Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Southpaw Special
2008-06-28 11:01
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

It is hot and hazy, muggy and awful in New York today. A late afternoon start pits Andy Pettitte against Johan Santana. Promises to be a good one.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

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2008-06-28 11:09:05
1.   cult of basebaal
poster over at RAB says that Robertson was called up ... trying to track down details, nothing from petey, yet
2008-06-28 11:12:14
2.   cult of basebaal
ah ... Chad Jennings has the post with the callup, though there's no news on who got sent down/DFA'd ... i'll make the guess that it was Iggy, though Hawkins has to have a bullseye on his back as well
2008-06-28 11:47:15
3.   3rd gen yankee fan
I dunno if you guys talked about this yet, but we narrowly missed signing Brett Tomko.

"It came down to here and—people will think I'm crazy—the Yankees," Tomko said before the Padres played the Seattle Mariners. "It definitely was enticing, but like I told them, it's nice to be home. I mean, to be able to pitch at home is always a great thing."

Phew! That was close.

2008-06-28 11:55:16
4.   underdog
PetCo is also probably about the only place Tomko can pitch effectively these days anyway. Even when he's going well, he'll give up the long ball (and then another) and all is ruined. Anyway, yes, consider yourself lucky, disaster avoided.
2008-06-28 11:56:09
5.   cult of basebaal
3 and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why brett tomko is brett tomko. because he was dumb enough to even consider the yankees, even for a split second.

hmmmm ... let's see ... playing at home in the major league's best pitcher's park ... or getting thrown to the wolves of the AL East ... which is likely to produce the results that would lead to future employement???

such a tough choice!

2008-06-28 12:24:30
6.   OldYanksFan
Glad we don't have him, but Brett Tomko has a 91 ERA+ and got $3m. I guess that aint bad as a #5. Just shows Cashman was looking for cheap, not to terrible SP backup. We cuss Cashman, but there are a lot of deals he tried we don't know about.
2008-06-28 12:26:14
7.   OldYanksFan
By the way, lots of pissing and moaning about Snacks, but can we give some kudos to Cashman on this one? Snacks has already earned his pay. 2 or 3 extra wins might be the difference between making the PS or not.
Kudos for Cashman?
2008-06-28 12:42:02
8.   ms october
1 petey's back in business, guess he had a rough night out with ponson -
he confirms the robertson call-up as well - and kei is back to scranton

andy phillips is getting the start in lf

anyone think pettitte can get a grand slam off santana?

2008-06-28 12:47:07
9.   cult of basebaal
7 i don't know if kudos are in order for cashman for that. i give cashman kudos for not panicking, for sticking to his long-term plan, and for realizing that his number 1 concern right now is to buy time without imploding ... every day that goes by brings us closer to kennedy, aceves, horne, hughes and wang ... probably in roughly that order ... i think i like our chances of cobbling together an at least average back-of-the-rotation performance out of some combination of those guys
2008-06-28 12:51:47
10.   randym77
Okay, where's the game?

TV Guide says on Fox, but Fox is showing the Chicago game.

2008-06-28 12:56:38
11.   Eirias
10 My question exactly. As fun as it is seeing Javier Vasquez pitch fine for all teams ≠ Yankees, I want the Yanks game.
2008-06-28 12:56:45
12.   randym77
Oh. Rain delay. :-P
2008-06-28 12:56:57
13.   yankeemonkey
10 Rain delay
2008-06-28 12:58:12
14.   tommyl
Sunny in Manhattan. What gives?
2008-06-28 12:59:59
15.   yankeemonkey
It was pouring just a few minutes ago here on UWS.
2008-06-28 13:00:18
16.   Eirias
Rain? Seriously? It lasted about 30 seconds by me. The heat has already evaporated the water.
2008-06-28 13:01:07
17.   mehmattski
Monday vs. Texas: Mike Mussina
Tuesday vs. Texas: Joba Chamberlain
Wednesday vs. Texas: Sidney Ponson
Thursday vs. Boston: Andy Pettitte
Friday vs. Boston: Darrell Rasner
Saturday vs. Boston: Mike Mussina
Sunday vs. Boston: Joba Chamberlain

My entry in the Banterites Go to the Stadium series is for Tuesday, July 8. Guess who is likely to pitch? Sidney Ponson. How did I get so lucky??? Maybe, just maybe they'll skip him because of the off-day on Monday (July 7)? Please?

2008-06-28 13:03:12
18.   tommyl
17 Damnit for flipping the rotation. I have tickets to Saturday's game. I'd love to see Joba start.
2008-06-28 13:03:51
19.   Eirias
Per Abraham, they are taking the tarp off. It has yet to rain.
2008-06-28 13:05:57
20.   mehmattski
Fox just reported a 4:20 start time. (Heh heh, 4:20. Heh heh.)
2008-06-28 13:07:42
21.   Eirias
19 And by "taking the tarp off," I mean "preparing to take the tarp off."
2008-06-28 13:12:59
22.   Jeb
20 got a light?
2008-06-28 13:14:26
23.   OldYanksFan
Can someone near the Bronx please update us on the weather. I DON'T WANT TO WATCH CHICAGO! ARG!!!!!!!!!

9 Of all the junk out there, Ponson was probably the best. He was DFA'ed. Does that mean we got him cheap, or did we absorb his salary?

I don't believe Wang will be back. the '10 weeks' was the absolutely most optimistic estimate. There are many things that could make it more then 10 weeks. Will just have to cross our fingers.

I WISH Alex/Cliff would post some simply polls, so we could see how the Banterites (Banterers?, Banterees?) vote on certain simply issues.

Such as:
1) Tex: yes or no
2) A Stud starting pitcher (CC, Bedard, Haren, etc): (yes or WHO) or no
3) If Giambi finishes the year HEALTHY and with an OPS of .900 or better, is he worth ONE year at $17m: yes or no
4) Do we need an impact OFer in either 2009 or 2010 (and Abreu doesn't count): yes or no?
5) What do we need to go out and get in 2009/2010, Offense or Pitching?


