ah ... Chad Jennings has the post with the callup, though there's no news on who got sent down/DFA'd ... i'll make the guess that it was Iggy, though Hawkins has to have a bullseye on his back as well
I dunno if you guys talked about this yet, but we narrowly missed signing Brett Tomko.
"It came down to here and—people will think I'm crazy—the Yankees," Tomko said before the Padres played the Seattle Mariners. "It definitely was enticing, but like I told them, it's nice to be home. I mean, to be able to pitch at home is always a great thing." http://tinyurl.com/68l6qp
PetCo is also probably about the only place Tomko can pitch effectively these days anyway. Even when he's going well, he'll give up the long ball (and then another) and all is ruined. Anyway, yes, consider yourself lucky, disaster avoided.
3 and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why brett tomko is brett tomko. because he was dumb enough to even consider the yankees, even for a split second.
hmmmm ... let's see ... playing at home in the major league's best pitcher's park ... or getting thrown to the wolves of the AL East ... which is likely to produce the results that would lead to future employement???
Glad we don't have him, but Brett Tomko has a 91 ERA+ and got $3m. I guess that aint bad as a #5. Just shows Cashman was looking for cheap, not to terrible SP backup. We cuss Cashman, but there are a lot of deals he tried we don't know about.
By the way, lots of pissing and moaning about Snacks, but can we give some kudos to Cashman on this one? Snacks has already earned his pay. 2 or 3 extra wins might be the difference between making the PS or not.
Kudos for Cashman?
7 i don't know if kudos are in order for cashman for that. i give cashman kudos for not panicking, for sticking to his long-term plan, and for realizing that his number 1 concern right now is to buy time without imploding ... every day that goes by brings us closer to kennedy, aceves, horne, hughes and wang ... probably in roughly that order ... i think i like our chances of cobbling together an at least average back-of-the-rotation performance out of some combination of those guys
UPCOMING ROTATION
Monday vs. Texas: Mike Mussina
Tuesday vs. Texas: Joba Chamberlain
Wednesday vs. Texas: Sidney Ponson
Thursday vs. Boston: Andy Pettitte
Friday vs. Boston: Darrell Rasner
Saturday vs. Boston: Mike Mussina
Sunday vs. Boston: Joba Chamberlain
My entry in the Banterites Go to the Stadium series is for Tuesday, July 8. Guess who is likely to pitch? Sidney Ponson. How did I get so lucky??? Maybe, just maybe they'll skip him because of the off-day on Monday (July 7)? Please?
Can someone near the Bronx please update us on the weather. I DON'T WANT TO WATCH CHICAGO! ARG!!!!!!!!!
9 Of all the junk out there, Ponson was probably the best. He was DFA'ed. Does that mean we got him cheap, or did we absorb his salary?
I don't believe Wang will be back. the '10 weeks' was the absolutely most optimistic estimate. There are many things that could make it more then 10 weeks. Will just have to cross our fingers.
I WISH Alex/Cliff would post some simply polls, so we could see how the Banterites (Banterers?, Banterees?) vote on certain simply issues.
Such as:
1) Tex: yes or no
2) A Stud starting pitcher (CC, Bedard, Haren, etc): (yes or WHO) or no
3) If Giambi finishes the year HEALTHY and with an OPS of .900 or better, is he worth ONE year at $17m: yes or no
4) Do we need an impact OFer in either 2009 or 2010 (and Abreu doesn't count): yes or no?
5) What do we need to go out and get in 2009/2010, Offense or Pitching?
Yeah, I know. One good game doesn't mean anything. We seem to have had a lot of pitchers with "beginner's luck." They look good for a game or two, then implode. But Ponson was pitching very well for Texas. They dumped him for other reasons.
23 We got him cheap. We signed him to a minor league contract. I don't think he was making very much to begin with. Texas had signed him a minor league deal, too.
Ponson's peripherals aren't great but all his numbers are significantly better AWAY from Texas. His AWAY ERA was 3.00... pretty damn good. What impressed me most last night, was how cool he was with men on base, especially bases loaded. Like Andy, he has a high WHIP but seems to 'turn it on' with men on base.
The ump's zone is tight, but there was no reason for him to walk Easley. He kep throwing pitches down in the dirt. He needs to go after guys like he did to Beltran now.
Ken Rosenthal: Pedro tipped his pitches last night, widening his glove while adjusting his grip for the changeup. Jeter and Abreu, especially, took advantage.
Reminds me of what Willie Mays said about Koufax, asked about tipped pitches: "I knew exactly what was coming, every time, and I still couldn't hit it."
