays...(unless it's an afternoon game in Boston, would be 4am here...)
2008-10-12 19:01:24
20.   RIYank
I know, that "Rule 1" thing is so... I dunno. It's a little like elementary school. Rule 1 even forbids euphemisms, though they don't seem to enforce that part.
2008-10-12 19:05:29
21.   thelarmis
19 hey man! you have a holiday over there? yeah, the boston game is in the afternoon. i'll catch maybe half of it. i'll definitely miss the night game as i'll be performing with my jazz trio... enjoy your day off, bro!

20 yeah, did you see that post where someone had to write Hugh Janus? ugh! that's a bunch of...carp! ; )

2008-10-12 19:06:58
22.   RIYank
19 Why do you guys get Columbus Day off? Oh, no, it's for Yom Kippur, right? That's big in Tokyo, I bet.
2008-10-12 19:11:13
23.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
21 22 hah, today is "Sports Day", seriously. After the war, sometime in the 1960s, the govt realized that people were never taking their paid vacations, and overwork was a real problem. They decided to increase the number of official govt. holidays to once a month. So, a lot of great three day-weekends with holidays like "Nature Day", "Kids Day", "Respect for the Elderly Day" and "Sports Day". I ain't complaining!
2008-10-12 19:12:04
24.   thelarmis
22 oh, that's right - tomorrow's columbus day. that means, no bank/post office, right?! guess i'll wait til tues/wed...

yom kippur. doh, i didn't fast! ah, haven't in many many years. shhh, don't tell my mom! ; ) i was actually working in alabama on yom kippur. it's probably as big there as it is in tokyo! i did get outta jury duty b/c of the high holiday though... : )

2008-10-12 19:13:46
25.   thelarmis
23 that rules!
2008-10-12 19:16:41
26.   RIYank
We gotta get Sports Day.

Yeah, here in RI a whole lot of shit is closed on Columbus Day. I don't know why.

But I do know I'm only saying 'shit' because of Rule 1.

2008-10-12 19:19:45
27.   thelarmis
do you get off of work tomorrow for columbus day?

ps - shit.

2008-10-12 19:22:16
28.   RIYank
27 Well, yes, but that's because I work at Brown, which has a holiday tomorrow. I think most people who don't work for the government or for schools are working tomorrow.
2008-10-12 19:23:02
29.   RIYank
Hm, Kuroda is losing it, maybe. Shit.
2008-10-12 19:24:33
30.   thelarmis
28 you can just pretend tomorrow is Sports Day and watch both baseball playoff contests! : )

i'm a lowly musician and am glad i get to play tomorrow night... are you a professor at Brown?

there sure is nice eye candy in the stands there in la-la land... : )

2008-10-12 19:25:28
31.   thelarmis
yeah, joe might wanna show off that gait of his to the mound. yup, there it is. pitching change...
2008-10-12 19:26:10
32.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
after yesterdays 6-hour game I don't have any credit left for today to stay home with the game. Got to respect the lady's wishes. Have a good one Banters!
2008-10-12 19:27:27
33.   RIYank
Every day is Sports Day in America!

Yes, I'm a professor. But not of music, I'm sorry. But I know some. I know one who studies Guitar Hero. Seriously.

2008-10-12 19:30:06
34.   thelarmis
32 you're a smart man!

33 iirc, i want to say you're a math professor, but i may be thinking of a different past thread here...

i only know of the guitar hero game from a coupla young students of mine. i cannot believe there are professors that study a video game! : ~

2008-10-12 19:32:39
35.   RIYank
34 No, not math. But I think I'll stay under wraps, so no more guesses!

Yep, I was surprised too. I guess it's not really music, more 'music and society'.

2008-10-12 19:34:39
36.   thelarmis
35 oh, no worries, i totally understand!
2008-10-12 19:36:42
37.   RIYank
Good bullpen move by Mr. Tea, looks like.
2008-10-12 19:37:10
38.   thelarmis
pretty good AB by Feliz.

kemp has a gun out in center.