2008-06-28 13:15:07
24.   randym77
Hey, maybe Ponson will be good.

Yeah, I know. One good game doesn't mean anything. We seem to have had a lot of pitchers with "beginner's luck." They look good for a game or two, then implode. But Ponson was pitching very well for Texas. They dumped him for other reasons.

2008-06-28 13:18:44
25.   randym77
23 We got him cheap. We signed him to a minor league contract. I don't think he was making very much to begin with. Texas had signed him a minor league deal, too.
2008-06-28 13:19:53
26.   Jeb
23 wouldn't the Queens weather be more appropriate than the Bronx weather?
2008-06-28 13:21:30
27.   OldYanksFan
Ponson's peripherals aren't great but all his numbers are significantly better AWAY from Texas. His AWAY ERA was 3.00... pretty damn good. What impressed me most last night, was how cool he was with men on base, especially bases loaded. Like Andy, he has a high WHIP but seems to 'turn it on' with men on base.
2008-06-28 13:22:22
28.   mehmattski
Having Robertson do the lineups was a cute touch. That may be the most credit I give to Fox all night.
2008-06-28 13:22:56
29.   OldYanksFan
26 I'm in NH. Queens weather? Who cares if it's raining in England.
2008-06-28 13:27:03
30.   mehmattski
Is it raining now in Queens? It looked kind of like it from one of the camera angles.
2008-06-28 13:32:12
31.   Eirias
Houston, we have baseball.
2008-06-28 13:36:00
32.   mehmattski
Gameday is ahead of my live Fox feed. I checked, my DVR is not active. I feel like I'm seeing the future!
2008-06-28 13:38:03
33.   mehmattski
Pettitte's going to have a long night if he keeps not getting that outside strike call.
2008-06-28 13:39:31
34.   Yankees Brasil
The ump's zone is tight, but there was no reason for him to walk Easley. He kep throwing pitches down in the dirt. He needs to go after guys like he did to Beltran now.
2008-06-28 13:42:57
35.   mehmattski
That's 20 straight scoreless innings from Pettitte.
2008-06-28 13:44:55
36.   mehmattski
Ken Rosenthal: Pedro tipped his pitches last night, widening his glove while adjusting his grip for the changeup. Jeter and Abreu, especially, took advantage.

Reminds me of what Willie Mays said about Koufax, asked about tipped pitches: "I knew exactly what was coming, every time, and I still couldn't hit it."

2008-06-28 13:47:59
37.   tommyl
C'mon guys, its not like its Johan Santana pitching against us...oh wait...crap.
2008-06-28 13:54:12
38.   Eirias
35 Jinx.
2008-06-28 13:54:40
39.   mehmattski
There goes that streak. You don't throw a pitch there with the pitcher on deck.
2008-06-28 13:59:47
40.   mehmattski
Hey, Melky saw six pitches at least.
2008-06-28 13:59:52
41.   williamnyy23
39 Pettitte did something similar on two occasions last year. Being an ex-Nl'er, you'd think he'd better be able to manage a NL lineup.
2008-06-28 14:05:13
42.   OldYanksFan
OK, maybe Alex shouldn't post a poll.
2008-06-28 14:11:33
43.   mehmattski
41 Not that I didn't believe you, but I was bored, so I looked it up. Pettitte threw in four interleague games, and gave up four homers, to Chris Duffy (inside the park), Xavier Nady, Matt Holliday, and Endy Chavez. None of them were to the #8 hitter.

The #8 hitters were:
Carlos Gomez (0 for 3)
Stephen Drew (1 for 3, single)
Jack Wilson (2 for 3, 2 singles, walk)
Yorvit Torrealba (1 for 3, single)

Perhaps you were thinking of someone else?

2008-06-28 14:13:43
44.   ms october
melky had some nice plays that inning.

i didn't think it was possible but mccarver is getting even dumber.

2008-06-28 14:16:04
45.   OldYanksFan
44 Funy... I'v gottin smartar with age.
2008-06-28 14:17:44
46.   mehmattski
So, I guess Jeter only takes pitches from pitchers who are deadly accurate, and swings at pitches from wild pitchers. Right?
2008-06-28 14:20:46
47.   ms october
45 oyf if you want a poll that will stir up a lot of crap - ask: if matsui is out for an extended period of time should the yanks sign bonds?
that's one that a smartar person can answer :}
2008-06-28 14:23:42
48.   mehmattski
So, when it comes to the bases loaded and nobody out, is Santana more like Pedro or Ponson?
2008-06-28 14:25:28
49.   mehmattski
The weak groundout with the bases loaded practice is definitely paying off in this series.
2008-06-28 14:32:26
50.   mehmattski
Cue OYF grumbling about Cano swinging at the first pitch.
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2008-06-28 14:32:50
51.   randym77
Uh, boy. Better to be lucky than good...
2008-06-28 14:33:01
52.   nick
the bases-loaded weak groundout is the best play in baseball!
2008-06-28 14:33:21
53.   cult of basebaal
50 if not him, then me ... robbie's living the lucky life at shea this weekend
2008-06-28 14:34:05
54.   mehmattski
Santana leaves the field chirping at the ump about the strike zone. He's thrown 75 pitches through 4 innings. Me like.

Shut em down, Andy!

2008-06-28 14:34:15
55.   nick
Melky not worthy of respect with Pettitte on deck...sigh
2008-06-28 14:35:07
56.   mehmattski
53 If you combine his lucky hits/bases loaded groundouts with the no-doubt-about it homer, I think it averages out to a couple of line-drive singles, no?
2008-06-28 14:37:11
57.   mehmattski
Storm front's a-comin!

Hurry up and get through five!