41 Not that I didn't believe you, but I was bored, so I looked it up. Pettitte threw in four interleague games, and gave up four homers, to Chris Duffy (inside the park), Xavier Nady, Matt Holliday, and Endy Chavez. None of them were to the #8 hitter.
The #8 hitters were:
Carlos Gomez (0 for 3)
Stephen Drew (1 for 3, single)
Jack Wilson (2 for 3, 2 singles, walk)
Yorvit Torrealba (1 for 3, single)
45 oyf if you want a poll that will stir up a lot of crap - ask: if matsui is out for an extended period of time should the yanks sign bonds?
that's one that a smartar person can answer :}
53 If you combine his lucky hits/bases loaded groundouts with the no-doubt-about it homer, I think it averages out to a couple of line-drive singles, no?
59 But Beltran correctly threw into third, not home. A-Rod may have made it, but it would have been the third out... and there's a danger that Abreu doesn't score before A-Rod is tagged out, discounting the run.
Some baseball adages are antiquated, but "don't make the first or third out at third base" isn't one of them.
60 Why is it too late now? Once the Yankees go back to playing only American League teams, isn't Bonds an upgrade over the defensive replacement for whoever is the DH that day? Betemit, or Christian?
Bonds' agent says he offered minimum salary and was turned down. Even if that's not true... it certainly is now- Bonds can be had for minimum salary. He's still one of the best hitters in baseball, and would immediately improve the lineup. I'd say it's a no-brainer. As a fan of Giambi's, it can't be the steroids that bother you, right?
McCarver said that they should have started Joba from Day #1 or just left him in the pen. Do these iditots NOT understand that he's not ready to pitch 200 innings yet? If he'd been a starter in April the Yankees would be forced to choose between shutting Joba down in August or making him an appointment with a shoulder surgeon. I fucking hate Tim McCarver.
66 And trading for Sabathia. Sure, he improves the Yankees, but at what cost? The early rumors were that the asking price was Cano and Chamberlain. I think not.
Why would the Indians consider a package surrounding Melky, Hughes, and Kennedy? They have the best offensive CF in the game, and they have a number of young pitchers who've already proven themselves in the majors (TINSTAAPP). They clearly don't want someone not making the minimum. What would be a package acceptable to the Indians?
68 if only deion sanders had beat the living crap out of him when he had the chance. mccarver's stupidity knows no bounds. you would have had to take joba out to dinner after dr. andrews fixed his shoulder.
65 BASTARD!
No, I would love Bonds, but realisitically, how long would he take to get into shape. He hasn't played in 7 months. A 6 week ST brings us to middle August. It's still worth considering, but I just wish it was done earlier.
While I don't like his steroid use, he is a great player with or without. With his legal problems and better testing, he may have been off PEDS for years... who knows. I think he would be a great influence on Melky and Cano... his patience and ability to read pitches.
MANY players have done steroids. It is only Bonds' accomplishments that have put him in the spotlight.
68 McCarver is an idiot, but now so is Buck, I guess from sitting next to him so long. How come these guys are SO ignorant about Joba's situation.
As it turns out, I think the 'Joba Transition' happened perfectly. I think Cashman's plan has worked well, but Phil, IPK and Latroy haven't cooperated.
Actually, let's just count the game as a 2-1 win now and rain out the rest....it would make up for the way we were treated by the Pittsburgh Welfare Queens.
97 Serious Consideration. Did you know that I'm not the only person that puts posts up there? There's me, my friend Call Me Ishmael and Macedonia (so far), plus a few that have yet to introduce themselves... >;)
I bet the put the tarp on now. They wanted to help Santana get through 6 and force us to use other pitchers for 4 innings. This will be a LONG rain delay.
109 Dude, they made sure that Johan gets to pitch in the 6th. Now here comes the fucking tarp so we've seen the last of Andy anyway. (Frankly, I'd rather have the tarp than have our players get hurt sliding around out there). But they really should just revert back to the 5th and call it a game now.
So by waiting for the middle of the sixth instead of calling out the tarps after the fifth assures that the game won't be suspended. But it looks like the rain will passing through fairly quickly.
118 Maybe you're right- I guess they don't really have suspended games anymore. If the delay lasts forever I guess they'd call it and nullify the sixth inning. But then we'd all have to remember Cano's excellent at bat the next time someone complains about him.... ;-)
117118 I am really unclear on all the rules about rainouts, suspended games, complete games after 5, etc. etc. I remember back in 1978 the Yanks made a big rally to take a lead against Baltimore and then had all the runs taken of the board and the O's were given the game. It was pure bullshit.
