Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Missed it by That Much
2008-06-21 07:25
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

Edinson Volquez out-dueled Mike Mussina on Friday night as the Reds beat the Yanks 4-2. It was a terrific evening at the Stadium, weather-wise, and the Yankees had their chances--the tying run was at the plate in the bottom of the ninth, and Jason Giambi just missed a change up with two men on in the seventh (he would hit a long fly out to death valley, another one he was just behind). Mussina scattered ten hits over eight innings but really only made one mistake--a flat fastball to Jolbert Cabrera in the fifth. Johnny Damon lost a fly ball in the lights to start the inning:

"I saw it, I felt I had a bead on it," Damon said. "Then, you're seeing shadows. It makes me disgusted. I didn't realize it hit off my glove. That's tough to overcome when you're facing a tough pitcher. Unfortunately, losing the ball in the lights cost us three."
(Lapointe, N.Y. Times)

It was a night of near-misses.

Volquez was a lot of fun to watch. He was "effectively wild," but not like Daniel Cabrera. He wasn't wild enough to be hitting guys. But his pitches darted every which way. More to the point, when he fell behind in the count, he was able to come up with the big pitch. He was supremely confident, and why not? He hasn't allowed more than three runs in any start this season.

It's hot n hazy again in New York today. A 1:00 start promises to bring plenty of heat.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

Comments (140)
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2008-06-21 08:20:14
1.   RIYank
Perfect title! As I mentioned in the game thread, I went to "Get Smart" during the bad part of the game.
2008-06-21 08:41:04
2.   mehmattski
PeteAbe reports that Mussina was not happy with the decision to intentionally walk Jay Bruce to get to Cabrera. I must say I agree with Moose. Even though Bruce has had a hot start, even he realizes what's going on:

Asked to explain his Red-hot start, Bruce said simply "Sample size."


Sometimes, I don't think Girardi reads the Baseball Prospectus on his shelf as closely as we'd like.

2008-06-21 09:13:07
3.   Jeb
Hey fellas. I'm back in the Stadium hoping for a win. This time we're trying the bleachers. Looks like we've got the super-lineup today. Glad the sawx lost last night anyway.

Let's go Yan-kees! Smoke 'em inside and go pound the Budweisers.

2008-06-21 10:04:02
4.   Chyll Will
3 I dare you to start a chant in your section after the Bleacher Creatures do roll call: "Drinkability!" (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!)
2008-06-21 10:07:09
5.   Jeb
4 ha. Don't wanna get tossed!
2008-06-21 10:08:21
6.   randym77
The Reds put Jolbert Cabrera on the DL and replaced him with today's starting pitcher.

They did not call up a SS. That means if anything happens to Janish, Andy Phillips is the Reds' SS. (Er...has he played SS since his days with the Alabama Dinoflagelettes?)

Feinsand had some interesting stuff in his blog today. He reports Andy Phillips and his wife Bethany are expecting their first child in September. That's really good news, considering what happened with their last pregnancy.

He also reports that Edinson Volquez and Melky Cabrera used to play Little League together. Hence Voltron's fist-pump at getting Melky out.

2008-06-21 10:09:39
7.   Bob Timmermann
Mussina was more afraid to pitch to Jolbert Cabrera than Jay Bruce?

Go figure.

2008-06-21 10:12:47
8.   tommyl
That was one efficient inning.
2008-06-21 10:17:16
9.   tommyl
Ok, where is everyone? I'm in Europe and I'm the only one commenting on the game today?
2008-06-21 10:20:07
10.   Jeb
10 centerfield bleachers
2008-06-21 10:20:16
11.   tommyl
Well Derek continues to impress. He needs to break out of this right freakin' now.
2008-06-21 10:21:07
12.   cult of basebaal
johnny damon ... killer of trees

