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Seattle Mariners III: Audition Edition
2008-09-05 12:00
by Cliff Corcoran
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It was nice to see the Yankees take two of three from the division leading Rays. It was nice to see them score 33 runs in their last four games. Unfortunately, neither really means much. They Rays still have a double-digit lead on Bombers, and the Red Sox are still 7.5 games ahead of them in the Wild Card chase, now with just 22 games left in the regular season.

Tonight, after a 3,000-mile flight, the Yanks take on the only team in the league that has been mathematically eliminated, the 54-85 Seattle Mariners. The M's are back in spring training mode, using their meaningless September to audition some of their minor leaguers and try some others out in new roles. The big story tonight is 23-year-old fireballer Brandon Morrow, who will make his first major league start after having made 100 relief appearances for the M's over the last two seasons. Morrow posted a 1.47 ERA in relief this year, has struck out 10.17 men per nine innings in his big league career, and supposedly has a six-pitch repertoire.

Untitled If that sounds like a recipe for a frustrating night of Yankee baseball, focus on the fact that the Yankees are also auditioning a starter tonight. Andy Pettitte is pitching on a one-year deal, so the Yankees will likely be watching his last few starts for signs that it would be worth offering him another one-year deal for 2009. Last year, Pettitte's strong second half helped propel the Yankees into the playoffs, but this year, the veteran lefty has posted a 5.54 ERA since the All-Star break, a 7.04 ERA in three season starts against the Red Sox, and his ERA+ on the season is below league average for the first time in his 14-year career. In his last two starts, Pettitte has been roughed up for 12 runs in 11 innings.

Pettitte's value this season has been largely tied up in his ability to take the ball every five days and pitch deep into games. He and Mike Mussina are the only Yankees not to have missed a start this season, and the 36-year-old Pettitte is averaging more innings per start (just less than 6 1/3 innings per turn) than the 39-year-old Mussina. Given that, the solution to the Pettitte question ultimately has more to do with how the rest of the 2009 rotation shapes up than how Pettitte himself performs this September. If the Yankees can fill up the five rotation spots without him, they should probably do so, but if they're going to need an innings-eater to take one spot, bringing back fan favorite Pettitte on a discounted one-year deal would be the smartest and safest option.

The other options for next year's rotation include Chien-Ming Wang (who will be returning from the foot injury that ended his season in June), roughly 150 innings of Joba Chamberlain (minus any that might be used in another workload-limiting stint in the bullpen), the 40-year-old Mussina (who looks likely to re-sign), a big-ticket free agent the team might not land, and a group of youngsters and minor league vets led by Phil Hughes and Alfredo Aceves. Given that, having Pettitte on hand to eat up 200 innings would likely be worth the one-year investment, particularly as a backup plan to that big-ticket free agent, but if Andy's unable to pull out of his current slump, it will force the Yankees to think much harder about whether or not they really want him occupying a rotation spot that a prospect could emerge to fill and Darrell Rasner or his like could fill in the interim.

Seattle Mariners

2008 Record: 54-85 (.388)
2008 Pythagorean Record: 58-81 (.414)

Manager: Jim Riggleman
General Manager: Bill Bavasi

Home Ballpark (multi-year Park Factors): Safeco Park (96/96)

Who's Replaced Whom:

Bryan LaHair (minors) has replaced Richie Sexson
Jeff Clement (minors) has replaced Jose Vidro
Tug Hulett (minors) has replaced Willie Bloomquist (DL)
Ryan Feierabend (minors) has replaced Erik Bedard (DL)
Roy Corcoran (minors, no relation) has replaced Arthur Rhodes

25-man Roster:

1B - Bryan LaHair (L)
2B - Jose Lopez (R)
SS - Yuniesky Betancourt (R)
3B - Adrian Beltre (R)
C - Kenji Johjima (R)
RF - Ichiro Suzuki (L)
CF - Wladimir Balentien (R)
LF - Raul Ibañez (L)
DH - Jeff Clement (L)


R - Miguel Cairo (IF)
L - Jeremy Reed (OF)
L - Tug Hulett (IF)
R - Jamie Burke (C)
R - Matt Tuiasosopo (IF)*
L - Luis Valbuena (IF)*
R - Rob Johnson (C)*


