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Last Shot atTwenty
2008-09-18 14:31
by Alex Belth
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Can Mike Mussina finally get his 18th win?


Vat ho. We sure hope so.

2008-09-18 16:24:21
1.   randym77
Not looking good so far.

For Moose or for this game thread...

2008-09-18 16:32:05
2.   randym77
And Brett Gardner loses his bat, and nearly kills Pavano.

Better luck next time, kid.

2008-09-18 16:47:14
3.   Alex Belth
I think so much of what draws heads into the comments section is the energy, the tension of contention. It's a release, a way to cope with the stress of watching and rooting. Not that Bronx Banter posters are fair weather, but the pulse of the game thread section is naturally going to fall off once the games are meaningless. I think that's what has been happening the past couple of weeks. Seems only natural. Still, the light is always on for those who care to schmooze...or not.
2008-09-18 16:56:33
4.   williamnyy23
3 Absolutely...the game thread is a vehicle for expressing the emotion that builds up when you watch a game. When the team is going well, it's a place to express joy. It's even better when things are going poorly, however, because it can be a cathartic experience (which is why I never understand when some complain when the tone gets a little negative).

These game have no emotion, so naturally most aren't going to feel compelled to post. I know I'm in that boat, even though I have kept on watching.

2008-09-18 17:06:37
5.   randym77
3 You're probably right.

My fondest memories of this site are from September 2005. When the Yankees came back from something like six games back, the season came down to the last series against the Sox, and every game in September was like a playoff game. I was here every night. The month was exhausting, but exhilarating.

One of the highlights of that month was three years ago tomorrow - the game where Wang had nine assists, and Bubba hit a walkoff homer. We were so wired after that game most of us stayed up to see the Sox lose to Tampa. And many were talking about maybe getting together at a bar somewhere.

It was a Monday night, I had to be at work early the next day, but I was too excited to sleep, and so was here, reading comments and commenting. And was back the next evening, butt dragging but unable to stay away.

2008-09-18 17:08:46
6.   ms october
agreed - for me there is just not a whole lot to say about the games anymore.

not surprisingly there has been a lot more passion about the stadium and other topics lately.

though if mosse is able to pull a win out it adds an element to it all.

2008-09-18 17:15:20
7.   Just fair
It's fun watching Abrue tee off Javy. I'm on Bobby's side in coming back (and it's a lonely place). : (
2008-09-18 17:18:16
8.   Just fair
7 Abreu. D'oh.
2008-09-18 17:18:16
9.   Just fair
7 Abreu. D'oh.
2008-09-18 17:19:57
10.   Biscuit Pants
Man, I look at Griffey and I think what a shame injuries took such a toll on this magnificent player.
2008-09-18 17:19:57
11.   Just fair
I'm doing my part to get to at least 10. Yeesh. My apologies. Is this a hat-trick? Or a Golden Sombrero?
2008-09-18 17:28:40
12.   Jeb
10 I look at griffey and think about what a bitter SOB he still is over Billy Martin throwing him out of the clubhouse. Its a bit hard to feel sorry for him with the comments he made this summer about the stadium and the Yanks.
As to the Banter I figure things might pick up come the postseason. I also recall the hot stove getting warm round these parts last year.
2008-09-18 17:37:59
13.   randym77
Junior is okay by me. He was a jerk in his youth, and still has a temper. (He got in a bit a fracas with Reds fans shortly before being traded. He apologized.)

But he didn't juice.

And I always thought this story was cool:

Last year on Sept. 11., the Reds had Katrina Marino and her children throw out the first pitch, which Griffey caught.

2008-09-18 17:38:07
14.   williamnyy23
All those Yankee fans who abadoned the team just missed one of the most rare occurences in baseball: Cano and Molina both walked in the same inning!
2008-09-18 17:38:44
15.   Biscuit Pants
12 He's also a bitter SOB about the way the Martin and the Yanks treated his father.
2008-09-18 17:44:11
16.   Alex Belth
Did anyone catch the name of the guy who threw out the first pitch? He is the oldest living ballplayer, 102! He was a wonderful little guy. Pudge and Posada walked him out, and he took his time it was great. YES treated the moment as a routine thing but I thought it was really magical.
2008-09-18 17:47:43
17.   Biscuit Pants
[16}Was it Billy Werber?
2008-09-18 17:48:37
18.   vockins
Grim error. Jeez.
2008-09-18 17:49:02
19.   Just fair
It's a tad depressing knowing that we're watching a possible playoff team tonight. Bollocks!
16 Didn't catch the name, but did see it. I didn't realize he was that wise. Holy cow.
2008-09-18 17:49:09
20.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
14 just logged in to Gameday, missed it!! first Cano walk in how long??
2008-09-18 17:49:16
21.   randym77
16 It was Emilio "Millito" Navarro, the first Puerto Rican to play in the Negro Leagues. has the story:

2008-09-18 17:50:15
22.   ms october
16 his name is emilio navarro - first puerto rican to play in the negro leagues
i thought it was cool too.

here's the yankee press release about it.

2008-09-18 17:50:15
23.   Biscuit Pants
Yanks haven't batted around too many times this year.
2008-09-18 17:52:08
24.   ms october
21 good thing we weren't writing a term paper. :}
2008-09-18 17:52:16
25.   OldYanksFan
Anyone seen this?
"Rep. Dennis Kucinich said Thursday he found 'waste and abuse of public dollars' in the financing of the new stadium under construction in the South Bronx. Kucinich is an Ohio Democrat who heads a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee. He charged that city officials misrepresented to the IRS the value of the property, helping them to get special tax deals from the federal government and in effect dumping the cost of construction onto taxpayers."

