Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Say Again?
2008-08-19 10:06
by Alex Belth

Ponson, Pavano and, would you believe, Zambrano. Yup, Joel Sherman mentions Victor Zambrano today in the latest edition of his Hardball blog.

2008-08-19 10:36:29
1.   tommyl
Christ, now Zambrano is in the mix too? How many old, formerly crappy pitchers are we going to throw out there? Is Andy Hawkins still available?
2008-08-19 10:46:23
2.   Shaun P
1 I bet we could trade Farnsworth to Texas to get Hawki . . . oh, right.

I bet we could trade Igawa to Texas to get him back!

(Related question - who's stock has fallen farther this year, Igawa or Steven White?)

2008-08-19 10:54:11
3.   Cliff Corcoran
2 Well, Steven White got released.

I'll take Pavano over Zambrano, that is if Carl doesn't tear his rotator cuff putting on his jersey. I'd take Hughes over both, but won't argue if the Yanks don't feel he's ready to return yet. The last thing I want is for him to come back and struggle and have that get in his head.

2008-08-19 11:04:23
4.   Biscuit Pants
Hey . . . if Zambrano was worth trading Scott Kazmir for, how bad can he be?????
2008-08-19 11:11:25
5.   tommyl
4 Can we trade Zambrano to ESPN for Orel Hershiser? Call up Steve Phillips!
2008-08-19 11:19:27
6.   Chyll Will
5 You'll have to hang on, word is ESPN wants to trade Steve Phillips to Baltimore for Jim Duquette; apparently his douche quotient is off the charts. But wouldn't this be a lateral move that helps no one?
2008-08-19 11:20:57
7.   JL25and3
The Yankees could solve all of Zambrano's problems easily. All they have to do is hire Rick Peterson for ten minutes.
2008-08-19 11:21:42
8.   Chyll Will
6 Sorry, I meant E@#$... >;)
2008-08-19 11:25:00
9.   Chyll Will
7 I'd work on that reality show in a minute. I mean, for a minute.
2008-08-19 11:29:57
10.   Shaun P
5 Too bad Kruk's a lefty, or I bet we could get a package deal!
2008-08-19 11:30:07
11.   tommyl
7 Hilarious man.
2008-08-19 11:31:06
12.   dianagramr

you may want to copyright the phrase "douche quotient" .... its a keeper ...

we'll call it DQ for short

2008-08-19 11:32:25
13.   Sliced Bread
Just reading Zambrano's name in reference to the Yanks pisses me off.

As Cashman holds his nose, wading through the dumpster of not-so-appealing pitching options, I have one word for him (and two arms): Venditte.

Looking forward to seeing the ambidextrous kid doing his thing in the bigs next month. Him, Hughes, Joba, and A-Jax (ok, and Mo) are pretty much the only players in the organization who intrigue me at this point. The rest are penciled in on the "dead-to-me-until-next-year-if-not-forever" list, and I'm running out of reasons not to ink those names now, and get it over with.

2008-08-19 11:34:47
14.   tommyl
13 Um, Venditte is currently pitching for the SI-Yanks. He's not going to be in the majors for at least a year or two. The kid hasn't even pitched in A-ball yet.
2008-08-19 11:35:32
15.   Chyll Will
10 In a three-team deal, we could ship the suitcase and midges off to Los Angeles of Anaheim, with a B-prospect...
2008-08-19 11:38:40
16.   Sliced Bread
14 yeah, but he still intrigues, no?
I'd rather see what he's got than give so much as one pitch to Pav-zbrano.
2008-08-19 11:40:49
17.   rbj
Paging Bob Gibson, Bob Gibson to the white courtesy phone please.
2008-08-19 11:42:27
18.   Chyll Will
12 Douche Quotient © Chyll Will Ent., LLC (free to all Toaster subscribers!)

