Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Toronto Blue Jays V: Killing the Set In Stone with Two Birds Edition
2008-08-29 12:45
by Cliff Corcoran

Untitled The Yankees are 1-6 in games started by A.J. Burnett and Roy Halladay this season. Burnett (3-0, 1.61 ERA vs. NYY this season) starts again tonight against former rotation-mate Carl Pavano. Halladay (3-1, 2.48 ERA vs. NYY this season) starts Sunday against Andy Pettitte. That is a major reason why the Yankees' failure to sweep the Red Sox this week all but officially eliminated them from the playoff hunt.

No Excuses

The Jays lost Dustin McGowan for the season in early July, Shaun Marcum hit the DL a few weeks later and is currently back in the minors trying to straighten himself out. Second baseman Aaron Hill suffered a season-ending concussion on May 30. Vernon Wells broke his wrist in May and strained his hamstring in July, missing a month with each injury. Scott Rolen broke a finger at the end of spring training, which cost him most of April, and he just got back from a second stint on the DL earlier this week. B.J. Ryan made a quick and successful return from Tommy John surgery, but within weeks of his return, last year's closer, Jeremy Accardo, was lost for the season. Set-up man Casey Janssen has missed the entire season. Several les- significant relievers have also missed less-significant time due to injury. Shortstops David Eckstein and John McDonald landed on the DL on the same day in early May, and Gregg Zaunn, Shannon Stewart, and now Brad Wilkerson have also spent time on the DL. Rolen has been barely league average when healthy, and Stewart and Matt Stairs slumped their way off the team entirely.

Despite all of that, the Blue Jays could pull even with the Yankees by sweeping this weekend's series, which given the fact that both Burnett and Halladay are due to pitch, isn't as unlikely as it might sound. Meanwhile, the Jays' Pythagorean record is already four games better than the Yankees'.

Though the Yankees just left Toronto a week and a half ago, the Blue Jays have made four roster moves since we've last seen them, including acquiring utility man Jose Bautista from Pittsburgh (where he was the starting third baseman), demoting Marcum, activating Rolen, and calling up top prospect Travis Snider, who could make his major league debut tonight. A lefty-hitting outfielder, the 20-year-old Snider has hit .299/.375/.513 in his three-year pro career and moved from high-A through double-A to triple-A and now the majors this season. In 18 games for triple-A Syracuse he hit .344/.386/.516.


Toronto Blue Jays

2008 Record: 68-65 (.511)
2008 Pythagorean Record: 74-59 (.560)

Manager: Cito Gaston
General Manager: J.P. Ricciardi

Home Ballpark (multi-year Park Factors): Rogers Centre (100/99)

Who's Replaced Whom:
Scott Rolen (DL) has replaced Matt Stairs
Travis Snider (minors) has replaced Brad Wilkerson (DL)
Jose Bautista has replaced Kevin Mench (minors)
John Parrish (minors) has replaced Shaun Marcum (minors)

25-man Roster:

1B - Lyle Overbay (L)
2B - Joe Inglett (L)
SS - John McDonald (R)
3B - Scott Rolen (R)
C - Rod Barajas (R)
RF - Alex Rios (R)
CF - Vernon Wells (R)
LF - Adam Lind (L)
DH - Scott Rolen (R)


R - David Eckstein (IF)
L - Travis Snider (OF)
R - Jose Bautista (UT)
S - Gregg Zaun (C)


R - Roy Halladay
L - David Purcey
R - Jesse Litsch
R - A.J. Burnett
L - John Parrish


L - B.J. Ryan
L - Scott Downs
R - Jason Frasor
L - Jesse Carlson
R - Shawn Camp
R - Brandon League
L - Brian Tallet

15-day DL: L - Brad Wilkerson (OF), R - Dustin McGowan, R - Jeremy Accardo
60-day DL: R - Aaron Hill (2B), R - Casey Janssen

Typical Lineup:

L - Joe Inglett (2B)
R - Marco Scutaro (3B)
R - Alex Rios (RF)
R - Vernon Wells (CF)
L - Adam Lind (LF)
L - Lyle Overbay (1B)
R - Scott Rolen (DH)
R - Rod Barajas (C)
R - John McDonald (SS)

