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Cough It Up
2008-06-02 21:58
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Yankee offense gave Andy Pettite three leads last night and Pettitte blew every one of them, the last on Joe Mauer's first home run of the season on a pitch that a irritated Pettitte later called "as ignorant a pitch as I could throw." Brought into a 5-5 game in the eighth inning, Kyle Farnsworth gave the Twins their first lead of the game by surrendering doubles to two of the first three hitters he faced. Joe Nathan came on in the ninth to protect that last-minute lead and handed the Yankees a 6-5 loss.


If there was any good news to come out of the game it was that Farnsworth's fateful inning was the only one pitched by the bullpen as Pettitte pitched efficiently, needing just 94 pitches to complete seven frames. That sets things up well for Joba Chamberlain's 70-pitch start tonight. Still, the Yankees are coming home a game under .500 and just a half game out of last place in the East having gone 3-4 on their trip through Baltimore and Minnesota.

2008-06-03 06:13:49
1.   rbj
Last night was also partly a homefield advantage win. Cuddyer knew how to play the baggie and throw out Jeter while Abreu didn't.


2008-06-03 06:26:03
2.   Simone
It was one of those games. They happen.

I have to admit to being very excited about Joba's first start tonight. It is the beginning of a new era for young Yankee pitchers with Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy being groomed to anchor in the starting rotation, the future looks very bright. I wish I could see the game.

2008-06-03 06:31:46
3.   Ace Rothstein
Last night could have been a really good momentum win. They had several oppurtunities to win the game, and they squandered them - good teams don't do that - that's what gets them from 500 to 750. Is this team capable of capturing those oppurtunities in the future? - YES, it's just a matter of whether they will or not. There's a lot of potential here, I'm waiting to see how it pans out. Man do I miss Bruney - he woulda filled out the 8th inning spot nicely, and farnsworth could do his farnsworthing in the 7th or not at all. BTW are farnsworth's glasses camo? He's such a cock.

and now we enter the media maelstrom that is joba starting his first ml game, lets second guess everything no matter what happens.

I hope Po coming back will give the team a lil kick - like arod's return did, cept hopefully this one will be long term.

2008-06-03 07:14:52
4.   bp1
You could see Andy doing a slow burn last night, walking off the mound after giving up the lead (pick a time). He lost a game where it seemed like he outpitched his opponent. That's gotta be frustrating.

I hate games like that, where the Yankees get a ton of hits but leave most of the runners on base. It is like slow torture. It just had that "uh oh" feel to it, when Livan would wiggle out of yet another jam. I wonder if this is what teams felt like when up against El Duque.

2008-06-03 07:18:57
5.   williamnyy23
1 The bigger factor was Jeter did not hustle out of the box and cost himself the double. This is the second time that Jeter's baserunning has cost the Yankees late in a game.

Last night's loss was a brutal one because it revealed the Yankees flaws, which cover every facet of the game. They ran the bases poorly, fielded poorly, hit poorly with men in scoring position, failed to get a quality start and then had the bullpen cough it up.

The calendar has turned to June, but the Yankees still haven't started to play well. If not for Seattle, you'd be able to say that this team has not played well over more than a 1 or 2 game stretch all season. It is hard to see how everything is just going to fall into place.

Interestingly, but not surprisingly, tonight's game has taken on a very different feeling. Instead of the Yankees playing the Jays, the real story is the debut of Joba. That's kind of the feel you get with team's that aren't really focus on the subplots first and the game second. With IPK having pitched so poorly and Hughes racked by injuries so early in his career, the mantle of Generation Trey now falls to Joba. If, for whatever reason, he should falter in the rotation, thoughts will immediately go back to Generation K and the lost potential of the Mets' trio of Pulsipher, Wilson and Izzy. The failure of that group really set the Mets back for several seasons, so a lot is riding on Joba's progress.

2008-06-03 07:20:22
6.   Mattpat11
3 I'm really not aboard the Bruney train. I remember when BB stood for more than his initials.
2008-06-03 07:41:37
7.   tommyl
6 Better than HR standing for Kyle's.
2008-06-03 07:44:18
8.   tommyl
Well it doesn't look like Ortiz will be calling his shot in Yankee Stadium after all. In all seriousness, I'm sad he's hurt. Yes its good for the Yankees, but Ortiz is a great player and by all accounts a great guy. I don't want to beat anyone because they are hurt. Hope you get better soon Papi.
2008-06-03 07:50:52
9.   williamnyy23
8 With Dice and Ortiz sideline with what could be significant injuries, and the Yankees looking and playing like a .500 team, everything could be breaking right for the Rays. Just like the Braves did in 1991, young teams can develop quickly and go from last to first, so there is no reason the Rays can't sustain their fast start. Also, with Price on the way and another first pick overall in the draft, TB could be laying the ground work for a nice run.
2008-06-03 08:01:52
10.   Raf
5 I don't think the failure of Wilson, Pulse and Izzy set the Mets back several seasons, they had been improving incrementally since they bottomed out in 1993.