R - Felix Hernandez
L - Jarrod Washburn
R - Brandon Morrow*
L - Ryan Rowland-Smith
R - Carlos Silva


R - J.J. Putz
R - Roy Corcoran
R - Sean Green
R - Miguel Batista
L - Cesar Jimenez
L - Jake Woods
R - R.A. Dickey
L - Ryan Feierabend
R - Mark Lowe*
R - Jared Wells*
R - Randy Messenger*
L - Justin Thomas*

15-day DL: L - Erik Bedard
60-day DL: R - Willie Bloomquist (UT), R - Mike Morse (UT)

*September call-up

Typical Lineup:

L - Ichiro Suzuki (CF)
R - Yuniesky Betancourt (SS)
L - Raul Ibañez (LF)
R - Adrian Beltre (3B)
R - Jose Lopez (2B)
L - Jeff Clement (DH)
R - Wladimir Balentien (RF)
L - Bryan LaHair (1B)
R - Kenji Johjima (C)

Comments (162)
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2008-09-05 15:31:29
1.   seattleyank
I live in Seattle and was hoping to go to the ball park this weekend. But Saturday night is the only night I'm free and I can't stomach the thought of a Ponson start.
2008-09-05 17:05:53
2.   rbj
1 Neither can the rest of us, Seattleyank, neither can the rest of us.

Any idea of who's lined up to pitch the final game at the stadium? It must not be Ponson or Pavano.

2008-09-05 17:19:27
3.   Cliff Corcoran
If they use the off-day on the 11th to skip someone's turn (and thus get Moose an extra start to go for 20 wins), then it just might be Ponson, actually. If they don't, it'll be Pettitte. (I think, I'm rushing a bit as dinner's on the boil).
2008-09-05 17:37:59
4.   randym77
PeteAbe reports that Rasner has been removed from the rotation. Aceves will take his start.
2008-09-05 17:40:21
5.   Chyll Will
3 Roy Corcoran?
2008-09-05 17:47:27
6.   rbj
4 Shocking. I do like Rasner, but you've gotta get the job done.

3 Thanks. I hope dinner wasn't ruined.
Pettitte would be an excellent choice, same with Moose.

2008-09-05 17:52:10
7.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
As long as Mariano gets in the last game it doesn't matter who starts..

Let's hope Ichiro gets 4 hits and the Yanks win tonight..

2008-09-05 18:14:30
8.   Cliff Corcoran
4 An obvious move after last night's game, and a good one that points toward next season. Aceves will be 26 next year, so it's now or never for him, and he's looked great in his two major league outings thus far. Of course, so did Ian Kennedy last September, but Aceves is a more mature pitcher who's been battle-tested in the Mexican leagues. I'd love to see him pick up a rotation spot out of camp next year.
2008-09-05 18:22:55
9.   Cliff Corcoran
6 My vote is that they use the off-day on the 11th to skip Ponson's turn and keep Moose on schedule to start the last game of the season for the extra shot at 20. Then use the guy they skipped to push Pettitte back a day in the rotation so he's on schedule to start on the 21st. In fact, if Girardi's paying attention, that exactly what I expect he'll do.

Picking up from the sidebar then:

9/11 - off-day, skip Ponson
9/12-14 v. TBR: Mussina, Pavano, Aceves
9/15-18 v. CWS: Ponson, Pettitte, Mussina, Pavano
9/16-21 v. BAL: Aceves, Ponson, Pettitte

2008-09-05 18:27:34
10.   Cliff Corcoran
Meanwhile, Melky Cabrera is back, but Girardi insists in starting Damon in center because he can't look like he's conceding the season yet. I hope he can do so soon and start working Gardner and Melky back into the lineup. Melky needed to be demoted for the team to have a chance, but now that they have no real chance, Cabrera and Gardner need some playing time.
2008-09-05 18:30:57
11.   Raf
8 To that point, it appears that Kennedy has a biennial fastball so I wouldn't discount his performance this year just yet.

Watching the SWB on gameday, from the looks of his pic, Igawa hasn't missed many buffets...

