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2008-02-11 21:47
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The official reporting date for pitchers and catchers is still two days away, but a number of Yankees are already in Tampa working out. Jack Curry of the Times reports on Jorge Posada and Derek Jeter. Pete Abe reports on Joba Chamberlain, who is already working out with new pitching coach Dave Eiland. Phil Hughes, who has taken Sean Henn's number 34, is among the other pitchers in camp. He went to a NASCAR race at Daytona with Shelley Duncan and Ian Kennedy on Saturday, so count those two as in camp as well as Henn, Jeff Karstens (per Pete's post), and . . . Carl Pavano [insert joke]. There are others there as well, I'm sure. Up around these parts, my lawn is frozen solid, but news like that makes me think I can smell the grass.

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2008-02-12 03:34:00
1.   nemecizer
Oh, man, it's been a long, long winter and I am ready for some baseball! If it weren't for the Banter I don't know how I'd survive the off season.
2008-02-12 05:03:38
2.   Sliced Bread
Picture of Joba jogging with Kennedy in the NY Post:

http://tinyurl.com/ysj7qa

Looks like Joba's dropped about 20 lbs. Babyface Kennedy looks like a junior in high school.

From McCarron's notebook today:

ACHY HIDEKI: Hideki Matsui might not be at full strength when the Yankee position players begin spring workouts Feb. 21 because of lingering soreness in his right knee, the outfielder told Japanese reporters in New York Monday. Matsui, who is slated to fly to Tampa today to talk to team doctors and trainers, was examined by a doctor in New York. Matsui said he hopes to be healthy enough that he does not have to begin spring training under a different program than his teammates.

IF AT FIRST: Jeter and Posada took batting practice with Shelley Duncan and newly signed infielder Chris Woodward. Duncan was out early to take grounders at first base under the tutelage of Tino Martinez and stayed to take throws when Jeter and Woodward took the field. Posada did multiple drills with an eight-pound medicine ball, tossing it high in the air from a variety of angles. He said it's for "core and overall strength." Though he has been working with medicine balls for about 10 years, Posada quipped, "After a while, an eight-pound ball weighs a lot."

2008-02-12 05:09:56
3.   The Mick 536
Will someone please assure me that Carl Pavano will not be the Opening Day pitcher, again.
2008-02-12 05:27:48
4.   Sliced Bread
3 There's probably a better chance that Tino will be the Opening Day first baseman.
2008-02-12 05:35:53
5.   JL25and3
From CBS Sportsline:

"Oft-injured pitcher Carl Pavano arrived at the Yankees' minor league complex Friday and played catch for 12 minutes. A $39.95 million bust since signing with the Yankees as a free agent before the 2005 season, Pavano had rotator cuff surgery last June 5. It's not known whether he will pitch in 2008, the final season of his four-year contract. Yankees vice president Billy Connors and pitching coach Dave Eiland watched Pavano's throwing session, which was broken into two segments. The right-hander's throwing distance reached around 90 feet. Eiland plans to meet with Pavano and Yankees head trainer Gene Monahan Monday to discuss the pitcher's rehab program. "He feels great," Eiland said. "The ball came out of his hand well." Pavano, who threw in a restricted area, did not stop to talk with reporters."

2008-02-12 05:44:53
6.   Sliced Bread
5 Is this what they mean when they say Pavano "threw in a restricted area?"

http://tinyurl.com/23y2qp

2008-02-12 05:52:23
7.   ms october
2 yeah - joba looks like he slimmed down a lot. so, i guess maybe he will start in the pen - has anyone seen this anywhere else or just sherman? or am i behind and this has already been out there?

6 we will have to get george costanza on that.

2008-02-12 06:14:31
8.   3rd gen yankee fan
Well, I guess we better get back into posting shape.

p o s t - p o s t - post (repeat)

2008-02-12 06:20:42
9.   rbj
Dang, it's cold and we're getting snow here. I can't wait for spring.
2008-02-12 06:25:18
10.   Mike T
I've been in hibernation for far too long. Thank goodness for basketball, because football just doesn't do it for me sportswise. Although, the result of the Super Bowl was very gratifying.

