Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
More Runs Please
2008-08-13 08:28
by Alex Belth

D. Rasner is back on the hill this afternoon out in Minnie as the Yanks go for the series win. Pete Abe's got the line-ups.

Last night was exhausting. Let's hope for better things this afternoon.

Bombs Away!

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2008-08-13 09:12:08
1.   ChuckM
From BP...

AL Rumors and Rumblings: Yankees right-hander Mike Mussina is considering retirement at the end of the season, and is unlikely to sign with any team as a free agent other than New York.

2008-08-13 09:22:39
2.   RIYank
Well, selfishly then, I hope he gets 19 wins. He's more likely to re-up, I figure, than if he finally gets to 20.

Hey, how did the Red Sox get Paul Byrd for a PTBNL??? Esp. considering their rotation woes.

2008-08-13 09:25:10
3.   Shaun P
For a guy who knows better than to make any judgments off of small sample sizes (and encourages his readers to not make judgments based on small sample sizes), PeteAbe sure posts a lot of small sample sizes.

Yeah, they're informative, because they convey information - but really, does 7.3 innings mean that trading for Marte was a bad idea? Of course not, and Pete knows better. But I guess it gets discussion going?

And the Farnsworth thing is funny, because its so not true.

2008-08-13 09:27:28
4.   Shaun P
2 As JL said yesterday:

"Really good question. I guess the Yankees didn't want to risk getting stuck with another capable, dependable starter."

It was also pointed out that, his play on defense aside, he was likely to hit better than Melky, making the non-claim by the Yanks all the more questionable.

2008-08-13 09:45:22
5.   pistolpete
0 Yes it was exhausting, but ask me how much later I stayed up playing MLB:08 on Playstation. I'm such an idiot.

1 Take it for what it's worth - he's also "considering" playing a few more years. He's been quoted as saying he won't make a decision until November.

2008-08-13 09:58:11
6.   51cq24
you know the season's not going well when people are upset we let paul byrd get to the sox. at least it also means the season's not going particularly well for the sox.
2008-08-13 10:06:39
7.   cult of basebaal
3 yeah, he'd be much better using hawkins as the example ... dude's been DEALING in houston:

2008-08-13 10:09:47
8.   JL25and3
6 We've just had a game where the best performance - by a substantial margin - came from Sidney Ponson. How much worse does a season get?
2008-08-13 10:12:15
9.   51cq24
8 then again, the best team i've ever seen carried hideki irabu, the may ace
2008-08-13 10:15:18
10.   JL25and3
9 La la la la la la la I can't hear you!
2008-08-13 10:18:55
11.   cult of basebaal
that giambi guy's worthless ... he should sit more often.
2008-08-13 10:19:07
12.   mehmattski
This post is about A-Rod, whether he is "easy to pitch to" and specifically intended for weeping. I expect comments/suggestions!

2008-08-13 10:21:08
13.   SF Yanks
How is it that someone like Carlos Quentin can have such good numbers but be 9th in the league in VORP? Or Morneau who's 11th? Meanwhile Arods 1st, and hopefully he can pull off a late surge to nab the MVP.
2008-08-13 10:32:31
14.   cult of basebaal
wow ... remember when it looked like RIPPER cano was going to lead the 2nd half offensive surge??? those were good times ...
2008-08-13 10:34:44
15.   ChrisS
13 I'm pretty sure VORP is position-dependent.

I like the Rasner that can K the top two bats in the Twins line-up as a fifth starter.

2008-08-13 10:35:35
16.   cult of basebaal
someone ought to sit IPK down and make him watch tapes of mike mussina and kevin slowey for hours on end, Clockwork Orange Style ...
2008-08-13 10:37:58
17.   monkeypants
13 I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but if I get the gist of your question:

Isn't VORP adjusted by position? Morneau (1B, 116) and Quentin (LF/RF) play at positions that are averaging higher offensive positions. A-Rods comparable raw numbers are, therefore, more valuable relative to a replacement player at his position. Add in A-Rod's base running...

2008-08-13 10:39:35
18.   RIYank
Yes, VORP is relative to position. It doesn't include defense.
2008-08-13 10:41:48
19.   monkeypants
16 Ummm...weren't the films in Clockwork Orange designed to make Alex DeLarge not want to commit acts of violence? So your analogy would involve creating in IPK an aversion to pitching like Mussina!

; )

2008-08-13 10:42:13
20.   RIYank
Good job, Darrell.
2008-08-13 10:44:33
21.   SF Yanks
15 17 Ahhh! I see now. The light bulb has turned on after reading those sentences several times. Mucho gracias.
2008-08-13 10:45:38
22.   cult of basebaal
19 alright, fine ... then he should be indoctrinated through drugs and sleep deprivation "Manchurian Candidate" style ... until he becomes a mindless, fearless strike throwing automaton under the control of his nefarious Tampa handlers!
2008-08-13 10:48:54
23.   ChrisS
14 Hate on him all you want, whatever works, but: .330/.370/.532 since the All-star break. And he's got an .778 OPS since June 1st. That April really hurt his numbers. Compare his line to the Captain's .764 over the same span. And unlike Robbie, Jeter hasn't improved since the All-star break. Abreu, a RFer, only has an .809 OPS since June 1st and that includes a hot July.

But Robbie's the problem, I guess.

2008-08-13 10:53:36
24.   RIYank
Cutters, Darrell. Throw cutters. Come on, Pudge, take control.
2008-08-13 10:55:37
25.   pistolpete
Wow, Melky doubled the runner off? (following gamecast)
2008-08-13 10:56:18
26.   Yankee Fan In Boston
25 had him by a mile.
2008-08-13 10:58:01
27.   pistolpete
Melky taketh away, but unfortunately he doesn't giveth.
2008-08-13 10:59:31
28.   JL25and3
23 Well, in his first 8 games after the All-Star break he hit .500/.514/.916. Since then, .224/.286/.345.
2008-08-13 11:00:30
29.   Shaun P
26 A city mile, or a country mile?
2008-08-13 11:02:09
30.   pistolpete
Ok, someone explain what happened there. "Interference"...?
2008-08-13 11:04:30
31.   ChrisS
28 Eh alright.

Still, I have a hard time faulting a 25-yo second baseman for the offensive malaise of this team.

