Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
2008-08-07 12:43
by Cliff Corcoran

Of the seven four-game series the Yankees have completed this year, six have been splits (the other was a 1-3 loss to the Rays in May). With a win tonight, the Yankees will make it seven of eight. The good news is that there's just one four-game series left on their schedule.



Untitled The Yankees have the right man on the mound for the job tonight, as Mike Mussina looks to pick up his 15th win of the season. Moose won 15 or more games in nine of the 12 seasons from 1992 to 2003, but has won 15 just once since then. If he stays healthy, he'll have nine more starts after tonight to see just how high he can get his win total this year.


Opposing Mussina is Scott Feldman, who beat Mussina in the Rangers' 2-1 victory at the Stadium on June 30. The only Yankee run of that game came on an Alex Rodriguez solo homer off Feldman in the fourth inning. Fortunately, runs have been more plentiful in the Texas heat (the average score in this series thus far has been 6.7-5.3 Rangers). Even better, the Yankees are averaging 6.2 runs per game in the second half to go with their .632 winning percentage since the break. All of that syncs up nicely with the fact that Feldman isn't that good (6.67 ERA and 11 Ks against 16 walks in his five starts since facing the Yankees).



Untitled With Ivan Rodriguez nursing the knee he bruised in last night's home plate collision with David Murphy, Jose Molina's turn as Mussina's personal catcher is well timed. He's joined in the lineup by Wilson Betemit, who will give Derek Jeter a half-day off by manning shortstop while the Captain DHes. With the DH spot again used in that manner, Johnny Damon will start in center for the second day in a row while Melky Cabrera rides pine for the fourth straight game. Rodriguez hopes to be back in the linup tomorrow.


As for Murphy, he's on the DL with a strained posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) in his right knee. Brandon Boggs will likely replace him in left field, as he did last night. Jason Ellison, a marginal righty-hitting outfielder who spent time with the Mariners last year, replaces Murphy on the roster. Also, for those who missed it, displaced Rangers closer C.J. Wilson was placed on the DL after Tuesday night's game due to bone spurs in his pitching elbow. He was replaced by Joaquin Benoit, who was activated off the DL and pitched in last night's game. Eddie Guardado, who picked up the save on Tuesday night, appears to be the team's new closer.

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2008-08-07 16:14:25
1.   randym77
Ah, Jason Ellison. Another of the Rangers' collection of ex-Reds. The Reds picked him up off the Mariners' trash heap last season. Bubba Crosby was on the DL, and they needed a backup OFer.
2008-08-07 16:27:15
2.   Cliff Corcoran
1 Josh Hamilton, Eddie Guardado, and . . . ?
2008-08-07 16:35:34
3.   JL25and3
2 Everyday Eddie Guardado is still one of the great nicknames of recent years - as close to perfect as nicknames get, IMHO.

My niece, knowing how I felt, got me an Everyday Eddie Guardado fishing lure, a Metrodome giveaway. Their freebies put ours to shame. (And I adore my niece.)

2008-08-07 16:42:36
4.   Cliff Corcoran
3 Gee, I dunno, I was looking forward to luggage tag day a week from Saturday.
2008-08-07 16:45:15
5.   JL25and3
4 I've already gotten the luggage tag. I'm surprised that they're not embarrassed to give it away - even talking about the Yankees and marketing $$, I'm still surprised.
2008-08-07 16:46:18
6.   JL25and3
4 , 5 Crap, and I just realized I'm going to that game as well. Oh boy. Another luggage tag.
2008-08-07 16:47:28
7.   Cliff Corcoran
5 I have to admit, though, the calculator they're giving away later this month looks pretty handy, and the final-season keychain doesn't look too bad either.
2008-08-07 17:02:52
8.   randym77
2 Johnny Narron, Jerry Narron, Elizardo Ramirez...
2008-08-07 17:10:35
9.   Cliff Corcoran
8 Johnny Narron was a package deal with Hamilton. Jerry Naron was a former Rangers manager who went to the Reds. I don't see him listed on Ron Washington's coaching staff or in the front office. Is he back with the Rangers in some other capacity?

Elizardo's the third guy I was looking for.

2008-08-07 17:14:00
10.   51cq24
all i ever want is the magnet schedule
2008-08-07 17:14:22
11.   randym77
9 Jerry's now a scout for the Rangers.
2008-08-07 17:14:30
12.   nick
Scott Feldman--name of a kid who used to get beat up a lot at my jr high school.....

Let's take this punk's lunch money!

2008-08-07 17:17:42
13.   Eirias
Moose can TASTE the candy. He's bringing it back.
2008-08-07 17:22:48
14.   randym77
Kinda quiet here tonight. Everybody watching football instead?
2008-08-07 17:24:59
15.   Just fair
12 More importantly, Feldman is the Bizarro Kramer. : )
2008-08-07 17:26:49
16.   Eirias
Jeter with the double-play. Wait? What? It wasn't Jeter? Eh, it will be next time.
2008-08-07 17:27:03
17.   Eirias
14 JETS!
2008-08-07 17:28:15
18.   RIYank
We should think about sac bunts, maybe.
2008-08-07 17:28:21
19.   OldYanksFan
Moose winning 20 games this year would be a sweet ending to what might otherwisw be a disappointing year.

Oh Jeez Robbie...

2008-08-07 17:29:09
20.   randym77
17 Is Brett Favre playing?
2008-08-07 17:29:20
21.   OldYanksFan
That REALLY sucked.
2008-08-07 17:29:31
22.   RIYank
We're just crushing Feldman and he's through the second inning with just 26 pitches.
2008-08-07 17:31:22
23.   51cq24
17 i heard jets fans set a record for most jerseys bought in a day today. good job!
2008-08-07 17:32:45
24.   Mattpat11
19 IF the Yankees are out of it by mid September and Moose has 17 or 18 wins, I have no problem with them moving the rotation around to get him as many shots as possible.
2008-08-07 17:33:22
25.   randym77
Byrd the Yankee-killer.
2008-08-07 17:35:52
26.   Eirias
Favre hasn't, and won't, play tonight.
2008-08-07 17:37:24
27.   ms october
nice, the rangers turn to gidps
2008-08-07 17:38:13
28.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team.

Just tuning in. Nice dp, Mike.

What's with the Betmeister at short?

Derek just getting a day off?