2008-09-05 18:36:14
12.   williamnyy23
Rays lose...Quentin breaks his wrist...things seem to be unfolding nicely for the Red Sox.
2008-09-05 18:46:26
13.   Shaun P
12 I take it that means Beckett is pitching (and doing well)? (Busy now so can't check myself thanks in advance.)
2008-09-05 18:50:27
14.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
12 yep, looks like the division and ALCS is going to them again..damn...where is that vaunted Texas offense tonight?
2008-09-05 19:01:29
15.   williamnyy23
No Michael Kay...YES!
2008-09-05 19:03:34
16.   williamnyy23
13 Yes...was 5-0 last time I checked. Texas looks ready to play some golf.
2008-09-05 19:09:37
17.   dianagramr
Safeco is a heck of a nice ballpark (I've been there once).
2008-09-05 19:11:07
18.   dianagramr
Johjima's offense fell off a cliff this year.
2008-09-05 19:11:55
19.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
15 it's the little things in life.. :) can switch from the Japanese announcers this morning then
2008-09-05 19:14:43
20.   Max
16 7-0 now. Beckett 5 innings, 80 pitches. Looks like it may be the Sox taking the division. Not only that, but all the potential challengers in the playoffs have so many flaws that it may be another WS title as well. I think I'm going to be following footbal and basketball obsessively from October on.
2008-09-05 19:14:54
21.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
18 and didn't they sign him to a 3-year deal? word here is that they were taking care of him before he returns to Japan...

Cairo at 1B???

2008-09-05 19:16:54
22.   cult of basebaal
21 yeah, with as much as has gone wrong with the yankees this year, at least we're not mariners' fans ...
2008-09-05 19:18:02
23.   Just fair
I feel like I am close to alone on this one, but I look at Abreu's #'s and think why shouldn't he be back next year. Who is going to be better in right? Is Nady the only sure thing over the winter?
2008-09-05 19:20:08
24.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
23 at what price though? I don't see Giambino coming back so maybe they can spare the cash if he takes a 2 yr deal...
2008-09-05 19:22:07
25.   OldYanksFan
I would take Bobby back for a year, but I'll guess he's looking for 2 or 3 years. And his numbers are very decent, buy his glove is rated at about the worst in baseball.
2008-09-05 19:22:38
26.   JL25and3
10 My fear is that Melky will have a couple of good weeks, and we'll see him in CF again next year.
2008-09-05 19:23:12
27.   Just fair
24 He seems mighty comfortable here b/c he's real low on the attention scale. 2 years 20 miillion. He's played 150 games per year for a while.
2008-09-05 19:24:18
28.   Just fair
And after watching Upton play center for 3 games, I weep even more for Abreu's defense. : (
2008-09-05 19:25:04
29.   williamnyy23
23 Abreu has been solid, but I don't think he is work a 3-year/40mn deal. Besides, he is really a DH and the Yankees already have Damon and Matsui.
2008-09-05 19:26:37
30.   randym77
21 They didn't even expect Miggy to make the 25-man roster. He's ended up a staple of the starting lineup.

I kinda miss him, if only because he reminds me of the days when the Yankees didn't suck.

2008-09-05 19:26:42
31.   OldYanksFan
Was ARod's shot yesterday deeper then the shot over the foul pole?
2008-09-05 19:27:33
32.   rbj
17 Wasn't able to get to Safeco -- only time I've been back to Seattle was when Pinella came back for the first time and all the games were sold out. I did get to see a bunch of games in the Kingdome in 1994. They had Randy Johnson, Junior and there was the promise of some young kid at shortstop. I think his name was Alex Rodriguez or something. Any idea what happened to him?
2008-09-05 19:28:27
33.   randym77
26 Maybe he'll have a couple of good weeks, and we'll really trade him this time.
2008-09-05 19:30:06
34.   dianagramr
We trade for Beltre, move A-Rod to SS and Jeter to CF.
2008-09-05 19:30:44
35.   OldYanksFan
30 I liked Miggy a lot. He might go 3 weeks without an AB or start 4 games in a row, but he was always steady (as steady as Miggy gets). The guy seemed like a great teammate, never heard of a complaint from him, and he did come up with a few big hits. Lousy player, really nice guy.
2008-09-05 19:33:41
36.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
just watched A-Rod's 9th inning tater from a smooth swing to generate that kind of power...

