Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Texas Rangers Redux: The Kids Stay Out Of The Picture Edition
2008-08-04 12:38
by Cliff Corcoran

Coming out of the All-Star break, it wasn't really clear where the Yankees stood in the American League's big picture. After they reeled off eight-straight wins, passing the A's and Twins and closing in on Boston in the Wild Card standings, it became clear; the Yankees were in the playoff hunt, something confirmed by Brian Cashman's acquisition of reinforcements for the outfield, bullpen, and catcher positions.

That winning streak was snapped in the final game of the Yankees' series in Boston and was followed by a 1-2 series loss at home against the Orioles, a let down that one could see coming a mile away. However, when the Yankees' record on that homestand fell to 1-4 after they dropped their next two games to the Angels, one began to wonder just how much fight this team had in it after all. The answer was a lot.

Given the fact that the Angels have the best record in baseball and are much better on the road than they are at home, the fact that the Yankees were able to pull out a split against them says a lot. Even more encouraging is the fact that they achieved that split with the help of a late-game comeback in the series finale that was keyed by one of Cashman's reinforcements, Xavier Nady, who hit a two-RBI double in the sixth with the Yanks trailing 5-1 and a three run homer in the seventh with the Yanks trailing 5-4. Nady has since been named AL co-player of the week (with Kansas City's Mike Aviles).

Tossing out that let-down series against the O's, the Yankees are 10-2 since the All-Star break against two division leaders (the Angels and Twins) the Wild Card leader (Boston), and a fourth team that was ahead of them in the standings entering their series (Oakland).

Now things get hard. Tonight in Texas, where temperatures are in the triple-digits, the Yankees begin a ten-game road trip against those same two division leaders and the Rangers, who trail the Yankees by four games in the Wild Card standings. The length of this series in Texas? Four games.

At the end of June, the Rangers arrived in the Bronx with the majors' best offense and worst pitching and won the first two games of a three-game set by a total score of 5-3. We're unlikely to see those sorts of low-scoring affairs this week. The Rangers, who still have the best offense and worst pitching in the majors, score more than a run per game more at home than on the road and allow more than a half a run more in the Texas heat than elsewhere. The average score of a game at the Ballpark In Arlington this year has been 6.25-6.23 Rangers.

This should be an interesting test for tonight's starter Joba Chamberlain, who has never allowed more than three runs in any of his 50 major league appearances as a starter or reliever. Joba's worst start since shedding his artificial pitch limits came against the Rangers on July 1 at the Stadium. In that game, Joba lasted just four innings, threw 91 pitches, and walked four (though he also struck out six and only allowed two runs).

That was the game that Ian Kinsler won in the ninth inning by leading off that frame with a double off Mariano Rivera with the score tied 2-2, stealing third, and scoring on a subsequent single. The return of injured catcher Gerald Laird (.314/.367/.467) and the emergence of first baseman Chris Davis (.295/.333/.656 with 11 homers in 33 games) have made the Rangers' offense more dangerous since then, but a recent quad strain has put Milton Bradley on the bench and could force him to the DL for the first time this season, thus undermining those gains.

The Rangers' pitching staff is only dangerous to the Rangers. Sidney Ponson still has the best ERA of any pitcher to make nine or more starts for the Rangers this year, even with his Yankee stats included. Of the 13 pitchers to start for the Rangers this year, six are currently on the DL, and that doesn't include Brandon McCarthy or John Rheinecker, both of whom started for the team last year but haven't thrown a regular season pitch in 2008. Given all of that, it's the faintest of praise to call Vicente Padilla, who opposes Chamberlain tonight, the Rangers' ace, but that's what he's been this year. His one DL stint (for a sore neck) coincided with the All-Star break. He leads the team in starts, innings, strikeouts, wins, starters ERA (non-Ponson division), and is the only Rangers starter to have thrown a shutout this year. Still, he has a below-average 4.52 ERA and an ugly 1.44 WHIP to go with a similarly unattractive 1.71 K/BB and 1.34 HR/9. Padilla pitched a good game against the Yankees the last time he faced them, but that was back in May 2006.

Robinson Cano, who has been nursing a sore left hand, returns to the lineup tonight, though there's been no definitive word on the availability of Mariano Rivera, who experienced some back spasms up around his shoulder blades. Yesterday's hero, Nady, switches spots in the lineup with Cano. Justin Christian, who also had a big impact in yesterday's comeback win, starts in center over Melky Cabrera (.250/.273/.313 since the break and .201/.255/.274 since June 8); Christian is 6 for 20 (.300) with a pair of doubles and a pair of walks in his six previous major league starts. Also, Jason Giambi, having hit .182/.329/.273 since July 3, has shaved off his mustache. Given the temperature in Arlington, I'd say that's good timing.

Texas Rangers

2008 Record: 57-54 (.514)
2008 Pythagorean Record: 52-59 (.473)

Manager: Ron Washington
General Manager: Jon Daniels

Home Ballpark: Rangers Ballpark in Arlington

Who's Replaced Whom:

Gerald Laird (DL) replaced Max Ramirez (minors) on the roster and Jarrod Saltalamacchia in the lineup
Travis Metcalf (minors) replaced German Duran (minors)
Matt Harrison (minors) replaced Kevin Millwood (DL)
Tommy Hunter (minors) replaced Eric Hurley (DL)
Dustin Nippert (minors) replaced Joaquin Benoit (DL)

25-man Roster

1B - Chris Davis (L)
2B - Ian Kinsler (R)
SS - Michael Young (R)
3B - Ramon Vazquez (L)
C - Gerald Laird (R)
RF - Marlon Byrd (R)
CF - Josh Hamilton (L)
LF - David Murphy (L)
DH - Frank Catalanotto (L)


S - Jarrod Saltalamacchia (C)
R - Brandon Boggs (OF)
R - Travis Metcalf (IF)
S - Milton Bradley (DH)*


R - Vicente Padilla
L - Matt Harrison
R - Tommy Hunter
R - Scott Feldman
R - Luis Mendoza


L - C.J. Wilson
L - Eddie Guardado
R - Jamey Wright
R - Frank Francisco
R - Josh Rupe
R - Warner Madrigal
R - Dustin Nippert

15-day DL: L - Hank Blalock (3B), R - Kevin Millwood, R - Eric Hurley
R - Doug Mathis, L - A.J. Murray, R - Joaquin Benoit
60-day DL: R - Brandon McCarthy, R - Jason Jennings, L - Kason Gabbard, L - John Rheinecker, R - Thomas Diamond

Typical Lineup:

R - Ian Kinsler (2B)
L - Frank Catalanotto (DH)
R - Michael Young (SS)
L - Josh Hamilton (RF/CF)
R - Marlon Byrd (CF)
L - David Murphy (LF/RF)
R - Gerlad Laird (C)
L - Chris Davis (1B)
L - Ramon Vazquez (3B)

*injured, unlikely to play

Comments (585)
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2008-08-04 15:06:16
1.   cult of basebaal
here's hoping to Mo that sister christian has a good game ... hacky's become a menace to his own team at the plate.
2008-08-04 15:07:07
2.   mehmattski
I see the Rangers' lineup as a good test for Joba's pitch count issues (which have admittedly been lessened of late). A bunch of patient hitters not willing to swing at Joba's high fastball or outside slider. Joba turning into a more "democratic" pitcher means he can last longer in the game and get those strikeouts when they're particularly needed.

PeteAbe says the Yankees are watching 300 in the clubhouse. With your shield, or on it, fellas.

2008-08-04 15:33:19
3.   JL25and3
They're giving up on Melky already? Maybe he just needed, um, some more time.

2 I'm looking forward to seeing some decapitations tonight.

2008-08-04 15:36:41
4.   RIYank
2 , 3 Wait, which side are we???
2008-08-04 15:49:28
5.   cult of basebaal
wow ... petey with the expected pitching change for rasner's next start ... except it's not what was expected at all ... evidently, IPK's still got something to prove to people:

UPDATE, 6:44 p.m., GIESE ON FRIDAY: Joe Girardi said Dan Giese will start Friday. Rasner is going to the bullben.

2008-08-04 15:53:30
6.   tommyl
5 Yeah I saw that. Weird...I wonder why?
2008-08-04 15:54:03
7.   mehmattski
3 I think it's more of a "going with the hot hand" kind of thing, given Christian's performance yesterday. Or perhaps a "benching to send a message" move, like with Cano on June 14 (which, causal or not, is correlated to turning his season around).

4 Well, we do have Ponson, who kind of looks like that guy with the crab hands. I can't find a picture of him, because I don't know what he's actually called. "Crab-hands man" didn't get me very far on google...

2008-08-04 16:01:08
8.   RIYank
7 Oh, which side was he on? I only saw a bit of the movie (it looked terrible, but maybe if you see the whole thing it's better?).

I'm just wondering whether the message is supposed to be, "It's a hopeless lost cause, boys, but let's really make them pay so when we lose they'll be too beat up to make the play-offs and everyone will remember us." That would be if we're the Spartans.

Or is it, "The Rangers are really valiant and their training makes them scary good, but eventually we'll just overwhelm them and someone will betray their asses and we'll win, although it's going to be kind of humiliating and so costly we won't make the play-offs." That's if we're the Persians.

2008-08-04 16:03:47
9.   RIYank
Now that I think of it, if Girardi decided to show the movie, then we're definitely the Spartans. Nobody would want to be Xerxes. (Maybe Nady??) He must see himself as Leonidas. This is somewhat disturbing.
2008-08-04 16:04:58
10.   Vandelay Industries
7 Dude! Awesome! You mean the Carny who lived in Carny-Town, who was killed by his Carny Wife. I love it! His name was Grady Stiles, I think. A&E had a great City Confidential about the nutty little town where only Carnys live while not out shouting in my ear.

2008-08-04 16:06:36
11.   Vandelay Industries
7 And he was called Lobster Boy.

2008-08-04 16:07:11
12.   mehmattski
8 I think he's supposed to be Xerxes' pet monster. I enjoyed the movie, especially in light of the graphic novel. If you see it as a cartoon, but with live actors, it has its charm. Even the (admittedly copious) blood is cartoonish and not presented with any air of reality.

As for the message, the actual Battle of Thermopylae was a classic "lose the battle, win the war" story. The battle was a distraction, dreamed up by the Athenians, who drew the Persian boats out into dangerous straights more familiar to the smaller, swifter Greek boats. The Persians won on land, but were slaughtered at sea. Without sea support, the Persians retreated.

And isn't "lose the battle, win the war" basically the message of all wise baseball men?

2008-08-04 16:11:58
13.   Just fair
7 11 Now all I can envision is Sir Crabman simultaneously opening 2 bottles of beer. Come one. Come all. : )
2008-08-04 16:14:35
14.   RIYank
12 Quite true. But if we're the Spartans, we all die. Maybe we're supposed to be the Greeks as a whole? Somehow we give up the first game so we can win the rest? Oh, of course -- we'll win with a Salami(s)!

The symbolism is very, very deep. We need Weeping asap. Or maybe Rilkefan, where has he been?

2008-08-04 16:15:51
15.   Vandelay Industries
13 Now all he needs is diplomatic immunity. He is a Prince after all, or a Duke, or a Knight, or something.
2008-08-04 16:17:37
16.   Vandelay Industries
13 Ok. Who is on cafe press making the "Lobster Boy" T-shirts for Ponson's next start?
2008-08-04 16:47:25
17.   OldYanksFan
Anyone see this?
"Major League Baseball investigators are looking into accusations that several New York Yankees prospects from the Dominican Republic were forced to kick back portions of their signing bonuses to one or more team employees, several sources told ESPN. "
2008-08-04 16:49:38
18.   cult of basebaal
7 or he's just giving melky a rest before we play 10 games in 10 days ...

12 the persians made a habit out of "win the battle, lose the war" sorta encounters ...

2008-08-04 16:53:36
19.   RIYank
17 Heard it on ESPN radio, yes. They also said that a Red Sox employee has already been fired on the same charge. Could be it's part of the culture there. Which would suck, I mean I'm don't mean that as any kind of excuse or defense.
2008-08-04 16:53:48
20.   ms october
well, slightly thrown by the whole giese thing - but maybe it's just one start and then they will bring kennedy up

thank mo - mo says he is ready to pitch tonight

(per petey)

2008-08-04 16:59:52
21.   monkeypants
I'm back after a weekend in Manhattan and away from the interweb. Caught that crazy Sunday game at the Stadium, my last ball game at the old ball yard in the Bronx. So, this year I attended two games, the starters were Rasner and Ponson, and the team won both games. I guess I'm good luck or something. So, who wants to pitch in and buy me some season tickets?
2008-08-04 17:06:24
22.   ms october
i'm so excited they are showing the yes broadcast on ei - cone is sure to have some great texas stories.

anyone else who has ei - seen where they are offering a couple of games each night for the past few days where you get to choose the home or away broadcast?
i hope they expnad that so you can make that choice on all the games (or at least for me the yankees games)

21 thank you! bet that was a crazy game to attend.
you should write to bronx banter treasury c/o sidney ponson in aruba and use that money to get your season tickets.