2008-08-13 11:04:45
32.   monkeypants
29 Nautical mile.
2008-08-13 11:06:12
33.   monkeypants
31 I have a hard time faulting any one player, young or old. Such a malaise as you put it usually takes a collective effort.
2008-08-13 11:06:50
34.   Shaun P
32 I forgot about knots!

Minnesota is the land of 10,000 lakes, so the nautical mile it is.

2008-08-13 11:08:46
35.   RIYank
32 34 Is that why I'm getting a little sea sick?
2008-08-13 11:10:28
36.   pistolpete
33 He's not so much to blame as much as he seems to represent it quite well.
2008-08-13 11:13:14
37.   RIYank
Uh oh.
2008-08-13 11:13:38
38.   williamnyy23
31 Why is Cano very blame worthy? Because of plays like that.
2008-08-13 11:13:49
39.   Yankee Fan In Boston
robbie is doing nothing to help out his defenders here.
2008-08-13 11:14:24
40.   Yankee Fan In Boston
39 i should have added "today" or "yet."
2008-08-13 11:15:50
41.   rbj
Hmm, from the comments & gamechannel it seems that when it was announced that today is "Getaway Day" Robbie heard it as "Giveaway Day".
2008-08-13 11:17:14
42.   Hank
Hey, I'm from out of town, and I'm hoping someone here can help me with a Stadium question. Will a three-year-old need a ticket to get in? I'm looking to take my family of five to a game this weekend, and it's a lot easier to find four tickets than five.
2008-08-13 11:18:41
43.   RIYank
2008-08-13 11:18:54
44.   Hank
I think I liked Delmon Young better when he was throwing bats at umpires.
2008-08-13 11:19:05
45.   ChrisS
And there's the death sentence.
2008-08-13 11:19:40
46.   Yankee Fan In Boston
that failed DP hurts.
2008-08-13 11:19:51
47.   RIYank
It's Belth's fault for writing "Bombs away!" Shoulda known.
2008-08-13 11:19:56
48.   cult of basebaal
28 moreover, he's just been lost on the defensive side of things ... not a good combo
2008-08-13 11:20:41
49.   williamnyy23
42 Yes...everyone needs a tickets.
2008-08-13 11:23:00
50.   ChrisS
Well, then Robbie's gone. Screw it.

I'm not fighting the consensus anymore.

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2008-08-13 11:23:02
51.   williamnyy23
I think Cano is slowly, but surely punching his ticket out of here. He has put together a very dubious lowlight reel of incredibly poor play over the past few weeks.
2008-08-13 11:23:08
52.   Hank
49 That kinda sucks, but thanks for the info.
2008-08-13 11:23:38
53.   Shaun P
48 Is it possible that it isn't the loss of Joe Torre that has hurt this team, but rather Larry Bowa? Bowa (despite the post over at Dodger Thoughts today about his recent chat) is a much better 3B coach than Meacham (I think) - and he also worked hard with Robbie on his defense, and kept him in line (supposedly).

I wonder if Robbie plays better if Bowa is still coaching 3rd?

2008-08-13 11:27:34
54.   williamnyy23
53 I wonder if Wang is pitching today if Bowa is still caoching 3rd, but I digress.
2008-08-13 11:27:43
55.   ChrisS

Trade this bum.

2008-08-13 11:27:56
56.   Max
54 Pete Abe expanded on this same issue in his story today about the struggles of Cano and Melkdud.
2008-08-13 11:29:08
57.   OldYanksFan
here's some feedback.
All those words!... and numbers! So confusing! Might you please summarize (here) your thoughts on the subject?

And your Bio says:
I am a Grad Student at Duke University, studying mating systems and inbreeding depression in mosses.

I have a question. Did you need to get Mr. and Mrs. Moss's permission to do this?

2008-08-13 11:29:19
58.   pistolpete
53 Hank should send him down to coach 3rd at AAA, just for old times sake.
2008-08-13 11:30:55
59.   tommyl
Hey, Melky made an out! Who else is surprised?
2008-08-13 11:31:33
60.   Zack
53 I have a very hard time citing a 3B coach as having such an impact. It's not like the Yankees won anything with Bowa around or looked all that great. If Cano really needs Bowa around that much, then, well, he's a doomed ballplayer...
2008-08-13 11:32:19
61.   OldYanksFan
Was that a 2 put HR by Delmon? Are those 3 runs charged to Razner BER?
2008-08-13 11:32:27
62.   ChrisS
Replacing him shouldn't be a problem, especially considering how well the rest of the team in key offensive positions is hitting and can be expected to hit next season. Ray Durham will be available this offseason, as will Aaron Miles and Mark Ellis.

Ooooh Felipe Lopez is too.

2008-08-13 11:33:36
63.   cult of basebaal
55 yawn.
2008-08-13 11:34:16
64.   ChrisS
59 There have been three hits by the Yankees in this game. I'm not surprised when any of them make an out.
2008-08-13 11:35:06
65.   Andre
52 49 can't 3 yrs old and under get in without a ticket if they sit on a parent's lap? I believe that is true at Yanks, although the cutoff age may be younger.
2008-08-13 11:35:10
66.   Shaun P
44 I know I liked Delmon Young a lot better before the past two games (including today's). Prior to that, he "hit" .281/.308/.353 with no HR and 12 RBI in 33 games.


2008-08-13 11:35:19
67.   pistolpete
Perfect, sign Durham away from SF, trade Cano for Lincecum or Cain.
2008-08-13 11:36:31
68.   ChrisS
63 I'm just getting on the bandwagon.

This team sucks and needs more consistent hitters. Especially gritty ones.

2008-08-13 11:37:03
69.   williamnyy23
65 I am 99% sure that all children, even infants, require a ticket.
2008-08-13 11:37:20
70.   OldYanksFan
I do concur that not having Larry Bowa is a loss, even thought his 'position' might not be that important. Larry was a ball buster, and while Cano ESPECIALLY needs his balls busted on an almost daily basis, even our other guys need their balls busted every now and then.

We have a veteran team, and they are supposed to be able to motivate themselves, but it is a long, grueling season. Larry Bowa is a walking wakeup call, and I think we miss that.

2008-08-13 11:38:21
71.   Shaun P
62 Well done! You're channeling your inner Sliced Bread there - I laughed out loud.

Hey - where is Sliced anyway? Haven't seen him around in a while.