2008-08-07 17:39:08
29.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, never mind, got it from Above (thanks, Cliff!)
2008-08-07 17:40:08
30.   RIYank
GIDP given, and GIDP taketh away.
2008-08-07 17:43:39
31.   Mattpat11
That was the ballgirl that the fat guy fell on, right?
2008-08-07 17:44:11
32.   RIYank
More than half of Feldman's pitches were to Damon!
2008-08-07 17:44:40
33.   Mattpat11
It figures the Yankees would K a ton today.
2008-08-07 17:54:07
34.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Ohayo Gozaimasu. another 95F degree morning here, ready for some Texas taters from the Yankees! How does Moose look??
2008-08-07 17:54:12
35.   Mattpat11
Where the hell was that pitch?
2008-08-07 17:56:09
36.   Eirias
Balk? We need more games umpired by Angel Hernandez. Now that man knows how to call a balk.
2008-08-07 17:56:22
37.   ms october
nice job moose - don't share any of your candy with that shitbum ump.
2008-08-07 17:56:56
38.   OldYanksFan
34 Moose is a handsome guy, but I wish he would do something with his hair.
2008-08-07 17:56:57
39.   Eirias
I was unaware that there were weather delays in football. All my illusions, shattered.
2008-08-07 17:57:54
40.   Eirias
38 He has nothing on Warner Madrigal.
2008-08-07 17:58:44
41.   ms october
34 well derek already you got you one of those taters. moose looking pretty good - they are getting some hard hits, especially up the middle, and he is getting squuezed a bit, but he has gotten out of every jam or mini-jam.
2008-08-07 18:00:08
42.   randym77
Both pitchers seems to be living pretty dangerously tonight.
2008-08-07 18:02:09
43.   randym77
Seems like there's been about a million DPs in this series.
2008-08-07 18:02:12
44.   Eirias
So if Jeter and A-Rod switch for the series, will the right guy go back to GIDP?
2008-08-07 18:03:26
45.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
40 G. Laird on Gameday still makes me feel the heat though..

41 thanks! he can probably squeeze out 6 or 7 innings though..

2008-08-07 18:04:32
46.   monkeypants
42 43 Related observations, I dare say.
2008-08-07 18:04:34
47.   ms october
43 i wasn't fully paying attention but i thought i heard singleton saying this was a hard infield to play - if that's really what i heard, seems like that should have cut down on the number of dps, not led to so damn many
2008-08-07 18:04:47
48.   Jeb
12 how are we doing against Bizarro Kramer? Have Fargas and Gene shown up yet?
2008-08-07 18:05:39
49.   Jeb
Hey -- any word on Matsui? With this lineup it would be nice to have Derek Jeter play SS and Matsui DH.
2008-08-07 18:05:46
50.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
44 will this team surpass the all-time GIDP record?
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2008-08-07 18:05:46
51.   OldYanksFan
Wow... ARod needs an intervention. This is one bad 4 game series for him here.
2008-08-07 18:08:48
52.   ms october
48 glass half full - chipping away at him; glass half empty - letting him off the hook.
no fargas sightings yet; i think gene fell on the ball girl
2008-08-07 18:10:34
53.   Jeb
52 "Haven't you done enough!!?"
2008-08-07 18:10:44
54.   ms october
49 pete's got a long write-up on matsui - basically he ran today and was hitting the ball well. if the knee does not swell up over the next few days sounds like things will be going well.
2008-08-07 18:11:29
55.   OldYanksFan
Banterers here has been very supportive of ARod, and justifiably so... but really, he needs to step up. We know he CAN carry us to the PS, but will he?
2008-08-07 18:13:48
56.   ms october
53 55 maybe i will give arod a sharp shove to the chest and see if that gets him to carry the yanks
2008-08-07 18:14:04
57.   Jeb
55 he's having a bad series but that kind of screams 'sample size' to me. Players have slumps and bad series. We do need some consistent play throughout the lineup where everyone's contributing for a long period of time.
2008-08-07 18:16:16
58.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
56 I think he needs to snap out of this whole Madonna thing..perhaps a double-feature of "Shangahi Surprise" and "Cast Away" will do the trick?
2008-08-07 18:17:28
59.   51cq24
i vote for getting jackson up here myself
2008-08-07 18:18:21
60.   Alison
58 Shouldn't "The Next Best Thing" be enough?
2008-08-07 18:18:58
61.   Jeb
58 I think he should get together with Spitzer's hooker. After all she had a magic p**
2008-08-07 18:19:33
62.   Jeb
59 My only concern with Austin is that we could ruin him doing that.
2008-08-07 18:20:31
63.   Mattpat11
If Carl Pavano comes up and pitches like Carl Pavano, can he really be considered "reinforcements"
2008-08-07 18:20:49
64.   RIYank
Yay, Rob.
A bottom-of-the-order rally is in... order.
2008-08-07 18:21:09
65.   51cq24
62 i don't really believe in that, at least not for position players
2008-08-07 18:21:45
66.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
60 I couldn't bring myself to watch it..actually chose a Bollywood film on the flight home few years back rather than watch that one..

62 if they fall out of the race, what about adding Action Jackson to the 40-man?

2008-08-07 18:21:45
67.   ms october
60 i would think so - guess we figured out what the feature film will be on the way to anaheim

some more bizarro type plays/calls

2008-08-07 18:22:38
68.   RIYank
63 Are you sure?
Nobody actually knows what "pitching like Carl Pavano" means.
2008-08-07 18:24:04
69.   Alison
68 All I know is I won't be able to deal with it if he sprains his glutes again...that was embarassing enough the first time.
2008-08-07 18:24:45
70.   RIYank
What's with grounding out to the pitcher this inning? There goes my bottom-of-the-order rally.
2008-08-07 18:24:45
71.   Jeb
66 If we're out of it I particularly don't want to see him. Keep him in AA, maybe maybe maybe promote him to AAA during the last couple weeks and let him come to Spring Training next year and start in AAA. Then he could come up next season.
2008-08-07 18:25:31
72.   RIYank
2008-08-07 18:25:48
73.   monkeypants
50 I doubt it, considering they are only 8th in the league in GIDP this season. With 103 GIDP in 114 games (before tonight), the Yankees are on pace for 146 GIDP. I don't know what the record is, but by comparison, in 2007 Seattle and St. Louis hit into 154, KC into 151, Minnesota in 149; in 2006 the A's hit into 170, the Jays into 166, Minnesota into 163.
2008-08-07 18:26:24
74.   RIYank
69 Hey, who are you?

Uh, I mean, welcome to Bronx Banter.