Matt Tuiasasopo with his first MLB at bat! exciting!

2008-09-05 19:47:05
37.   OldYanksFan
2008-09-05 19:47:27
38.   OldYanksFan
I warned ya!
2008-09-05 19:49:49
39.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
37 yawn-inducing game so far...Miggy's power-display excepted...
2008-09-05 19:51:40
40.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
OMG..that throw from Damon hysterical...I love JD but really, any number of Banterites could throw better than that
2008-09-05 19:53:44
41.   williamnyy23
40 It is kind of nice to think you can do something better than a major league. I know I can throw much better than Damon!
2008-09-05 19:59:18
42.   Shaun P
41 Not me, sadly.

I'm starting to think that dropping Brandon Morrow in all my fantasy leagues was a mistake. He's URPing the Yanks, though he's hardly unknown.

2008-09-05 20:00:40
43.   randym77
Miggy still best .250 hitter in baseball, I see.

That coulda been a lot worse, actually.

2008-09-05 20:01:23
44.   williamnyy23
What did Singleton just say??
2008-09-05 20:07:34
45.   Shaun P
1 You are the local resident - which club has the party tonight the Yanks are trying to get to as quickly as possible? Morrow is at less than 12 pitches/inning. AIIIEEEE!

(He's making his first MLB start after 5 starts in the minors, after spending the last two years relieving. Why aren't the Yanks making him work? Or is he just locating his pitches that well?)

2008-09-05 20:08:10
46.   Shaun P
I'm starting to think that Pettitte hangs 'em up after this year.
2008-09-05 20:09:16
47.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2008-09-05 20:14:05
48.   Cliff Corcoran
17 It is. Great view of Mt. Rainier. I was there in its first (partial) season in 1999. Andy Pettitte beat Freddy Garcia 1-0. Alex Rodriguez and Ken Griffey Jr. were still M's then. Griffy made a nice sliding catch in center to keep things close.
2008-09-05 20:14:23
49.   Max
46 Andy's always been one of my favorite players...but yeah, unlike the last time, I won't miss him when he's gone. And it hurts to say that.
2008-09-05 20:14:59
50.   williamnyy23
47 Jeter's RZR has actually been very good this year...he is a small fraction from actually leading the AL. He looks a little better to the naked eye, but not that much better. Hard to figure some of these defensive stats.
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2008-09-05 20:18:10
51.   Chyll Will
45 Whatever club on Broadway Sir Mix-A-Lot is hanging out in front of? >;)
2008-09-05 20:22:46
52.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
51 you're lurking! Sir Mix-A-Lot..didn't know he was a Seattle guy..
2008-09-05 20:24:03
53.   Just fair
If every team next year simply called up 3 AAA pitchers each series to face the Yanks ... well, they would stink. I have no factual evidence to back this up by the way. : /
2008-09-05 20:24:39
54.   Cliff Corcoran
Hey, did you guys know Morrow is throwing a no-hitter?
2008-09-05 20:25:30
55.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
what a laser from Cano!
2008-09-05 20:28:30
56.   Max
54 I predict Cody Ransom will pinch hit in the 7th or 8th to break it up.
2008-09-05 20:32:22
57.   rbj
54 A no-hitter ? I didn't realize that Morrow was throwing a no-hitter . Sure would be a shame if someone brokeup Morrow's no-hitter.
2008-09-05 20:34:29
58.   Shaun P
54 So much for his poor command his first couple of starts in the minors. AIIIEEE - a NO HITTER!

51 HA!

Off-topic: Hey Chyll, whatever happened to Ozzark and Co? I could use a good laugh right now.

2008-09-05 20:35:47
59.   Just fair
This no-hitter is effin' lame.
2008-09-05 20:37:14
60.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
i want them to get no-hit, then see Girardi go Sweet Lou in the clubhouse...or more likely say "I liked our swings, the ball just didn't find any gaps"...
2008-09-05 20:37:21
61.   randym77
Man. Damon hit that one hard, but he didn't hit it where they ain't.
2008-09-05 20:39:47
62.   rbj
Excuse me, I think I need to go URP.
2008-09-05 20:46:08
63.   Mattpat11
HEADLINE: 2008 Yankees Continue Stated Objective of Humiliating Fanbase in Every Way Imaginable.
2008-09-05 20:49:42
64.   Cliff Corcoran
It would really be something for Morrow to throw a no-hitter in his first major league start, wouldn't it?
2008-09-05 20:50:49
65.   Mattpat11
I hate them all. I really, truly. with all my heart hate every over paid piece of shit on this team.