2008-08-04 17:12:56
23.   Max
5 20 In the Daily News today, a source from the Yankees was quoted as saying that IPK is behind where he was at this time last year. Sounds like they're still not happy with his progress. I don't think we'll be seeing him soon.
2008-08-04 17:20:16
24.   Just fair
Man o' man. That was strike 3. These umps are simply junk.
2008-08-04 17:22:06
25.   RIYank
Oh yeah.

Stacheless power?

2008-08-04 17:22:13
26.   cult of basebaal
looks like more crappy strike zone umping tonite ... awesome ... when do we deploy the questec enabled robots???
2008-08-04 17:23:31
27.   RIYank
24 Ball three to Giambi? Yeah, it was.

Oh, X-man, come on. We're busy working the pitch count, get with the program.

2008-08-04 17:26:08
28.   cult of basebaal
23 from chad jennings over at the SWB blog:

Pitching coordinator Nardi Contreras is here with Hughes and watched both of his rehabs in Charleston. Contreras said Hughes looked about as good in his last start as he ever has with the Yankees. His fastball command and velocity were both very good -- 93 to 95 mph, not 101 like the stadium gun showed -- and Contreras said the curveball was as sharp as it's been since 2006 when Hughes was so good for Trenton.

"His last outing was great," Contreras said. "He threw the baseball that day like I saw him when he went up and tore up that Eastern League. He really threw the ball well. That was encouraging. The way he was throwing before he hurt his hamstring (with New York), remember? That's how he was throwing the baseball."

2008-08-04 17:26:23
29.   Just fair
David Letterman,
"And the #1 reason you could tell it was hot in Texas. By the 7th inning Joba Chamberlain looked like Edwar
2008-08-04 17:26:56
30.   tommyl
Joba seems to like the hot weather. Hitting 98 already.
2008-08-04 17:30:06
31.   tommyl
28 And Hughes is scheduled to start on Thursday for AAA. I wonder if Giese spot starts and they call up Hughes? That'd be awful fast, but who knows anymore. I just hope the kid can stay healthy and get back to the pitcher we saw in that Texas game.
2008-08-04 17:30:18
32.   tommyl
Holy hell, Pudge has a rocket launcher.
2008-08-04 17:31:05
33.   RIYank
That's an acceptable inning. Nice stroke by Young, though.
2008-08-04 17:32:12
34.   mehmattski
31 Hughes threw 55 pitches last time, he's set to go high-60s on Thursday and then mid-80s in his following start. Kay said yesterday that Girardi was plotting out the rehab starts on his calendar. That puts Hughes back in the majors on August 17.
2008-08-04 17:32:49
35.   mehmattski
Based on the link between Cano and temperatures, he should hit four homers tonight....
2008-08-04 17:34:04
36.   ms october
23 28 thanks for the info.

31 yes, really hard to tell what's going on.
the info on kennedy is so sparse - what does that mean - he's behind where he was last year, how so?
and it really seemed like the yanks didn't want to rush hughes again.

ugh - nice play to take a hit from robbie.

2008-08-04 17:34:05
37.   RIYank
35 Last thread I said, "So if it's 103 degrees, Cano will slug .960, right?"
2008-08-04 17:34:23
38.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Ohayo Gozaimasu! 35+ Centigrade here and humid, I feel like I am Arlington with the team! Joba is going to pitch a no-no tonight, I can feel it...
2008-08-04 17:34:56
39.   RIYank
Uh, the plan, guys. The plan. Pitch count. Come on.
2008-08-04 17:35:12
40.   mehmattski
35 I knew the idea came from somewhere... :)
2008-08-04 17:35:45
41.   ms october
we might see a fight between this pitcher and the ump before this night is over.
2008-08-04 17:35:48
42.   mehmattski
I think Christian needs to get some new spikes, he fell down again, coming out of the box there.
2008-08-04 17:35:57
43.   51cq24
christian needs better balance. are these ads necessary? can they at least be off to the side somewhere?
2008-08-04 17:39:46
44.   mehmattski
I'm sure the Red Sox are glad they traded away this guy for Eric Gagne....
2008-08-04 17:39:55
45.   51cq24
hah this umpire is shit
2008-08-04 17:43:10
46.   ms october
joba looking good.

so far he seems to actually not shake pudge off that much.

2008-08-04 17:43:57
47.   Just fair
If Joba plans to keep throwing that curveball for strikes, it's bad news for the Toros. He's lookin' real sharp.
44 For real? I just went a searching but didn't find anything. It makes me smile, regradless.
2008-08-04 17:44:14
48.   cult of basebaal
man ... this game is just whetting my appetite for saturday's game against the angels ... gonna make the trip to see joba pitch ... maybe get a good seat along 3rd base so i can heckle jeter after his GIDPs
2008-08-04 17:44:28
49.   RIYank
46 Good.

Yeah, don't forget, the kid is from Oklahoma, so the temp and air must feel kind of like home.

2008-08-04 17:46:13
50.   mehmattski
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2008-08-04 17:46:44
51.   OldYanksFan
Hey Alex/Cliff,
Any chance the Ads could be at the top of the page?

Sox/Laptops UP 2-1 after 2
TB Tied 2-2 after 4
Oakland about to lose AGAIN, and is sinking fast.

2008-08-04 17:47:08
52.   RIYank
47 Curve for strikes: also, I love how he threw a slider on 3-1 where you'd be sure it would be the heater. Confidence.
2008-08-04 17:47:44
53.   OldYanksFan
Joba at 27 pitches/19 strikes after 2. Pretty good.
2008-08-04 17:49:19
54.   cult of basebaal
wow ... rangers' announcers knobgobbling teh captain ... strewth.
2008-08-04 17:49:40
55.   RIYank
51 It's not Alex and Cliff. It's Ken, the Toaster Majordomo.

Yeah, the A's collapsed fast, huh?

2008-08-04 17:52:55
56.   cult of basebaal
55 not the worst thing in the world, if the owner is willing to drop cash on a worthy high-draft pick ... pity he couldn't have turned the duke into some more goodies, that woulda helped on several levels
2008-08-04 17:53:01
57.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2008-08-04 17:53:07
58.   51cq24
arod just missed both those pitches by about a foot each
2008-08-04 17:53:13
59.   mehmattski
55 It's tough to win without players, and th A's traded them all away. Kind of a shame too, because the A's had a better Pythag record than the Angels when they started trading away their whole team.
2008-08-04 17:54:06
60.   Just fair
50 Thanks. But no mention of Padilla.
"The Red Sox sent left-hander Kason Gabbard and minor league outfielders David Murphy and Engel Beltre to the Rangers"
It looks like Padilla was with the Phillies until 06..
Well cripes, Alex, if you're not going to get time, you still got to swing. boo.
2008-08-04 17:54:15
61.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
without looking up the stats, it seems A-Rod is whiffing a lot these days...
2008-08-04 17:54:42
62.   cult of basebaal
sure would be nice if alex would stop trying so damn hard to switch nicknames with frankie ... gah.
2008-08-04 17:55:51
63.   cult of basebaal
60 that's funny ... i thought he meant chris davis back in 44 ... and then thought the same thing when i looked at the link.
2008-08-04 17:56:09
64.   mehmattski
60 Oh, I guess I should have been more clear. I was referring to David Murphy, the ROY candidate, not Padilla.
2008-08-04 17:56:54
65.   RIYank
60 You misunderstood. David Murphy was batting when he wrote that! Not Padilla.
2008-08-04 17:57:04
66.   OldYanksFan
55 Oakland has gone 2-13 since the break. Ouch!
Texas announcers giving some serious love to Jeter. You couldn't pay them to say anything nicer.

And ARod... pulls a Manny on strike 3.

And Manny is 8 for 13 with 2 HRs in LA. Wonder if he was doging it in Boston. Kaye is right. This guy is a true idiot savant.

2008-08-04 17:58:27
67.   cult of basebaal
66 wondering? i'm hoping that's sarcasm ... those last couple of weeks it was just "manny being marmaduke".
2008-08-04 17:58:29
68.   ms october
haha dumbass - shouldn't have rolled over the base
2008-08-04 17:59:09
69.   RIYank
"Sorry, kid, only Pudge gets to run on catchers."
2008-08-04 17:59:35
70.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
I-Rod!! "Sartre is smarter, but Scooby-Doo can doo-doo!!"
2008-08-04 17:59:36
71.   Just fair
64 Now that that's cleared up... : )
2008-08-04 17:59:39
72.   cult of basebaal
ugh ... i'll take the out, but pudgie's throwing like he's a budgie right now.
2008-08-04 18:01:32
73.   OldYanksFan
KC ties Boston 2-2. 1st and 3rd, 1 out against Laptops.
2008-08-04 18:01:52
74.   RIYank
Whew, nice stop, Cap.
2008-08-04 18:01:57
75.   mehmattski
Caughtbyadiving Jeter doesn't have the same ring to it...
2008-08-04 18:03:03
76.   OldYanksFan
They are making hard contact against Joba.
2008-08-04 18:03:43
77.   RIYank
I can't believe the curve and slider are better than the fastball tonight.

Nice K.

2008-08-04 18:04:06
78.   51cq24
pretty pitches there
2008-08-04 18:04:30
79.   Just fair
76 He also just made one of the better hitters in the league look like a fool. So that's good.
2008-08-04 18:06:32
80.   cult of basebaal
good info from CJ covering the SWB game, looks like we might have yet another reliever to call up later in the year ...

"I talked to Chase Wright last week about Phil Coke, and Wright said Coke's slider had been unreal in Trenton. He wasn't lying. Coke just struck out Jonathan Van Every -- lefty with 24 homers -- then got Josh Wilson to groundout to strand runners at second and third here in the seventh. Coke was sitting at 92 with his fastball and showing a huge slider that I swear he didn't have for that spot start earlier this season. That was awfully impressive."

2008-08-04 18:06:39
81.   RIYank
KC takes the lead! But I don't know how -- OYF, do you know?
2008-08-04 18:07:36
82.   OldYanksFan
Joba after 3. 43-32. Ontrack for 7 IP/100 pitches.
2008-08-04 18:07:55
83.   RIYank
It was the Stache all along! Who knew?
2008-08-04 18:08:00
84.   mehmattski
Skip the stache!
2008-08-04 18:08:05
85.   tommyl
Revenge of the Stache?
2008-08-04 18:08:09
86.   Just fair
Smooth as a baby's a@@.
2008-08-04 18:08:10
87.   Raf
Nolan looks like he'd be a grouchy old man
2008-08-04 18:08:29
88.   OldYanksFan
Sac fly and a BB.
KC UP on Boston 3-2. Bases loaded, 2 out against Laptops.
2008-08-04 18:08:38
89.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
anyone remember watching games (live or on tv) at the old Arlington Stadium? I have vague memories of summer night games on Channel 11, watching some portly pitcher like Rick Reuschel almost pass out form the heat...why didn't they build a roof like in Houston?
2008-08-04 18:08:45
90.   mehmattski
87 Has anyone asked him why he wasn't at the All-Star game?
2008-08-04 18:08:53
91.   Raf
Wow, Giambi almost killed a vendor in the upper deck
2008-08-04 18:09:40
92.   ms october
i ran through gameday quickly - based on my quick count joba 22 of joba's 43 pitches were not fastballs and about half of the non-fastballs (10) came in the 3rd inning

ah gotta luv the big lug

2008-08-04 18:09:47
93.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[83,84,85] on Gameday here, you're way ahead of me..why the Stache comments?
2008-08-04 18:09:47
94.   OldYanksFan
And the Stacheless wonder is BACK!
2008-08-04 18:11:01
95.   randym77
It was the 'stache. It was the 'stache.
2008-08-04 18:11:18
96.   Raf
89 I remember those games. Players would be covered in sweat by the time the game started.