2008-06-28 14:37:50
58.   OldYanksFan
If I were managing, Cano would get the take sign until he gets a strike aboyt 75% of the time. Just to get him used to the idea.
2008-06-28 14:38:11
59.   cult of basebaal
shouldn't we have had 3 that inning, jorge's sac fly looked plenty deep enough to allow arod to move over to 3rd ...
2008-06-28 14:39:42
60.   OldYanksFan
47 I was all for Bonds in April... instead of Shelly, but it's kinda late now.

Jetes looking at 1st base instead of his glove on that one.

2008-06-28 14:39:59
61.   mehmattski
59 But Beltran correctly threw into third, not home. A-Rod may have made it, but it would have been the third out... and there's a danger that Abreu doesn't score before A-Rod is tagged out, discounting the run.

Some baseball adages are antiquated, but "don't make the first or third out at third base" isn't one of them.

2008-06-28 14:40:55
62.   OldYanksFan
59 You don't make the 3rd out at 3rd base.
2008-06-28 14:41:59
63.   OldYanksFan
61 What? Are you a touch typer?
2008-06-28 14:43:04
64.   mehmattski
60 Why is it too late now? Once the Yankees go back to playing only American League teams, isn't Bonds an upgrade over the defensive replacement for whoever is the DH that day? Betemit, or Christian?

Bonds' agent says he offered minimum salary and was turned down. Even if that's not true... it certainly is now- Bonds can be had for minimum salary. He's still one of the best hitters in baseball, and would immediately improve the lineup. I'd say it's a no-brainer. As a fan of Giambi's, it can't be the steroids that bother you, right?

2008-06-28 14:44:38
65.   mehmattski
63 Between 100 and 110 words per minute, says this game:


2008-06-28 14:44:42
66.   tommyl
Oh man, these idiots are saying Joba should be a reliever. Ugh.
2008-06-28 14:46:04
67.   ms october
64 i think so (to sign him), especially if matsui needs surgery

i hope they get 5 innings in - it looks like it is raining in queens

2008-06-28 14:46:19
68.   Jeb
McCarver said that they should have started Joba from Day #1 or just left him in the pen. Do these iditots NOT understand that he's not ready to pitch 200 innings yet? If he'd been a starter in April the Yankees would be forced to choose between shutting Joba down in August or making him an appointment with a shoulder surgeon. I fucking hate Tim McCarver.
2008-06-28 14:48:02
69.   mehmattski
66 And trading for Sabathia. Sure, he improves the Yankees, but at what cost? The early rumors were that the asking price was Cano and Chamberlain. I think not.

Why would the Indians consider a package surrounding Melky, Hughes, and Kennedy? They have the best offensive CF in the game, and they have a number of young pitchers who've already proven themselves in the majors (TINSTAAPP). They clearly don't want someone not making the minimum. What would be a package acceptable to the Indians?

2008-06-28 14:49:22
70.   mehmattski
Pitch more quickly Andy! I hear thunder!
2008-06-28 14:50:52
71.   ms october
68 if only deion sanders had beat the living crap out of him when he had the chance. mccarver's stupidity knows no bounds. you would have had to take joba out to dinner after dr. andrews fixed his shoulder.
2008-06-28 14:51:55
72.   mehmattski
The Mets play "Smooth" as Santana steps up. Very clever. If they had someone named Giels, would they play "Angels in the Centerfold"?
2008-06-28 14:52:39
73.   Jeb
71 they should keep Ponson from sitting too close to Joba just on general principle. Haha.

C'mon Andy and get through the 5th....

2008-06-28 14:53:06
74.   Eirias
Look at that range by Jeter there. Nice!
2008-06-28 14:54:00
75.   mehmattski
73 Actually wouldn't it be better for him to sit next to Ponson? Then, every bowl of chips and dip that passes by gets eaten before it gets to Joba...
2008-06-28 14:54:42
76.   cult of basebaal
73 i found myself thinking last night that Snacks looked like he could be Joba's older, world-weary, n'er-do-well brother
2008-06-28 14:55:01
77.   OldYanksFan
No, I would love Bonds, but realisitically, how long would he take to get into shape. He hasn't played in 7 months. A 6 week ST brings us to middle August. It's still worth considering, but I just wish it was done earlier.

While I don't like his steroid use, he is a great player with or without. With his legal problems and better testing, he may have been off PEDS for years... who knows. I think he would be a great influence on Melky and Cano... his patience and ability to read pitches.

MANY players have done steroids. It is only Bonds' accomplishments that have put him in the spotlight.

68 McCarver is an idiot, but now so is Buck, I guess from sitting next to him so long. How come these guys are SO ignorant about Joba's situation.

As it turns out, I think the 'Joba Transition' happened perfectly. I think Cashman's plan has worked well, but Phil, IPK and Latroy haven't cooperated.

2008-06-28 14:57:45
78.   RIYank
Hey all.
Ouch, I thought this was going to be an easy inning, now we see Wright with two men on. Damn.
2008-06-28 14:59:04
79.   RIYank
And it's an easy inning after all!
I love Andy.
2008-06-28 14:59:21
80.   OldYanksFan
2008-06-28 14:59:21
81.   mehmattski
Way to pay attention, Jose!
2008-06-28 14:59:41
82.   ms october
oh the golden god of pick-offs still has it
2008-06-28 15:00:15
83.   OldYanksFan
or beau-ti-ful. Either one.
2008-06-28 15:01:28
84.   OldYanksFan
When Andy turned around, I think he was shocked by how far Reyes was off the base. His face was like "Holy Shit! That dude's gonna be out!"
2008-06-28 15:02:20
85.   nick
ah, I love to see Reyes picked off....
2008-06-28 15:02:20
86.   mehmattski
Mmm I love pitcher's duels.
2008-06-28 15:03:17
87.   3rd gen yankee fan
I love when guys try to steal off Andy. I LOVE it.
2008-06-28 15:03:32
88.   OldYanksFan
Santana with 85 pitches to start the inning. Andy with 72.

Crap! We need many pitches this inning. That's 90.