I believe it is suspended IF it is a tie game after a full inning of play. We were leading after 5, 2-1. If the game is called, I'm not sure if the stats from the top of the 6th count, and I believe the final score would be 2-1. William? Is this correct?
121 that 1978 orioles game somehow reminded me of when the NWA or WWF would award a title for some made up reason. Anyway, that's what it smelled like that day -- like Jim McMahon or Jim Crockett personally appeared to help out the O's.
OR.. if the VISITING Team was behind after a full inning, then takes a lead in the top of an inning, and then the game is called before the Home team has a chance to bat in the bottom of the inning.
125 That's what I think, too. Remember the Orioles game last year? We had a big lead. We had to finish it later in the season. We squeaked out the victory.
128 Maybe we're thinking of different games.
The one I'm thinking of was suspended. We had to finish it before another regular game against the O's. We didn't play the finish well but held on to win.
121 I strongly believe that is correct. 125 What changed are games that are tied after a full inning. If the Yankees and Mets were tied 1-1 after the fifth, this game would be suspended with the Yankees leading 2-1. Because they already had the lead entering the sixth, it is an official outcome.
Yep, I just read through that rule too. You're right, the change doesn't effect a situation in which you already have a regulation game and the home team leads, or the visiting team led at the end of the last full inning.
130 Nope.. same game. Baltimore was ahead after 7. We took a 3(?) run lead in the top of the eigth and then the rain came. The game was suspended as per 134 . Later in the year, we played the bottom of the eight and the 9th, and barely won.
And Jason! With the leather!
Gotta luv the Big Lug!
151 yeah that could have been a lot worse - since we were playing the "other than" game last night - but if andy having to come back out is not a huge indictment on the state of the pen right now (+ of course rain and doubleheaders), i don't know what is
155 yeah, but think about it this way though. Ohlendorf ate some innings yesterday and is no longer on the team, Latroy ate innings yesterday and probably won't be on the team anymore. Ponson and Andy ate 6 apiece and we haven't even pitched Mo, plus we've got a fresh Robertson. So, Girardi's done okay.
This is setting up as a Veras in the 7th and Farns in the 8th bridge. If Pettitte was ok to come back after the delay, there was no reason to try and squeeze at least the 7th from him. You can't feel confident about having to get the 7th and 8th from the bullpen in a one run game.
162 I totally agree. If they had Pettitte pitch two innings, then okay, it's debatable. Then Mo for a two-inning save. But this way it really is hard to fathom.
Ah, no more Feliciano. Billy Wagner pitched an inning yesterday (a very strange move indeed), so maybe we still have a decent shot at an insurance run? (Assuming Veras finishes his job here.)
164 Or even Pettitte for two innings and then Veras to start the 8th. Any plan designed to have Farnsworth face the best hitters in a one-run game I instantly dislike.
I'm taking my life in my hands saying so, but I'm not too unhappy about Farns against the heart of the order. My feeling about Farnsworth is it practically doesn't matter who he's facing. He can walk anyone; he can strike out anyone.
Of course, there's that home run thing, but let's not think about that.
I wish we had Bronx Banter in 1978. Think about what we would have said about that team with the horrible beginning, elimination of Billy, Bob Lemon's hiring, the comeback, the Massacre, losing to Cleveland on the last day of the year, winning the playoff, the Royals series and trailing the Dodgers 2-0 with Welch K'ing Reggie only to have Gator, Nettles's D and Reggie's Hip save us...."DFA Beattie...DFA Clay!!!"
Just thinking out loud while nervously watching kyle.....Good catch Johnny....
210 My buddy told me about an AD who works with Spike Lee; they were shooting on location at one place and the Art Dept. was prepping the next location, in a really bad part of Brooklyn. The following conversation took place over open walkie:
ART: "911, we've got a situation over here!"
AD: "What's going on?"
ART: "We're in the midst of a shootout over here!"
AD: "Is anyone hurt, are you guys okay?"
ART: "Yes, we're ducking inside a car right now."
AD: "Well keep ducking... ROLL SOUND! ROLL CAMERA!!"
Per Pete Abe: "Ian Kennedy's line from today's game between the Single-A Tampa Yankees and Palm Beach Cardinals in Jupiter, Fla.: 5 2 0 0 1 4. 74 pitches/47 strikes."
2 more starts from Ponson, All Star Break, and then IPK?
I am so glad this game got to Mo', I really don't understand Girardi's logic with Farnswroth.
I hope the Yanks are trying to trade him, I really, really hope that's the reason they keep running that guy out there. I can't sit still the minute he steps on the mound.
234 If Ponson's "found himself" I can live with him as #5 -- after all we had 2 years of Jaret Wright. I am intrigued by Ponson's wednesday start against Texas.