90 Not his scene, IIRC. Don't think he's been back since he was inducted.

2008-08-04 18:11:53
97.   OldYanksFan
Another BB. KC UP 4-2. Bases loaded, 2 out, 3-1 count.
2008-08-04 18:11:56
98.   mehmattski
93 Wow, that is pretty slow behind. The internets tubes must be slow across the Pacific today.
2008-08-04 18:12:24
99.   cult of basebaal
lovely, it seems my connection has gone to hell just in time to miss a 'stache-less smash!
2008-08-04 18:12:32
100.   OldYanksFan
Inning over. KC UP on Boston 4-2.
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2008-08-04 18:13:22
101.   RIYank
93 I guess you know by now, but he put one in the upper deck.
2008-08-04 18:14:08
102.   51cq24
93 the stache itself is no more if you didn't pick that up. gameday should tell you something that important but i'm guessing it didn't.
2008-08-04 18:14:27
103.   tommyl
Don't ya know!
2008-08-04 18:14:37
104.   Just fair
2008-08-04 18:14:38
105.   ms october
ripped by the ripper
2008-08-04 18:14:41
106.   RIYank

Mr OK, Rob just hit one further than Jason's!

2008-08-04 18:14:54
107.   mehmattski
35 37 We were right!
2008-08-04 18:15:18
108.   OldYanksFan
Man! Oakland now 2-14 sinces the break, 7 loses in a row. Is Billy Bean just into making 'winning trades', or is he trying to win something? Is Oakland, California that broke?
2008-08-04 18:15:20
109.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
98 had to reload it..delay sucks but I have trust in the Banter to keep me up to date..

KC ahead of Boston?? nice...

2008-08-04 18:15:50
110.   OldYanksFan
2008-08-04 18:16:48
111.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
108 yeah, i don't get all the Beane some point don't you have to try and keep some players? Moneyball was interesting and all but...
2008-08-04 18:18:02
112.   ms october
and cle up 4-2 on tampa, bottom of the 6th
2008-08-04 18:18:34
113.   RIYank
107 Well, we knew it, didn't we?
And his first shot was inches or nanoseconds from being a double, too.
2008-08-04 18:19:53
114.   Raf
I'll admit, that Hertz commercial's pretty funny.

108 Seems Beane feels that his $$ is better spent elsewhere. He's made some solid trades, AFAICT.

2008-08-04 18:20:00
115.   OldYanksFan
Yikes! Did you guys hear that? In 1997, an IRod for Posada +2 trade was DONE but Pudge called it off at the 11th hour. Wow.
2008-08-04 18:21:03
116.   RIYank
Yeah, 111 et al., why exactly did he decide to take the team apart? They were WC leaders, or very close.
2008-08-04 18:21:09
117.   ms october
nice to see robbie's defense back too - maybe his hand was really bothering him that game against the angels he made several poor plays
2008-08-04 18:21:40
118.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
115 wow indeed!

Joba has the Michael Ironside grin going on in his Gameday photo..."I am Daryl Revok.."

2008-08-04 18:21:56
119.   Just fair
So, every time Robbie has an o-fer, he needs to sit the next day. It seems to be quite the motivation. : )
2008-08-04 18:22:15
120.   ms october
115 you have the rangers broadcast on mlbtv?
2008-08-04 18:22:33
121.   RIYank

Okay, I can accept 1 BB per game.

2008-08-04 18:22:44
122.   Raf
111 To a point, I suppose. I guess Beane doesn't think the A's are as close to the Angels as everyone else thinks.
2008-08-04 18:24:14
123.   51cq24
the race for roy is between longoria and murphy? what about this pitcher?
2008-08-04 18:24:16
124.   mehmattski
Joba's still a rookie, right? Why not him for ROY?
2008-08-04 18:24:25
125.   RIYank
122 But the Wild Card. They were too far behind the Angels, it's true.
2008-08-04 18:25:00
126.   RIYank
Hm. On second thought, I would have accepted another BB.


2008-08-04 18:25:08
127.   mehmattski
124 Never mind.
2008-08-04 18:25:18
128.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
How on earth are the Twins in 1st palce with that lineup...
2008-08-04 18:25:44
129.   ms october
damn - i bet every hr he has given up has been a hanging slider
2008-08-04 18:26:54
130.   Max
36 I wish I knew about IPK, but I'd just be speculating. The thing that has struck me about him is that organization seems much more down on him this's weird given how great his debut was last year. It's like his stock has really fallen.

This is what McCarron wrote in the Daily News (in a piece on Rasner losing his position in the rotation):

"Ian Kennedy might be an option after allowing two runs in seven innings for Triple-A Scranton Sunday. Kennedy is 4-2 with a 2.14 ERA at Triple-A, but Yankee officials have said recently they consider him behind where he was when he reached the majors last year."

2008-08-04 18:27:16
131.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
double damn..was hoping Joba would have his ERA go under 2 after this game..
2008-08-04 18:27:21
132.   OldYanksFan
120 Yes.
2008-08-04 18:29:09
133.   RIYank
Anyway, he still looks strong. One mistake, is all.
2008-08-04 18:29:16
134.   Just fair
Live and learn, Joba. Live and learn.
2008-08-04 18:29:48
135.   OldYanksFan
Texas announcers screwing up the Joba story. Said he was slotted to be a setup man until HANK said move him into the rotation. Geez.
2008-08-04 18:30:17
136.   randym77
115 Holy crap.
2008-08-04 18:30:56
137.   OldYanksFan
Joba after 4. 67-45. Will he go 7?
2008-08-04 18:31:54
138.   RIYank
135 A lot of announcers around the league seem to have that view.
Game announcers are not superintelligent, you may have noticed.
2008-08-04 18:32:36
139.   RIYank
Yeah, Johnny!

137 I'm going to guess he won't make it through seven, no, but I bet he'll start the seventh.

2008-08-04 18:32:43
140.   Raf
125 Don't think Beane thought the A's could not get past the contenders in the East & Central?
2008-08-04 18:33:04
141.   Just fair
Hit and run, Joe. I think we don't want to see you know what.
2008-08-04 18:33:11
142.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
138 Skip Caray passed away at age 68..always thought he was a very smart, under-stated announcer for the Braves..much prefered him to his father, have to admit...
2008-08-04 18:33:43
143.   tommyl
130 That just doesn't make any sense to me. He's dominating AAA (again). He should have had a perfect game. What should he be doing that he's not?
2008-08-04 18:34:53
144.   randym77
Prince Fielder just got into a brawl with the starting pitcher, Parra. Parra should listen to Leiter. Never criticize your fielders. Especially when he's much bigger than you are.
2008-08-04 18:35:19
145.   RIYank
142 Interesting. Never heard Skip do his thing.
By contrast, the Buck family had a terrific dad and, well, you know.
2008-08-04 18:37:09
146.   OldYanksFan
I actually think the Yanks may be covering their asses a bit on IPK. They brought him up too fast, as they might have with Phil. Last year the 'Trip Aces' story looked so good, but now they are backtracking.

IPK does not obviously have the stuff that Joba or Phil have. A little extra seasoning can't hurt.

2008-08-04 18:37:47
147.   pistolpete
130 Yeah, I'm getting the same impression. I think IPK would need to absolutely dominate for at least another few weeks before we see him again.

I don't think the Yankees want to look silly if he comes up for another round and he stinks it up again. You know, Santana trade and all.

2008-08-04 18:38:07
148.   RIYank
This is excruciating. You sure this isn't an Orioles game?
2008-08-04 18:38:16
149.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
145 was too young to really here Jack Buck..Joe is excruciating, i would rather listen to Sterling..well, then again..
2008-08-04 18:38:33
150.   Raf
145 Really? I used to listen to him on WTBS
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2008-08-04 18:39:23
151.   pistolpete
148 Hey, as long as it's Padilla wearing himself out there, who cares.
2008-08-04 18:39:37
152.   RIYank
Check out A-Rod's numbers with two out and a man on third, first and second empty.
2008-08-04 18:40:56
153.   mehmattski
David Cone's 10 balks in 1988 did lead the NL:

2008-08-04 18:41:03
154.   RIYank
Is that an RBI??
2008-08-04 18:41:09
155.   Just fair
See ya, Ron.
2008-08-04 18:41:33
156.   Travis08
153 And 3 of them came in games that Bob Davidson worked.
2008-08-04 18:41:57
157.   OldYanksFan
Quite the cheer for ARod in Texas.
I wonder how Papi will do without Manny behind him. He certainly is not as dangerous now. Today, Youk batting cleanup.
2008-08-04 18:42:14
158.   mehmattski
If anything Padilla should have been called for a couple of time-infringement balls, but instead the umps punish him for his slow work by calling balks. Interesting...
2008-08-04 18:42:25
159.   RIYank
(Mr. OK, Padilla balked again and Damon scores.)
2008-08-04 18:42:42
160.   OldYanksFan
Yikes. Talk about a cheap run.
2008-08-04 18:42:54
161.   Raf
Never did like those balk calls.
2008-08-04 18:43:02
162.   pistolpete
Ok, Cone.. say 'ticky-tacky' just one more time.
2008-08-04 18:44:45
163.   RIYank
Hm. I think he would have got on if Padilla hadn't balked.

Anyway, do you figure that was Padilla's last pitch? Given the Texas middle relief, I might let him start the sixth.

2008-08-04 18:45:10
164.   Raf
157 At the very least, his OBP went up a few points. Guess you can use Bonds as a frame of reference.
2008-08-04 18:45:51
165.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
159 thanks. Gameday very wonky, saw that Washington was ejected before the 2nd balk was displayed...
2008-08-04 18:45:54
166.   OldYanksFan
Well, we finally figured out how to get that man on 3rd in.
2008-08-04 18:47:08
167.   RIYank
I dunno, I miss Melky. I think he might have had that line drive.

So, Alex doesn't get an RBI for that balk? I thought he did.

2008-08-04 18:47:50
168.   Sliced Bread
re: Kennedy. I've read (Pennsylvania papers) that his velocity is down, but he's also been focusing on his off-speed stuff. Working on his mechanics with Scranton's pitching coach, Kennedy has found his slider. He used it to contain the heavy-hitting PawSox in his last start.

Friday night lights in Anaheim would be something special for the SoCal kid, but maybe something he's not ready for.

Cool for Giese.

2008-08-04 18:47:57
169.   Jeb
Hola gang, hope everyone's doing well.

In KC, the Sox had 2 on with 2 out and Jason Bay grounded out to end the inning. I'm not saying that Manny would have hit a 2 run double into the gap (after all when did any of us ever see hiim do that?)....but I'm just saying....

2008-08-04 18:48:07
170.   pistolpete
C'mon, Joba... cut it out with the leadoff hits..
2008-08-04 18:49:38
171.   Just fair
167 Delusions of grandeur. Bugs Bunny in his famous game would have come up short on that one. : )
2008-08-04 18:50:07
172.   Eirias
162 Damn, I tried to set up a new account as "David Cone" just to post "ticky-tacky." Thwarted by manual approvals!

(Please don't ban my account, TPTB)

2008-08-04 18:50:33
173.   Just fair
2008-08-04 18:50:37
174.   51cq24
no that was a foul
2008-08-04 18:50:39
175.   pistolpete
Pudge, you beautiful SOB.
2008-08-04 18:50:44
176.   RIYank
Joba is definitely not looking as sharp. Location, control, maybe. Or maybe the TX hitters are starting to zone in on him.

What happened? Did it hit Kinsler?

2008-08-04 18:51:05
177.   Max
146 147 That makes sense re IPK. Not to bring in the aroma of dead horse meat, but the Santana non-trade is exactly what I thought of when I saw the McCarron piece this morning..."we could have had Santana for IPK, Melky and a prospect or"

But we won't go there. :-)

I will say it doesn't get more damning regarding the organization's confidence in IPK, than to be giving Giese a spot start in the middle of a playoff push, despite IPK's near no-hitter (as tommyl reminded us).

2008-08-04 18:51:11
178.   pistolpete
172 Damn, I would have laughed my ass off.
2008-08-04 18:51:34
179.   Just fair
Joba almost got killed by Pudge's throw.
2008-08-04 18:51:38
180.   RIYank
It did hit him, damn. In the box, too.
2008-08-04 18:52:09
181.   mehmattski
That ball never hit Kinsler. Terrible call.
2008-08-04 18:52:26
182.   Travis08
Horrible call. At the very least, it hit Kinsler out of the box.
2008-08-04 18:53:38
183.   Eirias
Qu'est ce qui c'est passe?
2008-08-04 18:53:45
184.   tommyl
2008-08-04 18:53:45
185.   Jeb
nice of the umps to give the Rangers 29 outs in this game. Next time Jeter GIDP he should just stand at home plate and demand a re-do.
2008-08-04 18:54:33
186.   51cq24
if it hits you in fair territory, even if one of your feet is still in the box, isn't that an out?
2008-08-04 18:54:35
187.   mehmattski
185 The Yankees did get two bullshit balk calls last inning...
2008-08-04 18:54:39
188.   RIYank
Yikes. That was very scary.
2008-08-04 18:54:54
189.   Eirias
Laird's Gameday picture is awesome.
2008-08-04 18:56:22
190.   RIYank

Young is just good, but Dammit.