If Joe Girardi has an OUNCE of pride he will run every one of these losers until they drop after this game.

2008-09-05 20:52:00
66.   Shaun P
So, how 'bout that Giants' defense? Washington looked pretty bad last night.

63 Does that mean a Red Sox fan is going to pull the countdown level at the last game?

Hey, in this NO HITTER the Yanks almost have Morrow up to 13/pitches an inning! Way to go, team!

22 cult, I've made that comment myself, but I think its time to apologize and see if that doesn't help things; karma and all that. Because I'm pretty sure the M's fans are laughing at us Yankee fans right now.

Sorry, M's fans.

2008-09-05 20:52:24
67.   Max
Alex didn't even look awake in that AB. Morrow is pitching pretty darned well, but we sure look pathetic.
2008-09-05 20:52:59
68.   Just fair
This has all the makings of losing the no-hitter, shut-out, and win in one felt swoop...Or I may just be sniffing glue.
One damn bad inning from Andy. Crap.
2008-09-05 20:53:45
69.   williamnyy23
Just when you think it can't get worse...

A loss to the Mariners would have qualified as a low point; being off no hit by them is off the charts.

2008-09-05 20:56:10
70.   williamnyy23
65 Girardi is part of the problem...he should be running along side them.
2008-09-05 20:58:03
71.   cult of basebaal
nice to see good andy sneak in after it seemed like bad andy had taken the mound tonite
2008-09-05 20:58:52
72.   williamnyy23
71 Three runs to Seattle is pretty close to bad Andy.
2008-09-05 20:59:10
73.   RCK
Indeed, to throw a no-hitter in his first major league start would make for quite a story. Imagine going out there his first time and throwing a no-hitter.


2008-09-05 20:59:35
74.   Mattpat11
Have they even hit a ball hard?
2008-09-05 21:00:14
75.   cult of basebaal
as someone who pitched until my arm fell off ... and who still pitches, even if it is only high-arc slow pitch ... i'm enjoying tonite's game ...
2008-09-05 21:00:42
76.   Chyll Will
Ya got me >;) Sir Mix-A-Lot is a proud citizen of Seattle (or was when I last listened to him)...

Shaun, Ozzark & Co. is still among the living, I've been writing a lot and planning on finding a studio space to draw in. Meanwhile if you need a laugh, you should check out my recent takes on homicidal fast food chains and black market undies >;)

2008-09-05 21:00:50
77.   williamnyy23
Reminds me of Hughes in Texas last year :(
2008-09-05 21:01:06
78.   Just fair
No way it's going to happen. I don't care if it's the '08 Yankeees edition. It would just be too ridiculous.
2008-09-05 21:01:24
79.   Mattpat11
Now they're just swinging at shit.

They deserve this no hitter.

2008-09-05 21:01:46
80.   williamnyy23
Cano is the no-hitter killer.
2008-09-05 21:01:55
81.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
great pitch to Nady..i love baseball more than the Yankees, i want to see the no-no...
2008-09-05 21:02:32
82.   Mattpat11
I think Matsui is our last hope. He can't walk here
2008-09-05 21:02:33
83.   williamnyy23
81 Rooting for a no-hitter against the Yankees? Ouch...I could never do that.
2008-09-05 21:03:37
84.   Shaun P
76 Thank you and I will. (Black market undies?)