Are you guys ready for some baseball?

2008-02-12 06:38:27
11.   Yankee Fan In Boston
i went to the batting cage on sunday. it felt so good to swing a bat.

although the thermometer says it is still winter, the days are getting noticeably longer.

the anticipation of this season seems more pressing than it was in recent years. maybe they all do, but i am really, ridiculously excited.

2008-02-12 06:42:44
12.   wsporter
6 "Pavano threw in a restricted area?" Wow, I'm amazed and gratified that a pizan could even get into a restricted area! Free at last, Free at last. If my grandfather could only have seen this. America, what a country.

Since Pavano did in fact throw, when will he be released from the hospital? Anyone think he'll be ready to perform that trick again by August?

2008-02-12 06:52:02
13.   joe in boston
Everyone is ready to go on the Banter ! Put me in coach !

It's time for baseball ! Personally, thank God for ...
a) the Jints
b) my recent trip to Joisey which included a driveby the new/old Stadium(s)
c) the Banter

2008-02-12 07:11:48
14.   Knuckles
So lets see...$40M, 12 minutes of catch.
Pavano "earned" roughly $3.3M per minute yesterday.
Figure 10 throws per minute, that's $333,000 per throw, or about 5x what we paid Clemens last year.
2008-02-12 07:35:37
15.   YankeeInMichigan
5 Rotator cuff surgery? I though Pavano had TJ?
2008-02-12 07:52:11
16.   weeping for brunnhilde
11 Longer, yes, but alas, not warmer. :(
2008-02-12 07:55:15
17.   Shaun P
15 I'm stumped; I can't name a surgery Pavano hasn't had, or hasn't claimed he needed. Maybe the boys at 245 Park Ave will help us all out, and create a special 15-year DL just for Carl. It would solve a lot of problems.

Sun shining? Check.
Players at camp? Check.
Pavano jokes in mid-season form? Check.

Its like spring training is here early!

2008-02-12 08:08:16
18.   OldYanksFan
Well, I just read the 2 links to the NYT's articles on Jorge and Jeter.
And guess what! BIG NEWS

"For one thing," Jeter said, "I'll call him Joe."

Thank God for the press!

2008-02-12 08:09:57
19.   YankeeInMichigan
Pete Abe has informed us that Mientkiewicz has signed with the Pirates? Why is it that all Yankee cast-offs seem to end up in Pittsburgh or Cincinatti?
2008-02-12 08:11:50
20.   Zack
Finally, the ST fluff pieces are starting to come in and I can shake off the rust of a long winter. Of course, its 75 degrees here in San Diego, but it HAS been rather rainy this winter! Yeah...

That Post article by Sherman raises a major issue: it talks about having Joba in the pen to find his successor by having them pitch in the 6th and 7th innings, which means Joba will still be reserved for the 8th. This is problematic because it limits his innings to 1 and keeps him further from starter stamina, and it also further reinforces his role as "8th inning guy." Oh well...

2008-02-12 08:12:37
21.   Zack
19 Because both those teams suck?
2008-02-12 08:14:31
22.   OldYanksFan
I do have some questions about this year's Banter:

Torre is gone.
Cashman's been good for 2 years now.
Girardi is a stud.
ARod has 2 MVPs in 4 years, and is a Yankee for life. He has also learned to STFU.
Our bench (JDMB) looks great.
We won't see Pavano in uniform.
DougOut is gone.
Cairo is gone. (I do miss him though)
We have a solid, maybe even above average BUC.

Wow. So..... who are we going to rip?
(oh... yeah... ARod has still not found Osama.)

2008-02-12 08:17:26
23.   bp1
6 Pavano jokes never get old.
2008-02-12 08:21:55
24.   Shaun P
22 Well, there's always Farnsworth (paging Mattpat) . . .
2008-02-12 08:29:51
25.   wsporter
15 It's ST for everybody, Sportsline is on their own schedule, they took it easy over the winter so they need some time to get in shape. Hell, given the time of year, I'm shocked they didn't report he had a hysterectomy.
2008-02-12 08:56:56
26.   horace-clarke-era
Joy in Mudville ... the Game is back.