2008-06-28 15:03:39
89.   cult of basebaal
86 i wish i could see this one, fox seems to be under the impression that LA really wanted to see the Cubs and White Sox this afternoon
2008-06-28 15:07:17
90.   mehmattski
That's 99 pitches for Santana. The most he's had this season is 116, which he's hit three times.
2008-06-28 15:07:23
91.   Jeb his pitch count up!!

Actually, let's just count the game as a 2-1 win now and rain out the would make up for the way we were treated by the Pittsburgh Welfare Queens.

2008-06-28 15:10:02
92.   mehmattski
Santana's a cheater!
2008-06-28 15:10:32
93.   RIYank
And there's another thing our pitcher does better than theirs...
2008-06-28 15:10:57
94.   Chyll Will
Hey guys, I'm here with my fellow poster at SC, "Call Me Ismael" watching the game...

'That's a baaaaaalk, that's a baaaaalk, that's a balk!" >;)

2008-06-28 15:11:34
95.   RIYank
Oh, good, Igawa is available, so now I'm not worried about a rain delay removing Andy from the game.
2008-06-28 15:12:19
96.   nick
Wasn't Iggy sent back down?
2008-06-28 15:12:39
97.   RIYank
Uh. 94 I'm obviously not up to speed today. Who is your fellow poster at SC? And what is SC?
2008-06-28 15:12:50
98.   mehmattski
95 Igawa is no longer with us. Sent down pre-game for David Robertson.
2008-06-28 15:13:05
99.   cult of basebaal
96 yes
2008-06-28 15:13:38
100.   RIYank
96 Maybe. I'm going by what Joe Buck says, which is generally a mistake.
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2008-06-28 15:13:54
101.   mehmattski
Make em Pay, Robbie!
2008-06-28 15:15:13
102.   mehmattski
97 He doesn't like posting his own link too often, so here it is:

2008-06-28 15:15:43
103.   Chyll Will
97 Serious Consideration. Did you know that I'm not the only person that puts posts up there? There's me, my friend Call Me Ishmael and Macedonia (so far), plus a few that have yet to introduce themselves... >;)
2008-06-28 15:16:01
104.   Jeb
continuing in this rain is horseshit.
2008-06-28 15:16:20
105.   RIYank
And Robbie makes them pay! Nice.
2008-06-28 15:16:45
106.   mehmattski
Yes! And he took two pitches! Doncha Know!
2008-06-28 15:17:09
107.   nick
Robby makes em pay!
2008-06-28 15:17:10
108.   cult of basebaal
The Ripper!
2008-06-28 15:17:14
109.   RIYank
104 Dude, their pitcher is done after this inning anyway -- you want our starter out too?? PLAY ON!
2008-06-28 15:17:26
110.   Chyll Will
102 Thanks for convincing Ish that other people besides the three of us read the blog >;)
2008-06-28 15:17:55
111.   Jeb
I bet the put the tarp on now. They wanted to help Santana get through 6 and force us to use other pitchers for 4 innings. This will be a LONG rain delay.
2008-06-28 15:18:02
112.   RIYank
Oh, duh. Of course.
I read your eulogy (of sorts) for George Carlin, very nice angle. But no, I didn't know other people posted there!
2008-06-28 15:18:27
113.   nick
Melky, Melky, Melky--anyone think a little employment-related pressure might be a good thing for the kid's focus?
2008-06-28 15:19:14
114.   mehmattski
110 I even left a comment last week! I probably don't show up in the page stats cause I use an RSS reader.

Now, who knows about the Immaculate Inning? ;-)

2008-06-28 15:20:22
115.   Jeb
109 Dude, they made sure that Johan gets to pitch in the 6th. Now here comes the fucking tarp so we've seen the last of Andy anyway. (Frankly, I'd rather have the tarp than have our players get hurt sliding around out there). But they really should just revert back to the 5th and call it a game now.
2008-06-28 15:20:52
116.   mehmattski
So by waiting for the middle of the sixth instead of calling out the tarps after the fifth assures that the game won't be suspended. But it looks like the rain will passing through fairly quickly.
2008-06-28 15:22:02
117.   RIYank
115 Yeah, good point, Jeb.
Well, at least Fox is putting on another good game!
2008-06-28 15:22:28
118.   williamnyy23
116 Why would it be suspended? It's an official game and the Yankees are leading.
2008-06-28 15:24:37
119.   mehmattski
118 Maybe you're right- I guess they don't really have suspended games anymore. If the delay lasts forever I guess they'd call it and nullify the sixth inning. But then we'd all have to remember Cano's excellent at bat the next time someone complains about him.... ;-)
2008-06-28 15:25:33
120.   Jeb
117 118 I am really unclear on all the rules about rainouts, suspended games, complete games after 5, etc. etc. I remember back in 1978 the Yanks made a big rally to take a lead against Baltimore and then had all the runs taken of the board and the O's were given the game. It was pure bullshit.
2008-06-28 15:27:20
121.   OldYanksFan
I believe it is suspended IF it is a tie game after a full inning of play. We were leading after 5, 2-1. If the game is called, I'm not sure if the stats from the top of the 6th count, and I believe the final score would be 2-1. William? Is this correct?
2008-06-28 15:27:22
122.   Jeb
121 that 1978 orioles game somehow reminded me of when the NWA or WWF would award a title for some made up reason. Anyway, that's what it smelled like that day -- like Jim McMahon or Jim Crockett personally appeared to help out the O's.

I hope neither of them are lurking around Shea.

2008-06-28 15:29:18
123.   OldYanksFan
OR.. if the VISITING Team was behind after a full inning, then takes a lead in the top of an inning, and then the game is called before the Home team has a chance to bat in the bottom of the inning.

Didn't that happen to us las year in the 8th?