Comments (52)
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2008-08-29 15:00:37
1.   kylepetterson
Question 1: What are the odds that Pavano literally bursts into flames on the mound tonight?
Question 2: What are the odds that anybody does anything about it?
Question 3: What are the odds that Giradi tells the media that it's just a little heat damage and that Pavano is day to day?
2008-08-29 15:24:44
2.   Cliff Corcoran
1 50/50 chance on 1 & 2, but if 1 & 2, then 3 is a sure thing.
2008-08-29 16:10:52
3.   kylepetterson
Assuming we don't make the playoffs I want to see 2 things:
1: Moose get to 20 wins
2: Pavano throw a fast ball and have his arm fall off, then when he goes to get the arm he slips on the ball, flies up in the air, and lands flat on his back. Then maybe a gopher could pop up and steal the arm. That would be hilarious.
2008-08-29 16:11:10
4.   Alex Belth
What are the odds that the Yankees sign Burnett in the off season if he kicks their ass again tonight?
2008-08-29 16:12:22
5.   Eirias
I'd like to note: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
2008-08-29 16:14:15
6.   nick
my worry also Alex, which leads to: if we sign him, what are the odds that he starts fewer than 20 games and has an ERA over 4.5?
2008-08-29 16:14:43
7.   Eirias
3 Nope hope? You just want those two things? Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood.
2008-08-29 16:16:26
8.   Just fair
Scranton is playing the local boys on the boob tube up in Rochester. Juan Miranda was just at the dish. Man, he is an imposing presence in the box. He just got drilled in the leg, however. Shook if off.
2008-08-29 16:27:57
9.   Eirias
Yeah, we're picking Burnett up.
2008-08-29 16:29:32
10.   Alex Belth
You got to figure Hank will be pushing hard for Burnett. I just get the sense that he's not the guy with "STUFF" that you want. Unlike Beckett, Burnett has never really ever been able to put it together. He's like the Kyle Farnsworth of starters--amazing stuff that somehow doesn't translate into dominant performance.
2008-08-29 16:29:48
11.   rbj
Ooooh, Burnett & CC. Cost a lot, but there's money coming off the books.
2008-08-29 16:33:20
12.   Just fair
I just saw this in Burnett's contract via Cot's Baseball cotracts on the side bar.
deal includes 8 round-trip limousine trips per season between Toronto & Burnett's Maryland home for his wife. Ha.
Zambrano looks like Torre from behind. He's wearing #6.
2008-08-29 17:03:36
13.   Just fair
If a Pavano throws 4+ solid innings in the Bronx, and no is around to banter about it, does it make a sound?
2008-08-29 17:05:16
14.   rbj
Replay! Replay!
2008-08-29 17:05:44
15.   rbj
OK, never mind
2008-08-29 17:06:28
16.   dianagramr
Here's what its gonna cost to sit in the new stadium:

2008-08-29 17:09:05
17.   rbj
16 Kinda sickening. I'd be able to afford the Terrace at most, and that for just a couple of games. Mudhens games are $9 per seat. Every seat.
2008-08-29 17:09:41
18.   OldYanksFan
World's worst AB by Jeter????
2008-08-29 17:14:32
19.   rbj
Dumb then smart baserunning by Abreu
2008-08-29 17:17:20
20.   Just fair
Alright, Carl. One more scoreless inning here and pray the skies open up. IF the ark needs two oft-injured pitchers, I know where they are.
2008-08-29 17:19:44
21.   randym77
Barry Zito just gave up a grand slam to the Reds. The $126 million dollar man...
2008-08-29 17:19:46
22.   OldYanksFan
2008-08-29 17:20:55
23.   OldYanksFan
Red Panties over the White Sox 1-0 in the 5th.
2008-08-29 17:21:48
24.   randym77
17 SWB Yankees are $8 upstairs, $10 downstairs. But you can often get a ticket for free if you hang around outside looking hopeful.
2008-08-29 17:22:05
25.   Just fair
22 The option for next year is "only" 13 million bones. Casman may believe in him, but not for that much. Sheesh.
2008-08-29 17:23:24
26.   OldYanksFan
Banter Poll: Serious question...
If Pavano is a FA next year, what is he worth?
2008-08-29 17:23:44
27.   yankee23
The gb/fb ratio is a little unsettling as well.
2008-08-29 17:23:56
28.   randym77
Oh, the irony, if the Yanks find themselves having to pick up Pavano's option.
2008-08-29 17:25:22
29.   Just fair
Melky (melkbone) completely misplayed a ball over his head a few innings ago. He just now went back on another over his head and dropped a completely catchable ball. Ugh. He may be in a Mexican league next year.
2008-08-29 17:26:37
30.   rbj
26 He owes the Yankees a free season or two.

