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2008-05-27 14:35
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Ian Kennedy starts for the Yankees tonight. Joba Chamberlain is scheduled to throw 50 to 55 pitches tomorrow night. These two facts are not unrelated.

Chamberlain's pitch counts will increase by ten-to-15 pitches with each outing, and Joe Girardi has acknowledged that Joba's next appearance after tomorrow night's game (or Friday night's, if tomorrow night's starter, Andy Pettitte, works too deep into tomorrow's game) might have to be a start, as Joba could be up to 70 pitches for that outing. While Girardi hasn't ruled out using a six-man rotation during this transition period, eventually Joba's arrival in the rotation will mean someone already in the rotation will have to leave it.

Looking at the names of the five Yankee starters, Darrell Rasner would seem like the odd man out, but he's been the Yankees' best starter in May, posting a 1.80 ERA and a 0.88 WHIP in four starts. Looking that the numbers, Kennedy and his 7.27 ERA is the obvious choice to get the boot, but unlike Andy Pettitte or Mike Mussina, Ian Kennedy is expected to be a part of the Yankees' future success, and thus any strides he makes toward that success need to be encouraged and built upon.

Kennedy has a much higher innings limit this season than either Chamberlain or the injured Phil Hughes, and thus his short outings in April and missed turns in May could already have sufficiently limited his innings for the season. That means the Yankees don't need to move Kennedy into the bullpen to protect his arm the way they did Chamberlain both last and this year. What's more, Kennedy's brief demotion to Scranton proved that he's already too good for the minor leagues. That is to say that, if Kennedy can pitch like he did at the end of last season, there's no good reason for the Yankees to take him out of the rotation.

Kennedy already has one plus in his column, as his last start, also against these Orioles, saw him turn in a strong six innings while allowing just one run. Still, Kennedy will have to repeat the feat tonight while decreasing his walks (he issued four in that last start) in order to have much hope of holding on to his rotation spot. If he does that, he'll make Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman's lives difficult, but in a very good way, and could shift the pressure to Old Man Mussina.

Behind Kennedy tonight, Wilson Betemit gets the start at first base while Melky Cabrera gets the night off and the Damatsambi rotates around to fill the gaps. They'll all face lefty Brian Burres, who out-duelled Kennedy last Thursday in the Bronx with 7 2/3 innings of one-run ball before Jason Johnson came on and blew the game. This will be Burres's third start of the season against the Bombers. He's allowed just that one run in 13 1/3 innings across his previous two starts against the Yanks, throwing 5 2/3 shutout innings against them at Camden Yards on April 19.

Comments (652)
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2008-05-27 16:06:11
1.   rbj
Let's go Yankees!
2008-05-27 16:17:29
2.   SF Yanks
So far so good. Lookin sharp.
2008-05-27 16:17:48
3.   rbj
Good start for Kennedy.
2008-05-27 16:19:48
4.   Yankees Brasil
Very nice start, 6 more like this one and we'll be in good shape (hopefully).
2008-05-27 16:19:59
5.   tommyl
Stop swinging at the first pitch!
2008-05-27 16:22:16
6.   tommyl
I really enjoy the Babe Ruth version of Giambi. Nice single by Betemit.
2008-05-27 16:22:51
7.   Yankees Brasil
And we played Shelley instead of Giambi yesterday! What a shot.
2008-05-27 16:27:52
8.   nick
late to the party...Giambi! against the lefty!
2008-05-27 16:28:11
9.   tommyl
Hey, offense! Yay!
2008-05-27 16:28:24
10.   rbj
Sa-weeet!
2008-05-27 16:28:31
11.   nick
what say we drive this chump to the showers?
2008-05-27 16:29:45
12.   Yankees Brasil
Johnny!!
2008-05-27 16:30:21
13.   nick
Johnny!!
2008-05-27 16:30:46
14.   nick
12 ok, that shit's just weird, same number of !s and everything....
2008-05-27 16:30:54
15.   Yankees Brasil
The season looks a lot brighter when we hit against teams not named Mariners.
2008-05-27 16:34:54
16.   SF Yanks
Kennedy has a sizable lead with which to work, hopefully he can hang on to it.
2008-05-27 16:38:19
17.   SF Yanks
Fucking Millar.
2008-05-27 16:39:15
18.   cult of basebaal
fucking kennedy.
2008-05-27 16:40:19
19.   rbj
Grrrr. IPK is pulling a Moose here.
2008-05-27 16:41:22
20.   SF Yanks
Oh boy... it was looking so promising. I was just about to say how confident Kennedy is looking too, even after giving up the first home run. Just two pitches that caught too much of the plate and got hammered. I'm sure his confidence has just plummeted.
2008-05-27 16:41:44
21.   cult of basebaal
pitching yer way back to the bush here, meat
2008-05-27 16:42:07
22.   nick
I'm beginning to think this is psychological with IPK--the dreaded "makeup"...talk me down, please.....
2008-05-27 16:44:13
23.   williamnyy23
Apparently, Kennedy's arsensal consist of 89 mph fastballs down the middle. It seems as if his curveball and change are non-existent, and it's been that way all season. Even the outs in this game have been struck well. Eventually, hitters will catch up to a mediocre fastball over the middle. It's almost been 10 starts and IPK has never really shown a flash of brillaince. With Joba looming, his days in the rotation might be numbered, but at some point, the Yankees might also need to reassess their long-term plans for him.
2008-05-27 16:45:10
24.   williamnyy23
22 I wish it was...to my eye, the problem has been very mediocre stuff and poor command, which is a scary recipe.
2008-05-27 16:47:14
25.   cult of basebaal
oh, lovely
2008-05-27 16:47:20
26.   SF Yanks
22 What I find promising is that after the homers, he's still coming after hitters and not nibbling like he used to. He seems to have a plan, but just threw a couple of bad pitches. Plus his curve looks awfully good tonight...

And thank you ARod for helping out Ian there, ugh!

2008-05-27 16:48:43
27.   rbj
Kennedy seems to start off well, then gets into trouble. Maybe he should be Mo's successor so the Yankees can get the one good inning out of him.
2008-05-27 16:50:11
28.   OldYanksFan
If Melky is in CF, this 4th run may not have happened.
2008-05-27 16:50:27
29.   SF Yanks
What's with all the pitches right down the middle?
2008-05-27 16:50:39
30.   Yankees Brasil
Back to the days when no lead is big enough for our pitching staff to blow.
2008-05-27 16:50:43
31.   nick
what a fucking shambles...
2008-05-27 16:51:14
32.   williamnyy23
27 I don't really think he starts off well as much as it might take hitters a few batters to gage his stuff. Also, in the first inning, Roberts crushed a ball to the opposite field, so it's not like he was dominant.
2008-05-27 16:52:32
33.   williamnyy23
28 If Melky is in CF, either Betemit, Giambi or Damon wouldn't be in the lineup, so at least 1 run comes off the board.

The offense has down its job; this game is all on IPK and it's getting to the point that the Yankees can't simply allow him to be ineffective and show little progess.

2008-05-27 16:53:18
34.   nick
Rasner gets outs with unimpressive stuff; it seems to me it's half lack of command and half seizing up when he gets in a jam....I dunno...I grew up on the 80s teams and basically expect all young pitchers in pinstripes to suck.
2008-05-27 16:53:28
35.   tommyl
That fourth run you can't pin on him. Runner tagging from first on Damon's arm. Then Molina drops a ball (on what should have been the third strike to Roberts), then A-Rod blows the throw on a weak groundball. That's a lot of things going wrong for him. Those first three though, all on him. Lets see if he recovers at all.
2008-05-27 16:53:41
36.   rbj
32 Which is why you make him an apprentice for a few years.
2008-05-27 16:54:00
37.   Yankees Brasil
So, Kennedy dominates triple-A but gets crushed by major leaguers. A slightly better version of Jeff Karstens?
2008-05-27 16:56:44
38.   Yankees Brasil
Giambi is the man. Can't believe Shelley started yesterday instead of him.
2008-05-27 16:56:47
39.   tommyl
Holy hell Giambi is hitting well. Wow.

And Betemit, sporting the Edwar goggles? Is this whole team going blind?

2008-05-27 16:57:31
40.   OldYanksFan
Ya gotta luv the big lug, yes?
2008-05-27 16:57:59
41.   RIYank
Raise your hand if you like mustaches.

So, yeah, I guess Joba will take Ian's next start, huh? Maybe IPK can be good out of the bullpen.

2008-05-27 16:58:44
42.   nick
with that stach the Big Pimp is a monster!
2008-05-27 16:58:52
43.   Yankees Brasil
Offense, please don't let this pitcher, who gave up 4 runs in 3 innings, pitch 7 innings tonight. Please knock him around some more and get to their 'pen.

Thank you.

2008-05-27 16:59:08
44.   OldYanksFan
Does anyone else get a little sick when MLB ADVERTISES that you can vote for the All-Stars TWENTY FIVE times? What a joke!
2008-05-27 17:00:07
45.   SF Yanks
Lets give Ian a chance here. If he can go 3-4 more innings without giving up any runs it turns into a quality start. That may be a lot to ask though.
2008-05-27 17:01:58
46.   cult of basebaal
37 i much prefer goldman's nickname for karstens, Scary Flyball Guy ... we'll see if IPK steals that nickname away from him

in better news, looks like Horne is done with extended spring training starts in his rehab and is next scheduled to make a real start

IPK may find himself sharing the fate of the yankee clippard if he doesn't show some real improvement, real soon

2008-05-27 17:03:03
47.   SF Yanks
Ian's curve moves way left. It's kinda cool looking. He should throw more junk and less fastballs down the middle. Kinda how he's going about this batter.
2008-05-27 17:03:55
48.   rbj
Did Michael Kay just say he's never seen a Star Wars movie?
2008-05-27 17:04:00
49.   tommyl
Solid defense behind Kennedy. Now Millar up with a runner on again. Schweet.
2008-05-27 17:04:46
50.   Yankees Brasil
Great D guys.
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2008-05-27 17:05:14
51.   SF Yanks
Robinson Cannot.
2008-05-27 17:05:30
52.   williamnyy23
47 Most of them bounce though, which might expplain why he throws mostly fastballs.
2008-05-27 17:06:41
53.   SF Yanks
Wow, I think Ian got away with that one.
2008-05-27 17:07:03
54.   rbj
Good bounce back by IPK.
2008-05-27 17:08:01
55.   Yankees Brasil
53 Sure did. Right down the middle. Great thing Millar forgot he's facing the Yankees.
2008-05-27 17:08:23
56.   SF Yanks
53 Actually, it wasn't bad. Up and in.
2008-05-27 17:10:20
57.   tommyl
What the fuck is going on now?
2008-05-27 17:12:10
58.   rbj
57 Yankees taking the lead.

I have a feeling this is going to be a slugfest tonight.

2008-05-27 17:12:34
59.   RIYank
El Capitan!

I'm smiling broadly now. I've been worried about him. Still am, but.

2008-05-27 17:13:13
60.   tommyl
58 Sorry, I meant why is Ross Ohlendorf warming up in the pen?
2008-05-27 17:15:51
61.   RIYank
Oh, man!
The days of our having trouble with lefties are over!
2008-05-27 17:16:49
62.   Chyll Will
Bobby: "This does not suck..."
2008-05-27 17:16:51
63.   SF Yanks
ARod's due for a base knock.
2008-05-27 17:17:04
64.   rbj
60 Ah. Maybe Girardi wanting to avoid another IPK meltdown?
2008-05-27 17:17:33
65.   tommyl
Oh man, A-Rod is sooooo good.
2008-05-27 17:17:35
66.   SF Yanks
And there we have it.
2008-05-27 17:17:42
67.   Chyll Will
C'mon now, who didn't feel that one coming?
2008-05-27 17:18:04
68.   OldYanksFan
IPK with 51 pitches. Can he go 6?
2008-05-27 17:18:14
69.   RIYank
Finally a right-handed batter joins the party.