8 It's still early; I wouldn't rule out Ortiz returning.

2008-06-03 08:14:36
11.   dianagramr

Dice-K's injury doesn't sound THAT serious, and the eventual return of Schilling will help the BoSox, but the loss of Ortiz just can't be made up (not even by Barry Lamar Bonds). I'm reading that Ortiz will most likely be out at least a month, and if surgery is required, will be gone for the rest of the year. The surgery would be similar in scope to Nomar's wrist surgery a few years ago (and Nomar's power went with it).

If the Yanks don't make it (and count me in as one of those that think they won't), then I would LOVE to see a Rays/Cubs World Series

(that might be the only way you see a sellout crowd in Tropicana Field!) :-)

2008-06-03 08:22:01
12.   RIYank
Yeah, Ortiz may be back but there's no way he's going to be hitting home runs over the All Star break.
2008-06-03 08:30:47
13.   RIYank
Also, I think it would be very surprising indeed if the Rays could keep up their current success. For one thing, their record is well above their Pythagorean expectation.
2008-06-03 08:34:42
14.   williamnyy23
10 In 1995, when the trio surfaced, I don't think the Mets thought it would take 4 more seasons to return to the playoffs. Instead of an immediate turnaround, the team was awful in 1995 and 1996 and then just a shade below the magic 90 win mark in 1997 and 1998.

11 It doesn't sound serious yet, but I think that's because Boston has been so tight liped about it. Dice K is notorious for the workload he had in Japan, so when the words MRI and shoulder surface, I think red flags go up. I also don't think Schilling is going to be a factor this season.

I am also in the boat of the if the Yankees don't make it, I would love to see the Rays win it. Of course, that would mean they are for real and likely to threaten the Yankees for time to come. Also, I really have no idea whom to root for in this series. Both the Sox and Rays are likely to vie for both the division and the WC, so it could be a losing proposition altogether. Looking up at the Rays makes me a little dizzy, but I have a feeling it's something we'd better get used to.

2008-06-03 08:39:01
15.   dianagramr

true .... and they've played 11 more home games than road games to this point ...

2008-06-03 09:02:31
16.   Raf
14 I don't think the Mets foresaw the run the Braves put together either; even if the 3 did pan out, I don't see them overtaking the Braves.

13 ,15 FWIW, the 2004 Yanks outperformed their pythag record by 12 games. The Rays are 3 over, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it yet.

2008-06-03 09:05:00
17.   RIYank
16 Okay, but we should expect teams that are out-performing their Pythagorean record to regress toward that record. Right?
2008-06-03 09:20:45
18.   dianagramr
Red Sox to date:

21-5 at home
14-20 on road

ergo 8 more games at home than on road rest of year, and if they play anywhere near their pace at home ....

2008-06-03 10:44:13
19.   YankeeInMichigan
Joba reality check: He has never faced a major league hitter twice in the same day.

Yes, he has ace potential. But he has a long way to go before we can annoint him as the rotaion's saviour.

2008-06-03 13:37:00
20.   horace-clarke-era
I'm with those who do not see the Rays folding soon, though I can see a late summer slippage ... sports does teach that you need to BE there once or twice before being able to handle serious pressure.

I also have to say I would NOT dismiss the Jays this year. They were wretched for 2 weeks and more and were close to firing manager and GM, so they are easy to overlook, but they have astonishingly good pitching, injured players returning, and Rios, a maybe stud, really has to be better than he has been.

What this actually means, I don''t know, but one thing seems clear enough: it will be hard for anyone to put together a major streak in the AL East, and it may stay in play a long time.

Last night's loss was, as everyone says, painful. It was indeed one of those where we had about 4 chances to blow it open and didn't. It is also another of the byproducts of Joba as a starter that we discussed ... we are into 'who will deliver and who will blow it' among the candidates for 7th/8th inning and most playoff teams need to have pretty reliable bridges to their closers.

2008-06-03 14:19:07
21.   Raf
20 we are into 'who will deliver and who will blow it' among the candidates for 7th/8th inning and most playoff teams need to have pretty reliable bridges to their closers.

I nominate Ohlendorf, since he seems to be effective for an inning.

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