2008-08-04 18:56:34
191.   Just fair
F@CK a Duck.
2008-08-04 18:56:54
192.   Schteeve
177 Yeah but that whole "we could had Santana for IPK and Melky and a bag of rosin bags" doesn't take into account the amount of dough they would have had to spend to keep Santana. It's a total strawman, so I don't care if idiot sportswriters bring it up. Because it's dumb.
2008-08-04 18:56:54
193.   ms october
this was one hell of a weird inning.

settle down joba.

2008-08-04 18:57:13
194.   cult of basebaal
no es bueno, joba!
2008-08-04 18:57:25
195.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2008-08-04 18:57:30
196.   RIYank
Yeah, serious location problems. Wow, that was a batting practice pitch, straight down the pipe.
2008-08-04 18:57:55
197.   mehmattski
Well, that wasn't a hanging slider...
2008-08-04 18:59:04
198.   cult of basebaal
192 and having to wetnurse santana for the next 7 years ... or even that the whole "we could have had santana for "X"" is just a matter of complete conjecture
2008-08-04 19:01:22
199.   tommyl
Oh motherfucker. Please be ok.
2008-08-04 19:01:39
200.   mehmattski
Uh oh, Steve Donahue joins Girardi on the mound. They're looking at his hand. Joba's out, Robertson's in.
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2008-08-04 19:01:49
201.   OldYanksFan
"we could had Santana for IPK and Melky and a bag of rosin bags"
Excuse me, but that was NEVER the deal. Phil was in every deal. Minn. turned town Phil, Melkly + 2 because they wanted IPK to be one of the +2. That's when Cashman took it off the table. So IPK may have tipped the scales, but Phil was the centerpiece, until a last request by Minn for Wang and IPK + 2.
2008-08-04 19:02:01
202.   ms october
uh oh not the sight you want to see on so many levels
2008-08-04 19:02:04
203.   randym77
2008-08-04 19:02:10
204.   mehmattski
200 Upon the replay, Joba is pointing at his shoulder.

That's very bad.

2008-08-04 19:02:12
205.   51cq24
season ends
2008-08-04 19:02:12
206.   Schteeve
Joba ain't got nuthin tonight. Let's score a bunch.
2008-08-04 19:02:13
207.   RIYank
Two walks, and they both score on home runs. Grrr.

Okay, dude, get one more out for us and hit the showers.

2008-08-04 19:02:15
208.   cult of basebaal
2008-08-04 19:02:25
209.   Raf
he pointed to his shoulder...
2008-08-04 19:02:53
210.   RIYank
Shiz. Worse than homers.
2008-08-04 19:03:10
211.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
sitting on pins and needles here waiting for details...
2008-08-04 19:04:28
212.   51cq24
"joba, point to your shoulder so we can go to edwar"
i really hope
2008-08-04 19:04:53
213.   cult of basebaal
shoulder it was ... FUCK, FUCK, FUCK.
2008-08-04 19:05:23
214.   ms october
for cripes sakes you think that is something we want to see now
2008-08-04 19:05:23
215.   tommyl
This could be sooooo beyond bad.
2008-08-04 19:06:17
216.   Just fair
212 Man, my immediate thought when Joe ran out with the trainer was, "This has got to be ploy." Hope indeed.
2008-08-04 19:06:29
217.   ms october
oh cone - how i would love to believe in your optimisn right now
2008-08-04 19:07:45
218.   Max
Ugh, not the script for the start of a crucial road trip...bringing in relief in the 5th inning, and the big hope of the starter corps goes down with who knows what.

The worst part is that...unless this really does turn out to be minor...we'll have to deal with the evasiveness of Girardi regarding any details for several days to a week, if past incidents are any indication.

2008-08-04 19:07:58
219.   tommyl
Donahue saying: See this is career ending. This is season ending...
2008-08-04 19:08:10
220.   OldYanksFan
Instant replay shows (I think) that that swinging bunt does NOT hit the batter. So we had a DP.

Instead, we may lose the game AND lose Joba.
All because of a bad call.
It's WAY past time for instant replay.

2008-08-04 19:08:17
221.   mehmattski
Posters on PeteAbe's blog are blaming Pudge for calling too many curveballs...


That might actually be worse than blaming Bobby Meacham for Wang's injury.

2008-08-04 19:08:38
222.   bobtaco
No more starts in Arlington for the young guys.
2008-08-04 19:09:22
223.   cult of basebaal
219 who the hell is that?
2008-08-04 19:09:27
224.   Sliced Bread
C'mon, Joba. Be well, kid.
2008-08-04 19:09:35
225.   RIYank
221 There's just no reason to call a curve there. Why take the risk just to get one out???
2008-08-04 19:10:07
226.   RIYank
The pitch to Byrd was a fast ball, but still, that's no excuse.
2008-08-04 19:10:24
227.   cult of basebaal
220 sorry, it pretty clearly changed course when it hit him ... i've got NO doubt they got the call right.
2008-08-04 19:10:38
228.   51cq24
219 not funny
2008-08-04 19:11:05
229.   cult of basebaal
225 RISK? RISK??? what risk???
2008-08-04 19:11:11
230.   51cq24
227 but it was also clearly in front of the plate
2008-08-04 19:11:33
231.   cult of basebaal
230 he was still in the box.
2008-08-04 19:12:19
232.   OldYanksFan
Fuckin' horrible!
TB down 5-2 in the 9th.
Boston down 4-2 in the 6th.
Doesn't seem to matter as much now.
2008-08-04 19:12:24
233.   monkeypants
225 Exactly, you just have to know the game situation there. If Pudge wasn't properly instructed not to call a curveball there, then heads have to roll. Eiland? Girardi? Cashman?
2008-08-04 19:12:45
234.   RIYank
229 The risk of a horrible shoulder injury!

Okay, jk, jk, don't get worked up. You had to be here when Wang hurt his foot, I guess.

2008-08-04 19:13:55
235.   cult of basebaal
225 233 you two need to take a midol.
2008-08-04 19:14:34
236.   monkeypants
234 233 229 Yeah, me too..just some Banter inside sarcasm.
2008-08-04 19:14:37
237.   RIYank
Monkeypants, go get a Midol, we'll split it. I'll get the gin.
2008-08-04 19:14:44
238.   cult of basebaal
235 ok, skip 225 see 234
2008-08-04 19:14:52
239.   mehmattski
231 The way I saw it, Kinsler's back leg left the batters' box as the ball bounced up towards his knee. If it hit his knee at that point, he should be out. If it did not, it should have been a double play.
2008-08-04 19:15:35
240.   OldYanksFan
231 You may be right. Texas broadcast only showed one angle and it did not seem to hit him. But the point still holds. We have seen many, many bad calls. The players, the fans and the game deserves to get the calls right.
2008-08-04 19:15:55
241.   OldYanksFan
TB loses.
2008-08-04 19:16:37
242.   cult of basebaal
238 well, fine, throw sarcasm at me at a time like this, the both of you!

midol prescription rescinded.


2008-08-04 19:16:51
243.   williamnyy23
[233 It's pretty silly to compare pitch calling to not having your starting pitcher who never runs the bases round third on what could have been a close play at the plate.

I thought the story of this game was going to be very poor pitch selection and another possible disconnect with Pudge. Now, I just hope it's not about a major dent to the Yankees future.

An injury to Joba would completely overshadow all the usual themes that pop with this team.

2008-08-04 19:17:04
244.   tommyl
Hey guys, some news on Joba would be kinda welcome at this point.
2008-08-04 19:17:05
245.   Raf
Andy Hawkins... HA!
2008-08-04 19:17:54
246.   Raf
223 The trainer, Steve Donohoue
2008-08-04 19:19:25
247.   mehmattski
243 So you DO think Pudge is to blame???
2008-08-04 19:20:19
248.   cult of basebaal
239 huh? if he's in the box, it's a foul. if it's out of the box, he's out and it's dead, right? if it doesn't hit him, it's a double play.

the question i'm not sure about is whether 1 foot fair is out of the box. to my eyes, he was 1/2 in 1/2 out, which i thought was still "in the box". but that's just gut, so i very well could be wrong ... anyone know for sure?

2008-08-04 19:20:20
249.   williamnyy23
247 I think pitchers deserve all the credit and blame for every pitch they throw.
2008-08-04 19:21:40
250.   mehmattski
248 That is what I meant, but maybe my wording was confusing. I am not sure about the in/out of the batters box rule. Is it like "breaking the vertical plane" in football (but in reverse)?
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2008-08-04 19:22:50
251.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
yo, is there ANY news yet from the tv broadcast about Joba?
2008-08-04 19:23:09
252.   51cq24
248 see rule 6.05(g): [a batter is out when] His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder
unless i'm missing something, the position of his feet is irrelevant, only where the ball was. here it was clearly fair.
2008-08-04 19:23:48
253.   RIYank
248 If it's fair, he's out; if it's foul, it's dead. The box doesn't matter, only the foul lines.
2008-08-04 19:24:10
254.   Emma Span
Wasn't it against Texas that Phil Hughes blew out his hamstring last year?

I don't really have a point here, except that I'm starting to dislike the Rangers pretty intensely.

2008-08-04 19:24:26
255.   randym77
251 No. Don't worry, as soon as there's any news, someone will post it.
2008-08-04 19:24:40
256.   OldYanksFan
Meanwhile, 2 on and no out produces nothing. Not good.
2008-08-04 19:25:01
257.   Jeb
Could someone post what happened to Joba? I missed it.
2008-08-04 19:25:02
258.   dianagramr

I was trying to remember that too ...

2008-08-04 19:25:11
259.   dianagramr

I was trying to remember that too ...

2008-08-04 19:25:20
260.   williamnyy23
251 The longer we go without news, the more I fear it's not minor discomfort.

252 If the runner is hit by the ball in fair territority, he is out. On the YES replay, it looked like it never touched him. If it was a missed call, it not only might cost the Yankees this game, but also Joba.

2008-08-04 19:25:24
261.   RIYank
252 Yes, that's right, it only matters whether the ball is in fair territory or foul. Feet don't matter.
2008-08-04 19:25:39
262.   mehmattski
251 Just conjecture from Cone, regarding a picture of Girardi touching Eiland's shoulder and Donahue touching Girardi's. Girardi did not have a lot of good body language, and Donahue seemed to be demonstrating something about the muscles/tendons in the upper arm, both front and back.

Girardi put his hand over Eiland's upper arm, and Cone surmised that the area Girardi was indicating could have been "cramp territory, nothing to worry about." But the body language of the three men suggested otherwise.

2008-08-04 19:25:59
263.   tommyl
254 Yes Emma. 7th inning of a no hit bid, in Texas. I think they poison the mound or something. Would explain their pitching too.
2008-08-04 19:26:22
264.   cult of basebaal
252 but what makes a ball "fair"? if a ball lands fair, but rolls foul before an event that cements its "fair" status (such as passing 1st or 3rd), it's foul. so if a ball lands fair but bounced backwards and hit the batter still in the box, is that an "event"? i would think it would revert back to the question of the status of the batter ... but i dunno for sure ...
2008-08-04 19:26:45
265.   OldYanksFan
253 The ball was well fair, yes? So he was either out or it was a DP, yes? So that was a bad call?
2008-08-04 19:26:50
266.   alittleblackegg
251 257 Joba pointed at his shoulder after his last pitch, and was walked to the dugout. Susan Waldman says there's still no news on his condition yet.
2008-08-04 19:27:02
267.   tommyl
257 There's not much to tell. He threw a pitch and the trainer came out. He pointed somewhere on his upper arm/shoulder and they took him out. That's all we know so far.
2008-08-04 19:27:42
268.   mehmattski
257 After Byrd's single, Girardi came out of the dugout, with Donahue in toe. After just a few seconds looking at Joba, Chamberlain pointed to his pitching shoulder, and Girardi immediately turned to ask for a reliever. Joba slumped off the mound with Donahue holding Joba's arm.

See 262 for all the other information anyone has at the time.

