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Joe P takes on Joe D and Junior Griffey. This is a good one.
The 13 strikeouts just boggles the mind.
Jeebus, that is unreal.
Talk about ramdon coincidence:
"Griffey hit his 500th career homer on June, 20, 2004, in St. Louis off Matt Morris of the Cardinals.
Appropriately, it occurred on Father's Day with Ken Griffey Sr. in attendance. It was the 2,143rd hit of Junior's career the precise number produced by his father in his 19-year career."
I was always told that Mantle retired too late and was a shell of himself in his last 4 seasons, which is probably true. Yet you look over the #s, and he still never had an OPS+ under 135. For his career (save year #1). 1956 and 1957 absolutely blow my mind (and to think Ted Williams had a higher ops+ in '57!!)...
So as I have gotten older, DiMaggio's legacy has definitely faded as Mantle's has risen in my mind, fair or not. Its not that I undervalue Joe D., its just that it seems pretty hard for me to imagine anyone not named Ruth or Bonds equaling Mantle...
But, um, wow, 13 strike outs. I think Ryan Howard did that in one game the other day...
You couldn't go wrong with either DiMaggio or Junior.
No, Mantle wasn't that player for long enough, and I saw him mostly when he was the hobbled hero. But he was awful damn good, for plenty long enough.
2 You can get some feel for the size of the old Stadium, because the wall is still there. Out past the left-centerfield fence, all the way past the bullpens to the facing of the leftfield bleachers - that was the outfield wall. The monuments and the flagpole were on the field.
To be fair, the left-field line was a little shorter, and the rightfield porch was even friendlier. On both sides, the fence in front of the grandstand was considerably lower.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure.
Mickey was a tremendous teammate. He would never do anything selfish, but my guess is if he batted lefty against most LH pitchers in Yankee Stadium, he would have had better power numbers.
My feeling is, and this has been echoed by many of Mantle's contemporaries, is Mantle could have been the greatest player ever. Mickey WAS the Natural. 80 power, 80 speed, great arm. Due to both injury and alcoholism, he never reached his potential, and was 'only' maybe one of the top 10 baseball players.
When you look at Mantle's numbers, remember he was hurt to some degree his entire career after his 1st year. Mickey once said... "Hitting the ball was easy. Running around the bases was the tough part."
"I always loved the game, but when my legs weren't hurting it was a lot easier to love."
"Sometimes I think if I had the same body and the same natural ability and someone else's brain, who knows how good a player I might have been."
Mays, Mantle, Cobb,
I saw one game (on TV) in '65 where the LFer was playing at about 400' and Mickey still got it by him in the gap (457').
Did you know in 1927, the stadium capacity was 80,000? When I first went, it was a mere 65,000.
It should be noted that Cobb played 24 seasons (with a 112 OPS+ in his last year), Willy 22 seasons (the last pretty much a dud), Mantle 16 and Joe D. played 13.
B... Ruth 195.6 WS in 22 seasons
HWagner 179.0 WS in 21 seasons
MMantle. 178.4 WS in 16 seasons
Ty Cobb 173.6 WS in 24 seasons
W. Mays 164.6 WS in 22 seasons
Joe D.... 150.9 WS in 13 seasons
Imagine... Cobb play 50% longer then Mickey and almost twice as long as Joe D. Imagine if Joe and Mickey could have played 20 years.
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