derek jeter ... killer of rallys

2008-06-21 10:26:23
13.   Jeb
Giese looks ok so far.
2008-06-21 10:31:06
14.   OldYanksFan
Funny how neither Giese or Rasner were really on our 'Hot Kids' radar... yet here they are and pitching very well. Go figure.
2008-06-21 10:32:07
15.   ny2ca2dc
14 Rasner kind of was, as the best of the rest. Giese really has come from no where though.
2008-06-21 10:32:28
16.   monkeypants
14 Ya' just can't predict baseball.
2008-06-21 10:32:51
17.   Jeb
I know we'll miss wanger but his ERA+ was 101. We can replace THAT. Granted he was going to pitch much better than 101+ but I'm just saying we can at least do as well as we've done thus far from that slot in the rotation.
2008-06-21 10:33:26
18.   Just fair
A-Rod could Ah-nold are run for money with those "Terminator Glasses." Man, he's nasty.
2008-06-21 10:34:03
19.   monkeypants
A-Rod hits the ball so hard--I never thought that as getting to the wall, and it zoomed past the fielders.
2008-06-21 10:34:09
20.   cult of basebaal
damn, the ruth kids are swoll
2008-06-21 10:34:09
21.   tommyl
This A-Rod kid is pretty good. Recent callup?
2008-06-21 10:36:24
22.   ms october
21 well if giese gets to be a kid so do me and arod - though i think that arod kid is kind of precocious
2008-06-21 10:37:15
23.   monkeypants
Rookie P didn't cover--error, FC, or base hit?
2008-06-21 10:38:36
24.   tommyl
22 I've never heard of him. Is he replacing Morgan Ensberg?
2008-06-21 10:39:53
25.   monkeypants
24 You can never replace Morgan Ensberg, you just hope the other players on the team pick up the slack.
2008-06-21 10:40:24
26.   cult of basebaal
jason's gone back to just missing everything ... gar!
2008-06-21 10:41:01
27.   tommyl
26 Still walks a lot though. I'll take that.
2008-06-21 10:42:00
28.   ms october
if thompson is on any kind of pitch count he probably has time to make a matinee
2008-06-21 10:42:01
29.   tommyl
25 Maybe A-Gon should have played third. I don't know if thie Alex kid is a flash in the pan or not. I mean does he have any sort of track record? I also heard a rumor that Derek Jeter doesn't like him. That can't be good. Man, for the days of Scot Brosius and Charlie Hayes, sigh.
2008-06-21 10:42:06
30.   cult of basebaal
man, love this yankees offensive approach ... grind out them at bats!
2008-06-21 10:44:16
31.   ny2ca2dc
29 And there's no way he'll be able to handle New York.
2008-06-21 10:44:35
32.   monkeypants
30 Robbie didn't read the memo.
2008-06-21 10:44:42
33.   tommyl
Ugh, Jorgie, you're not Jose Molina.
2008-06-21 10:45:30
34.   tommyl
32 Here's how you know Robbie is up at bat. I'm following on Gameday and you guys are commenting on him getting out before it even shows him up to bat.
2008-06-21 10:45:36
35.   ny2ca2dc
Way to grind it Robinson.
2008-06-21 10:46:33
36.   randym77
Crap. I can't believe he got out of that.
2008-06-21 10:46:44
37.   cult of basebaal
ah, rotten robbie, totally hacktastic!
2008-06-21 10:46:52
38.   tommyl
For the love of G-d, talk about a black hole of a bottom of the order. Bases loaded, no outs and we get K, pop out to catcher and K. Great situational "hitting" there guys.
2008-06-21 10:46:58
39.   Bob Timmermann
Daryl Thompson is no Bieker Graterol.
2008-06-21 10:47:25
40.   monkeypants
34 35 Sorry about that...I'll slow things down to cut down on spoilers.
2008-06-21 10:47:50
41.   ny2ca2dc
38 Po at least had a pretty good at bat. That change was pretty nasty.
2008-06-21 10:48:01
42.   Jeb
FUCK! (look at me, I just cussed in the bleachers).
2008-06-21 10:48:17
43.   cult of basebaal
man, if the reds were a stock, i think i'd invest

they've got some good looking young pitchers (and we haven't even seen cueto yet)

