I like to think that's how I would have reacted, too, but in my more honest moments I have to admit that I'm too prudish.

Sorry, I'm crotchety on this beautiful morning in Gilroy (Garlic Capital of the World!). Anyway, nice write-up, Emma.

When it comes down to it I sure rather have a pitcher who is lucky and wins than a pitcher who has wonderful stats and loses. When did it become unfashionable to win. I just don't get it.

Does anyone know whom the Yankees will face on Friday now that Westbrook is on the DL?

I am unsure how it happened that I have become a Principal in the 'Johnny Damon's OK' section here, but I'd say he's really doing more than fog the mirror ... the obp (he's a lead off, remember!) is now at career average. Yes, I would rather it be there with a .280 batting average (that means more rbis) but for a dreadful, horrific, dump the bum slow start ... not that shabby. That ball got out FAST last night - and was no Cue Ball to Corner Right Field Pocket shot - for a guy who swings one-handed.

My wish list is now focused on Cano getting it together a month (two?) earlier than last year and ONE of Phil/Ian arriving as tolerable. (Two is pushing it in a wish list, right?) I hope I am wrong, but my expectations for the Giambino are very very limited. Maybe a hot month in there?

I share the bemusement at people wanting Joba kept for the 8th. I did find Cone interesting on the issue of his using only 2 pitches in relief and needing time and focus to bring the other two back. THAT is a good commentator's point. I CAN see a case if both IPK and PKH step up big, there's no urgency to finding him in the rotation except that - as discussed yesterday - he does need to get towards 130 innings or the whole process gets repeated next year. There ARE challenges to competing this year and setting up the future at the same time.

I thought the lovefest with Paulie on the number just outright sucked. I know WHY they were all kissing in the booth, but it was embarrassing. 'I doubt you know this, but Jeter and Posada and Mariano all went to talk to Hawkins ...' 'Thanks, guys!'

Please!

Ouch.

I dunno if I necessarily like Cone yet. He makes me kinda twitchy when he talks; I sense the same thing you do about his restraining himself, but to me it seems like he's a tad bitter about having to do so, and it colors his own commentary a bit. You almost get the sense he'd rather be in the dugout coaching.

Okay, I've found the downside of letting Billy Crystal play; he'll be on the talk show circuit for the rest of his life talking about it, and that will eventually seep into every performance he ever does on stage or film. There're few things more annoying than someone who realizes a dream of theirs and won't shut up about it after it's gotten old.

(Not cranky, just hungry >;)

Michael Kay - just call the game. Leave the other crap to your radio show. Baseball was happening on the field, and you guys were talking about a that crap? Gimme a break.

The burning question for me was why the game was blacked out on EI. Wasn't on WGN either.

4 Have you ever tried explaining "wins" to a sports fan just getting interested in baseball? Watching their brains try and spin their way around that one is pretty comical, and telling. It was back in the 1920s that sports writers first started to realize that "wins" were not the best way to characterize a pitcher, so they came up with Earned Run Average.

On a certain level, though, I agree with you, but probably not in the way you meant. If my team has a pitcher with lots of "wins," that means my team has a good offense (enough that if my pitcher gives up 5 runs in 7 innings he can still get the win); it means my team has a good bullpen (to not blow those 6-5 leads my pitcher leaves with); and most importantly, my team has a lot of wins. For a team, wins are the most important thing, but assigning credit and blame to just one player is downright insane, given the way baseball is set up.

Here's a list of pitchers, since 1993, who have had more than 10 losses with an ERA+ above 150:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/yjpm

Now, here's a list of pitchers, since 1993, who have had 15 wins with an ERA+ below 100:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/EbpG

Tell me.... from which group of pitchers would you like to select your staff?

Separately, I hate to be uncharitable to Contreras, but I think they finally dumped him when, after his family came to the US, he had one brilliant start against the Mets, which he then followed with a 6 start, 5.82 ERA July, including his third terrible start of the year against the Red Sox....

i feel bad for hawkins, and it seems like you can tell that hes the type of pitcher that would be affected by this stuff. either that, or michael kay has said 'he's a nice guy' so many damn times that im convinced of it.

