Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Ship of Fools
2008-09-14 06:16
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

It is a muggy day here in the Bronx. The sun is trying to come out and when it does the sky turns a lighter shade of grey. Not exactly autumn weather. The Yanks send Carl Pavano out there today to serve it up to the first-place Rays. Me, I'm going to the movies, gunna check out the Joel and Ethan Coen's new comedy, another caper about a bunch of bumbling idiots. Sounds about perfect. Hitting an 11:00 a.m. show and will be back to catch most of the game.

Thread away, if you dare.

Hey, even if these are sad times, at least there is baseball today. It'll be really sad in a couple of months when football, hockey and hoops are all we've got on our plate.

So as Aaron Gleeman says, Happy Baseball.

Comments (73)
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2008-09-14 09:09:30
1.   OldYanksFan
I know there is basically nothing left for us this season, but jeez.... the Banter has been slow. I mean, THIS is all we have left. Just cause the Yankees died doesn't mean we should.

2009 is coming.
We have work to do.

2008-09-14 10:09:41
2.   Mattpat11
David Cone just suggested that Carl Pavano might be back next year.

That should be grounds for immediate dismissal of whomever makes that decission.

2008-09-14 10:19:31
3.   Mattpat11
Two away from the Iron Horse.
2008-09-14 10:20:35
4.   Just fair
2 But's he's fully healthy now. : ) I keed. I keed.
2008-09-14 10:23:43
5.   Mattpat11
4 I warn you, no jury in the land will convict me.
2008-09-14 10:24:43
6.   Mattpat11
Is there a reason the Yankees only run on two strikes? That seems stupid.
2008-09-14 10:30:59
7.   Mattpat11
I approve of that.
2008-09-14 10:41:15
8.   JeremyM
Well, there was a time when it looked like A-Rod might not reach 100 runs and and RBIs, but he just did it with that swing.
2008-09-14 10:48:15
9.   Mattpat11
Can we release Pavano?
2008-09-14 10:48:48
10.   3rd gen yankee fan
I fucking hate Pavano.
2008-09-14 10:49:00
11.   Mattpat11
If Michael Kay says "he hit his first HR off a brand name" I'll throttle him through the TV
2008-09-14 10:52:26
12.   Mattpat11
Holy shit, I just saw Gardner swing the bat.
2008-09-14 10:55:16
13.   Mattpat11
One more to go.
2008-09-14 10:57:53
14.   Mattpat11
I think Jason is seeing the ball well today. That's the fourth or fifth ball he crushed
2008-09-14 10:57:56
15.   JeremyM
I kind of hate seeing Lou Gehrig records getting broken, but on the other hand, it's Jeter.
2008-09-14 10:59:59
16.   kdw
15 That's exactly how I feel too. And this year, it's only things like that and Moose getting 20.
2008-09-14 11:14:49
17.   Mattpat11
16 I'd also like to see Pavano fail whenevr possible.
2008-09-14 11:20:43
18.   kdw
17 I would prefer not to see Pavano period.
2008-09-14 11:25:53
19.   Mattpat11
18 Yes, but obviously people in this organization see something in this man that isn't readily apparent to mortal eyes.

I still think they'll offer him arbitration.

2008-09-14 11:26:20
20.   Knuckles
I still would like to see Pavano go 8+ perfect innings in his last start of the year, and have to come out in the 9th with a hangnail or toothache or something.
2008-09-14 11:28:47
21.   Mattpat11
20 Brian Cashman would sign him on the spot to a three year deal. Its not worth it.
2008-09-14 11:34:11
22.   Mattpat11
I know we're angry at Melky, but what are we hoping to accomplish with this?
2008-09-14 11:45:05
23.   rbj
1 I'm in. Just had to mow the lawn before the remnants of Ike pass through here.

Even though the Yankees need Toronto to lose in order to pass them in the standings I still just can't root for Boston to win.

2008-09-14 11:47:07
24.   rbj
Yes! What a way to tie!!
2008-09-14 11:47:50
25.   Just fair
Awesome. Atta boy, Cap.
2008-09-14 11:47:58
26.   3rd gen yankee fan
Congrats Derek. Nice drama there.
2008-09-14 11:48:21
27.   randym77
Congratulations, Derek.
2008-09-14 11:48:50
28.   ms october
damn, good for jeter - congrats!
2008-09-14 11:48:52
29.   Mattpat11
2008-09-14 11:49:24
30.   ny2ca2dc
What's wrong with Cano? Gameday says he came out top of 5th?
2008-09-14 11:50:05
31.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for Derek Jeter.
2008-09-14 11:50:21
32.   Mattpat11
You know, when its all said and done, Jeter's offensive numbers this year are going to be pretty good.
2008-09-14 11:50:39
33.   ms october
and it's nice to see both wang and posada in the dugout - and seeing them on the field next year will be nicer.
2008-09-14 11:51:59
34.   3rd gen yankee fan
23 No way can I ever root for Boston. I've been okay with losing to Tampa Bay, since it screws Boston. Some guy on NoMaas put it appropriately, I thought: rooting for the Sux is like rooting for a bunch of 2nd graders who just lost their lollipop on the playground.
2008-09-14 11:54:48
35.   Mattpat11
34 I really, really want to see JP Ricciardi fall on his face though.
2008-09-14 11:54:48
36.   ms october
23 34 yeah i was actually hoping for the improbable scenario of toronto getting the wild card and boston not making it. though that seems to be losing what little chance it had.
guess i will just have to enjoy the jerks at they gym getting so ticked off at paul byrd yesterday.
2008-09-14 11:57:16
37.   Mattpat11
Good. Now lets get Carl's ERA up.
2008-09-14 12:00:52
38.   rbj
What?! An injury to Carl Pavano?! Unpossible!!!
2008-09-14 12:00:53
39.   Mattpat11
2008-09-14 12:01:52
40.   kdw
17 Wow, your power scares me. Please use it only for good.
2008-09-14 12:02:32
41.   Simone
Pavano is injured. Incredible.
2008-09-14 12:05:16
42.   ny2ca2dc
At least Kennedy can come back up now
2008-09-14 12:05:30
43.   ny2ca2dc
42 Oh shit, or they could keep Ponson
2008-09-14 12:05:40
44.   Mattpat11
40 That ship sailed a long time ago.
2008-09-14 12:09:52
45.   3rd gen yankee fan
34 He's a moron too.