this thompson kid can pitch

2008-06-21 10:48:29
44.   Yankees Brasil
Yankees seem to be back to the losing formula of not hitting with RISP. It's great.
2008-06-21 10:50:11
45.   tommyl
43 But then you remember old clog the bases, throw Mark out there a bit more Dusty Baker is their manager and you decide to short them.
2008-06-21 10:51:12
46.   ms october
43 45 plus they employ the likes of corey patterson
2008-06-21 10:51:15
47.   tommyl
43 Also, I'm not ready to throw Thompson into the good pitcher category yet. He's thrown 50+ pitches in 2 innings. I give him credit for that K of Jorgie but c'mon, did anyone not expect Robbie to hit a pop up?
2008-06-21 10:53:07
48.   Yankees Brasil
At least Giese looks good so far.
2008-06-21 10:58:06
49.   monkeypants
I like it when Jeter pulls the ball a little more.
2008-06-21 10:58:59
50.   cult of basebaal

damon didn't break a bat this time

jeter didn't kill a rally

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2008-06-21 10:59:55
51.   monkeypants
OK, when do we get to start complaining about Abreu?
2008-06-21 11:01:24
52.   ny2ca2dc
51 A few weeks ago. He's not in the Jeter/Cano/Cabrera doghouse yet, but he's trying.
2008-06-21 11:05:11
53.   cult of basebaal
2008-06-21 11:05:47
54.   Bob Timmermann
Joe Torre took the secret of beating the Reds with him to L.A.

The Dodgers went 7-1 against the Reds this year.

2008-06-21 11:07:00
55.   Yankees Brasil
Yankees are trying really hard to not score. That's 1 for 7 now with RISP.
2008-06-21 11:07:46
56.   randym77
43 The Reds' future is very bright. Their farm system is seriously loaded.
2008-06-21 11:08:21
57.   rufuswashere
This game is agony so far. I need to go out and get some fresh air, maybe that will help the Yanks score. (Magical thinking...)
2008-06-21 11:09:20
58.   OldYanksFan
Toronto lost last night, 1-0 in 12 innings.
I guess we plan to tease them into submission?
2008-06-21 11:13:54
59.   ny2ca2dc
Agony? Sure the hitting is frustrating (though I think they'll start to fall in with RISP), Dan Giese is really on.
2008-06-21 11:15:42
60.   tommyl
58 That's what happens when you fill your team with guys who play baseball for the fun of it. Not like lack of motivation Adum Dunn and his bunch of HRs and actual OBP, and SLG. David Eckstein couldn't scrap out a win for them?
2008-06-21 11:15:55
61.   Jeb
Ok how do we get out of THIS inning without scoring?
2008-06-21 11:17:21
62.   doslobo38
I can't believe it...I had Direct-TV installed last week and bought the MLB package and today the Yankees game is on four different channels...all of them blacked out in my zip code...sheesh!
2008-06-21 11:19:23
63.   doslobo38
well on a psoitive note Abreu and Matsui have been slumping since I got Direct-TV, maybe my missing the game today will break the curse.
2008-06-21 11:19:33
64.   Jeb
Is anyone recording this game and would you be willing to send me a copy?
2008-06-21 11:20:36
65.   cult of basebaal
61 well, we've robbie and melky coming up, that should handle things ...
2008-06-21 11:21:29
66.   monkeypants
64 Not without the express written consent of Major League Baseball.
2008-06-21 11:21:50
67.   tommyl
Alright guys I'm off to a pub to watch the euro. Go Yankees!
2008-06-21 11:22:48
68.   monkeypants
On a positive note, Melky didn't slide into first base.
2008-06-21 11:22:57
69.   tommyl
2008-06-21 11:23:24
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team!

Did you guys see this?

A switch-hitter facing a switch-pitcher!

Fucking crazy!

2008-06-21 11:23:32
71.   tommyl
Wait, what?! Fucking gameday. It had in play (runs) then said Melky grounded out. What the hell?
2008-06-21 11:24:12
72.   cult of basebaal
65 yup!

The C & C boys, where innings go to die.