2008-08-13 11:38:24
72.   JohnnyC
Durham's in Milwaukee. Maybe we can get Weeks.
2008-08-13 11:38:30
73.   RIYank
Children under thirty (30") inches who can walk freely under the turnstile or are carried into the Stadium do not require a ticket to enter. The child must sit on an adult's lap during the game without obstructing the view of any other fans.

(From the NYY official tickets FAQ.)

2008-08-13 11:39:03
74.   ChrisS
67 The best thing Cashman could get from the Giants for Cano is Barry Zito.

Nobody likes to sell low, but Cano's attitude is forcing the Yankees to do so.

2008-08-13 11:40:16
75.   pistolpete
69 Right from the horse's mouth on

Does my child need a their own ticket?

Children under thirty (30") inches who can walk freely under the turnstile or are carried into the Stadium do not require a ticket to enter. The child must sit on an adult's lap during the game without obstructing the view of any other fans.

2008-08-13 11:40:22
76.   RIYank
74 Damn, you're good at this.
2008-08-13 11:40:57
77.   Shaun P
60 Yes, but . . .

For Cano, don't think of Bowa as a third base coach. Think of him as a mentor/big brother. Sure, Cano is a pro and all that, but sometimes we all need a big brother (or sister) to help keep us in line (or get us back in line). Bowa filled that role; who is doing it now? Remember, Cano is just 25. I know I needed some help staying in line at 25.

2008-08-13 11:41:18
78.   RIYank
75 73 Pistol Pete is a little slow on the draw!

(Blows smoke away from muzzle of six-shooter.)

2008-08-13 11:41:31
79.   monkeypants
69 No they don't, I don't think. My buddy got three season tickets from a friend of his, and he took his wife, their 2 year old, and one other person to the game. So I assume that "babes in arms" do not need tix, though what the cut-off age is I am not sure.

I imagine that the team page has the info?

2008-08-13 11:42:55
80.   pistolpete
78 Took some time to navigate through that mess of a site. heh.

74 At some point Cano will get hot and look like the Cano we all fell in love with. It's at this point that Cashman should start working the phones.

2008-08-13 11:43:25
81.   Shaun P
72 To be honest, I'd rather keep Cano. I like Weeks and all but man, he is more lost at the plate than Robbie is - and even more of an adventure in the field.
2008-08-13 11:43:38
82.   RIYank
That's the Donuts I love.
2008-08-13 11:44:49
83.   pistolpete
Let's go, Alex. You're about to go on a hot streak now, right...?


2008-08-13 11:45:24
84.   williamnyy23
73 You learn something new every day...thanks...and sorry for the misinformation.
2008-08-13 11:45:30
85.   tommyl
80 There is no way at all Cano passes through waivers. An over .300 career hitting 2B, just entering his prime and signed to a long term team friendly deal. Um, you don't think some other team would want him? Just a bit?
2008-08-13 11:45:53
86.   JL25and3
79 That's sooo ten minutes ago.
2008-08-13 11:46:16
87.   monkeypants
70 77 OK, but all teams are made up of young guys and old guys who need a kick in the ass and/or motivation throughout the long season. Watching other teams perform well suggests to me that Bowa does not have an exclusive ability--other teams are getting motivated it seems.

So, either the Yankees are a particularly unmotivated lot, or the current Yankees staff as a whole is significantly worse at motivating the players, or this whole motivation thing is a bunch of hokum.

2008-08-13 11:47:13
88.   cult of basebaal
this road trip is scarring me ... whenever i see "in play out(s)" when arod is up and there are men in force positions, i immediately cringe and think DP ... i think everybody needs that off day tomorrow.
2008-08-13 11:47:38
89.   pistolpete
85 Oh I'm not saying he passes through waivers. I'm just saying Cashman needs to plant some seeds while Cano is hot, and then revisit the issue in the offseason.
2008-08-13 11:47:44
90.   monkeypants
86 I am a loser. And a slow typer as well. That shows you what happens when you answer the question historically (the anecdote about my friend) rather than legally and efficiently (looking up the actual rules for admission).
2008-08-13 11:47:51
91.   Shaun P
85 Wacko idea of the year.

Trade Cano to Mets for Reyes, straight up. Reyes plays SS. Jeter moves to 2B.

OK, now tell me why that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard.

2008-08-13 11:48:43
92.   51cq24
what the fuck is he thinking
2008-08-13 11:49:16
93.   cult of basebaal
they say the legs are the first thing to go, right Lemmiwinks???
2008-08-13 11:49:24
94.   pistolpete
More numbers for PeteAbe's blog, thanks Bobby.
2008-08-13 11:49:44
95.   Shaun P
82 I prefer a Stoplight (from P&C, for the other upstaters out there).

(Glances sideways at Abreu.)

2008-08-13 11:50:07
96.   JohnnyC
81 I was kidding about Weeks. But Cano looks like he's hit a plateau attitude-wise and is it really in the interests of the team to cater to his mental outlook by giving him a personal guru like Bowa? At 25, Alexander The Great had conquered 2/3 of the known world. Of course, he couldn't hit a breaking pitch to save his life.
2008-08-13 11:50:45
97.   Max
These yankees seem to be channeling April. Looks like the season is right back on its downward spiral, if the sixth inning is any indication.
2008-08-13 11:50:50
98.   Raf
58 I think I was the only one around here that got that... And it was AA, BTW. Maybe he should blow a bubble after every runner thrown out @ home?
2008-08-13 11:51:40
99.   monkeypants
91 It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. Why would Mets go for such a deal, hypothetically?

Hmmm,...Giese in relief. Does that mean he will not start next week? And if not, then Hughes?

2008-08-13 11:52:09
100.   tommyl
91 Who plays SS for the Mets then?
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2008-08-13 11:52:28
101.   pistolpete
98 I'm actually thinking Hank should send him down to Columbus, even though it's not our farm team anymore.
2008-08-13 11:52:34
102.   RIYank
97 Channeling April:
No!!! What happened to Aura and Mystique?

We definitely need a new medium.

2008-08-13 11:53:07
103.   RIYank
99 Hughes, I'm thinking, yeah.
2008-08-13 11:53:21
104.   monkeypants
99 Oh wait, Giese's start would be next Tuesday, right? So this relief appearance lines him up in the rotation.
2008-08-13 11:53:39
105.   JL25and3
99 Don't even have to wait for Hughes, since the Yankees put in a waiver claim for Paul Byrd.

Didn't they?