77 So Morrow is going to pull his hamstring and come out at any moment now?

2008-09-05 21:03:41
85.   Just fair
80 Or the double play inducer?
2008-09-05 21:03:57
86.   Mattpat11
2008-09-05 21:04:09
87.   cult of basebaal
81 i've got yer back here, mr ok ... this is good stuff
2008-09-05 21:04:41
88.   Mattpat11
2008-09-05 21:04:48
89.   Cliff Corcoran
Jeepers. A play like that on a drive like that and you have to figure Morrow's gonna do it.
2008-09-05 21:05:03
90.   Just fair
2008-09-05 21:05:12
91.   williamnyy23
That would have made for an interesting official scorers decision.
2008-09-05 21:05:20
92.   williamnyy23
That would have made for an interesting official scorers decision.
2008-09-05 21:05:23
93.   Cliff Corcoran
88 You're free to turn off the TV and the computer and do something else with your evening.
2008-09-05 21:05:51
94.   williamnyy23
Girardi also wants him to get the no-hitter I guess?
2008-09-05 21:05:52
95.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
83 what would you rather see, a 3-0 loss to Seattle with two cheap singles, or a no-hitter by a guy making his first MLB start??
2008-09-05 21:06:08
96.   Mattpat11
Oh good. Fucking Betemit. I'm filled with confidence.
2008-09-05 21:06:29
97.   randym77
We're going to be no-hit, aren't we?
2008-09-05 21:06:59
98.   williamnyy23
95 Never a no-hitter against my team.
2008-09-05 21:07:02
99.   Just fair
95 The former. C'mon!
2008-09-05 21:07:11
100.   Mattpat11
I take back anything I ever said about Wilson Betemit.
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2008-09-05 21:07:21
101.   williamnyy23
I stand corrected...thank you Mr. Betemit!
2008-09-05 21:07:36
102.   Shaun P
2008-09-05 21:07:37
103.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Holy !#"$...Wilson Betemit, the pride of San Pedro de Macaris...
2008-09-05 21:07:37
104.   Cliff Corcoran
Good call 68 !
2008-09-05 21:08:21
105.   cult of basebaal
2008-09-05 21:08:41
106.   Cliff Corcoran
104 (well, almost)
2008-09-05 21:08:45
107.   randym77
No-hitter gone, shutout gone. Now get working on win gone!
2008-09-05 21:08:47
108.   Just fair
104 Only 2 fer 3 so far. We'll see. : )
2008-09-05 21:08:47
109.   williamnyy23
Man it feels weird to be taking a moral victory out of not being no-hit.
2008-09-05 21:08:51
110.   Shaun P
A tip of my cap to Morrow. Hell of a first start.

I knew I shouldn't have dropped him.

2008-09-05 21:08:54
111.   Mattpat11
95 The former. Irrelevant now, but I'd rather not see this team humiliated. I hate them all, but they're still my team.
2008-09-05 21:09:50
112.   cult of basebaal
98 the only thing i never want to see, is a no hitter by a red sox pitcher against my team, otherwise, i feel honored by the occasion.
2008-09-05 21:10:07
113.   williamnyy23
I wonder if the media in Seattle is clamoring for Morrow to return to the bullpen?
2008-09-05 21:10:56
114.   RCK
95 I hate to see the Yankees get no hit. That was still an amazing 7.2 innings from the kid.
2008-09-05 21:11:40
115.   williamnyy23
112 There have been more than enough no-hitters throughout the years; I don't need to see the Yankees humilitated and the national media have a frenzy.
2008-09-05 21:12:34
116.   nick
Betemit! Mattpat, do you want him back next year now? Try to remember him this way, ok?
2008-09-05 21:13:09
117.   williamnyy23
Now we can get back to the more mundane humiliation of losing a game to Seattle.
2008-09-05 21:15:09
118.   williamnyy23
I vote for Cairo.
2008-09-05 21:15:54
119.   cult of basebaal
115 well, you and i see the occasion differently. when cone and wells pitched their perfect games, i didn't think, "wow, we sure humiliated that team!" i thought, "what a great performance!" maybe if this would have been a joe cowley "no-hitter" you might have a point, but morrow pitched a fantastic game, and i've got zero problem appreciating that.
2008-09-05 21:17:52
120.   Mattpat11
117 I can take a loss. The 2008 New York Yankees have conditioned me to accept non-competitive losses to crappy teams. Its sort of their hallmark.