Thanks! >;)

2008-08-19 11:43:16
19.   ms october
7 the good news is i hear he is available

12 oh yes - we have a lot of dq ratios to determine

2008-08-19 11:44:20
20.   Chyll Will
13 The thing that worries me the most, Sliced, is if Cashman is really holding his nose, or does he think he's perusing a wine list?
2008-08-19 11:45:55
21.   tommyl
16 Except that's he's a reliever, not a starter. He's currently SI's closer. He does intrigue me, but not to the point of replacing Robertson or Bruney. He is nowhere near ready at all. I'd much rather see Melancon, Strickland or Patterson up than Venditte.
2008-08-19 11:49:07
22.   Chyll Will
17 Molina and I-Rod starring in "I Wanna Catch for Guidry"...
2008-08-19 11:52:33
23.   Chyll Will
22 (They had to change the name of the show when Whitey Ford dropped out for conflict of interest concerns >;)
2008-08-19 11:55:50
24.   Sliced Bread
21 Dude, I know he's not a starter, and fully understand he's not a viable option for the near future but he interests me more than anybody you listed.

20 Cash with the Chateau Lafite budget, and taste for Ripple?

2008-08-19 11:58:54
25.   tommyl
24 Sorry I was confused. You said you wanted him called up instead of Zambrano or Pavano, or at least I thought you had.
2008-08-19 12:03:28
26.   cult of basebaal
16 no.

he's a nice story.

he's not a prospect.

he's fringe-mediocre from the right side and that's his strong side ... if he even makes to the majors for a cup of coffee, i'd say that would be a miracle.

2008-08-19 12:03:37
27.   Sliced Bread
25 Yeah, I might have suggested that. If I did, it was just the futility of the season talking. The other day I almost suggested here, in all seriousness, that the Yanks abandon the DH for the rest of the year and make the pitchers hit. I'm dizzy from the futility. Please bear with me until I can adjust to the altitude down here.
2008-08-19 12:07:18
28.   tommyl
27 I still don't think we're going to make the playoffs, but we're what, 5 out? That's not impossible. This team will have to go on a tear, but its possible.
2008-08-19 12:29:07
29.   rbj
23 Wasn't it going to be sponsored by Toyota?

OK now, when one of the key anchors of your rotation is Sidney Ponson and you're contemplating adding either (or both) Carl Pavano and Victor Zambrano, it should be clear that you aren't going to the post season.

2008-08-19 12:30:04
30.   tommyl
29 Kabbalah!
2008-08-19 12:56:17
31.   cult of basebaal
29 it was never about the pitching ... it's still not about the pitching ... if this lineup hits like it can/should, we'll be in the hunt until the end
2008-08-19 12:57:19
32.   Shaun P
31 Still one heck of an "if" though.

I hope Matsui comes out on fire . . .

2008-08-19 12:58:00
33.   cult of basebaal
speaking of which ... lineup is in:

Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C

2008-08-19 12:59:12
34.   cult of basebaal
32 i wasn't really stating we were going to be in it til the end, just that pitching really hasn't been the main issue with this team's lack of success ...
2008-08-19 13:12:04
35.   Shaun P
34 And I agree. Here's to the hitting doing its thing . . .
2008-08-19 13:38:49
36.   Chyll Will
29 I don't know about Toyota, but I imagine not a lot of people are saying "I Wanna Work For Ford" right now, except maybe the ones who are in the line of fire(d)...
2008-08-19 13:41:16
37.   Chyll Will
33 I. Robot batting ninth. Huh, who whudda thunk it?
2008-08-19 13:45:11
38.   Brewer Bertram
Unlike Carlos, Victor is not a psychotic weiner who will pull his belt off during a brawl and have his team say that he was "changing his shirt"? There's something to be said for not being a serial killer with an electric slider. Long live Victor!!
2008-08-19 13:46:55
39.   Biscuit Pants
33 You know, on paper, that lineup looks damn good . . .
2008-08-19 13:48:06
40.   Biscuit Pants
38 Electric or eclectic?
2008-08-19 13:54:34
41.   Brewer Bertram
I suppose eclectic would apply. It becomes varied in quality the more rattled Carlos becomes.
2008-08-19 14:16:25
42.   cult of basebaal
39 imagine if posada was still healthy ...

would that go ...




that's a fun lineup to play around with ...

too bad, too bad.

2008-08-19 14:18:56
43.   Chyll Will
41 Can you measure his DQ? (see 12 )
2008-08-19 15:08:51
44.   ChrisS
39 And if it was 2001 instead of 2008, it would look really good (sans Cano and Nady, of course).

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