This is fun.

2008-05-27 17:18:20
70.   tommyl
64 After Kennedy goes 1-2-3-4 (1-2-3 + error) and gets Millar out? Seems to be recovering, pitch count is still quite low. I think you have to stay with him.
2008-05-27 17:18:41
71.   SF Yanks
67 Hey can't I just feel special for a moment?
2008-05-27 17:19:00
72.   Yankees Brasil
Nice! Got that one down and away and drove it out. Beautiful.
2008-05-27 17:19:03
73.   tommyl
That A-Rod home run reminded me of the one he hit off Paps last year. Down away, just slaps it the other way...over the wall.
2008-05-27 17:19:08
74.   3rd gen yankee fan
58 63 You guys are all about the predictions tonight. Got some lottery numbers for us?
2008-05-27 17:19:11
75.   OldYanksFan
That would be.... WA-HOO!
Looked like a short fly to CF to me.
2008-05-27 17:19:48
76.   rbj
70 Oh yes. I wouldn't pull him now, but I don't want the Orioles to tie it back up again.
2008-05-27 17:20:15
77.   rufuswashere
I like two-out RBIs. When the Yanks get them.
2008-05-27 17:20:31
78.   williamnyy23
75 Only Pujols matches Arod in the opposite field power department. Even when they just miss a little (and that's what Arod did), the ball still flies.
2008-05-27 17:20:43
79.   Chyll Will
71 Have at it, my friend >;)
2008-05-27 17:20:50
80.   OldYanksFan
Can anyone hit low-and-away pitches further then ARod?
2008-05-27 17:21:15
81.   nick
son of a bitch--go for a quick run and whaddaya know!
2008-05-27 17:21:46
82.   SF Yanks
74 2 13 51 62 43 20
2008-05-27 17:22:23
83.   OldYanksFan
See Nick run. Run Nick, run.
2008-05-27 17:23:03
84.   SF Yanks
82 And 42 of course.
2008-05-27 17:23:56
85.   SF Yanks
WTF! Why's Kennedy out?
2008-05-27 17:24:14
86.   3rd gen yankee fan
82 All right, if I win, I'll buy you a root beer. ;-)
2008-05-27 17:24:29
87.   cult of basebaal
whaaa? IPK left with the trainer?
2008-05-27 17:24:30
88.   nick
83 yeah, last year for a while it was working great...
2008-05-27 17:24:34
89.   RIYank
82 I puzzled over that one for about 45 seconds before jumping back to 74 . An obscure pitch count line..?
2008-05-27 17:24:45
90.   Chyll Will
81 Ollie's asking if you can go for another one?
2008-05-27 17:24:50
91.   Mattpat11
Why is Kennedy out?
2008-05-27 17:25:12
92.   Mattpat11
What is Wilson Betemit good at?
2008-05-27 17:25:19
93.   rbj
Hmmm. Injury to Kennedy?
2008-05-27 17:25:33
94.   Yankees Brasil
O's broadcast said he left with the trainer. Injured?
2008-05-27 17:25:34
95.   tommyl
Great, so IPK is hurt and Betemit can't catch a ball. Sigh.
2008-05-27 17:25:35
96.   cult of basebaal
orioles announcers said something about IPK leaving with the trainer, but didn't elaborate
2008-05-27 17:25:46
97.   williamnyy23
The Yankees need to solve this 1B defense problem. The Yankees are disproving the theory that defense at 1B isn't important.
2008-05-27 17:25:50
98.   SF Yanks
86 Actually, I think I'll settle for a mansion.
2008-05-27 17:26:10
99.   Chyll Will
89 I know all those numbers except 43... who?
2008-05-27 17:26:26
100.   williamnyy23
92 Hitting right handers!
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2008-05-27 17:26:44
101.   OldYanksFan
We have 4 1Bmen and Giambi may be the best fielder. Whaddayathink?
2008-05-27 17:26:44
102.   cult of basebaal
still, that was pretty damn lazy by a-rod ... set your damn feet when you've got plenty of time
2008-05-27 17:26:55
103.   Yankees Brasil
Horrible D tonight. Let's just not give it all back. Give one or two, but not four.
2008-05-27 17:27:29
104.   SF Yanks
89 Just my favorite Yankees :)
2008-05-27 17:27:57
105.   RIYank
Actually, I don't think we have a first base problem. Giambi should be the everyday guy.
2008-05-27 17:27:57
106.   Chyll Will
103 Guess they woke up again.
2008-05-27 17:28:30
107.   Mattpat11
100 Not well enough to justify the gaping hole of suck he is doing anything else.
2008-05-27 17:28:36
108.   SF Yanks
99 Whoops! Make that 34.
2008-05-27 17:28:44
109.   williamnyy23
101 It's close, but what is certain is only Giambi has a bat to carry his glove. Still, Jason does need some days off from the field, so it would be nice if someone else could do a decent job.
2008-05-27 17:29:32
110.   Mattpat11
Oh Crap.

I just realized who is going to take Kennedy's spot.

2008-05-27 17:30:10
111.   OldYanksFan
#43 is Razzle. Who is #51?
2008-05-27 17:30:32
112.   tommyl
110 Joba Chamberlain? That's bad...how? I'm more worried that the kid is hurt.
2008-05-27 17:31:02
113.   nick
I just looked at his career stats on bb-ref, and it's just inconceivable to me that a team with this bullpen can't keep Britton on the ml roster...
2008-05-27 17:32:21
114.   RIYank
109 True. It would be nice, basically, to have a LIDR for first base, I agree.

110 It's going to be Joba. Relax.

2008-05-27 17:32:34
115.   SF Yanks
111 It should have been 34, and 51 is Bernie. I still like him.
2008-05-27 17:32:35
116.   nick
....why not, eg, just combine him with Joba, different pitch # ratios, for the next three starts?
2008-05-27 17:32:50
117.   Yankees Brasil
That outside corner to LHB is huge.
2008-05-27 17:33:42
118.   SF Yanks
Any word on Ian?
2008-05-27 17:34:14
119.   3rd gen yankee fan
111 I was thinking Scott Proctor.
2008-05-27 17:34:32
120.   OldYanksFan
Jason's last 7 days: .500 .600 .813 1.413
2008-05-27 17:34:41
121.   RIYank
Is Lance Cormier this good? He wasn't last year.
2008-05-27 17:34:54
122.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Just checking in, anyone want to give a quick summary so I don't have to go back and read the first 120 posts? 8-4 sounds good..
2008-05-27 17:36:18
123.   RIYank
119 Now I have a tear in my eye.
2008-05-27 17:36:30
124.   SF Yanks
122 Home runs. Lots. Defense, bad.
2008-05-27 17:36:46
125.   OldYanksFan
122 Yankees winning. HRs by Giambi, JD and B2B for Bobby and ARod.
2008-05-27 17:36:53
126.   rbj
122 Bad second inning for Kennedy (now out with a possible injury -- don't know why he didn't come for the fourth) and horrible defense tonight by the Yankees.

But our offense has woken up.

2008-05-27 17:37:00
127.   Yankees Brasil
121 He's got a nice curve today. Also some movement on his FB. Still, he's getting a huge strikezone.
2008-05-27 17:37:29
128.   RIYank
122 We seem to have broken the Mediocre Lefty spell. Dingers by Giambi, Damon, Abreu, A-Rod. IPK was horrible in the second, pretty good otherwise, and left with the trainer, no further news on that.
2008-05-27 17:37:32
129.   nick
maybe Britton's too fat? but the pinstripes are slimming....
2008-05-27 17:37:53
130.   williamnyy23
I think the ideal candidate for the Yankees at 1B is stairing them in the face this series. Kevin Millar would be a very nice guy to have on the team. He's a pretty consistent league averagish hitter against righties and lefties, and plays a decent 1B. He is exactly what I was hoping Duncan would be.
2008-05-27 17:38:20
131.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[123-127] Thanks gents. Injury for Kennedy...maybe some "good" bad news if that means Rasner stays in the rotation??
2008-05-27 17:38:34
132.   3rd gen yankee fan
123 You gotta love a guy who sets his glove on fire.
2008-05-27 17:38:36
133.   RIYank
127 His numbers are good for the season. Anyway, it's probably better we're seeing him today instead of in a close game, huh?
2008-05-27 17:39:42
134.   RIYank
130 God, I would love to get Millar. He was my favorite Red Sox. I was so glad when he left!
2008-05-27 17:39:42
135.   Yankees Brasil
I hate Brian Roberts.
2008-05-27 17:40:01
136.   Chyll Will
IPK: Slight lat strain...
2008-05-27 17:40:26
137.   Mattpat11
112 Joba will start in five days?
2008-05-27 17:40:41
138.   williamnyy23
Girardi has to be very proactive in this game. Ohlendorf has faltered quickly as he tires in these long relief situations, so the Yankees have to make sure things don't get away from him quickly.
2008-05-27 17:40:41
139.   OldYanksFan
Hatteberg is available. He's a lefty but has been 113ish OPS+ in the last 2 years. Decent fielder and could be a BUC?
2008-05-27 17:40:42
140.   nick
is it just me or is Ohlie the definition of a 1-inning guy?
2008-05-27 17:41:51
141.   rbj
Sigh.
2008-05-27 17:41:56
142.   Mattpat11
140 Absolutely.
2008-05-27 17:42:04
143.   OldYanksFan
Holy fuck!
2008-05-27 17:42:05
144.   williamnyy23
140 Nope...the numbers seem to support that conclusion too.
2008-05-27 17:42:31
145.   Yankees Brasil
Here we go. Why can't Girardi see Ohlendorf isn't a long reliever?
2008-05-27 17:42:44
146.   williamnyy23
139 But he is awful against lefties, which doesn't really help.
2008-05-27 17:43:00
147.   Mattpat11
Again, I ask, is Chamberlain starting a game for the Yankees in five days? if not, who?
2008-05-27 17:44:38
148.   SF Yanks
This is turning comical; however, if they lose I won't be laughing.
2008-05-27 17:44:39
149.   rbj
147 Joba hasn't built up the arm strength to start yet. maybe they'll, aw shit, have a lottery and a random fan will get to start.
2008-05-27 17:44:40
150.   RIYank
147 Yes, he may well do it. Read Cliff's posting, dude! Don't be a freeloader!
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2008-05-27 17:45:26
151.   SF Yanks
Alright, now it's not funny.
2008-05-27 17:45:29
152.   RIYank
Uh. 149 wtf?
We need a new rule. Nobody's allowed to comment without reading the blog entry.
2008-05-27 17:45:31
153.   Mattpat11
Christ almighty
2008-05-27 17:45:33
154.   Raf
144 Like Farns but cheaper...

Jeez, Damon's getting his running in, isn't he?

2008-05-27 17:45:48
155.   rbj
Jeebus H. Crabapple.
2008-05-27 17:45:50
156.   Yankees Brasil
Why? Why?! Why Girardi? Why can't you see that he can't pitch multiple innings. This is beyond dumb.
2008-05-27 17:45:50
157.   williamnyy23
138 Damn, I hate being right. Seriously, how come Girardi wasn't thinking the same thing? We've seen it time and time again.
2008-05-27 17:45:52
158.   OldYanksFan
I don't know if I can take anymore of this.
2008-05-27 17:46:16
159.   cult of basebaal
jesus fucking christ
2008-05-27 17:46:23
160.   OldYanksFan
Oh my fucking God!
2008-05-27 17:46:42
161.   3rd gen yankee fan
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!
2008-05-27 17:46:54
162.   williamnyy23
Are the Yankees more than a .500 team?
2008-05-27 17:47:12
163.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
WTF?!?!? went away to toast my bagel and now it's 8-8???? I can't take this team much longer, they're giving me an ulcer...
2008-05-27 17:47:46
164.   rbj
152 Did read it. But got sidetracked by all the home runs.