2008-06-21 11:27:26
73.   cult of basebaal
me likely this giese fella
2008-06-21 11:30:43
74.   Yankees Brasil
73 Our hitters, on the other hand, don't like him very much.
2008-06-21 11:36:08
75.   Jeb
What's the pitch count for the reds pitcher?
2008-06-21 11:37:28
76.   OldYanksFan
95 pitches
2008-06-21 11:37:41
77.   cult of basebaal
75 just over 90 i think ... he's not long for this game
2008-06-21 11:39:19
78.   ny2ca2dc
how does a guy have reactions that damn quick...
2008-06-21 11:40:51
79.   randym77
Janish has a good glove. (He was on the Rice team that won the CWS in 2003.)
2008-06-21 11:43:17
80.   cult of basebaal
i dig that the reds seem to have made a concerted effort to teach their young pitchers change-ups in the minors ...
2008-06-21 11:43:32
81.   Jeb
I don't know if Dan's day is done or not, but I daresay that performance was better than 101+, sample size considered.
2008-06-21 11:44:28
82.   ny2ca2dc
Slice and Giese!!

(get it, like slice and dice, because he's slicing and dicing the Reds hitters!)

I'll go away now.

2008-06-21 11:44:32
83.   OldYanksFan
0-2-0 /62 piches after 6. Best pitched game this year so far?
2008-06-21 11:45:48
84.   monkeypants
81 At 62 pitches, I would hope his day is not done.
2008-06-21 11:49:27
85.   Bob Timmermann
The last two rookie pitchers to make their MLB debuts at Yankee Stadium have not given up a run in their starts. Anibal Sanchez went 5 2/3 shutout innings for the Marlins in 2006.
2008-06-21 11:52:07
86.   thelarmis
85 damn URP's! : ~
2008-06-21 11:54:28
87.   monkeypants
And watch the wheels come off the wagon now...
2008-06-21 11:56:20
88.   Yankees Brasil
Horrible play by A-Rod, he needs to get that lead runner. Horrible.
2008-06-21 11:56:28
89.   Mattpat11
Part of me would have liked Michael Kay to be a baseball broadcaster as Greg Maddux came up.

In Kay's mind, the only fastball that is any good whatsoever is a 95 mph or better heater.

Also, a pitch at least that fast is ALWAYS good, regardless of location or movement. Kyle Farnsworth's pin straight, wild fastball is "Great" because he's hit 101 with it.

Kay would demand they trade Maddux for Brad Penny.

2008-06-21 11:56:53
90.   Travis08
83 Wang's 2-hitter at Boston was better.

85 Sanchez's debut came in probably the most unseen game in recent Yankee history. It was the second game of a Sunday day-night double header, plus it was raining. The official attendance was only 6,808, and the game was blacked out thanks to ESPN.

2008-06-21 11:58:14
91.   ny2ca2dc
Damn, Dunn's huge.
2008-06-21 11:59:09
92.   cult of basebaal
giese is NICE!
2008-06-21 12:00:52
93.   Mattpat11
2008-06-21 12:01:34
94.   cult of basebaal
2008-06-21 12:01:47
95.   ny2ca2dc
2008-06-21 12:01:58
96.   monkeypants
88 I'm not sure A-Rod could get Griffey there. The better play might have been to go right to 2B, but still, that was a slow hit ball.
2008-06-21 12:02:05
97.   cult of basebaal
bad, bad pitch with 2 strikes


2008-06-21 12:02:33
98.   ny2ca2dc
Why in the world is Giese coming out.... The BP scrubs are going to be better? Latroy will probably show himself now, that can never be good.
2008-06-21 12:02:58
99.   randym77
Kind of a rough way to end a pretty good debut.
2008-06-21 12:03:26
100.   monkeypants
Here is where I don't understand baseball wisdom. Giese has not ben hit that had this inning, and really it was his error that set this up. So, with two outs and a man on first, why change pitchers now? They might as well let him finish the inning, and frankly, with his low pitch count he could have started next inning too.
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2008-06-21 12:03:30
101.   Yankees Brasil
96 He had plenty of time. Griffey was far from him when he fielded the ball. Had he focused on just getting the lead runner, this would be a 1 x 0 game right now.

But the way the offense is going, it might not matter at all.

