2 don't hit plan b just yet.
looks ok in NY right now. They'll dance between the rain drops. It'll probably be a busy day for team tarp. Here's hoping delays dont mess with the Moose.
3 Moose just seems cursed not to get 20 wins. Watch this game get washed out and he loses a start somehow, or he'll be leading after 2 or 3 innings and then they call the game.
Oh, I can get a lot more pessimistic than that, because I'm going to the game today. Since I work down the street, I might be able to avoid sitting in the rain for an hour before the game starts. But I'm predicting two other in-game delays.
A month ago, I was trying to figure out which game to take my kids to (first time for them) - either next wed or today. Glad we're going next week (I think). Couldn't take a rain delay/thunderstorms with a 3 year old and a 5 year old. BTW, what CAN bring into the Stadium ? Water, sandwhiches ? I also have to drive and park - any advice ?
9 Yes, you can bring in sandwiches. Some people have reported problems with water and soda bottles, but I bring them in all the time. I haven't even been asked to take a swig to prove that they're not explosives.
10 It's not that much more full of ugly than the normal lineup. Right now Christian = Gardner, Molina is the starting C, and Damon can't play in the field. The only significant difference between this and the regular lineup is Sexson instead of Giambi.
Now, you and I both know that Giambi is the better option even against LHP, but this is more or less what they got Sexson for.
It's going to help when Damon can move back to the OF.
Sexson was a bad pick-up and this was why. There's absolutely no reason he should be taking ABs from Giambi - regardless of whether Damon is DHing or not. Sexson should be on the bench until Damon takes the field.
And this was where a lot of the criticism of the Sexson acquisition was rooted, whether he takes ABs from Giambi.
And hope you have a good time at the game. I drove when I went, but I think I got lucky in finding a spot in a garage down River Ave from the Stadium. I'm guessing its an afternoon game you're going to, in which case, be prepared to hit horrid traffic leaving (as I did).
Jorge Posada stepped up with the information. The MRI showed that his labrum is worse and that he has capsule damage. He will need surgery and a six-month rehab. However … he will try rehabbing for the next two weeks and consider trying to return as a DH and first baseman.
Posada said the Yankees are willing to have him play again this season even if it means missing part of next season. But if he comes back this season, he won't catch.
"Catching is out of the question," he said.
It seems curious to me that they would not want Posada ready to start next season, especially given how ineffective he was as a hitter. Obviously the injury has hampered his ability at the plate. But we'll see what happens in a few weeks.
*
So what the hell is he doing trying to rehab? So we can have another so so hitting DH? Get the surgery Jorgie, get it right freakin' now.
I frankly think it's irresponsible of the Yankees to not insist that Po get the surgery now. This season is shot (where he is concerned) why on earth compromise part of next season? It's really dumb. It's not as if his bat was all that frisky when he was playing this season.
22 Yes it is, especially when Posada has said the shoulder has hampered his hitting. He's shown no power since coming off the DL. What is the point? I don't think he can help much now anyways. Jorge's season is over, the sooner they admit that, the sooner he can start getting ready for next.
In the above Cano vs Cuba thread, Rob points out this might just be disinformation, to drive down the price of a bat. That makes sense, and I hope he's right.
28 If taking off a month or so earlier in the season didn't help it, I don't see how two weeks now will. If anything its more damaged than it was before and it hurts when he swings. I understand he's proud and all, but this is bordering on stupidity. Order him to get the surgery.
look, Posada's most likely postponing the inevitable, but it's worth waiting a few weeks to see if he heals enough to swing.
I don't like the 1b idea, but if can come off the bench and pinch it for someone at the bottom of the order I say that's worth the wait.
The way the Yankees handle injuries is starting to become maddening. For a team with a $200 million payroll its just laughable. Why is this even Posada's call? Its clear at this point he can't catch (where his bat is more valuable). As a DH he's much, much closer to league average even when he's hitting well. He's stated that the shoulder affects his swing and since coming back from six weeks off he's had no power at all. None. Of course Posada wants to play, any player (aside from Meat) would. Still, its the FO and manager's jobs to make that decision for him and tell him what to do.
31 but throwing is what exacerbated the injury, right?