Sucks to be Ross tonight.

2008-05-27 17:47:51
165.   51cq24
there are bagels in japan?
2008-05-27 17:48:15
166.   Mattpat11
157 Is there anyone in that group capable of pitching two or three solid innings?
2008-05-27 17:48:17
167.   3rd gen yankee fan
nick -- time for another run. Thanks!
2008-05-27 17:49:06
168.   tommyl
Um, even the foul balls are going 400 feet. Might be time to yank him Joe. Anyone has to be better than this. Hello, Cox, Britton, Melancon, please come up here.
2008-05-27 17:49:25
169.   Yankees Brasil
Not saying we will, but if we lose, this has to be a Girardi Loss.
2008-05-27 17:50:02
170.   SF Yanks
I want to hear the answer to the trivia question that they asked. Bet you it gets beaten tonight.
2008-05-27 17:50:06
171.   Raf
166 According to Kay, Ohlie may be TOFTT
2008-05-27 17:50:19
172.   williamnyy23
166 You have to go inning by inning and maybe even pencil in Mo for two. With Joba following Andy tomorrow, you may not need his services.

Allowing Ohlendorf to give it up is sleeping at the wheel, IMHO.

2008-05-27 17:51:16
173.   rbj
It's a short bullpen tonight.
2008-05-27 17:51:56
174.   Yankees Brasil
172 It seems more and more that Girardi isn't that good of a manager.
2008-05-27 17:52:01
175.   Raf
Though I do wonder how one can have a 12 man staff and still be shorthanded...
2008-05-27 17:52:36
176.   SF Yanks
I don't care about Greivis Vasquez.
2008-05-27 17:52:46
177.   RIYank
Ross Ohlendorf inspired quite a lot of prayers here at Bronx Banter, I notice. Not exactly the most family-friendly prayers, though. (What exactly is Jesus' middle name, anyway?)
2008-05-27 17:52:48
178.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
165 sure, although you have to go out of your way to get "real" textured bagels. many of them are soft and papery..one bakery nearby sells the real deal...along with curry-paste filled donuts and shrimp-flavored "morning toast"...snacks here can be a challenge... (note:no mention of this game in this post, i can't take anymore..)
2008-05-27 17:52:55
179.   nick
167 I can't run and scream unprintable obscenities at the same time...
2008-05-27 17:53:40
180.   Just fair
The O's are a close 2nd to the Red Sox for having most players on the roster that make me sick to my stomach.
2008-05-27 17:53:43
181.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
177 Hubert?
2008-05-27 17:55:01
182.   Just fair
177 Jesus H. Christ. I'll go with hallelujah.
2008-05-27 17:55:02
183.   RIYank
Yellow Light Cycle alert!
2008-05-27 17:55:37
184.   RIYank
(Or is it amber? Where's Bob Timmerman?)
2008-05-27 17:55:51
185.   nick
AL record, combined homers, both teams, is only twelve: we got a shot tonight..
2008-05-27 17:56:40
186.   Shaun P
So - quick summary (tell me if I have it wrong):

Yankee homers off LHP
Defense sucks
IPK good except for 2nd, now hurt
Ohlendorf crapped the bed
Girardi asleep at the wheel

2008-05-27 17:57:04
187.   rbj
Let's see. 7 relievers. Two went yesterday, now it's 5. One is Mo, so you don't use him until necessary, now it's 4. Joba is working tomorrow, so now you're down to three. One's already in the game so you're effective down to two men. May need to call up someone from SWB after the game.
2008-05-27 17:57:37
188.   dianagramr
Since 1956, most HR for one team in one game while not drawing a walk .... 6

(neither team has a walk so far)

2008-05-27 17:57:40
189.   RIYank
186 Like you were there.
2008-05-27 17:57:41
190.   OldYanksFan
So... how many more HRs do we need to win this game?
2008-05-27 17:59:01
191.   Mattpat11
175 The Yankees, for reasons that baffle me, build a bullpen around men that allow a lot of baserunners.
2008-05-27 17:59:30
192.   RIYank
190 Only one, if A-Rod hits it this inning.
2008-05-27 18:01:10
193.   Chyll Will
190 Many homers, me say many-many-many...
2008-05-27 18:01:54
194.   Raf
187 Hawkins & Veras didn't pitch much yesterday (~20 pitches), you'd think they'd be able to go today for an inning.
2008-05-27 18:02:45
195.   Mattpat11
194 But the game is close.
2008-05-27 18:03:22
196.   nick
Ohlie, from RLYW

Pitches 1-25
Opponents are hitting : .267/.329/.360

Pitches 26-50
Opponents are hitting : .324/.419/.486

...and that was BEFORE today......

2008-05-27 18:04:00
197.   Mattpat11
This team sucks
2008-05-27 18:04:19
198.   Shaun P
FWIW, I saw SWB play the PawSox yesterday. Scary Fly Ball guy lived up to his name - 3.2 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 2 HR. Lots of balls hit in the air. Other observations:

Gardner is Ichiro-fast. Damn.

I saw Britton upclose, and yes, he is fat.

Eric Duncan is one of those guys who just looks like a pro ballplayer. You watch him swing, you think, he's going to be a star.

Finally, speaking of bullpen help, JB Cox's slider is filthy-with-a-capital-F.

2008-05-27 18:04:30
199.   tommyl
Sooo...2 or 3 errors and some brilliant baserunning by the Cap.
2008-05-27 18:04:33
200.   rbj
Bad Jeter. Very bad Jeter. No cookie for you tonight.
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2008-05-27 18:04:58
201.   Chyll Will
What do you say to him when he gets back to the dugout? Wow, that was... was...
2008-05-27 18:05:10
202.   williamnyy23
That's disgusting..Jeter has been lacking all year and now he falls asleep on the bases. Talk about not leading by example.
2008-05-27 18:05:34
203.   OldYanksFan
Just threw up in my mouth a little...
2008-05-27 18:05:43
204.   cult of basebaal
wow ... just wow
2008-05-27 18:05:49
205.   Shaun P
196 I'm surprised Girardi doesn't know that. The reason the Yanks made O'dorf a reliever was because he sucked the second/third time through the lineup when he started.
2008-05-27 18:05:51
206.   Raf
194 Yep, but Dorf is getting lit up, so someone else has to get the ball... Hell, I'd take Farns in this spot
2008-05-27 18:06:19
207.   Chyll Will
200 No cookie, but Minka's in for a long night...
2008-05-27 18:06:35
208.   SF Yanks
He's still in?! Get him out! I don't want to see one more pitch leave his hand!
2008-05-27 18:06:50
209.   nick
I want to see Jeter fucking ROASTED in the media for that--and if he ain't, I will apologize to all the "haters"--that is utter horseshit.
2008-05-27 18:07:15
210.   Mattpat11
198 MLB.com was offering me the chance to watch Karstens on my computer. Somehow I passed on that.
2008-05-27 18:07:35
211.   Yankees Brasil
Talk about dumb baseball. Tonight we've seen bad pitching, horrible D, mental mistakes, a clueless manager.

At least the Offense showed up tonight.

2008-05-27 18:08:01
212.   Shaun P
208 I don't know what this means, but the kid is throwing strikes at least: 28 pitches, 24 strikes. Maybe that's because every hit is considered a strike, or everything is hittable in the zone?
2008-05-27 18:09:17
213.   Shaun P
210 He did strike out 6.

But yeah, you didn't miss anything. Traber and White got in on it too; they both gave up 2 HRs as well.

2008-05-27 18:09:17
214.   Mattpat11
This would be a bad time for Edwar to come crashing back to earth.
2008-05-27 18:09:56
215.   nick
in fact there has been one (1) walk tonight--which might suggest, perhaps, that the mantra "just throw strikes", like all other such mantra, is just ever so slightly simplistic...
2008-05-27 18:10:01
216.   RIYank
196 Actually, today his (Ohlie's) horror pitches all came before his 25th.
2008-05-27 18:10:14
217.   Yankees Brasil
212 It's because he was pitching down in the zone in his first inning of work. After that he left a lot of balls up, because we was clearly tired. Everybody knew he can't pitch more than a inning, everybody but our manager.
2008-05-27 18:10:54
218.   Chyll Will
211 You are referring to the one we just saw at second, or all the home runs?
2008-05-27 18:11:14
219.   nick
I still hate Girardi's decision there--why take the chance of having to bring in Edwar with a man on?

of course, a HR was the most likely outcome, so....

2008-05-27 18:11:22
220.   51cq24
215 i think "just don't suck" is better and more nuanced
2008-05-27 18:11:36
221.   SF Yanks
Hopefully Edwar is turning into something special here and will not start regressing so dramatically.
2008-05-27 18:11:38
222.   OldYanksFan
I think Jeter is unhappy about ARod's contract. ARod will be a Yankee in 2017 and Jeter might not be by 2011.
2008-05-27 18:13:03
223.   Mattpat11
Yankees signed Ben Broussard
2008-05-27 18:14:01
224.   51cq24
222 maybe, but do you seriously think that he was thinking about it just now and that's why he got picked off?
2008-05-27 18:14:07
225.   Simone
222 Jeter gets picked off and he is unhappy about ARod's contract. So does ARod's two throwing errors mean that he is also unhappy with his contract?
2008-05-27 18:14:29
226.   Shaun P
223 Just saw that myself. Hmm.
2008-05-27 18:15:05
227.   RIYank
225 No, it means he's unhappy with someone else's contract. Please try to pay attention.
2008-05-27 18:15:14
228.   nick
221 all we need Edward to turn into is "good setup man"--my sense is he should, but bullpen development hasn't exactly been this team's strong point....
2008-05-27 18:16:34
229.   Yankees Brasil
O's broadcast saying that when Roberts struggles, it's all the umps faults, because they are expanding the zone.
2008-05-27 18:16:35
230.   OldYanksFan
We just got a lefty 1B/OF/DH? Why?
2008-05-27 18:17:22
231.   tommyl
Oh man, those are two Mo like hits. Stupid weak dribbler crap.
2008-05-27 18:17:35
232.   SF Yanks
Edwar's missing badly tonight.
2008-05-27 18:18:03
233.   RIYank
228 You're giving him a "D"? Why? What did Edwar do?
2008-05-27 18:18:06
234.   Just fair
Egregious pick offs don't jump to mind, but that has to be one of the more unconscionable mistakes I have seen. Jeter's seen too many Jose Reyes lowlights recently.
I can't stand Melvin Mora. I don't care if he has triplets.
2008-05-27 18:18:15
235.   Yankees Brasil
Pathetic range, Jeter. Throwing this game away.
2008-05-27 18:18:57
236.   tommyl
Edwar rules :)
2008-05-27 18:19:06
237.   rbj
230 Yankees are collecting a whole set. Franklin Mint is out with a limited edition lefty 1B/OF/DH line.
2008-05-27 18:19:31
238.   Mattpat11
Holy shit

Wilson fielded a ball!