2008-10-12 19:39:03
39.   thelarmis
martin didn't even flinch after that ball smacked his facemask off. i woulda been placed on the DL for about 2 years, right next to Pavano...
2008-10-12 19:40:35
40.   thelarmis
don't go to the bathroom right now, you'll get arrested! ; )
2008-10-12 19:41:25
41.   RIYank
I think that was the Phils' last gasp. I'm going to go hang with my kids now. Later, thelarmis.
2008-10-12 19:42:50
42.   thelarmis
41 enjoy! and enjoy your day off tomorrow : )
2008-10-12 19:46:08
43.   Just fair
Long live the long weekend! 42 I remember some dt bullshit about comments in recent years. What the f? Maybe they they need a baseball toaster gang in The Warriors remake. ha.
2008-10-12 19:49:59
44.   thelarmis
43 i just hated when that one DT commentor came over to the banter and gave us hell. that was a bunch of bollocks!

i can't believe durbin's still in this game. yeah, it was a breaking ball, but i betchya it was on purpose. martin has some speed, wish he'd steal a bag...

i don't get a long weekend. i had Saturday off, but worked today and will tomorrow...

2008-10-12 19:50:36
45.   thelarmis
good for russell martin! gotta love a cat whose middle name is Coltrane! : )
2008-10-12 19:58:16
46.   thelarmis
ah shit, tomorrow is monday night football. i bet they have that crap on at my gig tomorrow and not the LA-PHI game. i guess it's better - that way i won't be distracted by the game while i'm on stage. but still, i'd hate to miss the game entirely...
2008-10-12 20:01:31
47.   thelarmis
i thought victorino handled the situation at the plate rather well, earlier in the game. i think he went to far to continue it though...

rollins not looking good in this series.

i hadn't heard of corey wade before the playoffs. he's been a good reliever for ol' green tea...

2008-10-12 20:03:26
48.   thelarmis
kuo for howard in the 9th, then broxton for burrell & werth and maybe more...
2008-10-12 20:05:37
49.   Just fair
Those Dodger fans are going fucking bonkers with those towels. It looked more impressive in Philadephia, though. Probably cuz' it' s more of a bandbox and all. Those folks in Philly are right on top of the action. Shit.
2008-10-12 20:07:01
50.   thelarmis
angel berroa. ah, the guy who stole the ROY award from matsui, simply 'coz mats was a Yankee. that was his only good year. 17 bombs from the shortstop position, iirc...
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2008-10-12 20:09:05
51.   thelarmis
kent a hall of famer? his #'s at the keystone position might warrant it. he's definitely a borderline guy, if not a bit beyond that...
2008-10-12 20:13:56
52.   thelarmis
looks like it might be broxton to start the 9th. why warmup Kuo for so long and not let him face either Utley or Howard. joey joe joe...
2008-10-12 20:16:35
53.   thelarmis
JC Romero twisted his ankle after striking out Ethier. might be bad. couldn't tell if it was a bad landing or he was trying to celebrate the K...

broxton comes out throwing 99, 98...

2008-10-12 20:21:36
54.   thelarmis
well, we've got ourselves a series here. 2-1 Philthy, but the Lowe-Blanton matchup in LA tomorrow certainly favors the Dodgers...
2008-10-12 20:23:52
55.   Just fair
Let's go Rays.
2008-10-12 20:33:35
56.   thelarmis
manuel says they weren't expecting retaliation. really?! huh. wow...
2008-10-12 20:34:49
57.   thelarmis
55 hell fuckin' yeah!

gonna be rough though - garza vs. lester at the fens. i'll be here watching about the first half of the game, or so...

2008-10-12 20:39:53
58.   underdog
Hey alarmis and RIY, y'all are welcome at DT anytime. Sorry I wasn't there earlier. Caught up with ya later. Sometimes DT-ers, like any fans in the middle of their game are pretty wrapped up in the action and nervous, but I'm pretty sure people love having guests there. Yeah, as long as you respect Jon's rules.

But since I'm on Bronx Banter right now... That was a fuckin' great game! ;-)

They have to take tomorrow's too, though, I think, as Cliff noted (or Cliff notes), or it'll be a steep uphill climb.

2008-10-12 20:43:48
59.   thelarmis
58 thanks, underdog. it's way more comfy for us over here at the banter. anytime you need to curse, feel free to drop a post over here! even if it's just a positive "fuck yeah!" : )

good luck tomorrow night. i think it's a very favorable matchup for your team and that you'll win. i'll be at work tomorrow night when it's on, so good luck!


2008-10-12 20:55:50
60.   underdog
59 Fuck yeah! ;-) Cheers and will do.
2008-10-13 08:18:33
61.   Raf
56 The Phils were pitching inside. I can't see Moyer throwing at batters, not with his stuff.

Besides, another Dodger was hit by Durbin after warnings were issued, and he wasn't ejected.

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