2008-08-13 11:54:03
106.   Shaun P
96 "is it really in the interests of the team to cater to his mental outlook by giving him a personal guru like Bowa?"

If it gets him to hit and play the field competently, F yeah!

What's a truly great Cano worth to the Yanks? And what would they have to pay Bowa? The math works. (And yes, I know this is the Mark Cuban solution - lots and lots of coaches. But I think it makes sense.)

87 Perhaps Robbie has just not connected with any of the current coaches like he did with Bowa.

2008-08-13 11:54:13
107.   pistolpete
99 Maybe Rasner shadows Hughes next week now? Why other reason for the early pull? He wasn't getting killed or anything...
2008-08-13 11:54:13
108.   williamnyy23
85 All bluster aside, Cano has moved from untouchable to very tradeable in the right deal. Would I simply dump Cano? Of course not...but if the right deal came about, I would jump on it. For example, if the Reds wanted to trade Jay Bruce for Cano, I'd absolutely consider that, whereas before this season I probably would have balked at such a deal.
2008-08-13 11:54:54
109.   cult of basebaal
as a wise man once said, "never mind that shat, he comes mongo!"

odd choice to bring in giese here ... just getting an inning or two in?

or is there a move that is going to be made that joey joe joe jr knows about that we don't?

hmmmmm ...

2008-08-13 11:55:08
110.   ChrisS
87 "or this whole motivation thing is a bunch of hokum"

That's my position. I'm sure morale of the team is an important thing. BUT these guys didn't make it to the major leagues because they needed a kick in the ass to get motivated.

Similarly, hitting with RISP is not a repeatable skill and it's largely the result of a relatively small sample size.

And I have no idea what Abreu is attempting to steal anymore, especially with a good catcher.

SB% last three years: 83% 75% 61%

2008-08-13 11:56:35
111.   RIYank
Good point about pulling Rasner. Hm. He was pitching very well, I thought.

I still think Hughes is ready and they plan to bring him up.

2008-08-13 11:57:06
112.   RIYank
110 I'm with you, for what it's worth.
2008-08-13 11:57:30
113.   tommyl
Um, why is Giese walking Kubel?
2008-08-13 11:57:34
114.   Shaun P
105 You're not going to let that one go, are you? I can't blame you.

100 That's their problem. Or maybe they shift Cano to SS!

99 All it takes is another collapse where Reyes performs poorly, and I'm sure the traditional media will happily point to him as the source of all their problems.

Hey, that has me thinking . . . don't Mets fans love to blame Beltran for all their woes? Maybe the Mets would throw him in! Melky-Cano for Reyes-Beltran - talk about a win-win!

2008-08-13 11:57:45
115.   cult of basebaal
wait what? injury delay???
2008-08-13 11:57:51
116.   RIYank

Does Giese maybe need glasses???

2008-08-13 11:58:12
117.   JohnnyC
Maybe Giese decided the question right here. Hughes on Tuesday.
2008-08-13 11:58:15
118.   Alex Belth
Bases juiced, down two runs...we got em right where we want em...
2008-08-13 11:58:16
119.   ChrisS
This has nowhere good to go.
2008-08-13 11:58:24
120.   YankeeInMichigan
I don't like the pitching move. Rasner has struck out both Mauer and Morneau and gotten Morneau to ground into a should-have-been DP. Coming off of a strong 5th, I'd have given Rasner a shot at the M&M boys and maybe Kubel (but not Young again).
2008-08-13 11:59:08
121.   pistolpete
110 I happen to disagree. There's guys who possess tremendous natural talent, and there's guys who have to work at it.

Cano may be one of these guys who was born with all the right tools, but he needs someone to scream at him every once in a while.

Hey super, Young's up with the bases juiced.

2008-08-13 11:59:09
122.   tommyl
Um, someone watching, what the fuck just happened? Giese IBB walks Kubel and is then lifted? Did they want to see how Robertson would perform in a bases loaded no out situation or something?
2008-08-13 12:00:28
123.   williamnyy23
I can just hear John Sterling warming out...ball game over, 2008 season over...the Yankees lose...the Yankeessssss lose!

Seriously, I think it's time to start rooting for Tampa Bay and Minnesota. If the Yankees are going to miss the playoffs, it would be nice to take Boston with us. At least that way I could still enjoy playoff baseball.

2008-08-13 12:01:35
124.   51cq24
122 not intentional
123 i think i agree
2008-08-13 12:01:45
125.   JohnnyC
2008-08-13 12:02:03
126.   Shaun P
123 Bah to your pessimism I say! Bah!

Robertson gets a double play. Or a K and a fly out. You heard it here first.

2008-08-13 12:03:18
127.   RIYank
126 Unambitious. A K and a GIDP.
2008-08-13 12:04:18
128.   tommyl
127 There's the K
2008-08-13 12:04:49
129.   Shaun P
127 In my defense, I thought there was already one out.
2008-08-13 12:04:54
130.   pistolpete
I've just discovered the 'hit zones' feature in GameCast, and turns out Robertson is pounding the area where Young is only hitting .180, his weakest spot.


2008-08-13 12:05:03
131.   51cq24
is there anyone who analyzes strike zones for different umpires and for different teams (hitting and pitching) or even different pitchers (and pitches) and batters? i don't really think gameday is always accurate with its pitch location, but it seems like the technology is available to determine exactly where each pitch is located. so why not analyze all the information and see just how big the strike zone is in all different situations? is someone doing that? if so, who? if not, why the fuck not?
2008-08-13 12:05:06
132.   JohnnyC
123 With their evident problems, I could see the Red Sox failing to make the playoffs, especially if their pitching continues to perform like last night. However, if they're playing most of their remaining games at home, you know they'll win games like they did last night. If all else fails, go back to sign-stealing.
2008-08-13 12:05:52
133.   Max
106 121 Agree with your positions. I'm skeptical of life coaches, spring training running programs, gimmicky motivational techniques, and banning ice cream (especially banning ice cream!).

But it's not exactly a revelation that certain players benefit from being ridden a little or having their buttons pushed in certain ways -- and that the individual doing the button-pushing frequently is someone besides the manager.

Sure, Cano is a grown-up and should be able to motivate himself, and blaming it all on Bowa's absence is probably a bit much. But I don't dismiss the benefit of Bowa's techniques and relationship with Cano as hokum.

2008-08-13 12:06:20
134.   cult of basebaal
"on field delay"???