Clearly, Po shouldn't throw...which is why I think 1b is a bad idea... but again..let's see if he can hit off the bench. That's the best case scenario. The worst case, we're already dealing with.
14 Agreed. Felt same way with the 'ugly' comment for last night. I think people are spoiled, the idea that right through a lineup you have threats feels odd to me. Maybe, maybe, the Tigers healthy and at their best have that, but look where they are. I have no essential problem with a defensive CF and our defensive catcher is a no-choice right now, anyhow. Not happy with Christian-Gardner but that's injury-related and part of the season. (I'm not a Gardner fan, myself, a good eye needs to be married to the ability to hit when you DO get the pitch and haven't seen it ... it is also comical how shallow the OF plays him. Reminds me of little league when the smallest hitter comes up.)
I have NO idea why we'd want Jorge to risk catching next season to be an extra DH this season. None. The best I can do is count months and note that a couple of week's testing before surgery still has him healed by late February but if he DOES DH the year, has surgery in fall, he's gone until May-June next year. Doesn't feel like a smart trade-off to me. So I disagree with my good man Sliced Bread on this. Two weeks is nothing, the season is a lot. And he WILL need the surgery.
Final comment after watching last night ... at risk of jinxing them, have to say the bullpen since Joba's a starter (but we MISS him in the 8th!) has been a pleasure to watch, and Bruney may be back soon. They have been a key to our having - check it out - the best record in the league with Angels since June 7, that famous arbitrary date. Minny was there, till we beat 'em twice.
32 So we're hoping he can PH and occasionally DH? How many ABs is that for the rest of the season? You wouldn't play him over Giambi or Damon in that spot the way he's hitting. So we're talking a few platoon DH starts and some PH. Without running the numbers I'm willing to bet that adds up to less than a single win over the rest of the season. Now factor in that any delay adds on to any time he might miss next season. It just doesn't add up to me. If they can't find a guy who can PH at that level I'd be shocked.
34 Except that it hurts to hit, also. And if it hurts, it's aggravating the injury.
The best case scenario, I think, is that he continues to produce the way he has this year. We've already seen that that's the most rehab will accomplish. The tradeoff for that will be carrying Molina's bat again, full-time, for a month or more of next season. Bad deal.
1) As others have pointed out, to date the "rest it and see what happens" approach has paid zero dividends.
2) They have 4 years and $40 million tied up in this guy. One and $10 million are pretty much wasted. Why jepoardize 2 and $20 million?
3) The 6 month rehab time assumes everything goes smoothly. What if he has setbacks? He's 37 and shoulders are a lot harder to rehab than say...elbows.
4) If he gets the surgery now, he can start working out full bore in January. If he waits 2 weeks which will realistically be a month, that puts him in Feb assuming everything goes smoothly. That gives him one month prior to ST to get in shape. That's cutting things really really close.
Shut it down now, be prudent. He's too valuable to risk the next 3 years by worsening the injury even more.
35 If you have to carry a defense-only catcher, or a defense-only CF, or a AAA player in the OF, you can live with that. Carrying all three is downright ugly.
(parents of young girls and fans of cartoons might get that reference)
watching this game was just about the only way i was going to survive the work day.
...i might have to go with plan b: liquor.
let's hope it doesn't come to that.
looks ok in NY right now. They'll dance between the rain drops. It'll probably be a busy day for team tarp. Here's hoping delays dont mess with the Moose.
OK, that's enough pessimism for today!
My cousin:
http://tiny.cc/GzxmE
Good stuff.
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Sexson 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian LF
Mussina RHP
Now, you and I both know that Giambi is the better option even against LHP, but this is more or less what they got Sexson for.
It's going to help when Damon can move back to the OF.
Sexson was a bad pick-up and this was why. There's absolutely no reason he should be taking ABs from Giambi - regardless of whether Damon is DHing or not. Sexson should be on the bench until Damon takes the field.
And this was where a lot of the criticism of the Sexson acquisition was rooted, whether he takes ABs from Giambi.