2008-06-28 15:29:56
124.   mehmattski
Is anyone still watching the Fox feed? Did Kerry Wood just flip off the camera?
2008-06-28 15:31:34
125.   Gagne55
I think suspension rules changed over the offseason and now pretty much all incomplete games get suspended and completed later.
2008-06-28 15:34:23
126.   RIYank
125 That's what I think, too. Remember the Orioles game last year? We had a big lead. We had to finish it later in the season. We squeaked out the victory.
2008-06-28 15:34:33
127.   OldYanksFan
125 So you are saying NO games are considered final if they are rained out after 5? Doesn't sound right.
2008-06-28 15:36:01
128.   OldYanksFan
126 Yes... but weren't we behind at the end of the full inning, rally and take the lead in the top of the inning? and I stated in 123 ?
2008-06-28 15:37:28
129.   OldYanksFan
Man... beating Pedro AND Santana at Shea would be SWEET!
2008-06-28 15:38:57
130.   RIYank
128 Maybe we're thinking of different games.
The one I'm thinking of was suspended. We had to finish it before another regular game against the O's. We didn't play the finish well but held on to win.
2008-06-28 15:39:26
131.   williamnyy23
121 I strongly believe that is correct.
125 What changed are games that are tied after a full inning. If the Yankees and Mets were tied 1-1 after the fifth, this game would be suspended with the Yankees leading 2-1. Because they already had the lead entering the sixth, it is an official outcome.
2008-06-28 15:39:53
132.   RIYank
Oh, wait, I see what you mean. Maybe.
Okay, I'll go browse the rules for a while.
2008-06-28 15:43:38
133.   Gagne55
I know the rules changed in the offseason which increased the chance of suspensions occuring. The exact logistics I do not know.
2008-06-28 15:43:58
134.   williamnyy23
Section 4.12 states that a suspended game caused by weather only occurs if:

1) The game is tied after five innings.
2) The visiting team has taken a lead in an uncompleted inning.

2008-06-28 15:47:00
135.   RIYank
Yep, I just read through that rule too. You're right, the change doesn't effect a situation in which you already have a regulation game and the home team leads, or the visiting team led at the end of the last full inning.
2008-06-28 15:49:12
136.   mehmattski
By the way, Kerry Wood did flip off the camera. Pretty amusing:

2008-06-28 15:53:17
137.   Jeb
136 FCC fine coming for wood?
2008-06-28 15:54:16
138.   RIYank
Well, the tarp is coming off, so no issue about the suspension rule, etc.
2008-06-28 15:55:26
139.   williamnyy23
Bad break on the rain by the way. Pettitte was rolling, but not you likely need three innings from the non-Mo portion of the pen. Paging Mike Mussina?
2008-06-28 15:59:49
140.   mehmattski
137 I fowarded my pictures to Deadspin, they wrote back and said they're going to run them on Monday. So, maybe?
2008-06-28 16:01:19
141.   Chyll Will
136 ... the double deuce! >;)
2008-06-28 16:04:43
142.   Jeb
140 sweet I love deadspin and it's spin off sites. I'll miss Will Leitch.
2008-06-28 16:08:58
143.   mehmattski
Pettitte's staying in the game. Commence debate.
2008-06-28 16:09:05
144.   RIYank
Uh oh, Andy's back!

Hm. Poor Risk Management???

2008-06-28 16:09:39
145.   RIYank
Damn, seven seconds too slow.
2008-06-28 16:10:39
146.   mehmattski
145 See 65 . :)
2008-06-28 16:12:29
147.   mehmattski
Well, that ends that debate. It was a mistake to bring Pettitte back out.
2008-06-28 16:12:40
148.   RIYank
Ugh. David Wright doesn't care about a little pain, huh?
2008-06-28 16:13:32
149.   RIYank
146 Ohhhh. I didn't have a chance.
2008-06-28 16:14:12
150.   OldYanksFan
Well, it's Andy for the 6th and 7th or
I'll take my chances with Andy, Veras and Mo.
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2008-06-28 16:14:38
151.   RIYank
He looks pretty strong. Tell you what, if he gets through the sixth and seventh with no further damage, then it works out.
2008-06-28 16:15:26
152.   RIYank
150 And of course by 'Veras', you mean Kyle Farnsworth.
2008-06-28 16:15:53
153.   Jeb
somehow rain always fucks us.

By the way, I love that Mets reliever Feliciano. First he was a blind singer and now a pitcher. Tremendous story.

2008-06-28 16:17:13
154.   OldYanksFan
130 Nope.. same game. Baltimore was ahead after 7. We took a 3(?) run lead in the top of the eigth and then the rain came. The game was suspended as per 134 . Later in the year, we played the bottom of the eight and the 9th, and barely won.

And Jason! With the leather!
Gotta luv the Big Lug!

2008-06-28 16:19:44
155.   ms october
151 yeah that could have been a lot worse - since we were playing the "other than" game last night - but if andy having to come back out is not a huge indictment on the state of the pen right now (+ of course rain and doubleheaders), i don't know what is
2008-06-28 16:21:32
156.   williamnyy23
Bringing Pettitte back for only one inning is curious...pinch hitting Betemit as a right hander is absurd.
2008-06-28 16:21:44
157.   Jeb
155 yeah, but think about it this way though. Ohlendorf ate some innings yesterday and is no longer on the team, Latroy ate innings yesterday and probably won't be on the team anymore. Ponson and Andy ate 6 apiece and we haven't even pitched Mo, plus we've got a fresh Robertson. So, Girardi's done okay.
2008-06-28 16:23:17
158.   RIYank
Yeah, I don't get the pinch hit either.
2008-06-28 16:25:12
159.   Jeb
feliz navidad Pedro...
2008-06-28 16:25:29
160.   RIYank
So, who gets to face the bottom of the order? Not Farns, that would be nuts. He might walk them!
2008-06-28 16:26:47
161.   ms october
looks like veras - maybe for 2 then mo
2008-06-28 16:27:02
162.   williamnyy23
This is setting up as a Veras in the 7th and Farns in the 8th bridge. If Pettitte was ok to come back after the delay, there was no reason to try and squeeze at least the 7th from him. You can't feel confident about having to get the 7th and 8th from the bullpen in a one run game.
2008-06-28 16:27:25
163.   RIYank
I bet that happens a lot, bunch of guys in a Nashville studio suddenly break out spontaneously into a rendition of "Viva Viagra".
2008-06-28 16:28:28
164.   RIYank
162 I totally agree. If they had Pettitte pitch two innings, then okay, it's debatable. Then Mo for a two-inning save. But this way it really is hard to fathom.
2008-06-28 16:29:25
165.   ms october
i hope that kid who was essentially licking the water off the top of the dugout doesn't end up in elmhusrt hospital
2008-06-28 16:31:49
166.   RIYank
Ah, no more Feliciano. Billy Wagner pitched an inning yesterday (a very strange move indeed), so maybe we still have a decent shot at an insurance run? (Assuming Veras finishes his job here.)