2008-08-07 18:26:28
75.   weeping for brunnhilde
Is it me, or does Betemit run like he has lead in his boots?
2008-08-07 18:26:46
76.   OldYanksFan
Mr. JD again!
Did anyone think JD's contract was worth it?
2008-08-07 18:28:01
77.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Un-SABR comment alert: I have so much confidence in Johnny Damon as a clutch hitter..this lineup needs him!
2008-08-07 18:28:43
78.   ms october
59 i realize that it is a big if, but if matsui can come up and hit to something resembling his career averages as dh and damon can hold up in cf, i don't think jackson will hit as well as any of damon, nady, abreu, or matsui. granted this is a slightly scary defense but it has looked passable enough the past 4 games.
2008-08-07 18:28:54
79.   RIYank
76 I know, and this is year three! Pretty much everyone thought he'd be dead money by now, or close to it.
2008-08-07 18:30:00
80.   weeping for brunnhilde
I'm sorry, that was waayyy too close to take.
2008-08-07 18:30:09
81.   ms october
75 lead weighted down with concrete
2008-08-07 18:32:34
82.   51cq24
80 would you say that if he swung through it? it was clearly outside.
2008-08-07 18:33:27
83.   Jeb
looks like bizarro kramer's wheels are coming off and he's starting to pitch like a real texas ranger.

Alison -- welcome to the Banter!

2008-08-07 18:36:41
84.   weeping for brunnhilde
Agggh, F. U. C. K.
2008-08-07 18:37:09
85.   RIYank
Got the pitch he wanted, too.
2008-08-07 18:37:13
86.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
83 Hi Alison. the Banter is a great place, things will really heat up here if you talk about any of the folowing: Melky's sliding ability, plate approach by the entire lineup, anythign abotu Pavano. Welcome!
2008-08-07 18:37:42
87.   Just fair
Whose the BR expert? I have spent the last 20 minutes trying to find the hitting stats of all teams that inlude GIDP. please help.....
2008-08-07 18:38:06
88.   Alison
74 I'm a newbie...a friend of mine turned me on to you guys and I've been lurking for a few weeks...
2008-08-07 18:38:46
89.   monkeypants
76 79 I'm guilty as charged! I thought he was cooked last season. Now it looks like the team will get 2 very good and 1 pretty season out of Damon, at least.
2008-08-07 18:38:47
90.   weeping for brunnhilde
82 Really? It didn't look clearly outside to me. I was all set for the punch-out and extremely relieved to see it called a ball.

I'm glad he walked, but honestly, it looked too close to take with a guy in RISP to me.

2008-08-07 18:39:20
91.   weeping for brunnhilde
86 About who?
2008-08-07 18:39:42
92.   Alison
Thanks for the welcome everyone...I've been enjoying your gametime discussions, especially the one last night about the merits/downfalls of blocking the plate.
2008-08-07 18:40:00
93.   monkeypants
87 I can't figure out how to get a list of team batting stats on BR. You can look at's bb sortable team stats back to 2000.
2008-08-07 18:41:36
94.   monkeypants
90 What difference does it make if there was a RISP? Either it was too close to take or it wasn't. I don't understand why a batter should be less selective with RISP.
2008-08-07 18:41:41
95.   Just fair
48 Jeb. Did you catch that Drake is the homeplate umpire tonight? I hate the Drake. Then there's Ian Kinsler.
Not Een. But Ian. : )
2008-08-07 18:42:47
96.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
91 have there not been some Country&Western songs written about Pavano? Lurleen Lumpkin could capture him perfectly I fell..
2008-08-07 18:44:03
97.   Just fair
93 Thanks. I found all the team stats in BR but it doesn't include dp's for some reason. They show how many dp's a team has turned in the field, but that's not what I wanted to know. Good play, Alex.
2008-08-07 18:44:25
98.   RIYank
94 Hm, if it's close, it makes sense to me to be less selective with RISP. Because the relative value of a walk (compared to a hit) goes down.
2008-08-07 18:44:25
99.   weeping for brunnhilde
94 I just despise the idea of someone taking a third strike when putting the bat on the ball will yield a better shot at getting the runner in.

If there's no one on base and he takes that pitch and it's strike three, I shrug it off.

If he takes that pitch with a duck on the pond I'm frustrated.

2008-08-07 18:44:27
100.   Alison
86 And the only time I'll get 'heated' will be if there is discussion on how Giambi is better than Tino was...
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2008-08-07 18:45:33
101.   RIYank
99 Well, but now I'm with Monkeypants. How do you think those ducks get on the pond??
2008-08-07 18:47:26
102.   OldYanksFan
100 oh oh
2008-08-07 18:47:56
103.   Just fair
2008-08-07 18:48:14
104.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, how 'bout that Mike Mussina!
2008-08-07 18:48:18
105.   randym77
2008-08-07 18:48:20
106.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
100 just read about how Tino and Torre didn't get on all that well...he was great for a few seasons for sure
2008-08-07 18:48:21
107.   Jeb
95 No, I didn't see that, but I stayed at the Drake in Chicago in April -- LOVE THE DRAKE! Actually I hated the way they charged for internet service b/c they charge enough.

100 and Don't ever talk bad about Shelly Duncan, Allison. Trust me.

2008-08-07 18:48:30
108.   Alison
102 Hey, everyone's gotta have their favorites, right?
2008-08-07 18:48:34
109.   RIYank
Mike just blew the fastballs by him! And then fooled him with the breaking ball. And Young is a damn good hitter.
2008-08-07 18:50:34
110.   Jeb
Per Dr. Pete Abraham, doctor of Orthopaedics:

"Phil Hughes is finished in Scranton. 4.2 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 2 walks, 2 strikeouts. 68 pitches, 40 strikes and he was sitting 93-95 with his fastball and had good movement.

68 pitches means Hughes can get around 85 his next time out. That would line him up for a MLB game if needed.

Carl Pavano is also finished in Trenton. 3.2 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts, 2 wild pitches."

2008-08-07 18:51:01
111.   nick
man, Mike's been absolutely nails since I called him "Mousse" earlier this season when he melted down after a bad defensive play....
2008-08-07 18:51:01
112.   ms october
109 it was cliff putting his 1992 card up today
2008-08-07 18:51:28
113.   3rd gen yankee fan
2008-08-07 18:51:42
114.   nick
107 funny coincidence--same chatter, right?
2008-08-07 18:51:47
115.   Jeb
Where ya from Alison?
2008-08-07 18:51:58
116.   3rd gen yankee fan
112 Those cards are pretty cool.
2008-08-07 18:52:41
117.   Jeb
114 the drake or duncan?
2008-08-07 18:52:50
118.   RIYank
110 Wow, so Phil is Major League ready. And two wild pitches for Pavano means he's Major League ready, too!
2008-08-07 18:52:51
119.   ms october
thank goodness they got don stanhouse out of the booth.
cone's wild side was trying to come out when he said he took the yes job to get out of the house, but he has been too tame this week.
2008-08-07 18:52:54
120.   weeping for brunnhilde
I'm just saying that if there's a chance to drive in a run, a hitter should be more vigilant about putting the ball in play.