2008-08-13 12:07:43
135.   Raf
134 Mystique and Aura ran out on to the field?
2008-08-13 12:07:50
136.   YankeeInMichigan
134 I would have thought it might be Young taking a shot at an ump, but it was a swinging strikeout.
2008-08-13 12:07:58
137.   JohnnyC
home plate umpire injured by foul ball. leaving the game. going with 3 umpires.
2008-08-13 12:08:18
138.   51cq24
umpire got nailed by a foul ball, he's out of the game, another one is getting gear on
2008-08-13 12:08:22
139.   Shaun P
134 Streaker?
2008-08-13 12:09:39
140.   Raf
So Young isn't throwing bats at umpires anymore, only injuring them with foul balls...

This kid is something else

(i keed, i keed)

2008-08-13 12:09:39
141.   pistolpete
Kissing bandit?
2008-08-13 12:09:46
142.   JohnnyC
not a gamer, this guy. didn't look that bad to me. probably was getting bored by the Yankees' offense.
2008-08-13 12:10:02
143.   Max
135 Mystique and Aura and 134 go together, I think.
2008-08-13 12:10:05
144.   Shaun P
137 138 D'oh, hope he's OK.

131 A great idea, but at first at least, there could be sample size issues.

In light of your comment, is it good that Winters is out? (I haven't been paying close attention to Gameday and the strike zone.)

2008-08-13 12:10:14
145.   Just fair
133 Just think how well Cano did immidiately after the ASB. The talking heads atttrbuted that to him hitting with his old man back home. Maybe the Yanks need get him to the Bronx and on the payroll. : )
2008-08-13 12:11:03
146.   JohnnyC
145 He's got the attention span of a gnat.
2008-08-13 12:11:12
147.   tommyl
131 Doesn't the league use Questec or whatever to grade umpires? Isn't that how postseason umps are chosen?
2008-08-13 12:11:28
148.   Just fair
141 Hey, Morgana? How are the twins doing?
2008-08-13 12:11:45
149.   51cq24
144 he was doing fine but he seemed to have some inconsistency with the inside corner to righties
2008-08-13 12:12:38
150.   Raf
145 Or they could do something similar to as was suggested in 22 to Cano...
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2008-08-13 12:13:10
151.   tommyl
Why is the game still delayed?
2008-08-13 12:13:13
152.   pistolpete
On a possible related note to the whole Cano/mental issue, does it drive anyone else nuts when in a post-game interview a player will be asked if he's "doing anything different" to be hitting so well lately, and the player will just shrug and say, "No, not really."

Then WHY weren't you hitting as well before, hmm?

2008-08-13 12:13:24
153.   JohnnyC
The replay shows Kubel got him in the mask with the foul ball. Yeah, it wasn't good. He got his bell rung for sure.
2008-08-13 12:13:29
154.   51cq24
147 i don't know what the league does with the questec info, but i'd like to see the numbers myself. the sooner this type of information is available, the sooner people will realize that we need some sort of computerized strike zone.
2008-08-13 12:14:27
155.   51cq24
this is an absurdly long delay. what the fuck?
2008-08-13 12:14:41
156.   Max
So who gets frozen worse with this kind of delay, the hitter or the reliever?
2008-08-13 12:14:48
157.   Raf
148 I'd imagine they're hanging pretty low by now; I think she's in her 50's.
2008-08-13 12:15:21
158.   RIYank
They do review (and maybe grade) umpires with questec. They don't release the reviews, but I know the raw data must be available because some academics used it for a study.
2008-08-13 12:16:06
159.   JohnnyC
154 Breslow, a lefty is warming up in the Twins' bullpen. Slowey's day may be over due to the long delay. Can we hope the bats come alive?
2008-08-13 12:17:15
160.   rbj
Via Peter:
"Meanwhile, home plate umpires Mike Winters is leaving the game after being hit in the head with a foul ball. Is it me or have a lot of umpires been injured this season?"
2008-08-13 12:17:23
161.   cult of basebaal
154 i for one welcome our new RoboUmp Overlords ...
2008-08-13 12:18:03
162.   JohnnyC
Productive outs. How unfashionable.
2008-08-13 12:18:29
163.   pistolpete
160 I dunno, who else was keeping track?
2008-08-13 12:18:54
164.   Shaun P
Sigh, I was right, K and a fly out - but I didn't want that fly out to be a sac fly!
2008-08-13 12:18:55
165.   pistolpete
All things considered, nice job by Robertson.
2008-08-13 12:18:56
166.   51cq24
162 to be fair, he first took what looked like strike 3
2008-08-13 12:19:01
167.   RIYank
Damn, Shaun, I think Dave made the same mistake you made.
2008-08-13 12:19:05
168.   tommyl
161 Dude, great Simpsons reference!
2008-08-13 12:19:48
169.   tommyl
Great job there by Robertson. Bases juiced, no outs and he gets out of it with only one run given up. Very impressed with the kid.
2008-08-13 12:20:01
170.   JohnnyC
Umps should go back to the old chest protectors. After all, it's not like they're going to be on the cover of GQ anytime soon.
2008-08-13 12:21:33
171.   Shaun P
154 161 Me too!

Wait. Giambi is being allowed to face a LEFTY?! Surely the rapture is nigh!

2008-08-13 12:22:38
172.   YankeeInMichigan
169 Not convinced. He got away with a couple of long fly balls by weak hitters.
2008-08-13 12:24:25
173.   pistolpete
172 Um, Delmon Young strike out...?
2008-08-13 12:24:28
174.   tommyl
Is Breslow throwing sidearm? His release point is waaaay out to the left and his fastball tails back in. Nasty.
2008-08-13 12:25:26
175.   51cq24
172 is that serious?
2008-08-13 12:25:57
176.   JohnnyC
172 I like the way he attacks the zone with his sneaky fastball. He's got the right approach. However, his curveball has been too inconsistent in the bigs. Supposedly in the minors it was a legitimate yellow hammer. He's probably squeezing it and losing the spin due to some nerves. I'd like him as set-up to the set-up guy...6th and 7th innings. I'm assuming Melancon's the 8th inning guy in 2009.
2008-08-13 12:26:01
177.   monkeypants
Ball hit the ump in his face mask, so I'm not sure the chest protector would have mattered. That said, the old protectors were cool looking.
2008-08-13 12:26:26
178.   pistolpete
Those little stats on the bottom of the GameCast window should just read "Chance of scoring here, let alone getting a hit: 0.00000007%" whenever we're up.
2008-08-13 12:28:04
179.   OldYanksFan
Wow... I thought after last night's important win, this team would be energized. Silly me.
2008-08-13 12:28:47
180.   JohnnyC
Cano's having a great season, eh?
2008-08-13 12:29:24
181.   Yankee Fan In Boston
2008-08-13 12:31:01
182.   JohnnyC
Cano gets in Melky's way on a pop fly to CF and then, instead getting the f**k out of the way, he stands still like a statue, impeding Melky's path to the ball.
2008-08-13 12:32:42
183.   cult of basebaal
179 yeah, i seem to have had that same realization about 5 or 15 times this year ...
2008-08-13 12:32:48
184.   Zack
God this team is boring to watch
2008-08-13 12:33:16
185.   tommyl
That was a ball?! Gameday has it right smack over the middle of the plate.
2008-08-13 12:33:58
186.   cult of basebaal
from petey:

UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: The game was delayed for about 13 minutes. Good job by Robertson limiting the damage. But it's 4-1 and the Yankees seem to be in a rush to go home.

UPDATE, 3:24 p.m.: Another "let's get this over with" game for the Yankees. They've had one hit since the first inning.

UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: That's a new one. Usually Melky and Robbie play poorly individually. They teamed up there.

2008-08-13 12:35:59
187.   JohnnyC
Michael Kay mentionned that the Twins have a 15 game road trip coming up. Oy. Looks like the Red Sox will have little difficulty making the post-season. On the bright side, this is the year the Angels sweep them in the first round instead of vice versa.
2008-08-13 12:37:47
188.   cult of basebaal
i hate bunts ... but BUNT HACKY NOW!!!
2008-08-13 12:38:22
189.   JohnnyC
If the Yanks come back in this game, this will be an instant classic. John Sterling's writing the intro already in his head.
2008-08-13 12:38:31
190.   Just fair
They just showed Abreu hanging out in the Yanks' bullpen area holding a bat. Kay said he was down there getting ready for his next ab. That''s a first.
2008-08-13 12:38:44
191.   pistolpete
2008-08-13 12:40:15
192.   JohnnyC
Reyes now in.
2008-08-13 12:40:33
193.   tommyl
191 Sure, they brought in a lefty. Makes sense to me.
2008-08-13 12:40:34
194.   Shaun P
191 Anything but Melky works for me!
2008-08-13 12:41:28
195.   pistolpete
Breslow was a lefty too, no?
2008-08-13 12:41:41
196.   JohnnyC
A bunt might have been in order here.
2008-08-13 12:42:36
197.   JohnnyC
Sexson strikes out.
2008-08-13 12:42:47
198.   pistolpete
Ok, never mind then!
2008-08-13 12:42:55
199.   Just fair
Right down the freakin' middle. WHoooosssh. Crap.
2008-08-13 12:44:13
200.   YankeeInMichigan
You know you're having a bad year when you get pulled for Richie Sexson. :-(
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2008-08-13 12:44:14
201.   JohnnyC
Damon's 1 for 8 lifetime against Reyes.
2008-08-13 12:44:32
202.   ChrisS
Dammit, Melky.
2008-08-13 12:44:52
203.   YankeeInMichigan
Come on, Johnny. Remember, PeteAbe loves you.
2008-08-13 12:45:38
204.   JohnnyC
nubber in front of the plate. like a bunt. but that's not what we had in mind, Johnny.
2008-08-13 12:46:02
205.   JohnnyC
It's up to Abreu.
2008-08-13 12:46:06
206.   ChrisS
According to these hit zones, Damon has been having a helluva year feasting on pitches up and over the plate.
2008-08-13 12:46:21
207.   51cq24
he was safe
2008-08-13 12:46:36
208.   JohnnyC
Took 2 strikes. What?
2008-08-13 12:47:34
209.   pistolpete
Right in his bad 'hit zones' too.
2008-08-13 12:48:17
210.   Just fair
200 You know it's a bad season when your only hope of scoring is a passed ball. Ah, as I type. Madness.
2008-08-13 12:48:30
211.   JohnnyC
runs scores on K and wild pitch. 1st and 3rd, 2 out. Alex up.
2008-08-13 12:48:39
212.   monkeypants
Wow, that play was almost Yankee-like. Hopefully the Yanks can capitalize on the opposing team's imitation.
2008-08-13 12:48:46
213.   51cq24
a bad call against the yanks helps them
2008-08-13 12:48:47
214.   cult of basebaal
fuck sexson, i wanna duncanstein back ... at least he's got some life and fire

meanwhile, this team needs an enema ...

2008-08-13 12:49:09
215.   rbj
USA is now up 7-6 against Korea.

(gotta root for some team)

2008-08-13 12:49:18
216.   JohnnyC
Crain coming in. Hope we give him the business.
2008-08-13 12:50:06
217.   cult of basebaal
215 isn't that game over already?
2008-08-13 12:50:29
218.   rbj
OK, second time this season I've seen (on the computer) someone score on a strikeout.
2008-08-13 12:50:33
219.   Shaun P
We want a(nother) non-out event!

We want a(nother) non-out event!

Doesn't matter which one!

2008-08-13 12:50:35
220.   Just fair
215 I believe that outcome has already been determined. I won't spoil the ending.
2008-08-13 12:50:43
221.   ChrisS
Umm... hmm. I don't know how to react to that one, really. Way to K on a pitch in the dirt, Bobby?
2008-08-13 12:51:00
222.   YankeeInMichigan
Oops. I saw strike 3 and closed Gameday in disgust.
2008-08-13 12:51:00
223.   pistolpete
Uh oh, someone doesn't know he's not watching a live broadcast.
2008-08-13 12:51:25
224.   JohnnyC
215 hate to spoil it for you rbj but that game's not live. US lost 8-7 on a walk-off single.
2008-08-13 12:51:45
225.   51cq24
ooh now that pitch is a strike
2008-08-13 12:52:16
226.   rbj
217 La la la la I can't hear you. I'm watching on tv.
2008-08-13 12:52:27
227.   51cq24
224 ass-hole, ass-hole
2008-08-13 12:52:46
228.   Shaun P
Twins have no more lefties in the pen, which means Giambi faces a righty as long as A-Rod doesn't make an out. C'mon . . .
2008-08-13 12:53:22
229.   rbj
224 Curse you. I wanna at least pretend it's live.
2008-08-13 12:54:03
230.   pistolpete
Jesus, 3-1 count and he flies out to center.
2008-08-13 12:54:36
231.   Alex Belth
Did A Rod at least hit that ball well?
2008-08-13 12:55:01
232.   Just fair
The ol' homer in a silo trick. Damnit.
2008-08-13 12:55:24
233.   JohnnyC
No. But Gomez almost lost it in the roof. However, he didn't.
2008-08-13 12:56:12
234.   JohnnyC
Traber's in. I guess we've capitulated.
2008-08-13 12:57:03
235.   YankeeInMichigan
The pitch was a fastball on the inside part of the plate, so a fly ball to center means that Alex was late. Hard to believe on an obvious fastball count.
2008-08-13 12:57:54
236.   Alex Belth
51cq24, I understand you being frustrated by the spoiler (which was not cool), but you can't call someone a curse word in here.