2008-09-18 17:53:39
26.   Biscuit Pants
25 Uh oh . . .
2008-09-18 17:56:47
27.   Biscuit Pants
[25}"Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., said her hometown of Los Angeles has gone without a professional football team for decades because city officials are unwilling to pay for a new stadium."

I guess the Rams don't count?

2008-09-18 17:57:13
28.   ms october
19 what still flumoxes me is the yanks have basically played well against the white sox and rays and okay against the twins and red sox (we obviously can't put the angels on that list).

i would not be feeling too good about the post season if i am white sox fan though.

2008-09-18 17:57:59
29.   OldYanksFan
The Angels have the best record in MLB with a 65 run differential. 8 teams have better run differentials.
2008-09-18 18:01:03
30.   yankee23
29 Is it any wonder that K-Rod broke the saves record?

0 I'm thinking Girardi should just start Moose every other game after Sunday. Get him 20 no matter what. It's not like his arm can be getting too tired.

2008-09-18 18:02:07
31.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
0 Alex, a bit slow this morning, sorry..who is that in the picture?
2008-09-18 18:04:22
32.   Jeb
15 Billy Martin's been dead for years though, junior should lighten up and move on. I think I saw his Dad at old timers day; if he's cool, why can't Jr be cool?
2008-09-18 18:05:02
33.   williamnyy23
25 Maybe he'll seek to impeach George Steinbrenner and Mayor Bloomberg? :)
2008-09-18 18:05:57
34.   williamnyy23
31 Mel Brooks, I think.
2008-09-18 18:07:32
35.   Just fair
I saw Miranda bat in Rochester a few weeks ago and he looked like an absolute beast (size wise). On the boob tube he looks like a regular ballplayer. Unfortunately, he makes the Big-G look like a Mattingly-Hernandez clone.
2008-09-18 18:09:26
36.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
33 I wish!
34 of course...thanks. recently saw Mel on "Curb Your Enthusiasm"..hysterical..when are new episodes coming?
2008-09-18 18:12:26
37.   williamnyy23
Let's see if Jeter can get a hit off Broadway.
2008-09-18 18:26:34
38.   Just fair
2008-09-18 18:49:24
39.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Ozzie Guillen sure to be feisty at the Q&A after the game...
2008-09-18 18:58:41
40.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Humberto!! been waiting a year to see this guy pitch...
2008-09-18 19:03:38
41.   Alex Belth
Yup, that's Mel Brooks.

Great seeing that broad smile on Moose's face after he came out.

Hey, even if he doesn't get 20, 18 or 19 is pretty damn nice too!

2008-09-18 19:13:20
42.   Just fair
I feel bad for Chris Britton.
2008-09-18 19:14:57
43.   Jeb
42 Why? Because he threw Konerko a fat pitch? OR because he's just fat?
2008-09-18 19:17:24
44.   williamnyy23
41 At the very least, 18 ties his Yankee season high, which was set way back in 2002. If he gets 19, he sets his Yankee high and ties his career mark. Not bad for a washed up pitcher.
2008-09-18 19:18:09
45.   Just fair
43 b/c he's been to and fro from the office and when he's been in the Bronx he's rarely been used. It's got to suck for him. I'm a sucker, though.
2008-09-18 19:22:02
46.   Mattpat11
2008-09-18 19:23:22
47.   Jeb
44 he gets two more starts, maybe they'll come through for him

How about Miranda with 2 walks?

2008-09-18 22:18:30
48.   Raf
27 I guess the Los Angeles Rams of Anaheim really don't count...
2008-09-19 00:56:36
49.   Shaun P
40 I'm glad that kid got to pitch at least once at the Stadium, since he is from the Bronx.

Cervelli also made his MLB debut, though without a plate appearance to show for it. I think we'll see both of them quite a bit next summer.

2008-09-19 05:40:27
50.   OldYanksFan
MOOSE for desert!
I think Moose got pretty UNlucky this year. A pitcher can't expect to Win all of their 'quality starts', but here's what Moose had this year.

In THREE of his loses, he had Quality starts, giving up (ER/IP) 2/6, 2/6, 2/8.... so there were REAL quality starts, for a combined ERA of 2.70!

In his no decisions, he had FOUR Quality starts, giving up (ER/IP) 2/6, 2/8, 3/7, 2/7 .... so there were three REAL quality starts, for a combined ERA in those 4 no-decisions of 2.89!

So there are SEVEN games that could easily have been Won.... for a combined ERA over those 7 of 2.81.

Seven games.... 2.81 ERA.... for ZERO wins. BRUTAL. He could be 21 and 9 now and still have been unlucky!

I can almost forgive the Yanks for missing the PS. It had to happenb some time. Buy man-oh-man did they let Moose down.

I mean a 21 and 9 record on a .536 team is amazing. (although Cliff Lee, 22/2/2.41, on a team under .500 is just stunning)!!!

I don't expect Moose to be this good in 2009, but I believe he will be solid, maybe better then league average. He will be a fine #5. Andy? The Yanks have to think hard about Andy in 2009. I wonder.... it would be nice to have some insurance.... could Andy be in the BP next year... long man or whatever, and then join the SR if we have a rash of injuries/disappointments?

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