I don't think we had cats on campus, but the squirrels at Union always seemed particularly wild and frisky in the springtime when I was there (late 90s). But, they avoided the bushes and used tree branches instead. Something tells me that's one place not on Chyll's list (or Johnny Cash's either).

O'Neill didn't exactly comport himself very well on the issue in my opinion, but it's kinda silly to expect someone who has been hailed as a "warrior" throughout and after his Yankee career to suddenly become magnanimous concerning a piece of his legacy. I'm taking a seat on this one, it's tabloid crap to pay the bills as far as I'm concerned.

Cliff, you need to update the sidebar I think. Isn't Javy going against Moose tonight? Who goes against Hughes tomorrow?

You're my favorite dorkus, Sliced.

Ruth Rodriguez, indeed.

13 It is my preferred location. ;-))

http://joeposnanski.com

Maybe it's me, but given that he had a good 1/2 year, I'd have to say it was an injury of some sort. Something happened in July.

Any report on whether the black cat, upon running into the Yankee dugout, either immediately keeled over and died at the foot of Mike Mussina or jumped into the lap of Carl Pavano, forcing him to go into rehab for a "broken lap?"

In 2000, Vazquez was 23, and threw 217.7 innings. He exceeded 110 pitches in 15 of his 33 starts.

In 2001, Vazquez was 24, and threw 223.7 innings. He exceeded 110 pitches in 14 of his 32 starts.

In 2002, Vazquez was 25, and threw 230.3 innings. He exceeded 110 pitches in 16 of his 34 starts.

In 2003, Vazquez was 26, and threw 230.7 innings. He exceeded 110 pitches in 19 of his 34 starts. 10 times he threw over 122 pitches. He led MLB in pitcher abuse points that year. Wood was second on the list; Prior fourth.

Maybe his arm was just a wee bit tired.

Not in my neighborhood it doesn't... >;)

Then again, what if the two black cats were Wayne Brady and Barack Obama? White cats looooooooooove the two of them!

I'll be at the Nationals game though, so i won't see it.

http://tinyurl.com/2cje4z

"Do you seriously find yourself struggling to imagine anyone ever being good enough to wear PAUL O'FREAKINGNEILL'S NUMBER? I mean, you had Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Ford, Stengel, Reggie — throw Mattingly in there if you want — and you're really booing and ripping a guy trying to honor Clemente because it offends your PAUL O'NEILL SENSIBILITIES?

I'm just in awe. I am. And then I read that Jeter and others may be trying to get Paul O'Neill's number RETIRED? Has the world gone mad?"

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Frankly, end of saga, or would be except for the excruciating stuff on air last night. "Thanks, guys!" KILLS me. And I do not think 'on the fence' is a legit position here, this is legacy and the proper assessment of it for a team that defines that. Being a warrior (which he was, though JoPo's funny as hell on that, too) doesn't excuse being delusional long after a career is over. O Neill could have and should have doused this.

I asked if anyone could ever wear #21 again, if it has been retired by beerheads. Someone said 'A Joba type.' But how do you START as a Joba type when you pick your number? And even if, say, a Sabathia came over (last night's version, please) is he going to be idiot enough to wade into THIS muck?

Nope. This sucks. JoPo nailed it.

I answered your question last time, and still maintain my response. Any popular home grown talent or quality free agent would not be booed for wearing #21. The bottom line is Hawkins (or any other journeyman reliever well known for being hammered by the Yankees) was going to be booed regardless...the #21 saga was just a convenient excuse.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/6010942805159246/negrodamus/

Just to say, if there was an inkling that this would be an issue, why not nip it in the bud before it blew up into this crap, hmmmm?

If Hawkins is really such a nice guy (and I believe he is), why would he have been so stubborn about wearing a number that has "universal" sentimentality attached to it, despite not being retired? And if you really want it retired, why not lobby for it after the first incident? I'm just not getting it...

There really is no reason to lobby for #21 being retired because I don't think there is a strong sentiment to see it happen. I just maintain that most fans want the next #21 to be a quality player with plans to be in pinstripes longer than one season.

Frank Thomas
Mark Texeira
Josh Beckett (pre-RS)
...

Only if the cats belong to Dr. Schrodinger.

Only if the cats belong to Dr. Schrodinger.