2008-08-13 12:58:14
237.   OldYanksFan
Wow. It has always bothered me when I read a comment that says 'This team sucks'. I myself, have never typed the comment 'This team sucks'. Now, I am fighting the urge to type 'This team sucks'. 'This team sucks' is in my head, but it just doesn't seem right to type it.

I'm glad I have such self control.

2008-08-13 12:58:34
238.   JohnnyC
Yeah but Crain throws hard and that is the book on Alex: hard inside and up.
2008-08-13 12:59:08
239.   51cq24
236 sorry it was a joke
2008-08-13 13:01:36
240.   Just fair
237 Ha. I said recently that I always say to my wife, "The Yankees Suck." But I've never typed out "The Yankees Suck" either. No matter how bad things get, I will not resort to typing that this team sucks. No matter what. : )
2008-08-13 13:02:03
241.   JohnnyC
Joe doing his LaRussa impression. Traber out, Bruney in for Gomez.
2008-08-13 13:02:28
242.   pistolpete
240 Because then we're no better than Boston fans. ;-)
2008-08-13 13:04:57
243.   51cq24
that was the cano error? when is that ever called?
2008-08-13 13:05:46
244.   OldYanksFan
What the hell was that?
2008-08-13 13:08:04
245.   Just fair
240 No matter what? Are you serious? Even after the 2b and SS don't know who has the bag on a stolen base?
Yes. arggghhhhhh!!!
2008-08-13 13:09:23
246.   pistolpete
Hey everybody, the bullpen's back!
2008-08-13 13:11:27
247.   YankeeInMichigan
Can't blame the pitching on this one (except for Giese, who was hurt). This one's on the lifeless offense and lousy defense.
2008-08-13 13:11:32
248.   JohnnyC
246 Marte was unavailable today.
2008-08-13 13:11:37
249.   Raf
Some playoff push this team is making...
2008-08-13 13:12:24
250.   51cq24
are you fucking kidding me?
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2008-08-13 13:12:54
251.   YankeeInMichigan
Let's be optimistic. If Mariano can blow a save, so can Nathan.
2008-08-13 13:15:06
252.   YankeeInMichigan
Weather Channel reports heavy T-storms in Minneapolis. We'd be better off without a dome.
2008-08-13 13:15:27
253.   Andre
Gameday states, next to Cano's name:

Strikeout, Fly out, Groundout.

Doesn't that just about sum up the whole offense?

2008-08-13 13:16:26
254.   ChrisS
Freaking Cano, drawing a walk when obviously this team needs a homerun.
2008-08-13 13:16:28
255.   YankeeInMichigan
Hmmm. Pudge has certainly faced Nathan plenty. Anyone have is numbers?
2008-08-13 13:16:41
256.   Shaun P
253 Cano walks!

C'mon I-Rod!

2008-08-13 13:17:16
257.   pistolpete
255 3 for 12
2008-08-13 13:17:18
258.   ChrisS
Nathan is living dangerously with Pudge right now.
2008-08-13 13:17:53
259.   Andre
I assume Nathan will tease us by walking the bases loaded so he can pitch to Christian?
2008-08-13 13:18:49
260.   Just fair
Another solid effort. Well done, gentlemen.
It's going to be a rough ass homestand vs. K.C. if these guys don't get their f$#@ing act together. I've never heard 3 hours of booing before. : (
2008-08-13 13:20:02
261.   ChrisS
259 Guess not.
2008-08-13 13:20:09
262.   Alex Belth

We're cool.

Yanks, not so much, dangit.

2008-08-13 13:22:00
263.   OldYanksFan
Guys... Is it official yet?
2008-08-13 13:23:41
264.   Raf
263 Mathematically? No.
2008-08-13 13:23:59
265.   cult of basebaal
260 this team deserves 3 hours of booing ... just a pathetic effort on this road trip
2008-08-13 13:28:33
266.   williamnyy23
I think it's time to join Hank in looking toward 2009. Hopefully everything is on the table regarding off season moves because this team needs a complete overhaul...from manager to bench.
2008-08-13 13:28:59
267.   Shaun P
I have never so looked forward to an off day. This team is a roller coaster, and I don't like roller coasters.
2008-08-13 13:29:34
268.   Shaun P
266 Still don't agree on the manager part, but here's to Cano for Jose Reyes!
2008-08-13 13:35:45
269.   YankeeInMichigan
Meanwhile, Rasner's numbers continue belie is performance. He really just made one mistake (the Young homer), and that wouldn't have happened if Cano hadn't dropped the ball.

(Then again, you can probably fault Rasner for becoming rattled by the error. Kubel sent one to the warning track before Young got his shot.)

2008-08-13 13:41:01
270.   Max
267 If it's a roller coaster, I think they're in the death-defying plunge portion.

I missed the part where they got to the top, though....seems like it's been mostly dips.

2008-08-13 14:10:28
271.   Bob B
Looks like those September 21 Yankee-Baltimore tickets I bought are really going to be the last game at the Old Ball Park.
2008-08-13 14:36:00
272.   standuptriple
271 The House deserves a better sendoff than this team is apparently capable of "producing".
2008-08-13 15:35:10
273.   JL25and3
268 You could argue that Girardi hasn't done anything particularly bad, I suppose - though I'd probably disagree.

But he has made some disturbing missteps, and he's only done one thing well - bullpen management. Unless that's your sole criterion for judging a manager, it's hard to say that he's done anything to suggest he's a particularly good manager.