In that particular case, I'm just responding to the fact that it looked like, by taking that pitch, Derek was trying to work a walk when a blooper over the second baseman's head gets the run in.

I'm not saying he did something egregious, I'm just saying that imo, that pitch was too close to take. It was borderline (or sure as hell looked it to me) and he got the call. Great, but I'd rather have seen him protect there, giving him a chance to have something fall in and thus score the run by making decent (not perfect) contact.

2008-08-07 18:53:31
121.   Alison
115 I'm a Long Island native, currently living in CT.
2008-08-07 18:54:42
122.   RIYank
Feldman made a nice recovery, huh?

We need a Jewish pitcher.

2008-08-07 18:55:37
123.   Jeb
121 cool -- we come from all over round here. I'm from Lexington, Virginia and I'm now in Birmingham, Alabama.

Hey guess what Banterites? I saved up my money and bought a Yankee Stadium Seat.

2008-08-07 18:55:40
124.   weeping for brunnhilde
122 Heh hehe heh.

Can we resurrect Sandy Koufax?

2008-08-07 18:55:50
125.   RIYank
121 Possibly a neighbor of Weeping, then.
It seems like there are a lot of us expatriates here these days.
2008-08-07 18:56:06
126.   weeping for brunnhilde
123 Bravo!
2008-08-07 18:57:34
127.   Jeb
126 my wife rolled her eyes.
2008-08-07 18:57:35
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ummm...did I just miss an entire half inning in about three minutes?

Wtf just happened?

2008-08-07 18:57:42
129.   monkeypants
110 Sir Hughes will be back starting in the bigs, whether it's in five days or ten.
2008-08-07 18:57:50
130.   RIYank
124 Well, technically, no. Because, you see, only dead people can be resurrected.
2008-08-07 18:57:54
131.   nick
123 damn! how much? (if you care to tell...)
2008-08-07 19:00:13
132.   nick
it's like Sterling thinks baseball is full of .900 hitters and .100 hitters or something--the man has no conception of sample size whatsoever....
2008-08-07 19:00:23
133.   weeping for brunnhilde
121 Did you know our state bird is the robin?

I just learned that yesterday. (I've recently taken up birding!)

2008-08-07 19:00:27
134.   Just fair
Byrd was o'fer 13 or something before this series. That makes his hot hitting even more oboxious. DP of the year. : )
2008-08-07 19:00:39
135.   Alison
Ok, that was awesome. Props to Moose for the heads up!
2008-08-07 19:00:53
136.   Shaun P
118 129 I don't know about you RI, but I (selfishly) hope Hughes is back in 10 days, not 5. If he makes his next start in the minors, it will be against the PawSox again - but in Pawtucket this time. And I will be there, Pawtucket being a heck of a lot closer to my house in MA than the Bronx. =)
2008-08-07 19:01:06
137.   ms october
beautiful unconventional double play!
great job mooooooooooooooose - i want my candy damnit - mussina
2008-08-07 19:01:07
138.   vockins
That was sick.
2008-08-07 19:01:14
139.   mehmattski
Just got here in time to see the routine 1-5-6-4 double play. Nice!
2008-08-07 19:01:25
140.   RIYank
2008-08-07 19:01:32
141.   monkeypants
I've avoided discussing this so far tonight, but...

What do you guys and gals think about Melky on the bench for four days? Or, more importantly, what should they do with him this season if he is not going to start: should he be shipped down to AAA (where he can start) or stay with the club as a 4th OF?

2008-08-07 19:02:14
142.   Jeb
131 WAY too much, but it was worth it. Actually, it was a newer seat that had been removed when they put in a waitress area. It wasn't a pre-1976 seat and it was solo so it was a lot less than the really old ones, but also in nicer condition. Also, it's a free stander (because it's from two end pieces).

I got it from a super nice guy here:

2008-08-07 19:02:18
143.   RIYank
136 Ohmygod. I didn't know that.

Seriously, what's the date? I'll get tickets tomorrow.

2008-08-07 19:02:23
144.   OldYanksFan
Not another 1-5-6-4 DP for Moose...
2008-08-07 19:02:27
145.   Just fair
134 I don't know what oboxious means, but it looks good.
2008-08-07 19:02:57
146.   weeping for brunnhilde
130 Ha ha hah ah ah ah ah !!!

Point taken.

That's really funny. I don't know quite why I had it in my head he was dead.

Probably because he left the game in Gehrig-like degeneration of skills, right? So he must have wasted away or something.

That's too funny.

2008-08-07 19:03:29
147.   OldYanksFan
122 What... having THE Designated Hebrew isn't enough for you?
2008-08-07 19:03:43
148.   Alison
133 Did you know that Wikipedia says we live in the state that is the "battleground" for Yankees, Sox, and Mets fans?
2008-08-07 19:03:52
149.   rsmith51
Marlon Byrd, Yankee Killer. At least he can't run...
2008-08-07 19:04:01
150.   monkeypants
136 I sort of hope he stays down for another start as well. I dread seeing him on something like an 80 or 85 pitch limit for some big league club to wait him out taking pitches for three or four innings.
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2008-08-07 19:04:10
151.   ms october
141 well i have made my support for melky fairly clear, but even i have to admit he has really struggled. since i am holding out hope that he can become something, i say send him back down and work a lot with him on the type of hitter he should be. jc makes a perfectly acceptable 4th of and if there is an injury, you can always bring him back up.
2008-08-07 19:04:10
152.   Jeb
141 I LOVE Melky on the bench. For one thing, Nady, JD and Abreu make a good offensive outfield. Also, maybe they'll light a fire under his butt a la Cano.
2008-08-07 19:04:28
153.   weeping for brunnhilde
141 Let him ride the pine for four times forty days for all I care.

Seriously, yes, I think a trip down might be the only option.

Either that or some kind of commitment on his part don't know what.

2008-08-07 19:04:32
154.   Mattpat11
Beautiful play.
2008-08-07 19:04:39
155.   Shaun P
141 4th OF, and occasional starts in CF. His arm and speed would be valuable in any of the OF slots. I also don't expect Damon can play CF everyday and stay healthy. Nor would I want him to, with a flyballer (say Kennedy) on the mound, especially in a bigger park and/or vs a team that runs a lot.

So I hope Melky is in CF tomorrow. =)

Besides, the AAA season is basically done in 3 weeks (though SWB has a great shot of making the playoffs). I don't see Melky getting much out of a demotion.