2008-08-04 19:27:50
269.   Raf
Probably won't hear anything on Joba until after the game if not tomorrow
2008-08-04 19:27:54
270.   tommyl
265 Yes, it was a bad call. I hope Hank levels a protest, especially if Joba is hurt. Fucking umps.
2008-08-04 19:28:02
271.   williamnyy23
264 The ball has to hit the batter in fair territory. If it bounces back into the box, both the ball and the batter would be in foul territory.
2008-08-04 19:28:14
272.   cult of basebaal
261 so, theoretically, if a batter lined a shot of the pitching rubber that bounced back and hit the batter before he moved, the batter would be out?
2008-08-04 19:28:46
273.   Just fair
On one Yes angle I couldn't tell if it hit Kinsler. On another it looked clear to me that the ball glanced off his thigh.
2008-08-04 19:29:04
274.   51cq24
264 depends on where the contact occurs. here it was in front of the plate.
2008-08-04 19:29:07
275.   OldYanksFan
264 That's not what happened. Pudge fielded the ball in front of the plate, in fair territory.
2008-08-04 19:29:17
276.   mehmattski
264 A ball is fair when it passes first/third base or when a fielder touches it. Pudge picked up the ball in fair territory. It was a fair ball.
2008-08-04 19:29:47
277.   williamnyy23
273 I'd have no problem with the home plate umpire making either call. What I have a problem with his the 2nd base umpire over turning the call.
2008-08-04 19:30:10
278.   nick
oh, man.........just got here.......even a brief DL stint for Joba probably just about kills our chances, let alone anything worse--

what a season.

2008-08-04 19:30:41
279.   cult of basebaal
271 ok ... that makes sense ... tough to make the call on that play from the angle i saw ... still, BUGGER FUCK!
2008-08-04 19:31:18
280.   tommyl
Well, this might get IPK up to the majors quicker. Sigh. News on Joba would be nice.
2008-08-04 19:31:37
281.   williamnyy23
279 And you have the benefit of slow-mo replay. Imagine if you were standing 140 feet away at second base?
2008-08-04 19:31:44
282.   Sliced Bread
Joba looked grim. The trainer looked grim. The players looked concerned. Just a fucking grim picture.
2008-08-04 19:32:04
283.   tommyl
277 Yeah, that's an excellent point. That'd be like the homeplate umpire overturning a caught stealing call.
2008-08-04 19:32:37
284.   51cq24
277 i have a problem with no one on yes saying that the call was overturned until the yankees were complaining. or did i miss it?
2008-08-04 19:32:40
285.   tommyl
282 Yeah, and Joe looked less than happy when Donahue was talking to him. Methinks not good, but I'll try to be optimistic.
2008-08-04 19:32:49
286.   OldYanksFan
I mean, whatever the call, wouldn't it be NICE if we had Instant Replay, and the correct call was made? If we knew what really happened? If we didn't have to feel that the game, and maybe Joba, was lost on a blown call?
2008-08-04 19:33:01
287.   rsmith51
Well Joba shouldn't be walking Kinsler anyway. 2 runs from walks today came back to bite him.

The Texas announcers were complaining about the balks. Were they legit?

2008-08-04 19:33:07
288.   williamnyy23
Girardi looks like he wants to return to the hotel so he can cry.

If it's even minor discomfort, I would shut Joba down for the year. This team hasn't earned the right to put the future of the franchise at risk.

2008-08-04 19:33:43
289.   cult of basebaal
275 after it touched the batter, who was still (at least) HALF in the batter's box. where ever pudge picked it up is secondary to what the ruling is based on the status of the ball after it hit the batter in whatever status the batter had (or what william said, but not what you're implying is the pertinent point).
2008-08-04 19:33:46
290.   RIYank
But some of the batter's box is in fair territory.
2008-08-04 19:34:05
291.   Just fair
To me, the ball hit Kinsler's thigh and one of his feet was on the white line of the batters box and the other foot had yet to land out of the box. The ball landed in fair territory but it's a foul ball because it hit Ian in the box.
2008-08-04 19:34:08
292.   williamnyy23
That was a pitiful inning.
2008-08-04 19:34:15
293.   Schteeve
Man what's with this season.
2008-08-04 19:34:40
294.   mehmattski
I just went back through the replay. Joba threw a 2-1 slider that went for a swinging strike. He then took a long walk around the mound before getting back on the mound for the 2-2 pitch. Byrd grounded one foul, and Joba walked behind the mound shaking his arm. The YES cameras cut away for a while between pitches. The next pitch was hit for a single, and Joba stood on the mound not moving or particularly in pain.

Girardi and Donahue jog out to the mound. The initial camera shot didn't show much other than conversation. But then the replay showed Girardi saying something to Joba, who shook his head and pointed to his upper arm, just below the shoulder.

2008-08-04 19:35:54
295.   RIYank
289 Yeah, that's right.
What matters is where the ball was when it touched the batter. If it did touch him, in fair territory, he's out.
2008-08-04 19:35:55
296.   51cq24
it's really very simple. if it hit him in fair territory, he's out. it did, he should have been out. his feet make no difference. the ball hit him in front of the plate. out.
2008-08-04 19:36:18
297.   tommyl
293 Yeah. If this team makes the postseason Girardi deserves manager of the year again. A-Rod hurt for almost a month. Damon hurt for a few weeks. Matsui, Posada and Wang out for the season. Now possibly Joba out for significant time. Hughes and IPK hurt. I know every team has injuries, but sheesh. We're missing possibly four starters, our catcher, our DH/LF yikes.
2008-08-04 19:36:38
298.   Jeb
Thanks for the update guys...bad news...what a horrible night...we're leading 3-0 and cruising; Boston and Tampa are losing and then this. I'm very distraught.
2008-08-04 19:36:42
299.   williamnyy23
I wish we could get some news on Joba so I can be sure whether I should be investing any emotion at all in the outcome of this game.
2008-08-04 19:36:57
300.   Sliced Bread
as somebody said, at best it's just a cramp on a hot Texas night.
Here's hoping for the best.
Let's go Joba!
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2008-08-04 19:37:23
301.   OldYanksFan
289 If the ball did hit/glaze the batter, the ball was in fair territory, in front of the plate, at the time. If it hit him, he's out. If not, DP. Either way, the call was blown.
2008-08-04 19:37:25
302.   RIYank
294 That sounds like 'dead arm'. Maybe?
2008-08-04 19:37:51
303.   cult of basebaal
sigh. this joba thing is the 1 thing i couldn't take this year. i just can't express how much i've invested in joba in the short time he's been with the yankees. i mean, he's the best yankees pitching prospect i've ever had a chance to watch. he's the best yankees pitcher i've seen since late 70's guidry. he's a guy i could see winning cy young's, being legendary.

if he's really injured with something serious, i might not be able to watch the rest of the season, i'd be that disappointed. i'm just sick to my soul ...

2008-08-04 19:38:06
304.   rsmith51
296 I thought if any part of his body was in the batter's box, it is a foul ball if it hits him.
2008-08-04 19:38:07
305.   Just fair
Not to mention if the ball was in fair territory and Ian then touches it out of the box it is a dead ball and he is out. The guy on first would have to stay there. No double play possible. Blaming Joba's shoulder whatever on that play is ridiculous, anyway.
2008-08-04 19:38:25
306.   bobtaco
Is it possible Joba strained something when he ducked out of the way of Pudge's throw to second on the weird play? Joba sort of went down hard and broke his fall with his arms. You can see it in the replay.
2008-08-04 19:38:32
307.   tommyl
302 No, dead arm doesn't just come on. Dead arm is when you wake up a few days later and have no strength in the arm. This was clearly something that happened, whether a cramp or something worse I don't know.
2008-08-04 19:39:06
308.   mehmattski
302 I don't know. I've never seen anyone tear a rotator cuff, so I don't know if people who do are in agonizing pain. Because Joba was clearly not in any pain when they took him out. He just looked annoyed. Nothing from the camera angles suggested that he should have been taken out, but he didn't looked surprised that Donahue was on the mound with him.
2008-08-04 19:39:47
309.   williamnyy23
301 It was a blown call, but once again the offense has come up small. Four runs against Texas might as well be two runs against any other team. I more inclined to blame the players wearing road grays than the umpires.
2008-08-04 19:39:58
310.   51cq24
"stiff right shoulder" doesn't sound bad
2008-08-04 19:39:59
311.   Just fair
Stiff right shoulder, anyone.
2008-08-04 19:40:00
312.   randym77
"Stiff right shoulder" for Joba.
2008-08-04 19:40:01
313.   dianagramr
"stiff right shoulder" is the initial diagnosis, according to YES
2008-08-04 19:40:11
314.   bobtaco
Stiff right shoulder? Is that Giradi-speak?
2008-08-04 19:40:11
315.   williamnyy23
Joba has a stiff right shoulder. If I was the GM, he wouldn't throw another pitch this season.
2008-08-04 19:40:13
316.   Raf
Stiff shoulder, according to Singleton
2008-08-04 19:40:21
317.   mehmattski
306 Reminds me of Rookie of the Year ...
2008-08-04 19:40:25
318.   Sliced Bread
ah, the ambiguous stiff right shoulder.
2008-08-04 19:40:31
319.   cult of basebaal
texas announcers saying "stiff right shoulder" whatever the hell that could mean ...
2008-08-04 19:40:41
320.   tommyl
308 A torn rotator cuff would be excruciating. It would pop. I suppose if its a tiny tear it wouldn't be so bad, but I'd have to imagine it'd hurt. Also, you'd be unable to lift your arm above your shoulder anymore.
2008-08-04 19:40:59
321.   a O
Rangers' TV is reporting "stiff right shoulder," on Joba.
2008-08-04 19:41:06
322.   OldYanksFan
Texas announcers just reported that "the report on Joba is a stiff right shoulder". Let's hope that's the truth and not just Yankeespeak.
2008-08-04 19:41:22
323.   cult of basebaal
310 through 319 laughing is small consolation at this point, but that was funny!
2008-08-04 19:41:33
324.   tommyl
What the hell is a "stiff right shoulder"?
2008-08-04 19:41:35
325.   mehmattski
I think more people should say that it's a stiff shoulder, please.
2008-08-04 19:42:51
326.   dianagramr
Its "Bohemian Rhapsody", performed by Yankee fans
2008-08-04 19:42:55
327.   mehmattski


2008-08-04 19:43:43
328.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
sorry, which shoulder was it? was it stiff or hard?
2008-08-04 19:44:00
329.   Schteeve
303 I'm with you man. If Joba misses more than a start or two, I'm gonna take it pretty hard. Seems like everybody good has taken a beating this season. At least A-Rods injury was pretty quick and he came back looking just like the monster he's always been.
2008-08-04 19:44:20
330.   dianagramr
We'll send out the bat-signal to Will Carroll ...
2008-08-04 19:44:41
331.   RIYank
327 Oh, crud. Good find.
2008-08-04 19:44:45
332.   cult of basebaal
327 that's not very nice, MM ... good thing i'm invested heavily in the booze this evening!
2008-08-04 19:44:53
333.   mehmattski
327 That was the first google hit on "stiff right shoulder"

This is the second:

Wood didn't pitch again until August...

2008-08-04 19:44:57
334.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
327 of F#CK!!!! that is NOT funny...
2008-08-04 19:45:01
335.   ms october
323 i managed a slight chuckle. but i feel like you in 303 .
2008-08-04 19:45:27
336.   OldYanksFan
324 The opposite of a 'loose left shoulder'?
2008-08-04 19:45:43
337.   51cq24
333 shut the hell up messenger
2008-08-04 19:46:14
338.   OldYanksFan
Wow. Tek strikes out with 1st and 3rd. 4-2 after 7.5 OP.
2008-08-04 19:46:32
339.   Schteeve
315 That's a bit on the extreme side, no? Besides, "stiff shoulder" is meaningless. If you get shot in your shoulder, I bet it feels pretty stiff, if you sleep on your shoulder wrong, that probably feels stiff too. So, stiff shoulder means nothing. Especially if the diagnosis is coming from Girardi.
2008-08-04 19:47:45
340.   cult of basebaal
fuck. this is all my fault because of 48
2008-08-04 19:48:28
341.   Max
318 339 Really guys, not get new-agey on you all, but is there any point in getting all worked up and expecting a revelation on Joba's condition tonight?

Does anyone really expect the truth so soon after this all happened? I'm just as worried sick as anyone, but I don't expect anything that goes beyond the usual evasions from the Girardi regime on this one...we may as well be getting a Belichick-ian mumble on Joba's actual status.

I'm just going to focus on the game...though it does look like the players themselves may be worried, since they seem to have forgotten how to hit again...they couldn't take advantage of two on, none out, and laid an egg the last inning.