2008-05-27 18:19:58
239.   OldYanksFan
My comment 222 is not based on this game. When ARod opted out and Jeter was interviewed, he didn't seem the least bit upset that we just lost the best player in MLB. We don't think about Jeter as having an ego, but lets face it. This was Derek's teams for years, but it's not anymore. I just wonder if it has effected his motivation.
2008-05-27 18:20:01
240.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
234 that made me laugh hysterically for some reason..about the triplets :)
2008-05-27 18:20:15
241.   Simone
227 Aah, now I understand how it works. LOL!
2008-05-27 18:20:45
242.   Shaun P
230 This one can field at 1B! I think.
2008-05-27 18:20:50
243.   Mattpat11
236 I don't know what happened to the Edwar Ramirez that allowed baserunners a Karstensy rate, but I'm glad he's gone
2008-05-27 18:22:25
244.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
239 isn't it possible that Jeter is just slowly declining? still a great hitter for the most part but..maybe he won't actually break Pete Rose's hits record..
2008-05-27 18:22:50
245.   Shaun P
243 Karstensy - that's a keeper. ;)
2008-05-27 18:23:58
246.   Simone
239 Only a "fan"atic can come up with that weird rational for a player struggling. You add 2 and 2 together and came up with a million.
2008-05-27 18:24:46
247.   nick
239 that's the obvious explanation, of course, but when Jeter is discussed the obvious becomes obscured by a thick haze of intangibles...
2008-05-27 18:25:17
248.   nick
oops--247 was agreeing with 244
2008-05-27 18:26:16
249.   tommyl
243 PECOTA had him picked as the player with the highest breakout potential in all of baseball this year. I hope they are right, kid could find himself climbing the depth chart. Different pitching styles, but he sure does remind me of a young Mo looks wise. Super thin, all elbows. Ah, I miss young Mo.
2008-05-27 18:28:23
250.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
248 yep, Alex I totally agreed with your long comment over at Joe Poz' blog about this. (random note: my Mom got furious at me for saying A-Rod is a much better player than Jeter..she hates him and thinks he's a phony...yet she loved Reggie? fans are strange people indeed...she thinks Derek is the greatest Yankee since Mantle!)
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2008-05-27 18:28:54
251.   Mattpat11
When did Hinske stop sucking?
2008-05-27 18:29:04
252.   nick
as if this game wasn't bad enough events are conspiring for a "OH NOES NO JOBA!" shitstorm in the media tomorrow...
2008-05-27 18:30:30
253.   Mattpat11
252 Is "events" carny for "Farnsworth?"
2008-05-27 18:30:31
254.   Yankees Brasil
239 Either that or his playing hurt and getting old.
2008-05-27 18:31:23
255.   Mattpat11
249 I like old Mo too. :)
2008-05-27 18:31:44
256.   RIYank
E is for Efficient. E is for Edwar.
2008-05-27 18:31:47
257.   Simone
244 Exactly. It is very obvious that Derek is declining. All those hits to the hand and various injuries are adding up. He is losing his little power and simply isn't the player that he used to be. He may be lucky to reach his career average this season.
2008-05-27 18:33:09
258.   tommyl
No no no no no, this has got HR written all over it.
2008-05-27 18:33:15
259.   Mattpat11
I don't like this move.
2008-05-27 18:33:23
260.   nick
253 when Farns pitches, events tend to occur...
2008-05-27 18:34:08
261.   nick
Edwar out? fuck, Joe is overmanaging the bullpen like an absolute rookie...
2008-05-27 18:35:13
262.   Yankees Brasil
Yet another bad move by our manager.
2008-05-27 18:36:32
263.   Chyll Will
259 Wrap the hose around you and jump, McLaine...
2008-05-27 18:37:06
264.   williamnyy23
Finally a good throw from Abreu...although, I think the Yanks got a break.
2008-05-27 18:37:13
265.   Mattpat11
I hate Kyle and Wilson.

I'm pro-Molina and Abreu.

2008-05-27 18:37:17
266.   rufuswashere
Out at the plate. (Maybe.)

It feels like we're losing even though we're not.

2008-05-27 18:37:28
267.   tommyl
Thank G-d Abreu still has an arm on him. To left or center that'd be an easy run.
2008-05-27 18:37:39
268.   cult of basebaal
wait? the wacker is coming in? in the middle of an inning? with a RISP?

i was really hoping to be able to retire the "Clueless Joe" nickname this year

christ, even the orioles announcers can't figure out why farnsworth is in

2008-05-27 18:37:48
269.   OldYanksFan
I think Jeter is in some decline, but 34 is not that old and he has been is good shape his entire career. ARod thought he was in for a great year. And I am not necessarily making a direct correlation. But someone's state of mind effects everything they do. Do players have good years in contract years? Is Ichiro underperforming because he is bummed at the M's? YOU have never been 'soured' at work or in a relationship because of one specific event?

Again, it is not a statement as much as a question I wonder about.

2008-05-27 18:38:04
270.   Yankees Brasil
Abreu saves Farnswack sorry ass.
2008-05-27 18:38:04
271.   OldYanksFan
FINALLY! Bobby! Yes!
2008-05-27 18:38:23
272.   Chyll Will
Any bets on whether Trembley's still there when we get back? He kinda looked safe to me (I'm shocked Bobby threw it on line...)
2008-05-27 18:38:37
273.   RIYank
Whew.
2008-05-27 18:38:49
274.   OldYanksFan
And he was safe. Time for Instand Replay.
2008-05-27 18:39:17
275.   OldYanksFan
Instant...
2008-05-27 18:39:40
276.   Chyll Will
Okay, he was out.
2008-05-27 18:39:41
277.   Mattpat11
We need to trade Farnsworth. Taking him away from Girardi and Cashman is like taking a sharp object away from a child.
2008-05-27 18:40:33
278.   OldYanksFan
Wellll... maybe he was out. ERY close.
2008-05-27 18:40:55
279.   nick
ok, boys, turning point game: we score one in the top here and Mo pitches two--sound good?
2008-05-27 18:41:26
280.   RIYank
270 Kyle planned that.

I think Edwar owes Bobby an ice cream after the game, actually. Saved Edwar's goose egg ERA.

2008-05-27 18:41:44
281.   Chyll Will
277 Not as if they're exactly childproofing these games either...
2008-05-27 18:42:35
282.   Yankees Brasil
266 It feels like we lost this game already. Offense packed in. And pitching still looks bad.
2008-05-27 18:43:16
283.   RIYank
279 Good idea, save Farns for tomorrow.
2008-05-27 18:44:51
284.   51cq24
will we ever get to a point where managers have laptops in the dugout with them and actively discuss their decisions on sites like these?
2008-05-27 18:44:52
285.   RIYank
Good, now we can start the ninth with the top of the order.
2008-05-27 18:44:58
286.   tommyl
Just Farnsy being Farnsy.
2008-05-27 18:45:14
287.   Just fair
4 pitch walk. Thatta boy, Kyle.
2008-05-27 18:45:31
288.   51cq24
like this, that is
2008-05-27 18:45:42
289.   Mattpat11
This idiot is going to allow a run and then they'll call the game.
2008-05-27 18:46:02
290.   Yankees Brasil
Pathetic. Words can't describe how much I hate Farnsworth.
2008-05-27 18:46:16
291.   williamnyy23
The four pitch walk from Farns is the calm before the storm. This game is about to get away again.
2008-05-27 18:46:33
292.   cult of basebaal
leadoff 4-pitch walk???

DIE FARNSWORTH, DIE!!!!

and NO, i am NOT speaking german

2008-05-27 18:47:17
293.   Mattpat11
290 see 292
2008-05-27 18:47:19
294.   tommyl
292 Nice Simpsons reference there ;)
2008-05-27 18:48:16
295.   Chien Music
God Damn it Kyle!
2008-05-27 18:48:16
296.   Mattpat11
I don't like the idea of repeatedly throwing to Betemit. He's bound to completely miss one soon
2008-05-27 18:48:26
297.   williamnyy23
As much as we want to vent about the bullpen and heep blame on Farns and Ohlendorf, the fact remains that when you have starting pitching that can't give you innings, even 8 runs isn't enough. That's precisely why Joba should be a starter. With quality starting pitching, you don't need stellar set up men.
2008-05-27 18:48:40
298.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
292 brilliant Sideshow Bob. loved your one-man HSS Pinafer performance
2008-05-27 18:48:42
299.   Mattpat11
Playing with fire...
2008-05-27 18:48:58
300.   yankee23
296 Gameday shows he's thrown over there 7 times already... is this a glitch?
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2008-05-27 18:49:24
301.   tommyl
Losing this game on 1 run due to a rainout would be hilarious, in a gouge your eyes out kind of way.
2008-05-27 18:49:50
302.   Mattpat11
300 No, shocking as it may be, Wilson Betemit has caught seven straight balls near him.
2008-05-27 18:49:52
303.   Just fair
Krazy Kyle's got a little Sideshow Bob in em'.
2008-05-27 18:50:12
304.   williamnyy23
Does Girardi know Markakis is after Mora?
2008-05-27 18:50:12
305.   williamnyy23
Does Girardi know Markakis is after Mora?
2008-05-27 18:50:30
306.   RIYank
I'm not sure which is dumber: the sac or the IBB.
2008-05-27 18:50:30
307.   51cq24
297 "With quality starting pitching, you don't need stellar set up men"

you always need stellar set up men because even with quality starting pitchers you don't always get quality starting pitching

2008-05-27 18:50:33
308.   tommyl
Mo, Mo, please bring in Mo.
2008-05-27 18:50:43
309.   williamnyy23
Also, why do I see a double steal coming here?
2008-05-27 18:51:02
310.   Mattpat11
303 That's an insult to an eleven time convict.
2008-05-27 18:51:11
311.   Shaun P
Argh, this is the exact WRONG time, and pitcher, for an intentional walk! I thought Girardi was a numbers guy?!?
2008-05-27 18:51:12
312.   Yankees Brasil
Farnsworth is still thinking how he's going to fuck up this game. He can't decide if he should give a HR or just walk everyboy.
2008-05-27 18:51:14
313.   yankee23
302 Well color me impressed. But hey, Broussard is 3-3 in Scranton with 3 runs and 3 ribbies...
2008-05-27 18:52:28
314.   Mattpat11
313 Already?
2008-05-27 18:52:33
315.   williamnyy23
307 Right, but you don't win every game. The only time you need stellar set up men is when you can't get quality length from your starters.
2008-05-27 18:52:48
316.   tommyl
Holy hell, thank you Jose Molina.
2008-05-27 18:52:56
317.   Mattpat11
That's encouraging.
2008-05-27 18:53:11
318.   nick
the IBB with Farns should be banned.
2008-05-27 18:53:27
319.   Just fair
Krazy Kyle = hit, four pitch walk, sac bunt, near wild pitch, double play, holy christmas.
2008-05-27 18:53:31
320.   SF Yanks
You guys were saying about the intentional walk...
2008-05-27 18:53:51
321.   nick
318 regardless of what happens here.
2008-05-27 18:54:03
322.   OldYanksFan
The O's announcers just trashed the Yankees BADLY for how Joba was handled. They claim the Yankees PLANNED to keep Joba in the BP all year, and then moved him to starter because of Hank/panic.

I don't know where they get their info from, but they are way off.

2008-05-27 18:54:16
323.   yankee23
Yeah, he's got a walk and a couple of doubles. Let's just hope it keeps up.
2008-05-27 18:54:22
324.   Yankees Brasil
Holy shit. I can't believe my eyes.
2008-05-27 18:54:31
325.   RIYank
311 I know.
Maybe Girardi has some extra info? Brian Roberts' batting average against Farns? Or something? Because it's obviously a bad idea otherwise.
2008-05-27 18:54:42
326.   Mattpat11
Farnsworth bought himself two months of set up activities there.
2008-05-27 18:54:43
327.   51cq24
315 yes but you do need them sometimes, and when you do, they should be able to not suck
2008-05-27 18:54:52
328.   3rd gen yankee fan
Oh my god, is it really necessary to give us all heart attacks with this managing?
2008-05-27 18:55:01
329.   williamnyy23
Score or not, this game screams for two innings of Mo, so I hope Girardi doesn't "save" him for a lead that never comes.
2008-05-27 18:55:30
330.   Shaun P
320 I'm a means guy, not an ends guy. I like the result, but that's atypical of the IBB with a runner on second, 1 out, and a tie game late. Especially with Kyle Farnsworth on the mound, and the middle of the lineup coming.