262 I like pipes at home, when alone. But when with a crew and we are at someone's house, or mine, there isn't anything better than cracking a dutch and just talking bs and blazing.
Damn, that was a great win. The Pettitte pick-off, the Melky catch to rob Wright, scratching the runs on outs.
And another Mo gem to cap it off. Just about perfect.
264 maybe when interleague ends.
in a way the good thing about the wc challenge being with them instead of another division is the yanks can make up a lot of ground by taking 2 of 3 from them twice - obviously they are good, but in joba, pettitte, and moose games no reason the yanks shouldn't win a good number of those starts and hope for the best in the other 2 starters games
"It came down to here and—people will think I'm crazy—the Yankees," Tomko said before the Padres played the Seattle Mariners. "It definitely was enticing, but like I told them, it's nice to be home. I mean, to be able to pitch at home is always a great thing." http://tinyurl.com/68l6qp
Phew! That was close.
hmmmm ... let's see ... playing at home in the major league's best pitcher's park ... or getting thrown to the wolves of the AL East ... which is likely to produce the results that would lead to future employement???
such a tough choice!
Kudos for Cashman?
he confirms the robertson call-up as well - and kei is back to scranton
andy phillips is getting the start in lf
anyone think pettitte can get a grand slam off santana?
TV Guide says on Fox, but Fox is showing the Chicago game.
Monday vs. Texas: Mike Mussina
Tuesday vs. Texas: Joba Chamberlain
Wednesday vs. Texas: Sidney Ponson
Thursday vs. Boston: Andy Pettitte
Friday vs. Boston: Darrell Rasner
Saturday vs. Boston: Mike Mussina
Sunday vs. Boston: Joba Chamberlain
My entry in the Banterites Go to the Stadium series is for Tuesday, July 8. Guess who is likely to pitch? Sidney Ponson. How did I get so lucky??? Maybe, just maybe they'll skip him because of the off-day on Monday (July 7)? Please?
9 Of all the junk out there, Ponson was probably the best. He was DFA'ed. Does that mean we got him cheap, or did we absorb his salary?
I don't believe Wang will be back. the '10 weeks' was the absolutely most optimistic estimate. There are many things that could make it more then 10 weeks. Will just have to cross our fingers.
I WISH Alex/Cliff would post some simply polls, so we could see how the Banterites (Banterers?, Banterees?) vote on certain simply issues.
Such as:
1) Tex: yes or no
2) A Stud starting pitcher (CC, Bedard, Haren, etc): (yes or WHO) or no
3) If Giambi finishes the year HEALTHY and with an OPS of .900 or better, is he worth ONE year at $17m: yes or no
4) Do we need an impact OFer in either 2009 or 2010 (and Abreu doesn't count): yes or no?
5) What do we need to go out and get in 2009/2010, Offense or Pitching?
GAME ON!
Yeah, I know. One good game doesn't mean anything. We seem to have had a lot of pitchers with "beginner's luck." They look good for a game or two, then implode. But Ponson was pitching very well for Texas. They dumped him for other reasons.
Reminds me of what Willie Mays said about Koufax, asked about tipped pitches: "I knew exactly what was coming, every time, and I still couldn't hit it."
The #8 hitters were:
Carlos Gomez (0 for 3)
Stephen Drew (1 for 3, single)
Jack Wilson (2 for 3, 2 singles, walk)
Yorvit Torrealba (1 for 3, single)
Perhaps you were thinking of someone else?
i didn't think it was possible but mccarver is getting even dumber.
that's one that a smartar person can answer :}
Shut em down, Andy!
http://tinyurl.com/6jv5zd
Hurry up and get through five!
Jetes looking at 1st base instead of his glove on that one.
Some baseball adages are antiquated, but "don't make the first or third out at third base" isn't one of them.
Bonds' agent says he offered minimum salary and was turned down. Even if that's not true... it certainly is now- Bonds can be had for minimum salary. He's still one of the best hitters in baseball, and would immediately improve the lineup. I'd say it's a no-brainer. As a fan of Giambi's, it can't be the steroids that bother you, right?
http://play.wordracer.com
:-)
i hope they get 5 innings in - it looks like it is raining in queens
Why would the Indians consider a package surrounding Melky, Hughes, and Kennedy? They have the best offensive CF in the game, and they have a number of young pitchers who've already proven themselves in the majors (TINSTAAPP). They clearly don't want someone not making the minimum. What would be a package acceptable to the Indians?
C'mon Andy and get through the 5th....
No, I would love Bonds, but realisitically, how long would he take to get into shape. He hasn't played in 7 months. A 6 week ST brings us to middle August. It's still worth considering, but I just wish it was done earlier.