I watch the swirling snow outside and think (so help me) 'At least there are no midges biting out there.'

2008-02-12 09:02:57
27.   mehmattski
24 I promise to rip LaTroy Hawkins for no reason, in mattpat's absence.
2008-02-12 10:12:30
28.   standuptriple
I'm hoping the more relaxed atmosphere will lead to a better start out of the gate. The last few April's have been hard to stomach. I must admit it is nice to reclaim the lead in the AL East (and the "thanks for keeping 1st place warm" jokes to Sox fans) after the All Star break, but I prefer the wire-to-wire method more.
2008-02-12 10:21:49
29.   RIYank
Yeah, good 28 point. And better yet, we could get off to the good start and still kick it into high gear in July and August. You know, win 104 games or something. At the personal level, Cano could do that -- not win 104 games, but have a decent April and May, and then contribute his typical superstar July and August. You know, now that he has the nice contract and can relax.
2008-02-12 10:24:17
30.   Simone
22 LOL! Without Joe Torre to blame for every loss, I expect nervous breakdowns all the way around. I will have to start visiting the game threads again out of pure curiousity.
2008-02-12 10:25:01
31.   williamnyy23
With GMSII officially stepping aside and Torre in LA, I think the atmosphere around this Yankee team will feel a lot more "fresh". Also, as much as the steroid controversey will be annoying to read about, it still beats the Arod drama from last season. My only concern, obviously, is Pettitte. Aside from having less time to prepare (does Andy know how to prepare without Roger?), I wonder if Pettitte's conscience will eat at him this season. Personally, I think he'll be fine, but you can't simply dismiss the lingering effects. Otherwise, this team seems a lot more focused (i.e., fewer distractions) than the past few seasons.
2008-02-12 10:26:53
32.   Chyll Will
p o s t - p o s t - post
p o s t - p o s t - post
p o s t - p o s t - post
p o s t - p o s t - post...

wowzers, that's a little harder than you'd think if you don't post on a regular basis...

(cricket, cricket...)

ahh, that's better. I'm ready for freddy, coach!

2008-02-12 10:30:56
33.   williamnyy23
28 29 I am most curious to see how Cano and Melky start the season. If they can find even a pulse in April/May, the Yankees offense won't miss a beat, even assuming a natural regression from Arod and Posada.

For me, the greater feeling of optimism stems from my belief that Girardi will more quickly read and react to his personnel. Unlike Torre, he won't repeatedly bang his head against the wall before trying something new. With all of the talent in the Yankees organization, that gives me hope that even if a Plan A fails, another one has a chance to succeed shortly thereafter.

2008-02-12 10:31:21
34.   Rob Middletown CT
22 Oh, there will be a new run fairy in the bullpen this year to pick on. Farnsworthless is an easy target. Igawa if he pitches at all.

I'm sure there will be opportunity to complain about the 1B situation.

And don't forget Moose.

2008-02-12 10:32:09
35.   OldYanksFan
Nice to see ya back Chyll. How's the weather down there?
2008-02-12 10:33:42
36.   weeping for brunnhilde
32 :)
2008-02-12 10:37:23
37.   weeping for brunnhilde
33 This is Melky's Year. He's ready to bust out and if he doesn't, maybe he never will.

I have confidence, though. His body must be a bit stronger with age and that should mean more of his groundballs will get through. That's the hope, anyway.

Also, by now the guy should have all the confidence he needs, should feel comfortable, at home, etc.

It's now or never, Melk!

Still, even if he can't quite step it up this year, I'd be happy to retain him as a bench player, especially if he can develop his base-stealing skills.