OK, now let's see if Girardi does the right thing, and Mo pitches the 9th. Whether the Yanks score now, or not.

2008-05-27 18:56:05
331.   nick
I regard that dp as either
a) evidence for existence of a benevolent deity
b) proof that a malevolent deity wishes to prolong this exquisite torture
2008-05-27 18:56:20
332.   RIYank
Sometimes bad moves work out. I'm glad this one did.
2008-05-27 18:57:11
333.   Raf
297 With quality starting pitching, you don't need stellar set up men

Given the lack of CG's, I amy have to disagree with you

2008-05-27 18:57:17
334.   yankee23
325 Actually, Mora has a higher ba against Farns than Roberts. Good work Girardi.
2008-05-27 18:58:06
335.   SF Yanks
Nice hustle Johnny.
2008-05-27 18:58:11
336.   Just fair
I missed the first 5 innings tonight due to a b-day dinner. It's been shite ever since I began watching at 8-4. Sorry, all. Go Johnny, go. go.
2008-05-27 18:58:13
337.   Chyll Will
332 The blind squirrel and the nut?
2008-05-27 18:58:20
338.   nick
as long as nobody claims that kyle "induced" that dp...."lucked into", otoh, is acceptable usage...
2008-05-27 18:58:42
339.   Yankees Brasil
Nice baserunning there. Very nice.
2008-05-27 18:58:47
340.   3rd gen yankee fan
All right, redemption time.
2008-05-27 18:58:49
341.   RIYank
I can't believe Johnny did try for third! With the amber (or yellow, whatever) light flashing!
2008-05-27 18:58:59
342.   OldYanksFan
Nice hussle JD!
2008-05-27 18:59:06
343.   cult of basebaal
322 yeah, i'm listening to that too ... had to turn the volume down for a while until it was over ... christ, i'm so sick of all the stupidity rampant surrounding this decision

and ...

nicely done, johnny, nice

2008-05-27 18:59:09
344.   tommyl
Rain, great
2008-05-27 18:59:26
345.   51cq24
my favorite part was that robbie took it himself and didn't risk a jeterian throw to 1st
2008-05-27 18:59:51
346.   Just fair
I hope Derek's not think about his contract right about
now. : )
2008-05-27 19:00:38
347.   SF Yanks
Oh Derek, Derek, where have ye gone?
2008-05-27 19:00:41
348.   tommyl
Way to get it done Cap. Super Clutch!
2008-05-27 19:01:10
349.   Mattpat11
Low strike there on Bobby?
2008-05-27 19:01:16
350.   Yankees Brasil
Jeter should sit. Another pathetic moment for him on this game. Horrible.
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2008-05-27 19:01:19
351.   cult of basebaal
great game, captain, great fucking game
2008-05-27 19:01:38
352.   RIYank
Frig.
The bunt is a bad play even with a great bunter. It lowers win expectancy.
2008-05-27 19:01:40
353.   SF Yanks
That's outside blue!
2008-05-27 19:01:49
354.   51cq24
wow this strike zone gets bigger every pitch
2008-05-27 19:02:26
355.   Mattpat11
Strike three clearly was a strike Bobby
2008-05-27 19:02:56
356.   51cq24
355 but strikes 1 and 2 were not
2008-05-27 19:03:22
357.   Yankees Brasil
Why not call this game? The ump is obviously in a hurry to end this inning. Horrible strike call.
2008-05-27 19:03:36
358.   RIYank
Sweet, the O's return the IBB favor. (Though my gut did want to see A-Rod bat there.)
2008-05-27 19:03:50
359.   Mattpat11
355 Strike one wasn't even all that close.

But that's no reason to take strike three.

2008-05-27 19:04:26
360.   cult of basebaal
354 this ump has definitely got the "get through this inning, quickly!" strike zone going
2008-05-27 19:04:27
361.   Chyll Will
Just get a hit so Mora can complain, please...
2008-05-27 19:04:44
362.   nick
in my dark moments I fear that Jeter loves to bunt 'cause it's good for his rep...
2008-05-27 19:04:58
363.   51cq24
359 no but i believe he was arguing about the first 2, not the last
2008-05-27 19:05:07
364.   3rd gen yankee fan
Mats HAS to get a hit here.
2008-05-27 19:05:30
365.   Mattpat11
Joe is pissed.
2008-05-27 19:06:07
366.   Just fair
I hate Kevin Millar.
2008-05-27 19:06:31
367.   SF Yanks
This game is pissing me off.
2008-05-27 19:07:18
368.   Yankees Brasil
366 You should hate the Yankees. They are the ones who suck.
2008-05-27 19:08:43
369.   williamnyy23
Jeter really pulled the plug on that inning...that was an awful AB.
2008-05-27 19:09:20
370.   RIYank
Matsui put a nice swing on it.

We have to get Millar in pinstripes...

2008-05-27 19:09:33
371.   3rd gen yankee fan
Pete Abe wrote, "Meanwhile it's so windy that Edwar has been sent to the clubhouse." hee hee
2008-05-27 19:10:08
372.   RIYank
369 Girardi shouldn't have had him bunting. That was a big mistake. (I don't know if it cost anything, but it was a mistake.)
2008-05-27 19:10:16
373.   cult of basebaal
that was just bullshit umping there, just terrible ... that tarp should have been on as soon as it started pouring
2008-05-27 19:10:52
374.   3rd gen yankee fan
370 You know, I've thought this too. He's always been such a PITA playing against us, it really might do us some good.
2008-05-27 19:11:18
375.   SF Yanks
372 It was probably Jeter's decision.
2008-05-27 19:11:19
376.   Jeb
absolute horseshit decision by the umpire not covering the field.
2008-05-27 19:12:00
377.   Jeb
horseshit decision by the ump.
2008-05-27 19:12:16
378.   OldYanksFan
Now, can ANYBODY think of a reason to get Broussard?
2008-05-27 19:12:27
379.   Jeb
oops
2008-05-27 19:13:14
380.   RIYank
375 I doubt it. You don't want to be bunting there if the base runner doesn't expect it, right?
2008-05-27 19:16:35
381.   SF Yanks
380 Yeah, but Jeter ALWAYS bunts in that situation.
2008-05-27 19:16:45
382.   Jeb
378 No, he's as useless as Duncan.

His numbers are: .159/.225/.268 total

His splits against righties are horrendous, but we really don't need another guy that can hit righties. I'd prefer to grab Hinkse (who might be dropped for Aybar unless Auburn's former QB is dropped instead...

2008-05-27 19:18:12
383.   Jeb
382 I meant his splits against righties AREN'T horrendous.
2008-05-27 19:18:42
384.   51cq24
378 is there any reason not to (sign him, not play him)?
2008-05-27 19:19:09
385.   nick
I stand by 362 , but maybe only because of how pissed off this game has me..
2008-05-27 19:19:20
386.   Yankees Brasil
Any info on when the rain might stop, if it will at all?
2008-05-27 19:20:54
387.   Shaun P
370 True story. I remember riding the T to work, reading the Globe the day the story broke that the Sox were trying to get Millar out of Japan, from however he ended up over there (albeit briefly), and having a chill go up my spine, like nothing good could possibly come from it.

I've thought of that day a lot since October 2004.

2008-05-27 19:22:04
388.   RIYank
All we needed was for that Matsui liner to go through, and the inning would have been an object lesson in managing. (1) Don't bunt, and (2) don't IBB.

Oh well.

I'm gonna bug. The Banter is fun, but without a game I'm losing interest.

2008-05-27 19:25:48
389.   3rd gen yankee fan
386 It looks like the storm is moving through and there's nothing behind it... resume in an hour or less?
2008-05-27 19:35:06
390.   williamnyy23
372 Why was it a mistake? With Mo warming, one run is a win. A bunt is a fine call in that situation, and Jeter has to get it down.
2008-05-27 19:40:13
391.   williamnyy23
Watching this retospective of the 1998 season is kind of depressing when contrasted against the current team.
2008-05-27 19:41:14
392.   51cq24
391 yeah but i'm enjoying it. it's been a long time huh
2008-05-27 19:44:37
393.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
rain delay..boring work...yawn...Q: is Marv Albert the best lpay-by-play man of all time? in any sport?
2008-05-27 19:53:55
394.   Jeb
393 Let's see:

Baseball = Al Michaels
Football = Pat Summerall
Basketball = (I suppose) Billy Packer

2008-05-27 19:54:20
395.   Mattpat11
Does anyone have any ideas for a fifth grade science project involving a motor, light bulb, a switch, insulated wires and a battery source?

My sister has to create something that lights up and spins, and somehow this has been dumped on me, who has ZERO fucking aptitude in this shit.

2008-05-27 19:57:00
396.   Jeb
395 It sounds like you're describing a vibrator, but I can't place the light. JUST KIDDING

Seriously, I have no clue.

2008-05-27 19:58:12
397.   Jeb
So can Mo pitch now, or did the warmup and rain delay end his night?
2008-05-27 20:01:19
398.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
394 I like Al Michaels, but better than Vin Scully?
397 Mo can handle it!
2008-05-27 20:01:45
399.   Mattpat11
396 I have no clue either.

I explained to my parents and my sister weeks ago that I can't do this, and I guess they just don't care.

Its fucking infuriating, because I can't find anything at all.

2008-05-27 20:01:55
400.   Chyll Will
395 I think you can google something about salt-water electrolysis for your battery source. I know that would be (cheating), but it's been done so many times; it's a wonder she didn't find it first. I'll look...
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2008-05-27 20:05:47
401.   williamnyy23
398 Al Michaels was excellent in his prime. In fact, the team of Michaels, McCarver (when he was good) and Palmer on ABC was my favorite.
2008-05-27 20:07:20
402.   Chyll Will
399 Try this on for size, Mattpatt...

http://tinyurl.com/5zumdw

2008-05-27 20:09:35
403.   williamnyy23
Almost about to begin...I have a bad feeling about this game. Nothing will be worse than a late night and a loss, so hopefully they pull it out.
2008-05-27 20:12:59
404.   cult of basebaal
is the tarp off?
2008-05-27 20:13:27
405.   Jeb
398 yeah Vin's better. I really did it off the top of my head and I do like Al on TV
2008-05-27 20:14:15
406.   Chyll Will
402 (I always spell your name wrong for some strange reason...) btw, I noticed you rank third among Banterites with the most "objects" on Toaster, right behind Cliff and Alex (and 4 spots ahead of your duelling buddy William) Congrats! That's quite an accomplishment >;)
2008-05-27 20:14:50
407.   Jeb
it's really inexcusable that we're not up 9-8 right now
2008-05-27 20:15:36
408.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
402 how did you see that?
2008-05-27 20:15:56
409.   Jeb
406 how do you check that?
2008-05-27 20:16:20
410.   Shaun P
399 Can you swap out some of those things for other things? If you got rid of the motor and the battery source, and instead got a u-shaped magnet and two metal rods, you could build an electric generator that could power a very small light bulb. I did something similar to this (http://tinyurl.com/5wbr58) for a science fair project a long time ago.

If not, that site might have some ideas for you.