Being no hit would have been too much

2008-09-05 21:18:02
121.   Cliff Corcoran
110 Yeah, I just picked him up.
2008-09-05 21:19:09
122.   Mattpat11
116 Lets not go that far.
2008-09-05 21:20:18
123.   williamnyy23
119 Like it or not, the Yankees are treated differently than other teams. The story would have been more about the Yankees being no-hit than by who threw it, even in spite of the unique circumstances.

Also, I would never root against the Yankees to fail unless it could benefit the team. There is nothing to be gained by being no-hit. I know I would not want to be on a team that was no-hit, so I can't see rooting for the Yankees to be.

There is no right or wrong...I just can't see rooting for the Yankees to be on the negative end of something like a no-hitter.

2008-09-05 21:21:41
124.   williamnyy23
Also, rooting for the Yankees to be no-hit is rooting for them to lose. It was only a 3-0's not like it was 10-0.
2008-09-05 21:22:34
125.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
123 too late for this year, but can't being humiliated act as wake-up call for those who need it?

and here comes hockey puck..

2008-09-05 21:23:11
126.   Cliff Corcoran
I just peeped Pete Abe's blog. He gives Morrow no respect. I'm sure having to literally follow the team every day has got him a bit burned out, but it's a pet peeve of mine when Yankee followers (fans or media) don't give credit to talented young pitcher pitching a great game against the Yankees just because they're inexperienced or a no-name.

I repeat what I wrote in my preview above:

"The big story tonight is 23-year-old fireballer Brandon Morrow, who will make his first major league start after having made 100 relief appearances for the M's over the last two seasons. Morrow posted a 1.47 ERA in relief this year, has struck out 10.17 men per nine innings in his big league career, and supposedly has a six-pitch repertoire.

2008-09-05 21:23:18
127.   cult of basebaal
123 i love baseball first and the yankees second. there is no "negative end" of a well-pitched, well-played no hitter to me ... ymmv
2008-09-05 21:23:43
128.   williamnyy23
125 Anyone who hasn't awaken yet is likely in hibernation.
2008-09-05 21:23:48
129.   Mattpat11
124 The game actually is winnable.

It won't be won, but it's plausible.

2008-09-05 21:24:30
130.   Cliff Corcoran
there's the bloop . . .
2008-09-05 21:25:22
131.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
A-rod with the go-ahead tater after a Bobby BB..?? or the more likely GIDP?
2008-09-05 21:25:32
132.   williamnyy23
127 Definitely different priorities then...after all, one could argue that the Yankees missing the playoffs is good for baseball.
2008-09-05 21:26:37
133.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
127 much as I love the Yankees, this season is over. I would remember a debut no-hitter forever, a comeback win against Seattle on a Saturday morning would be forgotten in two weeks..
2008-09-05 21:26:43
134.   Mattpat11
126 I'm the opposite. I've watched the Yankees, fans, and media tip their cap to so many career mediocrities this year that I'm numb to it.

How can you have DI in a two run game?

2008-09-05 21:27:55
135.   williamnyy23
126 I don't see why you think he wasn't giving Morrow respect?
2008-09-05 21:29:22
136.   Just fair
FECK. C'mon, Alex.
2008-09-05 21:29:56
137.   williamnyy23
Stole a hit there.
2008-09-05 21:30:53
138.   Mattpat11
Tonight really proved something to me. As much as the 2008 version of the team disgusts me, I'm still emotionally invested enough in this team to get worked up over a possible no hitter.
2008-09-05 21:31:43
139.   nick
no, Cliff is 100% right about this--look at Morrow's #s--if we had him he'd be called an exciting young fireballer...
2008-09-05 21:32:58
140.   williamnyy23
Oh least they weren't no hit. Maybe the boys can build on that tomorrow.
2008-09-05 21:33:02
141.   Cliff Corcoran
. . . but no blast.
2008-09-05 21:33:40
142.   Mattpat11
139 I don't care if he's Walter Johnson. Being no hit is an embarrassment to the team.

So the Yankees just get their customary regular loss. I can deal with that.

2008-09-05 21:33:47
143.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Morrow and King Felix give Ms fans hope..

what is that horrible tune they play when the Ms win at Safeco? sigh....