Yay! Bye Carl! Later! Sayanara! Don't let the door hit ya, etc! See ya! Hasta! Farewell! Happy trails!

2008-09-14 12:11:16
46.   3rd gen yankee fan
44 I guess Ricciardi is next then huh? hee hee hee
2008-09-14 12:12:55
47.   SF Yanks
Carl Pava no show.
2008-09-14 12:15:06
48.   rbj
#1 Web gem of the day!
2008-09-14 12:16:11
49.   randym77
Nice. I don't think Melky gets that one.
2008-09-14 12:39:45
50.   Mattpat11
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2008-09-14 12:40:03
51.   Mattpat11
What a scrub.
2008-09-14 12:50:48
52.   randym77
30 They're talking about it now. They don't know. He might be injured. Or they might have pulled him for severe lack of hustle.
2008-09-14 13:06:40
53.   thelarmis
terrible call against toronto in boston. chip caray is thrilled that boston is winning and getting the calls. what a fuckin' chump that guy is...
2008-09-14 13:11:29
54.   ms october
53 if we are forced to look for the bright spot or whatever of not making the post season- not hearing chip caray calling playoff games the yanks are playing in is on my list
2008-09-14 13:15:08
55.   thelarmis
54 good point! one good thing this season for me has been tbs carrying non-braves games. (i live in atlanta). i barely have to listen to caray this year w/ most braves broadcasts having joe simpson & jon sciambi, who make up a pretty good team. in fact, it was nice just watching the bravos deflate the muts in the 9th! : )
2008-09-14 13:18:14
56.   rbj
I hope Mo gets to save the Last Game.
2008-09-14 13:18:36
57.   Mattpat11
This save will tie Lee Smith
2008-09-14 13:21:47
58.   thelarmis
how was that 2nd pitch not a strike? clearly it was in the gamecast box. the first 2 pitches, really...
2008-09-14 13:23:07
59.   Mattpat11
Move over Lee Smith
2008-09-14 13:25:39
60.   thelarmis
59 nice. congrats, Mo! jeter, too... sorry for you that pavaNO got the W...
2008-09-14 13:27:39
61.   thelarmis
hopefully manny and company can give maddux some run support. he's pitching a gem and can pass clemens on the win list with a victory today...
2008-09-14 13:29:55
62.   Mattpat11
I don't think anyone actually saw Mr 3000. Didn't that bomb?
2008-09-14 13:34:39
63.   thelarmis
braves put a 5-spot on the board in the 9th against the muts 'pen. phillies charging hard in both the wild card & division races. should be a good game vs. the brew crew later tonight. poor astros getting hamstrung by hurricane ike...
2008-09-14 13:50:19
64.   randym77
Well, Cano wasn't injured. Girardi removed him because he was unhappy with his level of effort.
2008-09-14 14:27:06
65.   3rd gen yankee fan
64 Maybe Girardi could have tried this remedy earlier in the year?
2008-09-14 15:05:43
66.   randym77
65 And put in who? Alberto Gonzalez?

I suspect the only reason this happened is that the season is basically over.

2008-09-14 16:06:37
67.   Mattpat11
Jeter's current line


not bad following a Podsednikian first half line of


2008-09-14 17:26:34
68.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
game on tape delay here, already saw the score! ah well, still enjoyable to watch a victory...looking forward to Tampa-Boston tomorrow too
2008-09-14 18:38:15
69.   weeping for brunnhilde
67 I'm telling you, the guy's going to get 4000 hits.
2008-09-14 18:43:14
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
Cano, from the AP story:

"Sometimes I let the team down," Cano said. "Ninety-nine percent of the time I play hard. It's kind of frustrating not helping the team, and he's right."

2008-09-14 20:20:35
71.   monkeypants
69 I'm not sure he'll make 4000. Still, after all the griping about him this season, his numbers will end up not that bad. I will also point out that months ago I predicted he would end the season with numbers right around where they are now. Is he vintage Jeter c. 1999? Of course not. But perhaps fears of his "steep decline" have been somewhat exaggerated.
2008-09-15 01:20:08
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
71 I was feeling exuberant. :)

I'm not sure he'll make 4000 either. In fact, he probably won't, but he sure seems to have as good a chance as anyone, no?

He should certainly get well past 3500, and that's amazing enough.

As to his "steep decline," it seems pretty agreed that getting plunked in the hand set him back a good two months. And he still managed to stay above .280. Pretty impressive, if you ask me.

2008-09-15 05:57:34
73.   Chyll Will
Well I haven't abandoned you guys; the movie biz is just picking up so I'm working more.

Still, I'm ready to sarcastically celebrate the Yanks being eliminated from contention; if you think about it this way, there a few players on this team that have never NOT played in the postseason. That's amazing when you consider how long they've played. It's sad, but at the same time, I'd like to honor that achievement somehow.

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