And gee, Carl Pavano not only pitching but outpitching AJ Burnett. What's next either a black president or a woman vice president?

2008-08-29 17:27:46
31.   randym77
29 Melkbone has never handled the ball hit over his head well. He just can't read those.
2008-08-29 17:31:48
32.   Just fair
30 How bout a basketball team with a starting 5 of
Bristol, Piper, Track, Willow, and Trig. Or the name of Sarah Pallin's kids. : )
2008-08-29 17:37:25
33.   OldYanksFan
30 Well, OBama is not 'all-the-way-black', and Hilary is not....

By the by... was OBama's speech fantastic or what?

2008-08-29 17:43:10
34.   OldYanksFan
Red Panties beating up the White Sox... 3-0.
2008-08-29 17:46:35
35.   rsmith51
I sure enjoyed that new VP candidate as the pregnant sheriff in Fargo. You betcha.
2008-08-29 17:49:07
36.   Just fair
Zambrano gave up 7 runs and 11 hits in 4+. Walked 3 and k'd 2.
2008-08-29 17:54:29
37.   rbj
Sure would be nice if the Yankees got some more runs.
2008-08-29 17:59:52
38.   randym77
Ugh. I'm not sure I like this knifey-spoony thing.
2008-08-29 18:01:36
39.   Just fair
Burnett gave up 7 hits and 5 ER's vs. the b.s. sox lineup last start. Baseball'll drive ya' nuts. Why the hell not start Marte this inning and save Bruney for later.
2008-08-29 18:07:28
40.   rbj
I'd almost like to have a rule that a pitcher has to face 2-3 batters or else he'd be ineligible for the next game (unless it goes past 10 innings)
2008-08-29 18:20:04
41.   randym77
I find it really hard to believe that Brett Gardner hasn't been taught to bunt until now.
2008-08-29 18:23:04
42.   Just fair
Where's Bruney?
Oh yeah, he nailed down the 1st out of the 7th. Not feeling too great about Edwar here.
2008-08-29 18:32:03
43.   rbj
Dumb ass fan. Well at least he didn't do that during God Bless America.
2008-08-29 18:33:38
44.   Alex Belth
Mo! Onions. Man, think Girardi is managing to win this one?
2008-08-29 18:38:55
45.   Alex Belth
Jeez another impressive outing from Burnett.
2008-08-29 18:41:32
46.   Just fair
5th time he's gone 8 innings. Pretty, pretty good. I am basically sick of him, though.
2008-08-29 18:47:41
47.   Just fair
I find the battery match-up pretty sweet. The greatest closer of all time throwing to arguably the greatest catcher of all time. Good W. : )
2008-08-29 18:47:57
48.   rbj
Yes! Sweet! Good night. Pretty expensive win for Carl Pavano.
2008-08-29 18:48:15
49.   Alex Belth
Man, Rivera is just so special. He was especially crisp tonight. Just a thing of beauty to behold. We ain't worthy...nah, sure we are. Just beautiful.
2008-08-29 18:52:07
50.   randym77
Our ace, Carl Pavano. Who'd have thunk it?
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2008-08-29 20:00:11
51.   Andre
CC seems to have been vastly overused this season. Isn't anyone worried that he'll be a big HUGE bust next year? a 6 yr contract may turn out fine over the full term, but I can forsee major problems in the short term.
2008-08-29 23:56:07
52.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Awesome, violent, terrifying Electric rainstorms over Tokyo last night, with huge flooding afterwards..then I woke up to see Pavano throw a gem and the Yanks beat Burnett...

i am afraid....

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