2008-08-13 17:05:07
274.   Schteeve

Everything? Should A-Rod and Joba be on the table?

2008-08-13 17:06:55
275.   Schteeve
273 The platooning of Sexson and Giambi is almost inexcusable in my book.
2008-08-13 17:12:44
276.   Shaun P
275 I'll agree with that. Both should play when a lefty is on the mound; Melky should sit, and Damon plays CF (Nady in LF).

His platooning leaves much to be desired. But, in the process, he does seem to have gotten guys more rest than in the past, which I consider a good thing. They ain't getting younger.

273 Some say there is no such thing as a good manager - only bad ones who cost their team many wins with egregious mistakes across the board. (Recent example: Buddy Bell in KC.) Joe G. might not be a good manager, but I do not feel he is a bad one.

He's been on the job for 121 games. Its getting late out there, but not for Girardi - its still early.

2008-08-13 17:14:27
277.   Shaun P
Oh. Almost forgot.

274 No effing way. (Ditto with Wang, Hughes, Mo, and the stud prospects (Jackson, Montero, Melancon, DeLeon, etc.).)

Good night, all.

2008-08-13 18:37:15
279.   JL25and3
276 I'd disagree. There are definitely good managers.
2008-08-13 18:46:02
280.   JL25and3
276 , 279 Let me add to that. I think it's just wrong to say that the best a manager can do is simply not to make truly egregious mistakes. But then, all managers have things they do well and things they don't do as well. Billy Martin was a great manager, but only for a short period of time and at the cost of a pitcher or two. Earl Weaver was an even greater manager - with the right personnel, which he made damn sure he had.

Joe Girardi makes a lot of mistakes. he manages a bullpen well, but as far as I can see, he's shown nothing else up to this point. I'm not at all happy to say that - I had much higher hopes for him. But I'm struggling to see the positives.

I also believe that the fit between a manager and a team is important; a good manager in one situation might not be good in another. Maybe Joe is a good manager with the wrong team, I don't know. Still, I'm unimpressed so far.

2008-08-13 19:30:54
281.   Shaun P
280 But you're talking about two of the most exceptional managers in history. Perhaps the exceptions prove the rule?

To put it another way, what's the difference between the number of wins, say, Bob Melvin adds to a team versus the number of wins Manny Acta adds to a team? The truly great managers add many wins. The truly horrible managers subtract many wins. The difference between everyone else (in terms of wins added/subtracted) is, I suspect, not that great (over a reasonable sample).

Anyway this is more a philosophical discussion than anything else, and best left for when I'm more awake and have less work to do.

So I'll close with this - poor decisions get magnified when a team is playing poorly. And sometimes decisions that make sense are ridiculed because they go against the CW. I don't have the time now, but I might be able to construct a reasonable argument for sitting Damon on Monday. Maybe tomorrow.

2008-08-13 20:39:09
282.   Raf
I think the title is misspelled; shouldn't it be "ruins?"
2008-08-13 20:44:59
283.   Chyll Will
281 I can get with Smallville and Everybody Hates Chris and occasionally Supernatural.

The rest is crrrrrrrrappp... !!! >;)

2008-08-13 20:50:38
284.   Chyll Will
282 It may have been a pleasant and tidy euphemism for something Das Efx covered on their first album (hell, the way this team's played this year... )
2008-08-13 20:55:02
285.   Chyll Will
284 Now that I actually see what Alex wrote, that makes the most sense >;)
2008-08-13 20:58:44
286.   cult of basebaal
this link is just for ChrisS and his lonely stand for truth, justice and Rotten Robbie ...

2008-08-13 20:59:28
287.   cult of basebaal
286 gah, freaking long link

here we are

2008-08-14 07:16:54
288.   OldYanksFan
About Girardi: As fans, we always want to see the 'A' lineup in the game. But Betemit and Sexson are on the team. You can't give these guys the impression you would rather cut off your right hand then play them. You can't severely limit their playing time and then expect any production when they PH or do play. It may look ugly at times, but it's a 25 man roster.

About Lineups: True, I can't figure out Monday's line up; sitting JD AND Giambi. But in general, it may be possible that the above expectations play by both these guys is attributed to regular rest. On any given day, we don't know the physical or emotional state of these guy, and I assume Girardi does. WE Banterers can make great lineups based on stats and matchups, but we have no real 'human' judgement. Sometimes, we need to give Girardi a pass.

I would say Joe G. gets a B+ for BP management, a A for keeping players fresh and in the mix, a C- for onfield tactics and a C- for subs/PHs/PRs. Again, keeping guys fresh and emotionally involved means you are NOT always going to see the VERY BEST guy out there in every situation.

This team does NOT suck nor need to be 'blown up'. Considering our injuries, but especially the terrible underperfromance of so many players, it's amazing we are a over .500 team. Is Cleveland? Is Detroit? Do those teams suck?

If ARod and Giambi's RISP were the same as their OPS, we are very close to the Sox. If Cano has a .820 OPS, we are at least tied with the Sox. If Jetes wasn't having a career bad year, we are ahead of the Sox. From Melky, any thing other then total suckitude would have helped a little.

Even with all our injuries, we could be easily ahead of the Sox. It's a very good team, that in 2008, had a boatload of position players the performed from poorly to very poorly.

JD is the only (position) player who overperformed. I could say Jason's .915 OPS is GREAT, but adding in a RISP of .659 (in over 100 ABs) makes his contribution hard to call excellent. Same with ARod. After these 3, there ain't a lot of good to say, aside from the fact that Bobby was solid and clutch.

Shit happens. RCNB. Moose, JD, Giambi and a bunch of no-name kids really stepped up... Phil, IPK, Cano and Melky, the core of our 'youth movement' all really shit the bed. Who wudda thunk. Age wasn't the problem. All in all, our elder statemen kept this team afloat.

And BIG Kudos to Cashman. In the face of 'Santanamania' and the 'need to Win', he stuck to his guns. We got NOTHING from 3 of our 5 starters, and yet the kids who throw kept our team ERA exactly at league average. His mid season trades were not bombastic, but he 'dumped' Farns and Tabata while their stock was high, didn't give up any real talent (time with tell with Tabata) we were high on, and got guys that helped us now, and may be in the mix next year. $6m is way too much for Marte, but (as a FA for $3-4m) might be on the team next year, along with Pudge and X-Man.

I don't care who runs or manages the team. The players have to perform.

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