2008-08-04 19:48:58
342.   randym77
286 I think baseball should have instant replay (just about every other sport does). But I don't think it would have changed this call. Not enough evidence.
2008-08-04 19:49:20
343.   williamnyy23
339 I don't think so. Even if this team was firing on all cyclinders I'd be disinclined to take any risks with Joba. The fact that they have been able to take off after 110 games makes it a no-brainer for me.
2008-08-04 19:49:28
344.   Just fair
2008-08-04 19:49:29
345.   mehmattski
Well, 327 was a bit of a joke. But looking further, the Yankees were telling the press for two months that it was a "stiff right shoulder." So it is Yankee-speak. Possibly means nothing, but also could mean "serious thing we don't know yet."
2008-08-04 19:49:37
346.   tommyl
NADY!!! Go Craig Wilson 2!
2008-08-04 19:49:42
347.   Schteeve
341 Yeah I'm not expecting anything, I'm just saying that reading anything into "stiff shoulder" is way premature.
2008-08-04 19:49:50
348.   ms october
well at least nady is playing well
2008-08-04 19:50:14
349.   nick
an X-Ray!
2008-08-04 19:50:26
350.   dianagramr
Does Michael Kay have an annoying HR call for Nady yet?
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2008-08-04 19:50:28
351.   Schteeve
Fuck yeah, I like this Nady cat.
2008-08-04 19:50:33
352.   cult of basebaal

not safe for viewing by children!!!

2008-08-04 19:50:37
353.   Sliced Bread
Nady Madonna!
2008-08-04 19:50:52
354.   williamnyy23
342 The irony of course, is the call WAS changed, but not by advanced technology. Instead, a human being standing 140 feet from the play overruled another (younger) human standing about 140 centimeters.
2008-08-04 19:51:08
355.   Max
Thank you XMAN!!! F**k all the doubters.
2008-08-04 19:51:11
356.   RIYank
By the way, on the fair/foul thing:
A foul ball includes one that

"while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground."

In other words, what matters is the position of the ball, not the position of the rest of the fielder's body.

2008-08-04 19:51:28
357.   51cq24
342 i disagree. the one thing the replays definitively ruled out was a foul ball.
2008-08-04 19:51:56
358.   ms october
350 yesterday he did x marks the spot
2008-08-04 19:52:05
359.   mehmattski
350 Singleton and Cone tonight.

I'd prefer X-factor, myself. Or "X-Files one deep!" among the many suggestions from yesterday.

2008-08-04 19:52:15
360.   williamnyy23
The tie is nice, but a walk off loss would be like insult to injury piled on top of salt in the wounds.
2008-08-04 19:52:32
361.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
bring on the X-puns, YAYYYYY!!!
2008-08-04 19:52:37
362.   Sliced Bread
Could just be a cramp on a hot Texas night. There's still hope for our pride and joy.
2008-08-04 19:52:39
363.   Schteeve
What was that movie that DMX was in where he kept saying "enter the mothafucking dragon."

That should be Nady's HR call.

2008-08-04 19:52:43
364.   RIYank
Right, I think the real lesson of mehmattski's link(s) is that 'stiff shoulder' is meaningless.
2008-08-04 19:52:45
365.   dianagramr
Xavier Nady now has more homers than Carlos Beltran.

(I think the Mets are regretting letting Nady go .... and Keppinger .... and Wigginton ... and )

2008-08-04 19:53:17
366.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nadie's really just like David Justice, the way the latter basically carried the team from day one of his arrival in 2000.

Right on, Nadie, right on.

2008-08-04 19:53:32
367.   FreddySez
I ran to check the rules on MLB before heading here. You're not allowed to lodge a protest on anything that results from an umpire's judgment, but you can protest a misapplication of the rules.

We're probably SOL there -- but do you think there's daylight in the fact that the umps reversed the call? I doubt it, but it would be nice. (4.19, 9.02 for those interested.)

In any case, the protest has to be indicated before the next play, so the ship has sailed.

2008-08-04 19:53:45
368.   a O
What does it mean? It means he has an unspecified shoulder injury.
2008-08-04 19:53:49
369.   mehmattski
354 Yeah, the problem has always been that umps seem to want to show each other up. It took pushing from the commissioner's office before they agreed to conference after questionable home run calls. Why can't the four men who were all looking at the same thing conference and tell each other what they know?
2008-08-04 19:54:08
370.   Jeb
does texas have an MRI?
2008-08-04 19:54:55
371.   williamnyy23
I wonder about giving Bruney two innings here. Even when healthy, he was always a one inning type.
2008-08-04 19:56:19
372.   Sliced Bread
yeah, Bruno's dealing...
2008-08-04 19:56:38
373.   mehmattski
370 You mean the Texas Rangers, or the entire state of Texas? I'm guessing no on the former, and yes on the latter. I would also expect that the Yankees would send Joba back to NYC for an MRI.

The machines are very expensive and require at least an associate's degree to operate. I would hope that baseball teams would not have them in their clubhouses....

2008-08-04 19:57:09
374.   tommyl
Well the difference between Joba and Po's stiff shoulder is that if they think there is anything wrong with Joba besides a cramp they won't let him pitch, whereas they were willing to try to push Posada. We should know a lot more a lot sooner.
2008-08-04 19:57:20
375.   OldYanksFan
Nothing new from PeteAbe:
UPDATE, 10:39 p.m.: The Yankees announced that Chamberlain has a stiff right shoulder. That could mean just about anything, none of it good. We'll talk to Girardi later, but don't expect much in the way of information.

It'll be interesting to see whether they let Chamberlain speak to the media.

2008-08-04 19:57:21
376.   Just fair
Mo had shoulder stiffness 6 years ago.
2008-08-04 19:57:24
377.   Sliced Bread
now here's Marty.
2008-08-04 19:57:56
378.   dianagramr
Let's get this Marte started .....
2008-08-04 19:58:29
379.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
excepting Edvar's granny last night (which could fall on Girardi for not yanking him) the bullpen has indeed been superb..
2008-08-04 19:58:43
380.   mehmattski
376 And threw a four out save against Boston three days later...
2008-08-04 19:59:29
381.   williamnyy23
373 I'd imagine that most new stadiums do have an MRI machine. When you consider the amount of money spent on scoreboards, I'd think $1mn would be such a prohibitive cost, especially considering the price tag on the players for whom the scans would be intended.
2008-08-04 20:00:24
382.   monkeypants
Sooo...has Marte gotten any LH batters out yet?
2008-08-04 20:00:39
383.   nick
good to see Edwar came back tonight, except, of course, for the circumstances....
2008-08-04 20:00:41
384.   williamnyy23
Marte isn't really working out as a lefty specialist. This year has a very fatalistic feeling.
2008-08-04 20:01:14
385.   RIYank
Good thing we had a lefty to face Murphy.
2008-08-04 20:01:36
386.   alittleblackegg
At least a guy who strikes out constantly is up now...
2008-08-04 20:01:42
387.   Just fair
Leave 'em at 3rd Marte. C'mon, brother.
2008-08-04 20:02:05
388.   OldYanksFan
Double Crap! Boston has 2 on, 1 out, Papi up in the 9th.
2008-08-04 20:02:21
389.   weeping for brunnhilde

We have a guy gets out lefties!

2008-08-04 20:02:26
390.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2008-08-04 20:02:33
391.   RIYank
Wow, good comeback, Damaso.
2008-08-04 20:02:40
392.   mehmattski
381 Eh, but then the cost of employing full time MRI technicians and doctors on call to diagnose injuries on the spot... useful maybe 3-4 times in a season? It's not worth it.

Plus, there's a medical reason why an immediate MRI is worthless... for most of the relevant injuries, there is so much swelling that an accurate image cannot be obtained until a few days later.

2008-08-04 20:03:10
393.   Just fair
380 So the results stand at 1 to 1. : )
2008-08-04 20:03:26
394.   alittleblackegg
Salty is a strike out guy too - good luck Marte.
2008-08-04 20:03:36
395.   RIYank
388 The second base runner got on by a fly ball that should have been caught, not sure what happened exactly. Dropped in front of the fielder.
2008-08-04 20:03:56
396.   dianagramr

I concur .... and Will would too ....

2008-08-04 20:04:28
397.   RIYank
393 Talk about your small n!
2008-08-04 20:05:11
398.   williamnyy23
392 I have a feeling sports teams already have arrangements with skilled medical professionals beyond their own team physicians, who themselves are often reknowned physicians. I don't think the labor cost would be an issue.

There probably isn't a medical reason for having an immediate MRI, but I'd think comfort and ease of access would be a bigger issue.

2008-08-04 20:05:36
399.   RIYank
Papi grounds out slowly to first, runners advance.
2008-08-04 20:05:58
400.   51cq24
whatever the actual injury is, i don't think a slightly lengthened inning due to umpire incompetence is to blame. we need instant replay (as a transition to mostly computers) to get the calls right, not to avoid injuries.
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2008-08-04 20:06:25
401.   OldYanksFan
Papi grounds out. 2nd and 3rd, 2 out, Youk up, 4-2, 9th inning.
2008-08-04 20:06:28
402.   Just fair
Marte on, Wayne. Marte on, Garth.
2008-08-04 20:06:38
403.   weeping for brunnhilde
I like this Martian guy.

The warlike Mars.

2008-08-04 20:06:59
404.   RIYank
They walk Youk to pitch to Bay. Odd choice. I think it's always wrong to load the bases in this situation, no matter who's batting.
2008-08-04 20:07:00
405.   Sliced Bread
It's a par-tay at the Marte Gras!
2008-08-04 20:07:38
406.   mehmattski
393 Kerry Wood's stiff shoulder doesn't count? Also, John Maine was sidelined with a stiff shoulder on August 1 of this year, and missed his next start. Atlanta starter John Thompson came out of a start on July 8, 2006 with right shoulder stiffness and didn't pitch again until September.

So... I think it's 4 to 1...

2008-08-04 20:07:45
407.   OldYanksFan
Youk with an IBB. Jason Bay up. Does he earn his socks here?
2008-08-04 20:08:28
408.   williamnyy23
400 I don't think we need instant replay..just umpires who don't overrule each other when there is no way they could have had a better view.
2008-08-04 20:08:53
409.   RIYank

Bay hits a dribbler, the SS and 3B collide and the runs scores everyone safe.

2008-08-04 20:09:15
410.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
405 "Holy Marklar! I hope Marklar comes to Marklar with his Marklar!" -- Marklar from Planet Marklar
2008-08-04 20:09:23
411.   cult of basebaal
"what were you thinking, robin ventura? what were you thinking?"
2008-08-04 20:09:26
412.   OldYanksFan
Bad play ruled an infield hit. 4-3. Casey up.
2008-08-04 20:09:38
413.   mehmattski
398 The point is that an immediate MRI, and in most cases an immediate X-Ray, are not conclusive diagnoses. So even if teams spent exorbitantly to get an MRI machine, technicians, and doctors on call for the few times a player gets hurt in a season.... that they would be getting medically useless results.

They would be spending their money better if they hired a team psychic to touch Joba's shoulder to see how long he'd be out.

2008-08-04 20:09:43
414.   51cq24
408 that's a start, but then again this umpire has been 5' from the strike zone the whole game and that doesn't seem to help him with balls and strikes.
2008-08-04 20:09:52
415.   Emma Span
Holy crap, Eddie Guardado is still pitching?!?

I could've sworn he retired after 2006... instead I see he just went to Cincinnati. Easy to confuse the two.

2008-08-04 20:09:54
416.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
409 what can you say but "Kansas City"?
2008-08-04 20:10:37
417.   mehmattski
410 Rockin the South Park references the last few days. Nice!
2008-08-04 20:10:44
418.   OldYanksFan
Casey flys out. Boston loses.
2008-08-04 20:11:16
419.   RIYank
Wow, that was a close one. Casey's soft line drive down the line barely stabbed, Sox lose. Whew.
2008-08-04 20:11:20
420.   Max
360 A walk off loss would suck, but if it's in the next two innings I can live with it. Burning our bullpen to lose in a long extra inning game at the start of a long road trip, while losing another quality starter, would truly be like swallowing sulfuric acid.
2008-08-04 20:12:03
421.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
417 having all the episodes online (Simpsons too) means never having to watch Japanese tv again thankfully!
2008-08-04 20:12:21
422.   mehmattski

Joba was a prospect
But now he pitch no more
For what he thought was H20
Was H2S04....