2008-02-12 10:40:50
38.   JoeInRI
22 Where's the Grit?
2008-02-12 10:50:54
39.   Andre
ESPN tv is reporting that Joba WILL start in the pen (definitely) and that Pettitte told congress that he asked McNamee "why don't you give me that stuff you give Roger?" and McNamee replied "because it's illegal."

Guess Pettitte and Roger really aren't going to be BFF anymore.

2008-02-12 10:59:31
40.   Shaun P
31 I thought the whole "Pettitte could be affected by the Clemens-McNamee thing" was entirely a creation of Buster Olney - who never fails to mention it as a reason the Yanks might need another SP, like Kyle Lohse! - but I think Pettitte will be just fine.

37 Oh, I don't know weeping. Bernie didn't really bust out until his age-25 season, so Melky might have another year left to really pile on. Of course, that season for Bernie came after he played 286 G in the bigs . . . and as of right now, Melky has played in 286 G in the bigs. !!!

weeping, you might be on to something! =)

2008-02-12 11:02:36
41.   williamnyy23
40 Pettitte has always been a sensitive guy. I can remember reading an interview in which he said he thought he had struggled because he started to really miss his kids. Also, emotions aside, I'd imagine Pettitte's workout routine has been drastically altered.
2008-02-12 11:10:49
42.   Chyll Will
35 If you're referring to the region south of Wakefield Avenue, it's kinda cold out here, but the skies are relatively decent. If you mean somewhere else, well, I've only been to Staten Island maybe four or five times, so I wouldn't know >;)
2008-02-12 11:36:59
43.   JL25and3
41 Pettitte is deeply tied to his family, and his religion. I suppose telling the truth, under oath, could bother his conscience enough to affect his pitching, but I don't see any reason to think so.
2008-02-12 11:46:08
44.   OldYanksFan
A little anti-climatic but:

"Joba Chamberlain will prepare during spring training as a starter, but will begin the season in the Yankee bullpen barring injury to any of the other five main rotation members, team officials confirmed to The Post. "

2008-02-12 11:47:19
45.   wsporter
I'm not really sure how other people feel about this stuff (I'm not sure how I feel about it) but it certainly makes me give something less than a flying fu** about the Mitchel Report and what Congress intends to do about it. Lets just play some freakin' ball.

Senate Approves Surveillance Bill, Preserves Telecom Immunity

"The Senate voted today to preserve retroactive immunity from lawsuits for telecommunications companies that cooperated with a government eavesdropping program, decisively rejecting an amendment that would have stripped the provision from a bill to modernize an electronic surveillance law.

Senators voted 67 to 31 to shelve the amendment offered by Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) and Russell Feingold (D-Wis.). A filibuster-proof 60 votes had been needed for the amendment to move forward."

2008-02-12 11:51:03
46.   Shaun P
45 A sad sad day, MFD.

Is it Thursday yet? No? Sigh.

44 Unless someone gets hurt or is completely ineffective (Moose), I think its probably for the best. The trick, AFAIC, is that Joba is in the rotation by, let's say, August 1.

2008-02-12 12:00:10
47.   Chyll Will
45 I'm not allowed to say what I feel about that. HOW I feel is another matter, but I'm just a bit too polite for that, too... you do realize they do this so that we lose all interest, if not hope for reform, right?
2008-02-12 12:03:21
48.   Chyll Will
35 I take it back. I just looked out the window... it wasn't doing all that snow crap three hours ago.
2008-02-12 12:05:15
49.   williamnyy23
44 It's not a horrible idea. In fact, it's an approach that has worked well in the past. Joba still only has one year of pro ball under his belt, so it's best to proceed with as much caution as possible.

Also, keep in mind, over the past few years, the Yankees have had more than enough pitching to make the post season. It's been in the playoffs when the pitching has faltered. So, if you can keep Joba and Hughes rested for October, then by all means that is the way to go.

2008-02-12 12:07:58
50.   williamnyy23
I could live with steroids when the accusations were confined to the greatest players in MLB, but now apparently, it has tainted the great game that is prison softball!! When will it stop?

http://tinyurl.com/3xflso

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2008-02-12 12:30:37
51.   Bama Yankee
32 I like it. Spring Training for posters...