2008-05-27 20:16:23
411.   Jeb
408 jinx buy me a coke
2008-05-27 20:16:32
412.   Yankees Brasil
Same pitch was called a strike, a ball and a strike. Crazy.
2008-05-27 20:17:04
413.   Chyll Will
407 It's inexcusable that the Orioles even scored that much...
2008-05-27 20:17:46
414.   Alex Belth
Sorry, I'm late to the game...I've had some evening. But that Markakis whiff was incredible. Amazing that Mo didn't throw him one single cutter, everything fastball, outside, goes 3-2 and then blows it by him...Fantastic.
2008-05-27 20:18:07
415.   Jeb
413 I agree but when damon led off with a double... I'm just saying.
2008-05-27 20:18:20
416.   Alex Belth
Oh, WOW, he made Huff look silly.
2008-05-27 20:18:39
417.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
may be thinking of the wron guy but is Aubrey Huff one of those Lyle Overbay-Sean Casey-type slow, not-such-a-great-hitter white guys that many media members fawn over? was sure Baltimore had one of them...
2008-05-27 20:19:16
418.   Alex Belth
He better watch out throwing TOO many balls out there...
2008-05-27 20:19:35
419.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
416 am guessing Gameday is NOT donig justice to Mo's pitches right now then...
2008-05-27 20:19:38
420.   51cq24
417 yeah, he's a gamer
2008-05-27 20:20:01
421.   tommyl
Closer, tie game on the road? What is this thing I see?
2008-05-27 20:20:42
422.   3rd gen yankee fan
Beauty.
2008-05-27 20:20:47
423.   Jeb
let's score a damn run and get back to .500
2008-05-27 20:20:51
424.   cult of basebaal
excellent! game's back! good thing, too ... that was an expensive rain delay for my budget
2008-05-27 20:21:16
425.   Mattpat11
406 How did you findd that out?

Thanks BTW. I'll try it tomorrow when she wakes up.

2008-05-27 20:21:25
426.   Yankees Brasil
It's nice to see a good pitcher after so many bad ones. Mo is just god-like.
2008-05-27 20:21:32
427.   Jeb
I don't know if anyone's watching on MLB.TV like I am, but I like their 500 homerun commercials.
2008-05-27 20:22:04
428.   Mattpat11
I just found out there are two players in MLB younger than me. That's depressing.
2008-05-27 20:22:58
429.   Chyll Will
408 She blinded me with science...

409 Ken has a rare Fairpole post up and one of the comments included a list of who ranks highest on the number of objects on Toaster. Don't know how to check, but it's very interesting who's on that list...

2008-05-27 20:23:05
430.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
420 thanks. "gamers"...funny, but in Japanese baseball every player is a "gamer"..no choice in the matter!
Mariano- Le Tout Puissant Closer
2008-05-27 20:23:15
431.   Jeb
428 oh please. there's 700 younger than me.
2008-05-27 20:23:27
432.   Alex Belth
Nice...so I went to dinner with two old Sports Illustrated editors tonight, long-retired, down in Tribeca. Had a very nice meal and learned more about the heyday of literary SI, late 60s and early 70s. We finished early enough--they are O's fans--and I'm walking uptown and as I'm a block north of Canal on 6th avenue, I turn my ankle over on a pothole. Same foot I broke 11 years ago. Same one I tweaked about a month ago. I didn't hear a pop so I knew I was okay, but this was worse that it felt a month ago, so I jumped in a cab and high tailed it home. I heard some of the game with the cabbie, a Yankee fan.

Emily drove me to the Emergency Room in Greenwhich, CT, where she works, and it was worth the trip. I got great service, we were in and out quickly and I just have a bad sprain, torn ligaments, no fracture. So all in all, could have been MUCH worse. Plus, there is still some ball game left.

2008-05-27 20:24:36
433.   cult of basebaal
432 damn, sorry man ...
2008-05-27 20:24:51
434.   Alex Belth
Nice job of hitting by Wilson there...
2008-05-27 20:25:44
435.   Alex Belth
Thanks, man. Got crutches for a minute. Been there before, so I'll be cool. Again, I'm just relieved I didn't break anything.
2008-05-27 20:25:46
436.   dianagramr
432

yay ..... no trip to the DL for Alex!

2008-05-27 20:26:00
437.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
432 ouch..so no pick-up hoops this summer then? sucks..
2008-05-27 20:26:51
438.   Jeb
did cano really just take 2 pitches?
2008-05-27 20:27:16
439.   Shaun P
432 Ouch. I tore a tendon in my left ankle a few years back, was off it for a while, then had to wear one of those walking boots for a month. Sounds like you fared better than me, Alex.

Still, I bet the old-time SI stories were worth it. =)

Nice strike there, ump - when did 3 inches outside become part of the zone?

2008-05-27 20:27:28
440.   Jeb
Alex, are you day to day?
2008-05-27 20:27:32
441.   tommyl
432 Feel better Alex. That's got to hurt like hell. Luckily you have a good woman to take care of you.
2008-05-27 20:27:32
442.   Mattpat11
http://fairpole.baseballtoaster.com/archives/997503.html
2008-05-27 20:27:42
443.   cult of basebaal
435 they pump you full o' goofballs?
2008-05-27 20:27:47
444.   51cq24
428 i bought a cano t shirt a couple years ago and realized that for the first time i was wearing the shirt of someone who was my age. it is a weird feeling, but whatever.

computerize the strike zone!

2008-05-27 20:28:16
445.   Chyll Will
432 Wowzers, glad you didn't bust anything. Well, this had Long Game written all over it, so...
2008-05-27 20:28:23
446.   Jeb
pinch hit melky for molina and use moeller.
2008-05-27 20:28:28
447.   Yankees Brasil
That should have been a walk. That 3-0 pitch was low and outside. The umpiring has been ridiculous.
2008-05-27 20:30:37
448.   Alex Belth
No goofballs unfortunately...couple of motrin which ain't bad. Yeah, Emily is great in the clutch. At first, she rolled her eyes at the thought of going back to work, but then she didn't give it another thought and it was smooth sailing. Makes you feel grateful to be able to get good service at a country club hospital like that...I've sat through a couple of unpleasent NYC emergency room visits. Something to avoid if at all possible.
2008-05-27 20:31:52
449.   Yankees Brasil
There we go, that 1-0 pitch to Molina was the same 3-0 pitch to Cano. Cano's was called a strike, Molina's was called a ball.
2008-05-27 20:32:26
450.   JimCobain
I have a bad feeling about this...
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2008-05-27 20:33:01
451.   51cq24
tough hop?
2008-05-27 20:33:21
452.   Chyll Will
Btw, not for nuthin but I despised the SI cover that accompanied Verducci's "Bizzaro" story. My roommate, a casual fan at best, was so outraged that she threw it in the garbage before I got a second look. Man, I'm telling ya...
2008-05-27 20:34:48
453.   JimCobain
Ah shit. C'mon Mo. Lock 'er down.
2008-05-27 20:34:55
454.   Mattpat11
Betemit really does suck.
2008-05-27 20:35:33
455.   Yankees Brasil
Fuck. This will be a tough loss.
2008-05-27 20:35:49
456.   cult of basebaal
sigh
2008-05-27 20:36:41
457.   cult of basebaal
454 that's not an easy play ... rhb, you're not guarding the 1st baseline
2008-05-27 20:37:17
458.   nick
Mattpat, no TV here, but: is every ball hit to right Betemit's fault? geniunely curious...
2008-05-27 20:37:59
459.   nick
at least the goddamn Spurs are going down...
2008-05-27 20:37:59
460.   JimCobain
mo. Mo. MO!
2008-05-27 20:38:25
461.   Mattpat11
458 He's actually made several plays tonight. I was flabbergasted.
2008-05-27 20:39:23
462.   cult of basebaal
beauty, mo!!!
2008-05-27 20:39:25
463.   Mattpat11
That triple was in the second to last game last year
2008-05-27 20:39:54
464.   Mattpat11
Lot of balls from Mo.
2008-05-27 20:40:36
465.   Mattpat11
Damnit.
2008-05-27 20:40:54
466.   cult of basebaal
464 well, at least pitches that are being CALLED balls
2008-05-27 20:41:04
467.   Just fair
Jay Payton. Kevin Millar. Brian Roberts. Nick Markakis.
Boo. 1st walk of the year for Mo. How bout that.
2008-05-27 20:41:05
468.   tommyl
Um, weren't like three of those strikes?
2008-05-27 20:41:33
469.   JimCobain
C'mon one pitch, pop up.
2008-05-27 20:41:56
470.   Mattpat11
I think Payton's flinching bought some calls.
2008-05-27 20:42:15
471.   Yankees Brasil
468 Strike zone is different for each team.
2008-05-27 20:42:17
472.   3rd gen yankee fan
First walk of the year and it's May 27. Fuck Jay Payton anyway.
2008-05-27 20:43:01
473.   51cq24
471 team? you mean pitch.
2008-05-27 20:43:04
474.   Mattpat11
Okay. Bad Mo is still better than anyone else.
2008-05-27 20:43:21
475.   JimCobain
Ok 3 pitches, pop up... Now the question it's Wang's throw day does he come in for the 11th? Veras?
2008-05-27 20:43:43
476.   Yankees Brasil
O's announcer got it right. Ridiculous call, but O's pitchers were getting a lot more on that outside corner.
2008-05-27 20:43:58
477.   51cq24
by the way, does it make any sense that when they show career matchups they don't include the postseason? payton hit a hr against mo in game 2 of 2000. does that not matter?
2008-05-27 20:44:01
478.   Jeb
phew
2008-05-27 20:44:20
479.   3rd gen yankee fan
What about Joba, I thought he was supposed to throw some tonight?
2008-05-27 20:44:21
480.   nick
475 ooh! surprise them with the Wang? I like it!
2008-05-27 20:45:04
481.   Shaun P
475 In any case, the Yanks need a run here. Three would be preferable. 'Cuz its either going to be Hawkins or Veras, me thinks.
2008-05-27 20:45:19
482.   Mattpat11
479 Tomorrow
2008-05-27 20:45:41
483.   JimCobain
Here's the thing I didn't get about the Joba move to the rotation. Why didn't they sync him up with IPK? You figure IPK is the most likely to give you less than 6. Him or Moose. They had Joba throw for Moose, why not IPK?
2008-05-27 20:45:41
484.   Mattpat11
Send Damon if he walks.
2008-05-27 20:46:06
485.   Jeb
480 ya think?
2008-05-27 20:46:31
486.   Mattpat11
RUN.
2008-05-27 20:46:50
487.   JimCobain
485 No. Only Joe Torre is that creative with his pen ;)
2008-05-27 20:46:59
488.   Mattpat11
RUN
2008-05-27 20:47:21
489.   3rd gen yankee fan
Another chance at redemption for the Cap! What mortal gets these kinds of chances?
2008-05-27 20:47:32
490.   Mattpat11
Or do that.
2008-05-27 20:47:43
491.   Chyll Will
Holy...
2008-05-27 20:47:49
492.   JimCobain
There is nothing the captain can't do... Looked like Jeter bunted it to himself ;)
2008-05-27 20:47:58
493.   Mattpat11
That was going foul.
2008-05-27 20:48:02
494.   51cq24
i dont think you can make a worse play than that
2008-05-27 20:48:04
495.   Jeb
steal please steal
2008-05-27 20:48:10
496.   Just fair
Good ab by Damon. Won't you help me sing. Redemption song. SWEET.
2008-05-27 20:48:46
497.   dianagramr
Roberts would have had to have been 8 feet tall to catch that anyway .... Mora needed to eat that ball.
2008-05-27 20:49:05
498.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Salami time...
2008-05-27 20:49:25
499.   Shaun P
Woo-hoo! An IBB to load the bases, with no one out, and the MVP up!!!

RIYank is going to regret missing this. I hope.