2008-08-07 19:04:42
156.   rsmith51
123 How much is a Yankee stadium seat?
2008-08-07 19:05:34
157.   Jeb
148 I've always heard that about Conn.
2008-08-07 19:06:36
158.   RIYank
146 Yeah, he's been a recluse since he retired.

Anyway, I always think of Mariano as an honorary Jew.

2008-08-07 19:06:44
159.   Shaun P
143 I'm not sure yet. SWB plays Fri-Sat-Sun, but is off on Monday. So, Hughes could start Tuesday if they skip someone, or Wednesday if they don't. Both games are in Pawtucket. As soon as Chad Jennings posts the rotation, I'm buying tickets too. =)

I've thought about just buying tickets for both, general admission seats being so cheap, but I'm not there yet.

2008-08-07 19:06:45
160.   nick
if you look at similarity scores, what Melky has done this season at this age makes him WAY less interesting a player; I hope he can turn it around, but I think his upside is no longer gonna be adequate for the Yanks, whereas a year ago I imagined a good defensive CF with an adjusted ops of 110 or so...
2008-08-07 19:07:13
161.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
151 4th ourfielder please..though the bench needs his "spark" that really "brings energy to the team" when he "does a lot of things" etc etc etc...
2008-08-07 19:07:53
162.   Jeb
156 click on that link I posted here: and you'll see what the old ones cost.

If it's a newer seat it's going to range from $700-$1,000. I have heard that when they break up the stadium they're going to sell them in pairs for $1,923 because it's the year of the park's birth.

(the same person making that decision added the $191 to the bid for Igawa)

2008-08-07 19:08:00
163.   RIYank
Okay, here we go. Now I'm going to get my bottom-of-the-order rally.
2008-08-07 19:08:03
164.   Shaun P
158 Its funny you say that, I've always thought of Rivera as an honorary Italian myself.
2008-08-07 19:08:07
165.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fire Molina.
2008-08-07 19:08:18
166.   Mattpat11
I have to be fair. Betemit has been pretty good since we got Sexson. Maybe that lit a little fire under his ass.
2008-08-07 19:08:45
167.   Jeb
158 I want to convert for the jokes, like that dentist in Seinfeld
2008-08-07 19:09:33
168.   Shaun P
165 I don't always agree with you weeping, but if anyone on team should know how to bunt flawlessly, its the weak-hitting but-for-catastrophic-injury-to-Posada-backup catcher. Sheesh.
2008-08-07 19:09:39
169.   RIYank
If there were more time left in the AAA season I would say demote. It might help him. But as things are, I don't think it would help at all, and he really is an excellent fourth OF.
2008-08-07 19:10:11
170.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
158 Mo is a Bodhisatva, putting off enlightenment to show us the "way" through the simplicity of cut fastballs..
2008-08-07 19:10:16
171.   ms october
crap, right you are ken - wasted opportunity
2008-08-07 19:10:40
172.   RIYank
164 Well, pretty much the same thing. Lenny Bruce always said so.
2008-08-07 19:11:07
173.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fucking Molina.

I'm sorry, but Christ, what the hell is this world coming to when a backup catcher isn't even mandated by the Rules of Baseball to be able to execute a sacrifice bunt, no excuses?

Really, I'm asking.

2008-08-07 19:11:14
174.   OldYanksFan
Well... our state bird is the lovely purple finch, which is good because it used to be... err.... the New Hampshire Hen. I mean, who makes your state bird a chicken?
2008-08-07 19:11:29
175.   RIYank
Damn. I still don't get my bottom-of-the-order rally.
2008-08-07 19:11:59
176.   ms october
168 and back to being the buc if not for pudge's collision and moose's proclivity to pitching to him.
2008-08-07 19:12:18
177.   RIYank
174 who makes your state bird a chicken?

Oh. Uh. Well, see...

2008-08-07 19:12:39
178.   Just fair
No Anti-Dentites Allowed!
2008-08-07 19:13:01
179.   weeping for brunnhilde
148 Hehe heh eh eh.

Not at all surprised.

My neck of the woods (New Haven) is pretty much the last outpost of Yankees country and even here, it's already about 60-40 Yankees.

2008-08-07 19:14:22
180.   OldYanksFan
C.C. Moose
(cruise control)
2008-08-07 19:15:23
181.   Jeb
Our State Bird is the "Yellow Hammer" and if Bama Yank was here, he'd sing the "Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer" cheer that they sing during Crimson Tide football games.
2008-08-07 19:15:37
182.   Alison
179 I'm just north of Hartford, so it's about 80-20 here, not in favor of the Yanks...but my pinstriped flag flies with pride during the season!
2008-08-07 19:17:00
183.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, get that man a cigar!

Nice play, Betemit.

Nice play.

And Moose.

Anyone notice, btw, Moose is pitching one hell of a little ballgame here.

Where's this guy been the past couple of years?

2008-08-07 19:17:11
184.   Shaun P
176 An excellent point. I enjoyed I-Rod's block last night, so, to rephrase, the weak-hitting-but-for-
and-Moose's-proclivity-to-pitching-to-him catcher ought to be able to bunt perfectly, if anyone
on the team can.

(Hope I cut it off in the right places to not screw up anyone's browser.)

2008-08-07 19:17:12
185.   RIYank
What a Moose.
2008-08-07 19:17:29
186.   nick
you bete you bete you Betemit!
2008-08-07 19:17:59
187.   weeping for brunnhilde
182 Bravo! You're a brave, stout stalwart.
2008-08-07 19:19:44
188.   ms october
184 perfect, well done
2008-08-07 19:19:46
189.   Alison
187 Ha! That's nothing...I went to college in Worcester, MA for 4 years and would go to the bar for every Sox/Yanks game dressed in full pinstriped regalia with my Sox friends, just to piss them off.
2008-08-07 19:19:50
190.   weeping for brunnhilde
You know what Derek's problem is?

He fouls off way, way too many very hittable pitches.

He just can't catch up with a decent fastball.

2008-08-07 19:19:55
191.   Just fair
3,500 innings for Moose at @15 pitchers per inning is about
600 miles worth of pitches. Thanks, computer calculator.
2008-08-07 19:20:05
192.   monkeypants
Yay, Brett Gardner!!
2008-08-07 19:20:32
193.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Rays-Ms started, King Felix on the mound and no Miguel Cairo batting cleanup, they got a chance then!
2008-08-07 19:21:44
194.   RIYank
189 Ooooh, do you know Joel in Worcester?
2008-08-07 19:22:23
195.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Derek, I love you!