165 "Mysterious typhoid epidemic ravages Queens..."

2008-06-28 16:34:29
167.   williamnyy23
Anderson's hit kind of was good for the Yankees because I wasn't looking forward to Reyes leading off against Farns.
2008-06-28 16:35:05
168.   RIYank
Girardi is looking a little smarter.
I could see letting Veras pitch to Easley, but then go to Mo for the heart of the order.
2008-06-28 16:35:31
169.   williamnyy23
164 Or even Pettitte for two innings and then Veras to start the 8th. Any plan designed to have Farnsworth face the best hitters in a one-run game I instantly dislike.
2008-06-28 16:36:37
170.   Alex Belth
As my wife so aptly put it..."Farmadooke don't make me puke!"
2008-06-28 16:38:36
171.   Alex Belth
Don't like Alex taking that second strike...
2008-06-28 16:38:51
172.   RIYank
I'm taking my life in my hands saying so, but I'm not too unhappy about Farns against the heart of the order. My feeling about Farnsworth is it practically doesn't matter who he's facing. He can walk anyone; he can strike out anyone.

Of course, there's that home run thing, but let's not think about that.

2008-06-28 16:39:32
173.   RIYank
Who's that third baseman?????
2008-06-28 16:39:54
174.   Alex Belth
Odd error. But A Rod was out.
2008-06-28 16:40:02
175.   RIYank
Ooooh, he did tag him. But the umpire's view was blocked.
2008-06-28 16:40:31
176.   Alex Belth
Not to jinx it but it was HUGE getting Reyes out of the way in the seventh don't you think?
2008-06-28 16:41:39
177.   Alex Belth
Man, he's got a good change. Giambi was WAAAY out in front of that 2-0 pitch. Luckily it went into the stands.
2008-06-28 16:42:02
178.   Alex Belth
Jeez, what a jump.
2008-06-28 16:42:27
179.   Alex Belth




2008-06-28 16:42:46
180.   Jeb
176 I was thinking the same thing. I also agreed with McCarver about Endy Chavez -- scary admission I realize.
2008-06-28 16:42:55
181.   RIYank
McCarver had a swollen bone after catching Sever! Man, that's gotta be painful.
2008-06-28 16:42:57
182.   Alex Belth
Wow, Sanchez just pulled a little El Tiante there.
2008-06-28 16:43:11
183.   RIYank
Seaver. Ugh. Not Sever.
2008-06-28 16:43:13
184.   Alex Belth
181, LOL
2008-06-28 16:44:32
185.   Alex Belth
the 1-1 pitch Jorge took...dag.
2008-06-28 16:45:18
186.   Alex Belth
Damn. 1 run leads Plus Farnsworth =Pass the Malox.
2008-06-28 16:45:42
187.   RIYank
185 Tough, you mean, not fat, right?
2008-06-28 16:45:51
188.   OldYanksFan
This is a game where it would be much smarter to pitch Mo in the 8th, and the 9th... (OMG)
2008-06-28 16:46:21
189.   ms october
172 alright riyank - your life is in your hands - ready?
2008-06-28 16:47:16
190.   ms october
188 i'd be okay with letting veras start it and bring mo in any sign of trouble
2008-06-28 16:47:19
191.   RIYank
189 I'm strangely calm.

188 Yes. Or, Mo for two innings, I'd say.

2008-06-28 16:48:08
192.   Chyll Will
181 Seaver, the new Sugar Ray Robinson...
2008-06-28 16:48:20
193.   Alex Belth
Huge out. Thank you, Mr. Easley.
2008-06-28 16:48:29
194.   RIYank
Whew. Got away with a cruddy pitch. Wright won't be so forgiving...
2008-06-28 16:48:30
195.   mehmattski
The Three-Toed Sloth!
2008-06-28 16:48:56
196.   Alex Belth
...Tie game?
2008-06-28 16:49:24
197.   nick
I wanted Rivera for Wright-just saying...
2008-06-28 16:49:54
198.   nick
six days off, Mo can throw 40 pitches...
2008-06-28 16:50:24
199.   Jeb
I wish we had Bronx Banter in 1978. Think about what we would have said about that team with the horrible beginning, elimination of Billy, Bob Lemon's hiring, the comeback, the Massacre, losing to Cleveland on the last day of the year, winning the playoff, the Royals series and trailing the Dodgers 2-0 with Welch K'ing Reggie only to have Gator, Nettles's D and Reggie's Hip save us...."DFA Beattie...DFA Clay!!!"

Just thinking out loud while nervously watching kyle.....Good catch Johnny....

2008-06-28 16:50:25
200.   Chyll Will
191 You'll get used to the strangeness, trust me...
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2008-06-28 16:50:26
201.   RIYank
Oh yeah!
2008-06-28 16:50:37
202.   Alex Belth
Anyone's heart jump on that one?

Way to go Johnny!

2008-06-28 16:50:54
203.   ms october
whew - nice ctach johnny!
2008-06-28 16:50:59
204.   OldYanksFan
Is it hard to figure out why Farns, WHO HAS STITCHES BETWEEN HIS FINGERS, has them taped together?