2008-09-05 21:34:12
144.   Mattpat11
Skies are opening up in NY
2008-09-05 21:34:49
145.   williamnyy23
139 Everyone knows that Morrow is a legit prospect. That doesn't mean the Yankees should go down so meekly for 7 2/3 innings.
2008-09-05 21:35:06
146.   Max
Great defense robbed Abreu, and then A-Rod with a horrible AB (capping a terrible game) to bail out Putz. Giambi out after a slight battle and ballgame over.
2008-09-05 21:35:15
147.   Cliff Corcoran
To my eye, Bobby Abreu took four balls, didn't get the walk, then hit an RBI double that got caught. Nuts.

Here's hoping Morrow doesn't have a hangover in his next start, I'm fighting for a money spot in my fantasy league.

2008-09-05 21:36:45
148.   williamnyy23
146 Abreu's ball was pretty routine and Arod was robbed of a hit, so I am not sure how that's terrible. While it may not have been hit great, no one gave him credit for the ball he scortched into a DP to end the game against the Jays.
2008-09-05 21:36:48
149.   cult of basebaal
132 that was "baseball", not "Baseball". as someone who played from the time i was old enough to throw through the point where i ran out of talent in college, i love the game and all the details of it. without it, my love of the yankees is meaningless. i didn't want the yankees to be no hit tonite, but if it were to happen because of a wonderful performance, i'm not going to order up a serving of self-loathing stew because it happened to be the yankees on the losing end of things, just like i don't ascribe superiority over another team when situations were reversed. i try to appreciate the beauty of the game, when it is truly sublime ... ymmv.
2008-09-05 21:37:02
150.   williamnyy23
144 And there goes my DirectTV.
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2008-09-05 21:37:05
151.   Mattpat11
Aw crap, Tubby's going tomorrow, isn't he.
2008-09-05 21:41:30
152.   williamnyy23
149 I've played the game too and still play about 80 games of fast pitch softball. From playing the game, I know I would never want to be no-hit, so I am not going to wish it upon the team I root for. I can enjoy the beauty of the next no-hitter against the Padres or whomever, but there is nothing beautiful about seeing it happen to my team.

Again, I don't think either position is superior, nor more appreciative of the game's beauty.

2008-09-05 22:00:42
153.   Cliff Corcoran
149 amen.
2008-09-05 22:13:09
154.   cult of basebaal
152 awww, never mind that crap ... here comes mongo ... err, a fanny/freddy takeover ... yikes!
2008-09-05 22:22:19
155.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[154} great news! i love it when my taxes bail out bad business decisions by others! it's the real life equivalent of higher tkt prices covering Carl Pavano's salary!
2008-09-05 22:26:02
156.   cult of basebaal
155 is that a bazooka in your pocket? or are you just happy to see me???
2008-09-05 22:38:06
157.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
156 haha, no, I'm just an angry, Leftist Easterner with no values! (unlike Bain Capital CEO Uncle Mitt...whoops, no politics!)
2008-09-05 22:46:37
158.   cult of basebaal
157 that was a reference to a ben bernanke appearance before congress, not sure if that made it's way all the way out your way, as it were ...

speak loudly and intimate you've got a big stick ...

2008-09-05 22:49:05
159.   cult of basebaal
158 sorry, "STICK"!
2008-09-06 00:05:21
160.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
158 Bernanke before Congress..sounds scintillating..easily more exciting than the Yankee "offense" against Morrow this morning..
2008-09-06 01:00:06
161.   Shaun P
149 152 While I agree with everything cult said in 149 , there is another bright side to each Yankee loss from now on though. It brings the team closer to the 15th worst record in the league, and a protected 1st round pick regardless of how many Type A free agents the Yanks sign (in addition to pick 29A for not signing Cole.)

The Yanks are currently tied with the Cards for the 20th worst record, 4 GB in the loss column from the Dodgers, who currently have the 15th worst record.

With a bit of luck, the Yanks could end up with 3 or 4 1st round picks (and some supplemental picks as well). Who knows how good the talent will be at the top of the draft next year, but if used wisely, that big an infusion of talent could help turn things around very quickly.

2008-09-06 10:42:01
162.   cult of basebaal
161 i see another convert to my late season mantra, "we play tonite, we get one loss closer to a protected pick tonite!"

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