That was huge.

2008-08-07 19:22:44
196.   Alison
194 Nope...I don't know anyone named Joel...
2008-08-07 19:22:56
197.   OldYanksFan
Well, Delaware's state bird is... the 'Blue Hen Chicken', and Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas all chose.... the Mockingbird.

I wonder where Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas rate on the Public School system....
Folks.... plase keep this stuff in mind when you vote in State elections.

2008-08-07 19:23:04
198.   RIYank
192 And again!
2008-08-07 19:24:25
199.   monkeypants
190 I'm starting to lose track of all Jeter's many faults. Just in the last three games, as noted by our fellow posters, he: can't hit hittable pitches, takes pitches at the wrong time (close pitch, RISP), swings at the wrong pitch (strike on 3-1, RISP), only hits into DP, does not hit in the clutch, has good numbers in the clutch but no real "big hits" that anyone can remember. It has also been noted that he is in decline and does not project to age well.

Did I miss any?

2008-08-07 19:24:36
200.   OldYanksFan
183 Actually, Pennsylvania is changing their state bird to the Moose.
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2008-08-07 19:24:48
201.   ms october
197 i can assure you they suck. alabama has always been very thankful for mississippi's existence.
2008-08-07 19:24:53
202.   RIYank
Okay, Alex, gotta get him in, bro.
2008-08-07 19:25:34
203.   RIYank
199 Rally-killing home run.
2008-08-07 19:25:49
204.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, fuck. Alex is going to K now.
2008-08-07 19:25:52
205.   Just fair
Is it me or did the 1st base ump basically run himself into a horrible position on that bang-bang play. Yeesh.
Hit a hr, Alex. Or something.
2008-08-07 19:26:18
206.   OldYanksFan
2008-08-07 19:26:22
207.   weeping for brunnhilde
Told you.
2008-08-07 19:26:46
208.   RIYank
2008-08-07 19:27:19
209.   nick's always the same when he slumps--terrible swings at low away crap.
2008-08-07 19:27:26
210.   Just fair
Hey, Alex. Just b/c Melky's sitting doesn't mean you need to protest for your little buddy. That was horrific.
2008-08-07 19:27:46
211.   ms october
204 good call. when alex starts chasing and going for hrs, we are in for a bit of bad times. let's hope getting out of his old stomping grounds and into southern california will help.
2008-08-07 19:27:46
212.   RIYank
I don't get this IBB at all. Is it just the platoon thing? That's really stupid.
2008-08-07 19:29:03
213.   monkeypants
199 203 Actually, last night someone (I don't recall) posted that the league has figured out Jeter can't hit breaking stuff. So, apparently he can't hit off speed pitches or fastballs 192 .

Good call on the HR. It's clearly the wrong approach to lead off an inning trying to get a HR instead of just getting on base.

2008-08-07 19:29:12
214.   RIYank
Dang it.

Well, who's pitching the eighth?

2008-08-07 19:29:17
215.   weeping for brunnhilde
God damn it.

We actually could have used that run.

At least Nady managed to strike the ball soundly.

2008-08-07 19:31:38
216.   OldYanksFan
213 What next? You gonna acuse the Captain of having ED?
2008-08-07 19:31:40
217.   monkeypants
212 Yeah, a bit odd.

So, Nady out, Melky in. Hmmm...Who's a better OF, Nady or Abreu?

2008-08-07 19:32:16
218.   Just fair
Strikes, Bruney, Strkes. No freakin' walks you hear. Attta boy, Wilson.
2008-08-07 19:32:40
219.   RIYank
Oh, it's Good Brian. Whew.
2008-08-07 19:33:21
220.   monkeypants
It's official: getting Marte has turned Girardi into a BP robot.
2008-08-07 19:33:45
221.   ms october
now joe might be turning into a one hitter/pitcher bullpen manager

granted this a big game to hold on and win, but...

2008-08-07 19:34:15
222.   RIYank
And speaking of stupid platoon things. Come on, Joe, this is silly.
2008-08-07 19:34:49
223.   RIYank
Who will pitch to Young??
2008-08-07 19:35:53
224.   weeping for brunnhilde
213 It's interesting when Derek's in funks because he never really looks that bad.

Like even when he was 0-32 or whatever it was, he never even approached the kind of flailing away Soriano type bad. His balance is pretty consistent, it looks like.

He just never managed to hit the ball quite hard enough to go through or dunk in.

His plate discipline must be what keeps him at .280 despite the fact that he rarely really seems to scorch the ball.

2008-08-07 19:37:01
225.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice work, pen.
2008-08-07 19:37:07
226.   RIYank
It worked. That's positive reinforcement. Does that work on robots, monkeypants?
2008-08-07 19:37:12
227.   OldYanksFan
M Mussina 7.0 8 0 0 1 6 0 99-66 3.27
The Oakland A's were ahrad of us in the standings at the ASB, right?

Since then they have gone 2 and 16.

Moose now 9th in the AL in ERA.

2008-08-07 19:37:41
228.   Travis08
50 73 Late on this, but most team GIDP in a season, based on Lahman database individual data:

174 - Boston, 1990
172 - Minnesota, 1996
171 - Boston, 1982
171 - Boston, 1983
170 - Philadelphia Athletics, 1950
170 - Oakland, 2006
169 - Boston, 1949
169 - Boston, 1951
169 - Boston, 1989
166 - St. Louis, 1958
166 - Toronto, 2006
165 - Cleveland, 1980

2008-08-07 19:38:34
229.   OldYanksFan
217 According to a formula from Hardball Times, in terms of RSAA, Abreu is the worse defensive player in MLB.
2008-08-07 19:38:40
230.   ms october
well at least we know the greatest jewish/italian and in jl's interesting world irish lady (marryane o'rivera) / panamanian closer will be pitching next inning
2008-08-07 19:41:37
231.   RIYank
230 Lechaim!
2008-08-07 19:42:55
232.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
230 Slainte!!
2008-08-07 19:43:45
233.   Just fair
231 Mary Ann O'Rivera. I like that. : )
Erin Go Bragh.
2008-08-07 19:43:47
234.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's my Robby Cano!!


What a thing of beauty, that AB.