Here goes:
The quick Andy Fox jumped over the lazy Wade Boggs.
The quick Andy Fox jumped over the lazy Wade Boggs.
The quick Andy Fox jumped over the lazy Wade Boggs.

What is Freddy Garcia...
Why is Damaso Garcia...
Where is Jerry Garcia...
How is Andy Garcia...
Who is Karim Garcia? (ahh, yes that's the one)

Whew, all that typing wore me out... it is time for a break (wouldn't want to get carpal tunnel)

2008-02-12 12:31:34
52.   Yankee Fan In Boston
45 well, they have nothing to hide, they've done nothing wrong, so they figure that if they grant immunity no one will have top go through the trouble of an investigation that would certainly be fruitless.

it is for our own good, i'm sure.

our best interests are at heart.

ugh.

2008-02-12 12:38:59
53.   standuptriple
I love that the Mitchell Report is turning out to be a Red Herring. Their biggest fish is a guy who is no longer in the game and the crappy upper management in SF. Bravo. Nothing to see here. Move along. Pay no attention to the Bud behind the curtain.
2008-02-12 12:44:18
54.   JL25and3
I hate, hate, hate the idea of having Joba in the bullpen. I'm a Weaver acolyte, and Weaver believed in putting rookie pitchers in the bullpen - but specifically as long relievers. That way a kid gets used to the majors with a moderate workload of low-leverage innings. Weaver also used a 4-man rotation, and there were more doubleheaders, so he could give a rookie the occasional spot start as well.

Putting Joba in an 8th-inning role accomplishes none of that. High-leverage innings, one at a time, several times a week, using two pitches; how do you get from there to pitching in the rotation?

I say by June, he'll be "too valuable" in the 8th inning to change it. I'm willing to bet that this will be the rest of his career.

2008-02-12 12:47:21
55.   williamnyy23
53 Here's another interesting element of the steroids debate (not related to Roger Clemens). Apparently, on the eve of the big hearing, Congress members heard expert testimony on HGH (ok, only a handful bothered to show up). Any way, here was one conclusion from an ESPN article:

The consensus from the four doctors who testified: Neither HGH nor vitamin B-12 appears to help athletic performance very much, although much more research is needed on HGH, which also has a litany of unappealing side effects.

"There is no credible scientific evidence that growth hormone substantively increases muscle strength or aerobic exercise capacity in normal individuals," said Dr. Thomas Perls, director of the New England Centenarian Study at the Boston University of Medicine.

2008-02-12 12:53:07
56.   williamnyy23
54 I'd agree with you if the plan is to use him in the same way as last season. If, however, he is used more like Mariano in 1997 (but not as frequently), then I think the move makes sense. The more concerning thing to me is the notion of demoting him to the minors to stretch his arm out. I would hate to waste a single pitch in the minors.
2008-02-12 12:56:51
57.   Eirias
Pavano is showing up to work and your grass is still partly frozen. It your home located in hell, perchance, because it must be chilly down there?
2008-02-12 12:58:16
58.   weeping for brunnhilde
40 Gtfoh, Shaun!

286, 286? Really?

Uncanny.

2008-02-12 13:00:11
59.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 Ha ha hah ah ah aha ha !!

That's so fucking funny!

Are you on acid or something, Bama?

2008-02-12 13:01:53
60.   weeping for brunnhilde
Btw, anyone know when the first televised spring training game is?

Counting the minutes...

2008-02-12 13:06:39
61.   Bama Yankee
59 Just B12, man... just B12 (only to recover from my carpal tunnel, of course ;-)
2008-02-12 13:08:55
62.   Bama Yankee
57 Well played, Eirias.
2008-02-12 13:10:50
63.   JL25and3
56 You mean Mariano 1996, yes?

Theoretically, it could work. But bullpen roles have become more ossified since then, and it's hard to see a manager using a guy like Joba in innings 5-6. Once Farnsworth gets hit a couple of times (that is to say, a week into the season), Joba goes back into a short role.