Take it straight up if you are an optimus prime
...or dripping with sarcasm if you are megatron
And hope you have a good time at the game. I drove when I went, but I think I got lucky in finding a spot in a garage down River Ave from the Stadium. I'm guessing its an afternoon game you're going to, in which case, be prepared to hit horrid traffic leaving (as I did).
JORGE POSADA UPDATE, 11:26 a.m.
Jorge Posada stepped up with the information. The MRI showed that his labrum is worse and that he has capsule damage. He will need surgery and a six-month rehab. However … he will try rehabbing for the next two weeks and consider trying to return as a DH and first baseman.
Posada said the Yankees are willing to have him play again this season even if it means missing part of next season. But if he comes back this season, he won't catch.
"Catching is out of the question," he said.
It seems curious to me that they would not want Posada ready to start next season, especially given how ineffective he was as a hitter. Obviously the injury has hampered his ability at the plate. But we'll see what happens in a few weeks.
*
So what the hell is he doing trying to rehab? So we can have another so so hitting DH? Get the surgery Jorgie, get it right freakin' now.
Anyway, is this man hitting, or is this man hitting!
and hot dog, it's sunny in NY right now!
go get surgery, cletus!
NOW!!!
In the above Cano vs Cuba thread, Rob points out this might just be disinformation, to drive down the price of a bat. That makes sense, and I hope he's right.
Worth the wait. Two weeks is nothing in the big picture.
way to protect your $40 million investment Hal!
Posada already took SIX weeks off to rest his shoulder. The result?
.248/.380/.371, 2 HR in 105 AB
and most of that came the first two weeks back, against awful competition (KC, SD, HOU). He's hit .205/.314/.288, 0 HR since 6/20/08.
I just fail to see how two more weeks of rest is going to do anything.
I don't like the 1b idea, but if can come off the bench and pinch it for someone at the bottom of the order I say that's worth the wait.
Clearly, Po shouldn't throw...which is why I think 1b is a bad idea... but again..let's see if he can hit off the bench. That's the best case scenario. The worst case, we're already dealing with.
I have NO idea why we'd want Jorge to risk catching next season to be an extra DH this season. None. The best I can do is count months and note that a couple of week's testing before surgery still has him healed by late February but if he DOES DH the year, has surgery in fall, he's gone until May-June next year. Doesn't feel like a smart trade-off to me. So I disagree with my good man Sliced Bread on this. Two weeks is nothing, the season is a lot. And he WILL need the surgery.
Final comment after watching last night ... at risk of jinxing them, have to say the bullpen since Joba's a starter (but we MISS him in the 8th!) has been a pleasure to watch, and Bruney may be back soon. They have been a key to our having - check it out - the best record in the league with Angels since June 7, that famous arbitrary date. Minny was there, till we beat 'em twice.
Agreed.
Hard to fathom why they'd fuck around like that.
.223/.339/.330, 124 PA
I have no idea when those appearances have come.
Posada as a DH, career:
.205/.320/.337, 197 PA
I am not as hopeful as you, o' Sunny Sliced.
The best case scenario, I think, is that he continues to produce the way he has this year. We've already seen that that's the most rehab will accomplish. The tradeoff for that will be carrying Molina's bat again, full-time, for a month or more of next season. Bad deal.
1) As others have pointed out, to date the "rest it and see what happens" approach has paid zero dividends.
2) They have 4 years and $40 million tied up in this guy. One and $10 million are pretty much wasted. Why jepoardize 2 and $20 million?
3) The 6 month rehab time assumes everything goes smoothly. What if he has setbacks? He's 37 and shoulders are a lot harder to rehab than say...elbows.
4) If he gets the surgery now, he can start working out full bore in January. If he waits 2 weeks which will realistically be a month, that puts him in Feb assuming everything goes smoothly. That gives him one month prior to ST to get in shape. That's cutting things really really close.
Shut it down now, be prudent. He's too valuable to risk the next 3 years by worsening the injury even more.
the gardner issue will be resolved when damon can throw again, probably next week ... but molina and hacky are back to back black holes of suck.
and this lineup is worse than last night. there are 4 legitimately mediocre hitters hacking tonite, which just isn't a long term winning situation.
Comment status: comments have been closed. Baseball Toaster is now out of business.