2008-08-07 19:43:57
235.   RIYank
I love August Robinson.
2008-08-07 19:44:38
236.   Jeb
227 Billy Beane quit on the A's by shipping everyone out when they were contending...and then his team quit on him.
2008-08-07 19:44:43
237.   weeping for brunnhilde
2008-08-07 19:45:05
238.   Just fair
This team will make your head effin' spin. Bollocks!!!!
2008-08-07 19:46:01
239.   RIYank
Oh, good. I hate having the runner sitting out there in the middle of the field like that. Now Wilson is in a safer position, near a coach.
2008-08-07 19:46:02
240.   Alison
For those of you that haven't been there, the Rangers Ballpark is of my favorite places to watch a game...
2008-08-07 19:46:24
241.   Travis08
Interesting way to stay out of the DP.
2008-08-07 19:47:34
242.   Schteeve
240 I'd go there to see a game, but I'm worried that I'd tear my rotator cuff, pull my hammy or have my spleen explode.
2008-08-07 19:47:54
243.   Just fair
240 My sister's making her first Yankee game ever in Arlington tonight. I'm glad she gets to see Mo slam it shut.
2008-08-07 19:48:36
244.   ms october
wilson just stay on first until the ball is hit
2008-08-07 19:48:51
245.   RIYank
This is a somewhat bizarre inning for base running.
2008-08-07 19:49:34
246.   RIYank
244 Shh. You're confusing him.
2008-08-07 19:50:21
247.   monkeypants
245 Seems like there has been some odd base running throughout the game.
2008-08-07 19:50:32
248.   Alison
I love it cause there are tons of Yankees fans there and the locals don't give you crap if you root for the other team. (But from personal experience, the ball boy will NOT give you the ball if you are wearing another teams' jersey, no matter how much you flirt with him).
2008-08-07 19:50:40
249.   Schteeve
ok Jetes, 3-4
2008-08-07 19:50:51
250.   ms october
239 246 now he's on second and left to his own devices
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2008-08-07 19:51:06
251.   Just fair
re: Jeter
hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things,
2008-08-07 19:51:29
252.   Jeb
248 they sure hate Yankee fans in Baltimore though! Lots of Grade-A assholes there wearing orange.
2008-08-07 19:52:01
253.   ms october
just get out of texas alive team!
2008-08-07 19:52:02
254.   Just fair
Every play is a circus.
2008-08-07 19:52:11
255.   monkeypants
Dammit Jeter, you can't run the bases either. Selfish, arrogant play.
2008-08-07 19:52:14
256.   RIYank
251 Take that.
2008-08-07 19:52:31
257.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fabulous we got one.
2008-08-07 19:52:50
258.   Mattpat11
Jeter was safe.
2008-08-07 19:53:35
259.   Shaun P
251 and sometimes even good things get thrown out trying to get to 2nd?
2008-08-07 19:53:43
260.   Alison
254 I just hope Mo doesn't come out in one of those little cars...
2008-08-07 19:54:16
261.   monkeypants
258 Still, that was the wrong approach. Jeter just has to use his head in that situation.
2008-08-07 19:54:26
262.   Jeb
I don't know why someone would want to pay $12 to sit in the upper deck in Baltimore just to yell "yankees suck" so often and so intensely that they are hoarse for a week, but I've seen some real idiots in Baltimore do it. Very stupid fans there.
2008-08-07 19:55:06
263.   Jeb
260 nice
2008-08-07 19:55:21
264.   RIYank
255 He had no plan when he started running to first, is the problem. I don't know why runners refuse to head down the base path without a plan. It's lazy and, um, sinful.
2008-08-07 19:55:37
265.   monkeypants
With a three run lead, I might have tried to keep back-spasm-Mo out of the game and save him for Anaheim of Los Angeles. But I guess he was already warmed up.
2008-08-07 19:55:42
266.   weeping for brunnhilde
I thought that thing might fall in off the bat.

Hamilton is strong.

2008-08-07 19:56:10
267.   Shaun P
260 Unless it keeps the mound from getting him.
2008-08-07 19:56:43
268.   RIYank
I'm enjoying the Moe show very much.

Or, in light of the religious revelation, the Moe Show.

2008-08-07 19:57:19
269.   monkeypants
264 I agree with you, but the lack of a plan is really evidence of poor coaching throughout the organization. How many plays like that before we have to think about firing Meacham or Girardi? Or is Cashman to blame?
2008-08-07 19:57:34
270.   ms october
coney, you mean to tell me no farns = robot bullpen management?
2008-08-07 19:57:46
271.   Just fair
262 To cap it all off, if Texas had a Van Buren instead of a Hamilton we could have squeezed out one more Seinfeld reference. 1 more, Mo
2008-08-07 19:58:01
272.   RIYank
265 267 No worries. Moose tamed the mound, it's safe.
2008-08-07 19:58:10
273.   Mattpat11
I'm going to officially go out on a limb and make a prediction right now.

Not only will Mike Mussina win 300 games in his career, He will go down as the last 300 game winner in MLB history.

2008-08-07 19:58:12
274.   ms october
cheerio mo!
2008-08-07 19:58:26
275.   tommyl
Mariano Rivera is G-d (not Clapton).

Also, Moose is 15-7!

2008-08-07 19:59:03
276.   weeping for brunnhilde

Mariano Rivera, ladies and gentlemen.

I just giggle watching him paint that outside corner.

I just giggle like I'm on nitrous oxide and stamp my feet like a Roman in the circus.

2008-08-07 19:59:07
277.   RIYank
Yum, the backward K.
That's the flourish on the series.

Now let's get the hell out of here.

2008-08-07 19:59:27
278.   Shaun P
So much for Marlon "Yankee-killer" Byrd.

8 pitches, 3 outs. Moose gets his candy, but Mo is the real treat.

2008-08-07 19:59:45
279.   Just fair
269 W23? : )
2008-08-07 19:59:48
280.   monkeypants
And the Yankee Enigma train rolls on. They tease and tantalize and stay right at the edge of contention. Let's see what a week of Angels and Twins teaches us.
2008-08-07 20:00:46
281.   ms october
273 i like that prediction - i hope so

277 yes, let's get the hell out of there and say hello to the weaver brother

2008-08-07 20:01:21
282.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well, we managed to pull one out, but man, if not for the brilliance of Mike Mussina...

He shouldn't have to be brilliant to win.

2008-08-07 20:03:01
283.   RIYank
269 It's everyone. Cashman for hiring these coaches, the coaches for failing to impart good citizenship to the youth of Athens, the librarians for failing to provide them with the proper reading material to improve their minds.

This just isn't a very good team, we have to face it. They aren't going to win 115 games this year.

2008-08-07 20:03:16
284.   OldYanksFan
So... I'm confused. Are we in this thing or not? Do we blow up the team? Fire Cashman? After all, he's paying Derek Jeter 20 million dollars!
2008-08-07 20:03:36
285.   thelarmis
273 i'm with ya, man! not only that, but if he reaches 300 wins, he'll have most likely have achieved 3,000 strikeouts on the way. i sure hope Moose gets to both milestones!

just gettin' in from my gig, looks like a nice victory!

go king felix in seattle!