2008-02-12 13:24:13
64.   Eric
60 3/1 against the Phils
2008-02-12 13:31:06
65.   Shaun P
58 I know. I typed the numbers into Excel to make sure I was adding them right. God, I love baseball - you couldn't have that kind of completely coincidental but entirely eerie statistical event in any other sport.

54 A month ago, I would have agreed with you. But too many people have pointed out to me that Chad Billingsly did the short relief-to-starting gig last year, and he worked out A-OK. Developed his pitches and the whole bit. I think Joba will be fine. And I really don't think they'll leave him in the pen. Joba is definitely the first guy to get the call if one (Moose) of the starting 5 go down, or are ineffective.

2008-02-12 13:35:08
66.   Chyll Will
57 ,61 Good ones >;)

50 At first I thought you were being funny, but then I said "Wait, William? Funny? Take that back!" Then I read the article, and that's funny! What's even funnier is that I can't tell if you were being funny or your usual serious self, which sometimes is funny anyway. Funny!

What do you think, Weep?

2008-02-12 13:35:16
67.   williamnyy23
63 Yes...I strayed one digit too far on the keyboard. Hopefully, Girardi will prove more flexible than Joe and realize that Joba would be better served pitching in longer, but less frequent stints.
2008-02-12 13:41:30
68.   williamnyy23
65 The Dodgers didn't use Billingsley as an "8th inning guy" though. He pitched a lot of 2IP+ appearances before being integrated back into the starters role.

66 Me, serious? Sarcasm never seems to play well in the written form.

2008-02-12 13:43:05
69.   Chyll Will
63 I found absolutely nothing wrong with ossified bullpens.

http://tinyurl.com/2shruj

2008-02-12 13:46:14
70.   Chyll Will
68 I know.

>;)

2008-02-12 14:01:25
71.   mehmattski
51 And from game threads:

The pizza man... no
The Maytag man... no
The Mushroom man.. no

The Melkman delievers!

2008-02-12 14:06:17
72.   Bama Yankee
69 Good one. Nice picture, but was it too much trouble for them to get the names of the two "unidentified producers"?
2008-02-12 14:12:44
73.   Bama Yankee
71 ...and mehmattski shakes off the rust as posters and lurkers report to Bronx Banter Spring Training... ;-)
2008-02-12 14:22:48
74.   OldYanksFan
Joba I believe is limited to 140 IPs. Since I would think PS innings count, this is about 125 Regular season IPs (and assuming Joba isi in the BP for the PS), So basically, that only leaves 30+/- IPS for the BP in the first half.
2008-02-12 14:24:10
75.   wsporter
71 The Muffin Man? ... Yes.
2008-02-12 14:27:57
76.   OldYanksFan
poztars and lirkerz repoft to Bramx Bandir Strinj Trailimg...
pozters and lurkerz report to Bromx Bander String Trailing...
posters and lurkers report to Bronx Banter Spring Training...

I like the sound of that

2008-02-12 14:30:06
77.   OldYanksFan
40 Methinks that if Melky does not show this year that he is at least Bernie light that be beith fish bait.
2008-02-12 14:31:58
78.   Biscuit Pants
77 Is that Shakespeare?
2008-02-12 14:45:13
79.   Bama Yankee
78 That would be Yankspeare... brought to you by OldYanksFan, the Bard of the Banter. ;-)
2008-02-12 14:50:14
80.   OldYanksFan
There ain't many, but there is at least one quality sports writer in mainstream media.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=3242380
2008-02-12 14:51:58
81.   JL25and3
74 etc...I think there are two competing goals here: maximize Joba's contribution this year, or prepare him for a career as a starter. I don't think you can plan on both, at least not well.

If you want him to become a starter, Weaver's Law is the only plan that makes sense. With Mussina and two kids in the rotation, there should be plenty of opportunities in innings 5-7. He gets his innings in without being overextended, he gets to develop his whole repertoire, and you don't play games with his arm.