2008-05-27 20:49:28
500.   Jeb
(I said steal before the error) Do any pessimists round here have a nagging feeling that even now we won't score?
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2008-05-27 20:49:54
501.   OldYanksFan
It always comes down to ARod!
2008-05-27 20:49:55
502.   3rd gen yankee fan
wtf just happened! They walked Abreu to get to Arod??????
2008-05-27 20:49:57
503.   Mattpat11
This team fucking sucks.
2008-05-27 20:49:58
504.   JimCobain
un-fucking-real
2008-05-27 20:50:09
505.   williamnyy23
Can Jeter have a worse game?
2008-05-27 20:51:02
506.   dianagramr
Let's move Jeter to 1B ....
2008-05-27 20:51:21
507.   Just fair
That's all we need.
2008-05-27 20:51:22
508.   Mattpat11
MATSUI!
2008-05-27 20:51:22
509.   JimCobain
MATSUI!
2008-05-27 20:51:25
510.   Yankees Brasil
This is beyond ridiculous. Yankees suck.
2008-05-27 20:51:26
511.   bartap74
503 ....or not
2008-05-27 20:51:32
512.   Shaun P
What happened?
2008-05-27 20:51:41
513.   OldYanksFan
FWIW: In Seattle, Sox down 3-0 after 5. Dice-K out with what may be an injury.
2008-05-27 20:51:48
514.   Chyll Will
Holla atcha boy, Jete!
2008-05-27 20:52:02
515.   dianagramr
Matsui .... professional hitter ....
2008-05-27 20:52:06
516.   Yankees Brasil
We need a couple more. Who's closing this game?
2008-05-27 20:52:13
517.   Jeb
500 we could have the bases load with 100 outs and not score.
2008-05-27 20:52:20
518.   OldYanksFan
51 Really dude.. what is the matter with you?
2008-05-27 20:53:17
519.   Mattpat11
I curse all of you who wanted to trade this man for Noah fucking Lowry and Jonathan Sanchez
2008-05-27 20:53:39
520.   JimCobain
WHo is pitching?????
2008-05-27 20:53:45
521.   williamnyy23
One run from that inning is not enough...Hawkins is closing now, not Mariano.
2008-05-27 20:54:14
522.   bartap74
520 Hawkins.
2008-05-27 20:54:15
523.   JimCobain
521 Doomed.
2008-05-27 20:54:38
524.   Mattpat11
522 Oh God.
2008-05-27 20:54:55
525.   Yankees Brasil
We needed more. I don't feel safe at all.
2008-05-27 20:55:16
526.   Chyll Will
519 John Rooney!
2008-05-27 20:55:18
527.   OldYanksFan
I would have had Joba up. 1 inning for a W is worth the 'disruption' in his schedule.
2008-05-27 20:55:29
528.   Shaun P
523 C'mon, its not like Hawkins always gives up runs.
2008-05-27 20:55:31
529.   JimCobain
Against the heart of the order. Oy.
2008-05-27 20:55:31
530.   Mattpat11
This is a buzzkill.
2008-05-27 20:55:41
531.   Just fair
You dudes ought to just go to bed. No use watching the boys blow this one.
2008-05-27 20:56:17
532.   51cq24
527 no it's not
2008-05-27 20:56:24
533.   williamnyy23
How could Jeter be so late getting to third? The infield was in, so he wasn't in dnager of being doubled on a line out. Then, Roberts looped the throw home. There really was no reason to not make third...a third poor fundamental play by Jeter may be too much to overcome.
2008-05-27 20:56:27
534.   OldYanksFan
Cripes! Manny ties it with #499.
2008-05-27 20:57:13
535.   Mattpat11
I hate Manny
2008-05-27 20:57:30
536.   51cq24
532 particularly with kennedy getting hurt today
2008-05-27 20:57:32
537.   OldYanksFan
Watching this inning makes me feel the same way as when your girlfriend say 'we have to talk'.
2008-05-27 20:57:42
538.   dianagramr
534

its Miguel Batista pitching .... to be expected ....

2008-05-27 20:57:56
539.   Just fair
533 Jeter is playing the role of anti-christ tonight, doncha' know?
2008-05-27 20:58:02
540.   williamnyy23
534 That's ok...as long as Mora, Markasis or Huff don't tie it.
2008-05-27 20:58:06
541.   nick
ok, I'm just reading on espn--how is that double play even fucking POSSIBLE? Jeter fell down!?
2008-05-27 20:58:30
542.   Yankees Brasil
533 Had he not been sleeping, this would have been a 2-run game.
2008-05-27 20:58:39
543.   Mattpat11
541 He sort of stood around for a while
2008-05-27 20:58:59
544.   51cq24
533 huh? the infield was in so he wasn't in danger of being doubled up?
2008-05-27 20:59:28
545.   Mattpat11
....
2008-05-27 20:59:32
546.   OldYanksFan
I guess they don't trust Veras.
2008-05-27 20:59:41
547.   JimCobain
Can we get lucky and have a hard hit ground ball for a double play?
2008-05-27 20:59:44
548.   dianagramr
Jeter is too busy selling Fords ....
2008-05-27 20:59:44
549.   Jeb
good thing we've got latroy.
2008-05-27 20:59:46
550.   Yankees Brasil
Here's good ol' Hawkins. Giving up hits.
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2008-05-27 21:00:00
551.   Mattpat11
Nothing like a pickoff move in three stages.
2008-05-27 21:00:11
552.   williamnyy23
This isn't going to end well...asking Hawkins to save this game is no better than a coin flip. The Yankees desperately needed to break the game open in the top half.

Losing this game now is not only insult to injury...it's salt in the wound.

2008-05-27 21:00:25
553.   OldYanksFan
Melky turns a JD double into a single. Bad news though.
2008-05-27 21:00:32
554.   Just fair
The Greek Nemesis nearly strikes again. Yikes.
2008-05-27 21:00:43
555.   JimCobain
Or get lucky and have the guy blast it to the warning track.
2008-05-27 21:00:56
556.   Mattpat11
546 Do you? Men that allow an assload of minorleague runners frighten me.
2008-05-27 21:01:01
557.   OldYanksFan
Is this Andy's throw day? Wang for 1?
2008-05-27 21:01:04
558.   williamnyy23
544 Yes...they infielders were in front of Jeter. The play is in front of him and he would have had plenty of time to retreat.
2008-05-27 21:01:06
559.   Chyll Will
548 among other distractions, to say the least...
2008-05-27 21:01:13
560.   rsmith51
I think I would replace Jeter at this point. Is the AG still on the team?
2008-05-27 21:01:19
561.   Yankees Brasil
Holy smokes. Thought that was outta there.
2008-05-27 21:01:51
562.   bartap74
552 I admit I only lurk here, so maybe on days when I'm not logged in, you're just a burst of cheer, but the unrelenting, constant negativity makes it very hard to enjoy this site.
2008-05-27 21:02:12
563.   JimCobain
Why the fuck would Jeter throw home?
2008-05-27 21:02:14
564.   OldYanksFan
AG in AAA, for Betemin.
2008-05-27 21:02:42
565.   Mattpat11
Someone needs to explain to me WHY THE FUCK WE SIGNED LATROY HAWKINS.
2008-05-27 21:02:44
566.   rsmith51
560 And Jeter throws home instead of third ...
2008-05-27 21:02:49
567.   Chyll Will
Time to go to bed now. Thanks for the use of the hall...
2008-05-27 21:02:54
568.   williamnyy23
Jeter pulls a 4th rock! He loops a throw home and allows Huff to take third.

Derek Jeter has played one of the worst games of an established major leaguer that I have every seen. He has singlehandedly costs the Yankees a win.

2008-05-27 21:03:02
569.   Yankees Brasil
Yankees suck.
2008-05-27 21:03:13
570.   nick
562 this game has been fucking agonizing, cut us a little slack wouldja?
;-)
2008-05-27 21:03:15
571.   tommyl
ugh, this is painful. I should have just watched Hell's Kitchen. Maybe we can hire Gordon Ramsay to yell at LaTroy. Britton, please, please, please bring him back.
2008-05-27 21:03:26
572.   Jeb
latroy fucking hawkins.
2008-05-27 21:04:09
573.   Yankees Brasil
565 To give up hits. They thought we didn't have enough pitchers who could do that.
2008-05-27 21:04:12
574.   OldYanksFan
I feel like crying.
2008-05-27 21:04:22
575.   Mattpat11
Remember folks, no one wanted Latroy Hawkins, so we clearly had to sign him.
2008-05-27 21:04:35
576.   bartap74
570 I wasn't alking about the site as a whole, or even the commenters as a whole.
2008-05-27 21:04:38
577.   williamnyy23
562 Thanks for the feed back. Feel free to cheerlead if you'd like (I don't concern myself with how others choose to post). I am more concerned about accurate assessments. Cheerful or not, the reality of the situation was pretty obvious.
2008-05-27 21:04:40
578.   tommyl
Oh beautiful, we're going to lose this game on the guy who pinch ran for Millar. Even on the bench he kills us.
2008-05-27 21:04:53
579.   dianagramr
why are they pinch-running for the runner on 1st in a tie game?
2008-05-27 21:04:55
580.   cult of basebaal
oh goody! 2 intentional walks!!!
2008-05-27 21:05:20
581.   Yankees Brasil
They wanna get beat by Alex Cintron. Great.
2008-05-27 21:05:26
582.   JimCobain
That one hurts.
2008-05-27 21:05:27
583.   3rd gen yankee fan
you just gotta wonder.
2008-05-27 21:05:35
584.   Mattpat11
573 I want someone to disprove my theory that the Yankees build a bullpen around allowing baserunners.
2008-05-27 21:05:57
585.   tommyl
I'm sorry, this is no longer small sample size. LaTroy Hawkins has to go. By all accounts he's a swell guy, but he's a horrible, horrible relief pitcher.
2008-05-27 21:06:11
586.   cult of basebaal
just fucking great
2008-05-27 21:06:25
587.   Mattpat11
This is fucking infuriating.
2008-05-27 21:06:30
588.   bartap74
584 They re-signed that Rivera guy. He's not particularly good at allowing baserunners.
2008-05-27 21:06:36
589.   rsmith51
Two blown 4-run leads, Jeter forgetting how to play...
2008-05-27 21:06:38
590.   Jeb
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I hate fucking latroy fucking hawkins. FUCK
2008-05-27 21:06:51
591.   3rd gen yankee fan
I cannot believe how fucking stupid this game was. How awfully this team played. OH MY GOD
2008-05-27 21:06:53
592.   cult of basebaal
Clueless Joe. this one's on girardi
2008-05-27 21:06:59
593.   nick
584 we build a bullpen around overpaying for ass.
2008-05-27 21:07:34
594.   Mattpat11
585 Nope. I was clearly told that we needed to sign LaTroy Hawkins because he was willing to sign for "only" 4 million dollars.
2008-05-27 21:07:34
595.   williamnyy23
Latroy Hawkins sucks, we all know that, but the Yankees lost this game for so many other reasons that speak significantly about the quality of this team. There are only three more games against the Mariners left and the Yankees haven't shown an ability to play consisently well against anyone else. .500 maybe exactly what this team is.
2008-05-27 21:07:48
596.   JimCobain
Great, it'll take another week to get back to .500 and out of last place.
2008-05-27 21:07:54
597.   Yankees Brasil
If we had a real manager, he would have used Hawkins for 2 innings instead of Ohlendorf, and would have a fresh Ohlendorf to pitch this inning. But since our manager thinks Hawkins is a better pitcher than Ohlendorf, he gets the chance to pitch high leverage innings instead of the more talented guy.

The Yankees suck, and you can blame a lot of it on Girardi. Clueless Joe indeed.