JD! JD! Thank you Matsui for not being there.

2008-06-28 16:51:01
205.   mehmattski
One loopy fly ball

One scary fly ball

I can't watch Beltran bat. It's going to be scary.

2008-06-28 16:51:13
206.   nick
jesus christ Kyle....
2008-06-28 16:51:24
207.   RIYank
Wow, that's a lot of brains on the mound! Although I guess there's a big minus for Farns.
2008-06-28 16:51:43
208.   Alex Belth
That's interesting, Molina AND Jorge going over to talk to Farns.
2008-06-28 16:51:51
209.   Jeb
Beltran looking for the Sombrero....
2008-06-28 16:52:12
210.   RIYank
200 Have you been calm a lot, as befits your name?
2008-06-28 16:52:42
211.   Chyll Will
206 Not who I associate with Kyle >;)
2008-06-28 16:52:51
212.   RIYank
Wow! Ireland, Posada, and Molina: if Farns doesn't learn something here, he's hopeless.
2008-06-28 16:53:01
213.   Alex Belth
Very interesting...let's see if all that smart talk penetrates that old noggin.
2008-06-28 16:53:04
214.   OldYanksFan
Jorge's 1st basemans glove looks brand new. Does he put it under his mattress between games.
2008-06-28 16:53:14
215.   Alex Belth
WOW, got away with one there, no?
2008-06-28 16:53:46
216.   Alex Belth
Jezus, almost hit him on the 1-2 pitch.
2008-06-28 16:53:58
217.   OldYanksFan
Almost hits Beltran in the shoe.
2008-06-28 16:54:25
218.   Jeb
215 he sure did....I'm glad Reyes isn't on first.
2008-06-28 16:54:26
219.   OldYanksFan
Damn. Another touch typer.
2008-06-28 16:54:27
220.   Alex Belth
Okay, he fouls off the high heat, now go back door with the slider..
2008-06-28 16:54:37
221.   RIYank
Punched out!
Kyle is King.
2008-06-28 16:54:47
222.   Alex Belth
2008-06-28 16:55:09
223.   Jeb
Here Carlos, try on this's made of gold....
2008-06-28 16:55:18
224.   OldYanksFan
Holy Moly! We live to see another inning. Girardi must have Balls of Steel.
2008-06-28 16:55:35
225.   ms october
wow, riyank - it was your calming thoughts that did it.
and that giambi and snacks invited beltran to hang out last night.
2008-06-28 16:56:45
226.   Jeb
what's tony gwynn doing with that tire?
2008-06-28 16:56:46
227.   Jeb
what's tony gwynn doing with that tire?
2008-06-28 16:57:11
228.   RIYank
225 I was never worried.

So now I think I'll pour the bourbon!

2008-06-28 17:00:07
229.   RIYank
Oh, no way. Good try, Melk!
2008-06-28 17:00:21
230.   ms october
ah too bad melky - and that was actually a nice ab
2008-06-28 17:00:28
231.   Chyll Will
210 My buddy told me about an AD who works with Spike Lee; they were shooting on location at one place and the Art Dept. was prepping the next location, in a really bad part of Brooklyn. The following conversation took place over open walkie:

ART: "911, we've got a situation over here!"

AD: "What's going on?"

ART: "We're in the midst of a shootout over here!"

AD: "Is anyone hurt, are you guys okay?"

ART: "Yes, we're ducking inside a car right now."

AD: "Well keep ducking... ROLL SOUND! ROLL CAMERA!!"

...that's the kinda calm I've been. >;)

2008-06-28 17:03:27
232.   Jeb
Per Pete Abe: "Ian Kennedy's line from today's game between the Single-A Tampa Yankees and Palm Beach Cardinals in Jupiter, Fla.: 5 2 0 0 1 4. 74 pitches/47 strikes."

2 more starts from Ponson, All Star Break, and then IPK?

2008-06-28 17:04:19
233.   RIYank
231 Oh, the camera kind.
2008-06-28 17:04:39
234.   mehmattski
232 Sadly, I think that the clock will strike midnight for Rasner first...
2008-06-28 17:05:24
235.   RIYank
Here we go!

Big sip of bourbon, and we go to Mo.

2008-06-28 17:05:33
236.   Alex Belth
go git 'em, Mo.
2008-06-28 17:06:04
237.   Alex Belth
Yo RIYank, take two and pass!
2008-06-28 17:07:14
238.   ms october
232 234 yeah, i would say no more hawkins, giese as the long man and then ian gets either ponson or rasner's spot
2008-06-28 17:07:43
239.   Dimelo
I am so glad this game got to Mo', I really don't understand Girardi's logic with Farnswroth.

I hope the Yanks are trying to trade him, I really, really hope that's the reason they keep running that guy out there. I can't sit still the minute he steps on the mound.

Let's go Mo!!!

2008-06-28 17:07:59
240.   Jeb
234 If Ponson's "found himself" I can live with him as #5 -- after all we had 2 years of Jaret Wright. I am intrigued by Ponson's wednesday start against Texas.
2008-06-28 17:09:21
241.   Dimelo
237 Are you SURE you're talking about Bourbon?
2008-06-28 17:09:38
242.   OldYanksFan
237 A bourbon? No joint? Man, you guys are getting old.
2008-06-28 17:10:16
243.   RIYank
Yeah, I think Alex has a whole nother thing in mind.
Anyway, I'll happily pour a few to toast that K!
2008-06-28 17:10:35
244.   Alex Belth
That's just disgusting.
2008-06-28 17:10:41
245.   Dimelo Delgado rubs me the wrong way. So glad Mo' got'em.
2008-06-28 17:11:03
246.   Alex Belth
Nah, D you know I don't drink!
2008-06-28 17:11:04
247.   OldYanksFan
Trot Nixon is one of the few who hits Mo (I think).
2008-06-28 17:11:16
248.   Dimelo
FU Joe Buck!!!
2008-06-28 17:12:13
249.   Dimelo
Good answer, Alex.
2008-06-28 17:12:36
250.   Alex Belth
Good call on Trot.
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2008-06-28 17:12:37
251.   RIYank
Honestly, a joint would blunt (so to speak) my enjoyment of His Moliness.
2008-06-28 17:12:57
252.   Dimelo
Guess not, OldYanksFan. Though I had that same line of thinking, too.
2008-06-28 17:12:59
253.   Chyll Will
237 Heyo, Miller is cool, but you're full much quicker...
(yeah-yeah-yeah, just pass the brown liquor...) >;)
2008-06-28 17:13:33
254.   Alex Belth
Paint the outside corner now Mo!
2008-06-28 17:13:42
255.   Jeb
So they sweep us in our last year of the great Yankee Stadium and we sweep them in the last year of Shithole Stadium?