While I don't like his steroid use, he is a great player with or without. With his legal problems and better testing, he may have been off PEDS for years... who knows. I think he would be a great influence on Melky and Cano... his patience and ability to read pitches.
MANY players have done steroids. It is only Bonds' accomplishments that have put him in the spotlight.
68 McCarver is an idiot, but now so is Buck, I guess from sitting next to him so long. How come these guys are SO ignorant about Joba's situation.
As it turns out, I think the 'Joba Transition' happened perfectly. I think Cashman's plan has worked well, but Phil, IPK and Latroy haven't cooperated.
Ouch, I thought this was going to be an easy inning, now we see Wright with two men on. Damn.
I love Andy.
Crap! We need many pitches this inning. That's 90.
Actually, let's just count the game as a 2-1 win now and rain out the rest....it would make up for the way we were treated by the Pittsburgh Welfare Queens.
'That's a baaaaaalk, that's a baaaaalk, that's a balk!" >;)
http://seriousconsideration.blogspot.com/
I read your eulogy (of sorts) for George Carlin, very nice angle. But no, I didn't know other people posted there!
Now, who knows about the Immaculate Inning? ;-)
Well, at least Fox is putting on another good game!
I hope neither of them are lurking around Shea.
Didn't that happen to us las year in the 8th?
The one I'm thinking of was suspended. We had to finish it before another regular game against the O's. We didn't play the finish well but held on to win.
125 What changed are games that are tied after a full inning. If the Yankees and Mets were tied 1-1 after the fifth, this game would be suspended with the Yankees leading 2-1. Because they already had the lead entering the sixth, it is an official outcome.
Okay, I'll go browse the rules for a while.
1) The game is tied after five innings.
2) The visiting team has taken a lead in an uncompleted inning.
mehmattski.blogspot.com
Hm. Poor Risk Management???
THE GREAT UNKNOWN.
I'll take my chances with Andy, Veras and Mo.
By the way, I love that Mets reliever Feliciano. First he was a blind singer and now a pitcher. Tremendous story.
And Jason! With the leather!
Gotta luv the Big Lug!
165 "Mysterious typhoid epidemic ravages Queens..."
Girardi is looking a little smarter.
I could see letting Veras pitch to Easley, but then go to Mo for the heart of the order.
Of course, there's that home run thing, but let's not think about that.
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188 Yes. Or, Mo for two innings, I'd say.
Just thinking out loud while nervously watching kyle.....Good catch Johnny....
Way to go Johnny!
JD! JD! Thank you Matsui for not being there.
One scary fly ball
I can't watch Beltran bat. It's going to be scary.
Kyle is King.
and that giambi and snacks invited beltran to hang out last night.
So now I think I'll pour the bourbon!
ART: "911, we've got a situation over here!"
AD: "What's going on?"
ART: "We're in the midst of a shootout over here!"
AD: "Is anyone hurt, are you guys okay?"
ART: "Yes, we're ducking inside a car right now."
AD: "Well keep ducking... ROLL SOUND! ROLL CAMERA!!"
...that's the kinda calm I've been. >;)
2 more starts from Ponson, All Star Break, and then IPK?
Big sip of bourbon, and we go to Mo.
I hope the Yanks are trying to trade him, I really, really hope that's the reason they keep running that guy out there. I can't sit still the minute he steps on the mound.
Let's go Mo!!!
Anyway, I'll happily pour a few to toast that K!
(yeah-yeah-yeah, just pass the brown liquor...) >;)
Fuck da Muts...Fuck da Muts....
Love that man.
NICE FUGGIN WIN, GUYS!
Also, how sweet is it that Reyes got picked off there?
Pitch to the Mets, all they get's zeroes!
And another Mo gem to cap it off. Just about perfect.
in a way the good thing about the wc challenge being with them instead of another division is the yanks can make up a lot of ground by taking 2 of 3 from them twice - obviously they are good, but in joba, pettitte, and moose games no reason the yanks shouldn't win a good number of those starts and hope for the best in the other 2 starters games
More beautiful things from Mr. Mo.
fifth entry down, under I-words. More fitting than you know, under the circumstances >;)
My God.
Did you people see that called strike three to Nixon?
I mean, what is there to say, really?
I watched the pitch, I saw it hit the corner, I saw the umpire raise his arm and I just literally sat in awe.
I mean what a pitch.
It just never gets old.
I've seen it a thousand times and it never gets old
And the way he just ate up Delgado, too.
But frankly, my favorite is the called strike three on the outside corner to lefties.
It's sublimely unfair.
Must have been beautiful.
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