2008-08-07 20:04:22
286.   Jeb
273 I agree that Moose will get 300 wins (and 20 wins this season BTW), but the last one ever? That's hard to say because it's hard to predict changes in the game that we can't foresee. However, he may be the last in all our lifetime's.
2008-08-07 20:04:42
287.   weeping for brunnhilde
277 It's sublime. You know it's coming. The hitter has to know it's coming, and yet, he just stands there like a mute statue.

One of the sheer beauties of baseball.

2008-08-07 20:04:47
288.   tommyl
282 I have to say Moose is making a case for Cy Young. He won't get it, but man, 15-7 with a 3.27 ERA in the AL East. That's impressive, never mind for an old cranky guy.
2008-08-07 20:05:17
289.   weeping for brunnhilde
283 Hehe he hehh hee heh.
2008-08-07 20:06:14
290.   Mattpat11
275 9 chances to win five more games. And he's now in the range where 300 is (knock on wood) matter of staying healthy.

Put this man in the Hall.

2008-08-07 20:06:17
291.   RIYank
286 I think it would be cooler if he got only 19 W this season, but still went on to win 300. He would then be the only pitcher in history to have 300 W without a 20 W season.

(Right, Travis?)

2008-08-07 20:07:34
292.   weeping for brunnhilde
288 And he's so quiet about it. I mean, you watch him pitch and even a game like tonight, his technique doesn't call attention to itself. At least, not to me. He makes good pitches when he has to, but he's never really dominant, I think it's fair to say.

And yet...

2008-08-07 20:09:27
293.   Mattpat11
286 That's fair. Anything can happen. I will stick with the last one any of us will see.
2008-08-07 20:09:37
294.   weeping for brunnhilde
I guess what I'm saying is that he just seems to get so much out of stuff that's less than electrifying. He's actually, you know, pitching.
2008-08-07 20:09:56
295.   Travis08
291 Yes.

Don Sutton, with 324 career wins, only won 20 games once.

2008-08-07 20:10:20
296.   Mattpat11
291 He already has the most wins of a non 20W guy, so he would have to be.
2008-08-07 20:11:06
297.   Travis08
I think Dennis Martinez is second to Mussina for career wins without a 20-win season with 245.
2008-08-07 20:11:20
298.   Mattpat11
294 I think you can argue that's the way it should be.
2008-08-07 20:13:39
299.   RIYank
Hughes, Coke, and Melancon all pitched well for SWB tonight, against the Paw Sox.
2008-08-07 20:36:52
300.   weeping for brunnhilde
298 Agreed.
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2008-08-07 20:51:31
301.   monkeypants
20 wins for Moose this season? Very good chance at this point--that's the nice thing about counting stats, you can't take them away.

300 wins? Possible but actually I doubt it. It can be very, very hard to get those last few: I watched the seemingly ageless Tommy John get oh so close: 13-6, 187 INN, 110 ERA+, 277 career wins in 1987. Two years (and two bad teams) later, he was finished with 288 career wins. Then again, Mussina is well ahead of John's win totals at the same age.

Last 300 game winner ever? I doubt it, though it is harder to pile up wins in these days of pitch counts and innings limits for younger pitchers. I remember when the talking heads claimed that there would be no more 300 game winners after the 1980s, when Seaver, Carlton, Niekro, Ryan, and Perry tallied their 300th each.

And they were the last...until the 2000s when Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, with Randy Johnson (293) soon to follow. Two of these four exceeded 350 wins! We'll see another 300-game winner, I think. The key is longevity.

Possibility that Mussina wins 300 without a 20 win season? It would be an oddity, but not as odd as it appears on the surface. Sutton had only one 20 win season. Ryan had only two (21 and 22 wins). Randy Johnson has had only three, two of which came in his late 30s. Niekro had three (20, 21, 23). Again, for recent 300 game winners, longevity has been more important than piling up huge win totals in individual seasons.

2008-08-07 21:20:39
302.   thelarmis
Ibanez walk-homer against Wheeler - Rays lose!
2008-08-07 21:35:18
303.   OldYanksFan
"The key is longevity"
How true. 20 years @ 15 wins/yr.
Seems pretty tough these days, but not out of the question.

We are 5.5 games behind TB but have the same run differential. We can catch them.

2008-08-07 21:42:16
304.   thelarmis
our bullpen needed only 15 pitches, for 3 pitchers, to get 6 outs. me likey!

i dunno, i sure hope moose sticks around long enough and is productive enough to reach 300/3,000. i don't really see anyone else reaching 300 wins...

303 i think we can catch them, too! we have 6 games remaining against both TB & BOS...

2008-08-07 21:45:02
305.   thelarmis
303 we do have the same run differential, but our pitching staff has given up 42 more runs than Tampa. that might not help in crunch time - or october, if we make it there...
2008-08-07 21:45:39
306.   monkeypants
303 I think the longevity part is easier these days, with medical advances, pitch counts, etc. The problem is the 15 wins per season part. Few innings/start = fewer decisions = fewer wins. Stricter innings limits for youngsters = fewer wins in the early career seasons.
2008-08-07 21:47:49
307.   Schteeve
Moose is my favorite thing about this season. Another great effort from the guy.
2008-08-07 22:10:28
308.   monkeypants
304 "i don't really see anyone else reaching 300 wins..."

that's what everyone said in the late eighties when the likes of Niekro were winning their 300th games, all the while overlooking Clemens and Maddux.

Sabathia is a posibility, with (so far) 111 wins at age 27. Clemens had 116 wins by the end of his age 27 season, and CC is right on pace.

Less likely, but plausible: Halladay (124 wins, age 31), J. Santana (102 wins, age 29), Zambrano (94 wins, age 27) Jake Peavey (84 wins, age 27).

Longevity is the key.

2008-08-07 22:38:28
309.   Just fair
Randy Johnson's creepin'.
2008-08-07 23:03:29
310.   thelarmis
309 oh, i know! i meant beyond Moose, if he happens to reach it. i think Randall Johnstone is a foregone conclusion to get there...

besides longevity, it's health. Hudson and Mulder were on that list not too long ago...

2008-08-07 23:39:44
311.   Just fair
310 Did you catch D. Cone talking tonight about those pitchers from the 1880's . it was good stuff. Long live Kenny and Coney. : )
2008-08-08 01:15:23
312.   weeping for brunnhilde
311 Oh, that was beautiful.

Rubber-Wing or whatever his name was.

Man, they should geek out like that more often.

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