2008-08-04 20:12:37
423.   51cq24
420 or pouring it onto our pitching staff
2008-08-04 20:12:54
424.   alittleblackegg
I kinda like this pinch hit choice - Richie walks a lot, at least. Right?
2008-08-04 20:13:12
425.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jeez, I wonder what Sexson can hit if not that 2-0 pitch. Or the 2-1 for that matter.
2008-08-04 20:13:46
426.   monkeypants
Methinks the Sexson experiment will end soon.
2008-08-04 20:13:52
427.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Sexson with the K..surprising!
2008-08-04 20:13:57
428.   Sliced Bread
Sloppy Sex, as in bad swing.
2008-08-04 20:14:14
429.   alittleblackegg
Proved me wrong, Big Sexy.
2008-08-04 20:14:15
430.   Max
That Sexson pickup sure looks good now, doesn't it?
2008-08-04 20:14:16
431.   cult of basebaal
i'd rather have had the j-christazzle up there rather than dicklock ... meh.
2008-08-04 20:15:06
432.   williamnyy23
You can't blame Sexson...I am sure he isn't use to an AB every three games. He probably isn't worth carrying if he isn't going to play regularly against lefties (which I don't they he should).
2008-08-04 20:15:08
433.   weeping for brunnhilde
Beautiful, blistering hit by Damon.

Come on, Derek, be a hero!

2008-08-04 20:15:24
434.   Sliced Bread
Bring Johnny home!
2008-08-04 20:15:33
435.   williamnyy23
Let's see if the ghost of Derek Jeter can save the day.
2008-08-04 20:15:36
436.   cult of basebaal
c'mon jetes, i'll take back everything for a hit right now!
2008-08-04 20:15:39
437.   Schteeve
Ok Jeter, time to earn your pinstripes.
2008-08-04 20:15:45
438.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
yeah!! C'mon Derek, now hit one like you used to for Mariah!!
2008-08-04 20:15:49
439.   RIYank
I just realized, Joba must have got entirely the wrong message from that "300" screening! (2 , etc.)
2008-08-04 20:16:30
440.   mehmattski
439 Tonight, he dines in hell...
2008-08-04 20:16:40
441.   Just fair
MehMattski, you got me. Just trying to look on the good side. You're 1st example of Posada made me forget about the other guys you mentioned. : )
2008-08-04 20:17:04
442.   randym77
415 Everyday Eddie was injured much of his time with Cincinnati. I think he had Tommy John surgery or something of that ilk.

The Rangers seem to be collecting a lot of Reds rejects.

2008-08-04 20:17:19
443.   cult of basebaal
432 true, but i wondered the same thing before they signed him ... in any case, he's got an awfully slow and ugly swing ... it very well could be time for him to move to mexico, or japan ...
2008-08-04 20:17:30
444.   monkeypants
432 I agree. Really, once Nady and Pudge showed up, Sexson's utility sort of evaporated. If he can't accustom himself to PH (which does seem to be tough) then they should probably cut him loose.
2008-08-04 20:18:25
445.   Just fair
2008-08-04 20:18:29
446.   tommyl
fuckkkkk...Hamilton is soooooo good.
2008-08-04 20:18:38
447.   williamnyy23
How much does that suck? How much does this season suck?
2008-08-04 20:18:46
448.   Sliced Bread
sick catch, dude
2008-08-04 20:18:48
449.   weeping for brunnhilde
2008-08-04 20:19:51
450.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
so "lined out to J.Hamilton" on Gameday doesn't do the catch justice??
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2008-08-04 20:20:09
451.   cult of basebaal
alright you ranger corksuckers! you motherfarging sonsofbatches, i'll farging kill you, you iceholes!!!
2008-08-04 20:20:55
452.   nick
I predict that John Sterling will never have to make the ".....and it's a Sex Bomb!" call.
2008-08-04 20:21:09
453.   randym77
Actually, Hamilton isn't that good a CFer. You'd think he would be, because he's got great speed, and a pitcher's arm. But he doesn't read the ball off the bat that well. I think he's going to end up in right field.
2008-08-04 20:21:21
454.   weeping for brunnhilde
450 Uh, that would be a no.

Running shoestring catch followed by a little tumble.

Very, very nice play.

2008-08-04 20:21:31
455.   nick
Marte again? I don't like this at all...
2008-08-04 20:21:53
456.   williamnyy23
450 Actually, I think a more fluid centerfielder (say Curtis Granderson or Sizemore) mkaes that catch more easily.
2008-08-04 20:22:40
457.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, yes! Leadoff walk is just what we needed.
2008-08-04 20:22:48
458.   williamnyy23
A lead off walk in the 9th...just great. Here comes that walkoff...
2008-08-04 20:23:07
459.   mehmattski
453 Hamilton doesn't have enough innings to qualify, but if he did he'd be next to last in RZR, at .864, ahead of only Nate McClouth.
2008-08-04 20:23:23
460.   51cq24
456 i agree, it would be somewhat routine
2008-08-04 20:23:32
461.   Jeb
450 I'm sorry but it wasn't that great of a catch. What a halo he wears.
2008-08-04 20:24:07
462.   Max
422 Ha ha ha, that's awesome! :-)

I take it you were a pre-med at Duke...I never did anything past Bonk's intro class (and it's certainly been long enough since then), so I'll take your word for it regarding the formula.

2008-08-04 20:24:11
463.   alittleblackegg
Now we probably have to see Young this inning, then Hamilton. Gag.
2008-08-04 20:24:35
464.   alittleblackegg
DP, please please...
2008-08-04 20:24:39
465.   mehmattski
I'm feeling a walk-off balk, David Cone style.
2008-08-04 20:24:40
466.   JimCobain
C'mon Marte, don't lose a 2nd guy after being up 0-2.
2008-08-04 20:25:10
467.   Jeb
sure walk Kinsler too whydontcha.
2008-08-04 20:25:16
468.   51cq24
good fucking god
2008-08-04 20:25:54
469.   monkeypants
457 Well, let's see: a record over .500, on pace for about 90 wins (89, I think), in contention for a play-off spot going into August. I'd say it doesn't suck that much as far as seasons go. I still remember the late 80s pretty clearly.
2008-08-04 20:26:21
470.   mehmattski
462 Actually I was one of those handful of biology majors who wasn't a pre-med. Those over-achievers, always blowing the curve... things are much nicer in grad school :-) also the basketball ticket policy is much more sane.
2008-08-04 20:26:34
471.   JimCobain
Nice pitch!
2008-08-04 20:27:04
472.   JimCobain
Let's get the catcher, DH, whatever to GIDP.
2008-08-04 20:27:08
473.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
469 yep, me too. I grew up with Steve Balboni and Alvaro Espinoza...
2008-08-04 20:27:21
474.   Jeb
469 true, I don't recall being this engaged in August, 1990 either!
2008-08-04 20:27:29
475.   RIYank
469 Party pooper.
2008-08-04 20:28:18
476.   randym77
459 Where's Melky on that list?

Just wondering...

2008-08-04 20:28:30
477.   alittleblackegg
472 Texas is deploying a rare DOUBLE CATCHER strategy. Got to get those turtles in the lineup.
2008-08-04 20:28:35
478.   RIYank
Okay, I hate to admit this, but I am actually thinking, "Don't use Mo until we have the lead."
2008-08-04 20:28:53
479.   williamnyy23
469 I guess I measure seasons against expectations. I thought this was a 100 win team entering the season, so this year has fallen well short of mine.
2008-08-04 20:28:57
480.   JimCobain
Marte is out of gas, get him out of there!
2008-08-04 20:29:14
481.   Schteeve
The nice thing about this game is that we are short handed in the pen, just like a cherry on top of a pile of crap.
2008-08-04 20:29:24
482.   cult of basebaal
c'mon marte, quit fucking around!
2008-08-04 20:29:38
483.   RIYank
Hmm, 478 may not be an issue.
2008-08-04 20:29:59
484.   mehmattski
476 Seventh, at .936 (fourth in the AL). A few weeks ago THT reported that the RZR league average for CFs was .913.
2008-08-04 20:30:15
485.   Jeb
Could we please just put Mariano in the game now. I really can't take Damaso Farnte anymore.
2008-08-04 20:30:32
486.   nick
479 so you had all three kids starting effectively and no 34-yr old guys getting hurt or declining?

not to sound snarky--I was hoping for the same thing....

2008-08-04 20:30:45
487.   Max
481 Was Robertson not an option this inning?
2008-08-04 20:31:22
488.   cult of basebaal
479 100 wins? well, that explains a whole lot.
2008-08-04 20:31:38
489.   randym77
462 That rhyme is ancient. The first time I saw it was in a children's book that dated from the '40s or '50s, and it was probably old then.
2008-08-04 20:31:39
490.   williamnyy23
469 Also, I am not sure why the late-80s gets such a bad rap. Every year but 1989 pretty much matches that same description, and that's without three divisions and the wild card.
2008-08-04 20:31:48
491.   mehmattski
PeteAbe reported before the game that Rivera was moving around stiffly before the game, and was unsure of his availability. He didn't update the item. So Mo may not be available...
2008-08-04 20:31:51
492.   JimCobain
OK, so he got two outs. Is this the ultimate tease or will he get the job done?
2008-08-04 20:31:57
493.   Just fair
This match-up is a tad scary.
2008-08-04 20:32:00
494.   Jeb
Jeter told him to throw a DP ball...Something Jeter knows all too well.
2008-08-04 20:32:20
495.   Sliced Bread
walk Hamilton. he's due.
2008-08-04 20:32:29
496.   Schteeve
487 I was refering to Mo's iffy status.
2008-08-04 20:33:35
497.   mehmattski
Seriously, who expects a 100-win team before the season. There hasn't been one in the AL since 2004!
2008-08-04 20:34:00
498.   williamnyy23
486 I had a huge amount of confidence in Hughes and Chamberlain and was even bullish on Mussina. My basic logic was same offense (maybe a better Cano, Melky and Damon offsetting a decline in Alex), but a huge improvement in the bottom of the rotation.
2008-08-04 20:34:27
499.   Raf
Look on Joe's face says it all...
2008-08-04 20:34:28
500.   randym77
Quit freakin' walking 'em!
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2008-08-04 20:34:29
501.   williamnyy23
I really hope Marte isn't going to be case of if it aint broken, don't fix it.
2008-08-04 20:34:44
502.   Jeb
Joe has to pull Marte...NOW.
2008-08-04 20:34:49
503.   Just fair
Perfect ending.
2008-08-04 20:34:51
504.   mehmattski
I think Girardi just collapsed.
2008-08-04 20:35:13
505.   rsmith51
Killer walks...

Pitch to somebody...

2008-08-04 20:35:25
506.   RIYank
That was decisive.
2008-08-04 20:35:32
507.   Jeb
2008-08-04 20:35:32
508.   williamnyy23
The Yankee roller coaster is headed back down, and this time I think the drop is going to be very steep.
2008-08-04 20:35:34
509.   randym77
Well, at that point, a grand slam was the same as a walk. :-P
2008-08-04 20:35:49
510.   cult of basebaal
491 the next note said that mo said he was available ... however, i can understand that ...


2008-08-04 20:35:49
511.   weeping for brunnhilde
I'm utterly demoralized.

I don't kddklfjdslj

I don't even know what to say.

Am I tripping or did I just witness what I think I did?

2008-08-04 20:35:55
512.   Sliced Bread
It's my Marte and I'll cry if I want to.. cry if I want to...

ah 'nother horseshit loss.

2008-08-04 20:35:56
513.   alittleblackegg
Everything's bigger in Texas. G'night.
2008-08-04 20:36:00
514.   nick

That was worse than anything Torre did with the pen.

I think that's the season, kids.


2008-08-04 20:36:18
515.   Schteeve
I think this is the worst baseball game I've ever watched. Just nothing good at all. Blarg.
2008-08-04 20:37:10
516.   monkeypants
514 Anything? Really?
2008-08-04 20:37:14
517.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
42 pitches for was he left in after those walks??????
2008-08-04 20:37:25
518.   mehmattski
515 Certainly the worst regular season game I've seen since... well... the Hughes game last year in Texas.
2008-08-04 20:37:52
519.   seattleyank
That was a lot of pitches for Marte in that heat. You gotta think Mo wasn't available.
2008-08-04 20:38:02
520.   Sliced Bread
crusher to start the road trip.
2008-08-04 20:38:27
521.   randym77
497 I didn't. I had serious doubts about this Yankees team, even in spring training. More than with any Yankees team in recent years. I didn't think we had the pitching to compete with Boston.

I admit I didn't see the Rays juggernaut coming, though.

2008-08-04 20:38:35
522.   dianagramr
time to watch The Simpsons ....
2008-08-04 20:39:00
523.   williamnyy23
I'd sign up for a healthy Joba starting Opening Day 2009.
2008-08-04 20:39:42
524.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
522 nice..something with Troy McClure to make you laugh??
what an awful, awful loss...
2008-08-04 20:40:00
525.   weeping for brunnhilde
What have any of us done to deserve this kind of horseshit served up on a daily basis?

I give up.

I can't take it anymore.

I don't even know what I'm going to do

I'm just sitting here in something like utter disbelief.

Did that all really just happen?