Fuck da Muts...Fuck da Muts....

2008-06-28 17:13:53
256.   Dimelo
2008-06-28 17:14:01
257.   RIYank
Too, too, too sweet.
Love that man.
2008-06-28 17:14:02
258.   williamnyy23
Mariano is sweet.
2008-06-28 17:14:06
259.   OldYanksFan
Even Trot loves to watch Mo pitch!
2008-06-28 17:14:10
260.   ms october
all hail mo!!
2008-06-28 17:14:17
261.   mehmattski
I <3 Mo.
2008-06-28 17:14:46
262.   Alex Belth
I like Dutch but I roll with Phillies! (though they do boin much quickah)


2008-06-28 17:15:20
263.   Alex Belth
259, that is too funny!
2008-06-28 17:15:20
264.   williamnyy23
Can the Rays lose a game now? Please?
2008-06-28 17:15:25
265.   OldYanksFan
We beat Pedro. We beat Santana. Sweet!
2008-06-28 17:15:26
266.   RIYank
I like how suddenly the F-bombs came out on Banter. There's something really "fuck you" about Mariano pitching, isn't there?
2008-06-28 17:17:15
267.   Dimelo
262 I like pipes at home, when alone. But when with a crew and we are at someone's house, or mine, there isn't anything better than cracking a dutch and just talking bs and blazing.
2008-06-28 17:18:15
268.   OldYanksFan
264 To Pittsburg? That would be UNACCEPTABLE!
2008-06-28 17:18:16
269.   RIYank
I dunno, the bourbon has the advantage of tasting good and it never makes me cough.
2008-06-28 17:18:29
270.   Dimelo
264 That's so weird to see, "can the Rays please lose a game now!". I feel like the laws of physics have been reversed.
2008-06-28 17:19:35
271.   Alex Belth
Man, now damn the torpeedos, it'll be a real drag to lose to that wack ass Ollie Perez. A clean sweep would make this weekend go down mighty nice.

Also, how sweet is it that Reyes got picked off there?

2008-06-28 17:19:49
272.   Chyll Will
262 Cuz I'm eenie, meenie, Mighty Mo!
Pitch to the Mets, all they get's zeroes!
2008-06-28 17:19:55
273.   RIYank
Damn, that was a great win. The Pettitte pick-off, the Melky catch to rob Wright, scratching the runs on outs.
And another Mo gem to cap it off. Just about perfect.
2008-06-28 17:20:14
274.   ms october
264 maybe when interleague ends.
in a way the good thing about the wc challenge being with them instead of another division is the yanks can make up a lot of ground by taking 2 of 3 from them twice - obviously they are good, but in joba, pettitte, and moose games no reason the yanks shouldn't win a good number of those starts and hope for the best in the other 2 starters games
2008-06-28 17:20:59
275.   OldYanksFan
Oh... and we don't need no stinkin' Santana. We got Andy!
2008-06-28 17:23:57
276.   OldYanksFan
Wow. Boston scores 4 off of Hapless Houston in the top of the 3rd. Houston scores FIVE in the bottom of the 3rd.
2008-06-28 17:23:59
277.   Alex Belth
Interesting how Mo threw nothing but cutters inside to Delgado, and saved that outside fastball for the last pitch to Nixon.

More beautiful things from Mr. Mo.

2008-06-28 17:28:24
278.   Chyll Will
Wowzers, nervous crowd tonight. Good thing God made dope... >;)
2008-06-28 17:29:18
279.   RIYank
276 That's Lester. Only Sox pitcher I can't enjoy getting blasted.
2008-06-28 17:29:54
280.   RIYank
278 Except me. I was chyll.
2008-06-28 17:35:59
281.   Chyll Will
280 In rasta culture, being RI is not a bad t'ing either >;)
2008-06-28 17:39:52
282.   RIYank
Hm. Don't know that one. Like "righted"?
2008-06-28 17:46:31
283.   Chyll Will

fifth entry down, under I-words. More fitting than you know, under the circumstances >;)

2008-06-28 18:42:26
284.   mehmattski
Great back-and-forth Sox-Stros game.
2008-06-28 19:27:45
285.   weeping for brunnhilde
Mariano Rivera.

My God.

Did you people see that called strike three to Nixon?

I mean, what is there to say, really?

I watched the pitch, I saw it hit the corner, I saw the umpire raise his arm and I just literally sat in awe.

I mean what a pitch.

It just never gets old.

I've seen it a thousand times and it never gets old

And the way he just ate up Delgado, too.

But frankly, my favorite is the called strike three on the outside corner to lefties.

It's sublimely unfair.

2008-06-28 19:29:50
286.   weeping for brunnhilde
271 Aw, damn, I missed that!

Must have been beautiful.

2008-06-28 19:32:46
287.   mehmattski
And the Red Sox lose!
2008-06-28 19:37:36
288.   weeping for brunnhilde
287 Thhhhhhheeee...Red Sox LOSE!
2008-06-28 21:25:42
289.   Jeb
288 and the Pittsburgh Welfare Queens beat the Rays...woo hoo.

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