2008-06-21 12:05:41
102.   Mattpat11
Not only are the Yankees going to lose a series to the hideous Reds, but they are getting beat by COREY PATTERSON?
2008-06-21 12:05:47
103.   Yankees Brasil
Great move Joe. Another one to the list.
2008-06-21 12:06:25
104.   cult of basebaal
well, THIS inning sucks.
2008-06-21 12:06:39
105.   monkeypants
101 Maybe...So the way you saw it, A-Rod fielded the ball, lost focus somehow, and let Griffey get past him? That's not the way I saw it.
2008-06-21 12:06:56
106.   ny2ca2dc
What a surprise that Veras is hurting under the workload...
2008-06-21 12:07:03
107.   Yankees Brasil
102 We are losing because the D sucks, and the offense is back to sucking.
2008-06-21 12:07:44
108.   thelarmis
100 get outta my brain! exactly what i was thinking. stoopid move by GI Joe...
2008-06-21 12:10:51
109.   cult of basebaal
105 no, a-rod made his mind he was going to get 2, rather than just one ... he tried to get griffey and complete the play at first. if he had just wanted to get griffey he would have stepped in front of him by stepping towards third, rather than stepping towards first, which gave him a much poorer angle on the runner, but was necessary to make the throw to first.
2008-06-21 12:12:22
110.   Mattpat11
The one good thing is you know Cashman was itching for a reason to call up Ponson, and I don't think he got it.
2008-06-21 12:16:39
111.   cult of basebaal
i imagine we'll see sir sidney this time next week, for one of the games of the doubleheader.
2008-06-21 12:20:20
112.   Mattpat11
These two games have ruined the winning streak.
2008-06-21 12:20:41
113.   cult of basebaal
jesus, we're losing to a team that keeps forgetting how many outs there are ... that's just sad.
2008-06-21 12:21:17
114.   monkeypants
111 Unfortunately, current baseball orthodoxy and BP construction demands a call-up for the DH, and the likely options are indeed not attractive.
2008-06-21 12:22:57
115.   monkeypants
113 I think that the Yankees' outs are coming so quickly that they are all running together. You can't really fault the Reds for losing track now and again.
2008-06-21 12:26:10
116.   Mattpat11
Welcome back, Billy Traber.
2008-06-21 12:33:09
117.   Mattpat11
What do people see in Ohlendorf?
2008-06-21 12:36:41
118.   Mattpat11
I hate Michael Kay.
2008-06-21 12:37:59
119.   Yankees Brasil
Where's our offense?
2008-06-21 12:39:22
120.   Yankees Brasil
I just hope we don't get swept by the last place Reds. Hopefully our hitter will remember how to hit tomorrow.
2008-06-21 12:45:08
121.   williamnyy23
I had to endure most of this game on the radio, but it seems like the same old Yankee formula for a loss: bad defense and an in ability to cash in golden opportunities. When you have the Reds at home, you have to take two games. This is a seriously dissapointing last two games.
2008-06-21 12:47:28
122.   williamnyy23
Gotta love the hustle from Cano there.
2008-06-21 12:48:54
123.   Mattpat11
I'm still floored that I listened to a baseball announcer state that while a pitcher pissed any chance at the game away, "at least he's throwing hard!"

Is that supposed to console me?

2008-06-21 12:51:43
124.   Yankees Brasil
Well, we went 1 for 11 with RISP. The offense is struggling again.
2008-06-21 12:56:39
125.   Mattpat11
Is that Clint Howard?
2008-06-21 12:58:13
126.   Mattpat11
2008-06-21 12:59:36
127.   Mattpat11
And the Yankees go down without a fight.
2008-06-21 13:00:58
128.   williamnyy23
Enough with the losing the lights excuse...hundreds of outfielders play left field at Y.S. without a problem. Damon has to catch that ball and his failure to do so cost them the game. Basically, if the Yankees make some easy plays in both games, they win both. Pathetic weekend.
2008-06-21 13:05:17
129.   monkeypants
128 How do you know they play LF "without a problem"? And I like the rhetorical trick of going from "without a problem" to "easy plays". I also like the rhetoric of "easy plays = two wins". Pray tell, how do the Yankees win today making easy defensive plays? If Geise doesn't make a throwing error, does that mean the Yankees would not be shut out today?
2008-06-21 13:12:21
130.   williamnyy23
129 Because I can't remember the last left fielder who lost a ball in the lights.

Look, if you think the Damon and Geise plays weren't easy and weren't turning points, so be it. I happen to think the affirmative on both counts. I have no problem assigning some blame to a pathetic offense though.