2008-08-04 20:40:07
526.   RIYank
Honestly, I think Girardi was in a very tough situation. The bullpen was thin already, and you have to figure it will get a lot of use over the next few days. Maybe he should have pulled Marte -- probably. But trying to squeeze another out from him made sense, too.
2008-08-04 20:41:10
527.   51cq24
whatever benevolent baseball god helped us out yesterday was undone today by the asshole god most people believe in
2008-08-04 20:41:40
528.   seattleyank
525 That's baseball. The season's 162 games, so there are going to be nights like this. This is how Angels fans felt yesterday (minus the Joba situation).
2008-08-04 20:41:50
529.   Yankees Brasil
40+ pitches from a 1-inning reliever on a scalding night. This manager is a joke. Tough when you have to overcome the umps and your own manager to win games.
2008-08-04 20:42:23
530.   weeping for brunnhilde
527 Yeah, but at least that god helped us out with that fourth run, not with a bang, but a whimper.

That's something.

2008-08-04 20:42:41
531.   51cq24
i think it's usually harder to come in with the bases loaded and get the out than to get out the jam you got yourself into, but it does seem like an awful lot of pitches for a short reliever
2008-08-04 20:42:45
532.   nick
516 526 can't agree--after 40 pitches, walking the bases loaded, in that kinda heat?

saving the pen is managing for tomorrow; this team can't afford that luxury.

2008-08-04 20:42:49
533.   Max
526 I tend to agree, but two days in a row, he leaves a pitcher that's clearly running on fumes to clean up his own mess...with horrific results both times. Not good.
2008-08-04 20:43:23
534.   seattleyank
529 Who should he have put in? I'm sure if Mo was available he would have used him.
2008-08-04 20:43:36
535.   RIYank
I was neither at the hot gates
Nor fought in the warm rain
Nor knee deep in the salt marsh, heaving a cutlass,
Bitten by flies, fought.
2008-08-04 20:44:08
536.   Eirias
2008-08-04 20:45:19
537.   51cq24
there isn't even a met game to make fun of
2008-08-04 20:45:25
538.   RIYank
535 is for the few who were here at the top of the thread and are still here. It seems like the right mood. The Joba/flies connection is just a freebie.
2008-08-04 20:46:31
539.   weeping for brunnhilde
Can we just forfeit the rest of the season?

(Ok, in an honest effort to gain a little perspective, I was calling for us to just forfeit the California series and miraculously we managed a split, so credit where it's due.)

2008-08-04 20:46:32
540.   mehmattski
535 The broad-backed hippopotamus
Rests on his belly in the mud;
Although he seems so firm to us
He is merely flesh and blood.
2008-08-04 20:46:47
541.   williamnyy23
This game doesn't really sting. Maybe it's the concern for Joba, but more likely it's the returning realization that this just isn't a very good team. The 8-game winning streak (like the 7-game streak before) kind of drew me back in, but then they play such a poor stretch of games that you realize exactly what this team is...a 85ish win team with a boatload of holes.
2008-08-04 20:49:07
542.   RIYank
540 Hm. Ponson?
2008-08-04 20:49:30
543.   williamnyy23
By the way, can we get those draft picks for Marte right now?
2008-08-04 20:53:10
544.   51cq24
543 perhaps you should just hibernate until spring, when you can predict another 100 win season for a team full of holes
2008-08-04 20:55:37
545.   monkeypants
541 I know what you're saying, but you worded it sort of funny. I mean, if you take away 15 wins, isn't a 100 win team basically an 85 win team? Or, how about this--instead of going 15-0 over two long winning streaks, they instead went, say, 8-7. Take away 7 wins from a 92 win team and you have an 85 win team.

So yes, take away a bunch of wins and the Yankees are basically a team with fewer wins.

2008-08-04 20:57:00
546.   Max
543 Isn't that a little harsh? Marte is not a two inning pitcher, and it was a bit foolhardy of Girardi to try and make him one. This reminded me of Girardi's attempt to turn Ohlendorf into a long man while he was with us...with equally disastrous results.
2008-08-04 20:57:41
547.   randym77
From Pete Abe:

"The Yankees announced that Chamberlain has a stiff right shoulder. That could mean just about anything, none of it good. We'll talk to Girardi later, but don't expect much in the way of information.

It'll be interesting to see whether they let Chamberlain speak to the media."

2008-08-04 20:58:14
548.   williamnyy23
544 Sure beats blaming God.

545 What I meant is that two long winning streaks masked the general inconsistency of this team. After seeing them play over the past week, it's hard to not expect them to lose again.

2008-08-04 21:00:34
549.   monkeypants
532 I agree that he left his pitchers in too long today and yesterday. On the other hand, once he got two outs, and the semi-intentional walk to Hamilton, leaving him in to get the final out was not unconscionable.

My point in 516 is that until Girardi uses Jeff Weaver (or his equivalent) out of the BP, ahead of Rivera, in a World Series, for two innings, he will never, ever, ever make a BP move as bad as Joe Torre.

2008-08-04 21:01:53
550.   mehmattski
549 I'm happy to report that Jeff Weaver is currently pitching for the Buffalo Bisons (Cleveland's AAA team), and he gave up three solo homers to the Durham Bulls last week. That is all.
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2008-08-04 21:03:11
551.   williamnyy23
546 Yes it is...but Marte doesn't strike me as being worth his $6mn option.
2008-08-04 21:03:40
552.   RIYank
I just love the concept of a boatload of holes 541 .
2008-08-04 21:04:05
553.   randym77
Joe says Mo was not available.
2008-08-04 21:04:15
554.   51cq24
549 or leaves tom gordon in after a monster hr and walk to give up a single to put the tying run at 3rd, and only then goes to mo for 6 outs

548 isn't that what god was invented for?

2008-08-04 21:05:13
555.   RIYank
"Well, sir, here are your holes, an entire load of them, right here in the hold."

"Hm, where are they? I don't see any holes."

"Huh?? I swear I loaded up an entire boatload of them! What the hell could have happened???"

2008-08-04 21:05:48
556.   51cq24
552 now they know how many holes it takes to fill the albert hall
2008-08-04 21:06:08
557.   randym77
Joe says Joba might miss his next start, but he doesn't think it's serious. Joba's being sent back to NY for tests tomorrow.
2008-08-04 21:08:46
558.   weeping for brunnhilde
549 You think that walk was semi-intentional?

Interesting. Maybe you're right, but it looked to me like he went after him to the bitter end and just failed to throw a strike.

2008-08-04 21:09:02
559.   51cq24
557 well now the loss really sucks
2008-08-04 21:09:05
560.   monkeypants
553 OK, but the cynic would ask: "What else would he say?"

557 In Yankee/Girardi speak, this is sounding worse and worse.

So boys and girls, waiver claim? Or IPK? Or Kei Igawa? Or...Phil Hughes?

2008-08-04 21:09:18
561.   seattleyank
Thank god! Screw the loss -- if Joba's healthy I'm happy.
2008-08-04 21:09:55
562.   weeping for brunnhilde
552 There's a hole in me pocket.
2008-08-04 21:11:26
563.   RIYank
560 You think?
"Probably nothing serious" in Giardi speak actually sounds pretty good to me.
2008-08-04 21:12:21
564.   RIYank
Yeah, in fact, I was thinking more along the lines of 51cq24. (Gosh that's a catchy name.)
2008-08-04 21:13:21
565.   RIYank
562 I didn't realize the boat was a submarine!
2008-08-04 21:13:44
566.   monkeypants
If Joba has to miss a start, they could go with an extra BP pitcher and DFA Sexson, and slip Rasner back in the rotation. Or they could try to throw Hughes on an extra day's rest (or shuffle the rotation and throw him on his regular cycle). Hughes threw 54 pitches yesterday and hopes to throw 60+ next time.

I'm just playing with possibilities.

2008-08-04 21:13:47
567.   randym77
They are letting Joba talk to the media.

He says it wasn't the throw from Pudge that he had to duck. He felt it in the fifth inning. No pain, just stiffness.

Girardi saw him shaking his arm, and that's why he went out and got him.

Joba and Joe both said his velocity is still good, so they don't think it's serious.

2008-08-04 21:17:57
568.   RIYank
I just can't believe they wouldn't bring IPK back up. I know they don't want to expose him again, and that's reasonable, but this is real need situation.
To fill in for a start or two, I mean.
2008-08-04 21:21:52
569.   Max
If I had to guess, I think Joba's done for the rest of the road trip at a minimum. Even in a best case situation -- that he's available toward the end of this month -- it's still crappy timing with our paucity of starting pitching and all the road games with no break.
2008-08-04 21:22:05
570.   monkeypants
558 I didn't see it. But I figure that he would be more careful with Hamilton than he might otherwise have been. In any case, I can see the logic of trying to squeeze one more out of Marte once he got to two outs, especially if his BP was short (No Mo, Geise, Edwar, Bruney). Either he would get out of the inning within two batters or lose, there could have been no other outcome.
2008-08-04 21:22:53
571.   51cq24
maybe marte can start on saturday
2008-08-04 21:23:50
572.   monkeypants
568 569 Would you DL Joba, or just sit him for a start. In either case, would you go with an extra pitcher until he's back?
2008-08-04 21:25:11
573.   seattleyank
Bring up Kennedy. Send Sexson packing.
2008-08-04 21:25:21
574.   mehmattski
567 Thanks! I will sleep tonight after all!
2008-08-04 21:26:35
575.   weeping for brunnhilde
565 ;)
2008-08-04 21:28:27
576.   RIYank
572 If I thought he only needed to miss the one start, then I wouldn't DL him. I want the extra start more than the extra roster spot. If I could assign Sexson to AAA I would, but since that's not allowed... yeesh. I guess I'd drop Rasner down and let Kennedy pitch.
2008-08-04 21:29:32
577.   RIYank
Oh, right, we could of course designate Sexson for assignment. Yeah, that's what I'd do, too, Seattle Y.
2008-08-04 21:29:59
578.   Max
571 Joe's done better than that, he started Bruney earlier this season and used Kennedy in relief. So I wouldn't put it past him.

While I like a lot of the things Girardi has done with the pitchers this season, he has definitely made some peculiar moves.

2008-08-04 21:31:02
579.   randym77
570 And no Veras.
2008-08-04 21:34:00
580.   Max
572 I'd sit him for a start if he really was OK, and avoid the DL. I think the team is going to be very cautious, though, and is going to call up another pitcher. I'd be shocked if he really does miss only one start.
2008-08-04 21:37:56
581.   monkeypants
578 Peculiar, but necessarily bad. The division between "starter" and "reliever" is somewhat artificial especially considering how starters these days do not pitch as long, doubly especially for fifth starters. In the case of an emergency start, I don't see the difference between starting a a rookie (for example) who will probably only go three innings (five at most), or simply starting with your BP and working backwards.
2008-08-04 21:42:20
582.   monkeypants
580 I agree. So let's say he just sits for a start before any decision is made about the DL. Calling up an extra pitcher means someone else has to go. Now, they could option down a reliever and try to play Scranton shuttle with the BP. But I suspect that a position player will get the axe. If so, that can mean only two realistic options: Sexson is DFA'd or Christian is optioned (Melky could be optioned too, but that's not going to happen).
2008-08-04 21:52:26
583.   Max
581 True, and I applaud creativity in considering fluid roles for pitchers, which is where Girardi outdoes Torre. For pitchers called from the minors for emergency starts with a strict pitch count, for example, I'd agree that they are not that different from relievers.

However, Kennedy has been groomed as a starter, not a jack of all trades, and (just my opinion) Girardi was overthinking the rain situation when he started Bruney. Roles do exist for a reason, and routines are created around those roles. I thought Girardi should have not tried to outsmart the weather and jerk around a rookie pitcher. But that's just me.

582 Christian may be optioned, though Sexson certainly seems to be the most expendable (that's the way I would go).

2008-08-04 21:57:19
584.   OldYanksFan
From ESPN:
"We believe it's muscular," Girardi said. "He's got some stiffness and we'll just see what it is. ... I didn't think it was anything serious just because the velocity was still there."

Even in a tight playoff race, the Yankees are likely to be cautious with the hard-throwing Chamberlain, who said he's never had a similar problem in his shoulder.

"It's a little stiff now," he said. "It's in the Deltoid below my shoulder. Strength is fine, velocity is fine."

After the game, Girardi also revealed that star closer Mariano Rivera was unavailable for the second consecutive game because of back spasms.

"We were a little short-handed," the manager said. "He said he felt OK, but I've got to hear that he feels great."

2008-08-04 22:13:44
585.   Chyll Will
I will be crap, I can't believe I missed out on Yellow Submarine refs; triggered by William no less >:'

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