But, of course, it won't be as high-leverage as the late innings. It won't be as exciting as last year; Joba won't be coming in to shut the other guys down and get to Mariano. He won't be that go-to guy this year, he'll just be...pitching.

All winter, I've heard Yankee fans saying that they want to go with the kids, to build for the future rather than for one year at a time. But then you have to be willing to make some compromises, and that's where people have a problem. Frankly, maybe we need to lower our expectations for Joba this year. Give him a chance to develop, even if it means giving up a little this year.

If that's what people want, this is what it takes.

2008-02-12 14:53:10
82.   OldYanksFan
59 Just me and Bama (or Bama and I) sharing a little dust together.
2008-02-12 14:56:13
83.   OldYanksFan
81 I agree. But if the Yankees agree, my guess is there will be plenty of games where we have a 1 or 2 run lead after 5 or 6.

I really think the Yanks and Girardi and going to have to see how the BP shakes out and just how good (or how bad) it turns out to be.

2008-02-12 14:57:22
84.   JL25and3
76 i can has cheezburger?

(http://tinyurl.com/yw5rna)

2008-02-12 15:01:49
85.   JL25and3
83 My feeling is that they need to decide what to do with Joba, and do that regardless of how good (or bad) the bullpen turns out to be. His development should be more or less completely independent of that.
2008-02-12 15:57:07
86.   OldYanksFan
JETER SPEAKS! Audio at Lohud.
2008-02-12 16:11:46
87.   OldYanksFan
By the by, Dice-K finished 52nd of 79 qualifying pitchers in ERA with a 4.40. His salary (including posting fee) is $17.16m/yr. There is up to $60m in bonus money, but unless he approaches CY territory he wont see any of it.

So, what's to come of Dice-K? What kind of genius was Theo on the one? Would you be happy if he were a Yankee?

2008-02-12 16:46:09
88.   rsmith51
87 Count the ring, OldYanksFan, Count the ring.

This year will really tell whether it was a good move.

2008-02-12 17:16:23
89.   williamnyy23
88 Count the ring? Does that mean Eric Hinske was a genius signing too?
2008-02-12 17:51:03
90.   Chyll Will
72 No, producers are not worth noting, and are best seen and not heard >;)
2008-02-12 17:57:27
91.   RIYank
We should have a game:
Guess Who's in Spring Training?

I'll start. Guess who:

That's exactly right John.
You're exactly right.
You made a good point, John.
Good point, John.
It's like you said, John....

2008-02-12 18:00:36
92.   Chyll Will
91 Ronald Reagan?
2008-02-12 18:00:59
93.   JL25and3
87 , 89 You're divvying up the posting fee and counting it as part of the annual value, but I'm not sure I'd see it that way. Count the ring...The one-time, up-front payment of $50M means that they matched the Yankee payroll for this one year - and walked away with a championship. I'd say that was worth it, and now they've still got Daisuke, who may well improve.
2008-02-12 18:21:21
94.   horace-clarke-era
76 That made me laugh out loud. (End of a day, easier mark, maybe.)

As for the Joba innings at 140, the assumption made was that we'd get into playoff country (!) and that might involve another 20 or so? Three starts? So try to keep full season at 160. Same playoff issues may apply to Hughes, come to think of it ... and he's starting from day 1. Why I still want another back end starter, though it is hardly ideal.

2008-02-12 18:23:44
95.   Chyll Will
92 (too soon?)
2008-02-12 18:27:42
96.   RIYank
Ronald Reagan??? Who's 'John' then?

No, it was Susyn Waldman, of course!

2008-02-12 18:33:24
97.   Chyll Will
96 I knew, but I figured I'd go for edge (coughcoughJohnHinkleycough)
2008-02-12 18:39:36
98.   RIYank
Ohhhh.
I thought it must be some weird Alzheimer's joke. (Why is Alzheimer's funny, but not diabetes, let alone cancer, which is arguably the most unfunny topic in the history of human thought?)
2008-02-12 18:44:03
99.   Shaun P
94 As long as Hughes is the 5th starter, and I imagine he will be, it'll be OK. He'll get skipped early on (and often) and who knows? Maybe the Yanks will have him in the minors to start the year, and try an 11-man staff for a couple of weeks!