2008-06-21 13:24:20
131.   Mattpat11
So what do you guys think? Seven game losing streak to totally ruin last week?
2008-06-21 13:26:20
132.   monkeypants

"Because I can't remember the last left fielder who lost a ball in the lights."

Here are two, by Yankees' opponents in the play-offs:

"if you think the Damon and Geise plays weren't easy and weren't turning points..."

I am not talking about yesterday, but I have a hard time seeing Geise's play as a "turning point" when the Yankee's offense scored ZERO runs anyway. Geise's play didn't allow the two extra runs to score the next inning either, when the Yankees still scored ZERO runs. I do see that you are willing to "assigne some blame" to the offense, which scored ZERO runs.

By the way, remind me, I don't remember the last time a team won when it scored ZERO runs.

2008-06-21 13:27:44
133.   monkeypants
131 No, because 2 losses do not equal 7 wins. This is MLB not the AP poll in NCAA football.

You and William make a nice pair though.

2008-06-21 13:41:15
134.   williamnyy23
132 You are working off the fallacy of the pre-determined outcome. If Geise doesn't make that error, everything is different afterwards. With the Reds bullpen coming in, I like my chances when they have no margin for error. I think that error was a clear turning point in the game. If you really think that play has no effect on everything that comes after it, then we are on completely different pages.

Also, one of your links dealt with a player losing a ball in the sun, not the lights. The other was 9 years ago, so it seems most of the other left fielders have been ok. Damon has to catch that ball. If you want to accept the lights as an excuse, again, we are on a different page.

2008-06-21 14:11:30
135.   Mattpat11
133 They remind me alot of the shitty team that played in April and May. If they can't beat the trash of the National League, I can only assume that team has returned.
2008-06-21 15:03:10
136.   Jeb
Postscript: we walked down from the CF bleachers with 2 outs in the 9th to get pics of Mo in the pen. After out number 3, edwar ramirez (I think it was edwar) flipped a ball up. There were 8 hands reaching for it. But after banging my head all weekend my 6'4" former first baseman frame came in handy. The ball hung in the air and I grabbed it like I was getting a can off the shelf. It made an otherwise lousy day somehow hopeful.
2008-06-21 15:39:47
137.   OldYanksFan
A tough day, but we are STILL PS bound. A little news from Boston to ease our grief:
D Matsuzaka 1.0 IP, 6 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 1 SO, 1 HR, 48-24.
Cards up 9-3, bottom 9th.
2008-06-21 16:07:54
138.   monkeypants
134 I don't accept Damon's play as "easy"--that is your false dichotomy (that all makable plays are "easy"). LF at Yankee Stadium may very well be difficult to play, whether because of lights or sun, I just don't know. That does not mean the play was not makable, or that it should not have been an error. It simply leaves open the possibility that the play was indeed difficult, a complexity that you do not wish to consider.

While I may be laboring under the false premise of predetermined outcome, I believe that your premise of "turning points" is equally problematic, since I see no reason to conclude that an error in the 7th inning made the offense not score runs in the 7th through 9th, let alone explain the lack of offense in the 1st through 6th, or the lack of offense the day before. Likewsie, I have a hard time accepting that Geise's error made the BP give up 2 more runs.

Moreover, the poor defense by Geise and (arguably) A-Rod could all have been rendered moot had Geise made a better pitch on 0-2 with two outs.

Finally, you too are falling into the predetermined outcome trap by assuming that the defensive gaffs are what did in the team. For example, if Geise makes the DP throw, do we know that he would have continued to pitch well? Maybe he would have lost his edge and given up a gopher ball, etc.

So, when all is said and done, your bitching and moaning about the defense causing two losses just doesn't add up, in my opinion. The defense contributed to be sure, but the team lost two games mainly because it scored 2 and 0 runs.


PS--the two links that I turned up were found after about a three minute google search, they are by no means meant as an exhaustive collection of data. If I had the desire, I am sure I could turn up more examples. But then, that was not really the point.

2008-06-21 16:37:02
139.   Bob Timmermann
On behalf of Dodgers fans, we would like to tell you that you can have Scott Proctor back.
2008-06-21 17:16:44
140.   OldYanksFan
139 Finders Keepers Losers Weepers.

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