2008-05-27 21:08:07
598.   nick
memo to Cashman: DFA Hawkins and Farnsworth motherfucking YESTERDAY.
2008-05-27 21:08:20
599.   51cq24
the double play in the top of the inning was bad luck, jeter broke back towards 2nd because it looked like a line drive at roberts. but throwing home to allow the winning run to get to 3rd with 1 out is completely inexcusable. really really shitty.
2008-05-27 21:08:26
600.   3rd gen yankee fan
WOW this team really sucks! From the manager on down!
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2008-05-27 21:08:56
601.   cult of basebaal
569 no, No, NO!!! it's "the yankees suck ... theeeeee, yannnkeeeeeessssss succccckkk!!!!!"
2008-05-27 21:09:10
602.   3rd gen yankee fan
Excuse me, nick has a point: from the GM on down!
2008-05-27 21:10:00
603.   cult of basebaal
gah, g'nite ... i can't stands no more
2008-05-27 21:10:38
604.   williamnyy23
599 I don't think it was bad luck...it was bad base running. Jeter had the play in front of him and should not have been scrambling back toward second (both fielders are standing in front of him)! Jeter had plenty of time to get to third.

Between getting picked off, failing to get down a bunt and making a bonehead throw, Jeter played as poorly as you can imagine. I am sure Joe Po will have a field day with this game.

2008-05-27 21:10:49
605.   Yankees Brasil
I wonder how long it'll take for the media to start pointing fingers at Girardi. He deserves to be blamed a lot more than he has been.
2008-05-27 21:11:10
606.   OldYanksFan
This game was lost many ways, but you can't use LaTroy there. But who else? Would using Andy or Wang for 1 inning be too unconventional?
2008-05-27 21:11:16
607.   JimCobain
599 I thought the same thing originally, but, on a play like that I think the other fielders are calling to Jeter where to throw, he catches spins and throws. He still had a lousy game.
2008-05-27 21:11:58
608.   williamnyy23
598 And do what? Call up Chris Britton? Why should they do that...besides the fact that he pitches well every place he goes that is.
2008-05-27 21:12:50
609.   williamnyy23
607 Then at least fire the ball...instead, he seemed to be doing a Damon impression.
2008-05-27 21:12:56
610.   Mattpat11
598 Brian Cashman will never admit that mistake.
2008-05-27 21:14:05
611.   Chyll Will
605 Don't worry, as soon as they're finished chasing Willie out of town and out of baseball, they'll turn on Girardi as if their lives depend on it.
2008-05-27 21:15:43
612.   Mattpat11
595 Latroy Hawkins sucks, we all know that,

No we don't. If we all knew that, he wouldn't have been signed.

2008-05-27 21:16:12
613.   Yankees Brasil
Well, good night y'all. And remember, theeeee Yankeees suck.
2008-05-27 21:16:23
614.   Mattpat11
611 Girardi really has been a huge disappointment. He kind of sucks.
2008-05-27 21:17:07
615.   51cq24
i'm sorry but i really think blaming girardi is way off. all the decisions you think were wrong are at least arguable. the problem is the bullpen fucking sucks. ohlendorf sucks, hawkins sucks, farnsworth sucks, veras sucks. what's he supposed to do?
2008-05-27 21:18:23
616.   williamnyy23
612 I think a case could be made that it worth having a Hawkins around to pitch in mop up roles (especially if you don't want to waste a promising arm in that role). That doesn't mean he should be pitching high leverage. Still, my point was so many other things were botched beforehand, making it necessary to have Hawkins protect a one run lead. The Yankees can easily release Hawkins, but that wont solve all the other problems with this team. So far, the only positive thing you can say about the team is they are better than Seattle.
2008-05-27 21:18:59
617.   Bruce Markusen
It's time for Cashman to start taking some accountability for his pitching decisions. He was the guy who wanted Hawkins, who makes ANDY Hawkins look good by comparison. He's the guy who signed Farnsworth... and Igawa... and Pavano. (He's also the guy who has refused to cut his losses with any of these stiffs.) He's the guy who made the trades for Brown, Vazquez, and Johnson.

At some point, it just needs to be said: Cashman doesn't know much about pitching. And if your GM doesn't know pitching, he shouldn't be the GM.

2008-05-27 21:19:51
618.   williamnyy23
615 He could have used Hawkins earlier than later and allowed Edwar to pitch a little longer. Still, I agree with your main premise. Jeter is public enemy #1 from this game...not Hawkins and not Girardi.
2008-05-27 21:21:14
619.   51cq24
618 i agree about edwar but not about hawkins. none of us would have wanted to see hawkins pitch at all this game. it sucks that he was the only one left to pitch, but he was, and that isn't girardi's fault.
2008-05-27 21:21:48
620.   Mattpat11
616 I think a case can be made that Brian Cashman really, really sucks a evaluating pitchers.

And then he just HOLDS ON to them. Its like he's so desperate to not be proven wrong that he's determined to get blood from a stone.

2008-05-27 21:21:58
621.   Chyll Will
617 Good point. Good night.
2008-05-27 21:25:11
622.   51cq24
i've been a big cashman defender for a long time, but when it gets to the point where you can't even put together a decent bullpen WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BEST CLOSER EVER, he has to take a good amount of the blame. the bullpen is a joke. i wouldn't have wanted to see any of those 4 idiots pitching in that last inning. the guy has a $200 million payroll and can't piece together a few guys who don't suck?
2008-05-27 21:26:37
623.   Mattpat11
622 OHMYGODTHEYTHROWHARD
2008-05-27 21:29:28
624.   51cq24
617 which was worse, the trade for vazquez or the trade of vazquez?
2008-05-27 21:29:33
625.   williamnyy23
The problem with firing Cashman now is that the Yankees look like they are headed toward a second half firesale, and I am not sure that's a situation you want an interim GM to handle. Unless you could lure Billy Beane away mid-season, Cashman isn't going anywhere until the end of the season.
2008-05-27 21:30:59
626.   51cq24
625 well i'm not doing anything
2008-05-27 21:32:22
627.   williamnyy23
Man, I wish this season had a reset button...or maybe fast forward to 2009.
2008-05-27 21:33:44
628.   Mattpat11
625 Then hire someone to babysit him so he doesn't make any more damaging pitching moves.
2008-05-27 21:34:54
629.   williamnyy23
How sad is the ASG going to be? The Red Sox could have 4 or 5 starters and the Yankees could already be out of the race. Not exactly how they drew it up.
2008-05-27 21:36:34
630.   Mattpat11
629 I'd argue that with the acquisition and retention of awful pitching, this was the only possible outcome once the plans were drawn up.
2008-05-27 21:38:11
631.   51cq24
629 like the rain delay tonight, at least you can look forward to some nice replays of better days.
2008-05-27 21:39:02
632.   williamnyy23
630 That didn't stop the team from doing well in the past. Bad pitching is only the tip of the iceberg with this team. I wish a bad bullpen and no 5th starter were the only problems.
2008-05-27 21:39:40
633.   williamnyy23
I really hope they have an interview with Jeter in this postgame.
2008-05-27 21:39:53
634.   tommyl
Not sure why all the blame is being heaped on Girardi. He did go to Mo in the ninth. You know, the dreaded tie game on the road scenario. Girardi would have likely won Game 4, ahem.

I suppose you can quibble about going to Dorf when he did, but when both Dorf and Hawkins suck its really a tossup. This game is on Dorf, Hawkins, and Jeter. Had Jeter laid down that bunt, we wouldn't even be talking about extra innings.

Also, LaTroy Hawkins can't get Alex Cintron out? He's a pinch runner for the Baltimore Orioles! Sorry, he sucks, buh bye. Dave Roberts is at AAA, he's been lights out. Britton, Cox, and on down. All of them have to be worth a try over Hawkins.

2008-05-27 21:41:15
635.   Mattpat11
632 Winning in spite of he pitching should not inspire the continued acquisition and retention of bad pitching.
2008-05-27 21:41:43
636.   williamnyy23
If anything, Hawkins is accountable. Make you feel bad that such a nice guy could be such a bad pitcher.
2008-05-27 21:42:51
637.   williamnyy23
635 It shouldn't, but other areas of the team are catching up to the weak pitching...that's what is uninspiring.
2008-05-27 21:43:37
638.   Mattpat11
Oh God. He's near crying. I feel really bad for this guy.

As much as I dislike the pitcher, I really like the man LaTroy Hawkins.

I just wish I didn't have to see him pitch.

2008-05-27 21:43:43
639.   williamnyy23
Jeter AWOL or YES has a policy of not asking the Captain tough questions? I wonder.
2008-05-27 21:43:52
640.   tommyl
636 He's not bad, he's old. He used to be good, it happens.

I like him too but who else is he going to blame? Jeter, because then he'd have not had to pitch in this game?

Ugh, ok, time to go to bed and hopefully wake up happier.

2008-05-27 21:44:13
641.   williamnyy23
638 Why did he leave Colorado? Who advises these guys?
2008-05-27 21:45:37
642.   tommyl
Said this before, but if we're gonna lose, I'd really like to lose with all the kids and get them ready for 2009. We're not quite there yet, but I'd much rather see Dave Roberts or Cox blowing a late lead than Hawkins.

I agree though, I like him as a man. He seems sincere and genuine. He's not bad, he's just old and it just might be time to either hang it up or go pitch for the Pirates.

2008-05-27 21:46:17
643.   Bruce Markusen
Kennedy will be going to the DL, so perhaps that will open up a spot for Britton.

With regards to the GM position, I could see someone like Stick Michael taking it over on an interim basis for the rest of '08 before the Yankees try to hire a younger guy during the winter. Wayne Krivsky is available, I believe. (I thought he got shafted by Cincinnati.) Or perhaps they could promote Damon Oppenheimer, who has been in charge of the draft.

There's already been one GM (Krivsky) fired in-season, and there have been rumors that Bavasi in Seattle and Ricciardi in Toronto could be axed. So it's not an unprecedented move.

Just don't hire any of the following:
Allard Baird
Jim Beattie
Dan Duquette
Chuck Lamar
Dave Littlefield
Steve Phillips
or
Herk Robinson

2008-05-27 21:46:19
644.   51cq24
634 never heard of robertson before. 10 bbs in 13 ips doesn't look too good.
2008-05-27 21:47:49
645.   williamnyy23
643 Britton doesn't fit in on this team...he throws strikes.

644 That's more along the lines of what the Yankees are looking for.

2008-05-27 21:49:24
646.   Mattpat11
640 With the exception of a few seasons, he's always allowed baserunners hand over fist. I think he was more lucky than good.
2008-05-27 21:50:13
647.   Mattpat11
645 That's my gimmick.

One that people have yelled at me for, I might add.

2008-05-27 21:50:36
648.   williamnyy23
Crap...the Yankees don't play Seattle again until Labor Day weekend. Oh well, good night.
2008-05-27 21:50:43
649.   51cq24
melancon is the guy i want to see
2008-05-27 21:51:39
650.   Mattpat11
642 Wasn't that my logic in January? And didn't you yell at me for it?
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2008-05-28 05:17:03
651.   Raf
634 Any other situation, Cintron's flyball would've been an out. Jeter has to make a better throw, or at the very least, keep the winning run @ 2b.
2008-05-28 05:20:01
652.   Raf
622 Much of the payroll is tied to the offense;

Salaries
Jason Giambi $ 23,428,571
Alex Rodriguez $ 22,708,525
Derek Jeter $ 21,600,000
Andy Pettitte $ 16,000,000
Bobby Abreu $ 15,000,000
Johnny Damon $ 13,000,000
Hideki Matsui $ 13,000,000
Jorge Posada $ 12,000,000
Mike Mussina $ 11,070,423
Mariano Rivera $ 10,500,000

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