96 On XM the other night, I heard Milo Hamilton say that, at one point, Steinbrenner wanted to hire him as the Yanks' radio man. Why this didn't happen, he didn't say, but all I could think was - oh, to be free of Sterling and Waldman! (Hamilton later said he prefers to have a former player as his partner.)

Of course, I say that having never heard him call anything, outside of the famous replay of Aaron's 715th home run. But I like how he handled the interview.

2008-02-12 18:46:25
100.   Chyll Will
98 Yep, too soon.

Nah, I wouldn't joke about that stuff, but the closest I've come to it is this:

"What do prostate patients and Gerber Baby Food have in common?

They both have strained peas..."

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2008-02-12 19:03:07
101.   Chyll Will
(aaaand the crickets warm up by doing their stretch routine...) :p
2008-02-12 19:05:04
102.   Bruce Markusen
A quick update on player moves: Kevin Mench has signed with the Rangers, so cross him off the Yankee list. This could make Ensberg and Duncan more important to the cause against left-handed pitching.
2008-02-12 19:15:39
103.   wsporter
102 Very nice segway Bruce. You may well have saved an innocent thread from an untimely demise. Now Chyll, go to your room. "Strained Peas" indeed.
2008-02-12 19:22:35
104.   Chyll Will
103 yes sir...
2008-02-12 19:32:48
105.   williamnyy23
93 It doesn't matter how you spread the money out for accounting reasons. The bottom line is the Red Sox had to lay out $50mn, which in present value terms would actually be greater than $10mn over 5 years. Ultimately, the total expenditure for Dice-K will determine whether it was a good signing; the annual allocation really isn't important.

Again, I don't get the count the ring argument. Essentially, any slighly above average pitcher would have contributed what Dice-K did. It's hard to argue that the Red Sox would not have won the World Series without spending so much on Dice K.

2008-02-12 19:33:47
106.   williamnyy23
98 Alzheimer's is funny?
2008-02-12 20:07:49
107.   OldYanksFan
Can I assume that everybody is back to checking out Pete's Lohud Blog? He's now down in Tampa and covering the team everyday.

I think he's really taking to blogging, and seems to have a sense of having his own domain. He keeps insisting he's a newspaper writer first, and the blog is secondary, but his commitment and mutliple daily posts speaks for itself. Even on vacation and with his family, he can't stay away from posting.

I have to imagine he is about the ultimate inside scoop on the Yankees. It also seems from the tone of his interviews, that players and people take to him.

So time to put Lohud back on your morning agendas. I don't want to have to feel responsible for keeping yuz guys current.

P.S. Jeter's interview was pretty good. The guy is still smooth as silk and the ultimate in 'really? I didn't know'. But he actually offered a few opinions and was about as open as he gets.

2008-02-12 20:19:19
108.   fgasparini
Someone mentioned something earlier about Melky developing his steal ability--

That would be great, but he sure needs work. His first step pushes him upright, instead of moving him laterally like a sprinter. And when he runs he kind of looks like he's pounding the dirt with his feet.

If Rickey isn't in the Mets camp this year, we should get him in the Yankees'.

2008-02-12 21:00:46
109.   Chyll Will
108 "If Rickey isn't in the Mets camp this year, we should get him in the Yankees"

Well, there goes our seventeen game lead...

(ssshhh... shuts door) >;)

2008-02-12 21:07:53
110.   OldYanksFan
Really... Melky runs a little like he's wearing clown shoes.
2008-02-13 05:30:47
111.   bp1
Anyone know when the Clemens hearing is set to begin?
2008-02-13 16:35:36
112.   rbj
111 What's this about Clemens hearing? Is he going deaf? I haven't heard a word about him this off season

(he says as he moves the rock he's been under since October)

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