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2007-12-13 05:45
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

But first...

There is a possibility that Andy Pettitte could pitch for the Yankees in 2009. According to Anthony McCarron in the Daily News:

"That was another reason why it was an extremely, extremely tough decision for me to make," Pettitte said on a conference call yesterday, his one-year, $16 million deal with the Yankees finalized. "I realize the new park is coming in. I felt like if I made a decision to play this year, it could draw me back for another year.

"It's definitely in the back of my head. I can say if we get through this year physically fine and my wife and kids thought it would be fine and if the Yankees wanted me back, I can't say I'd rule it out that I wouldn't come back and play one more year in the new park."

Moreover, as Pete Abraham reported on his blog yesterday, Pettitte weighed in on the Johan Santana hub-bub:

"There's been a lot of speculation that we need a true power arm, an ace," Pettitte said. "I disagree with that. I think Wang is an absolute stud and he is an ace. I understand he struggled in the postseason this year. That's going to happen. I've struggled like he has and the next year pitched extremely well in the postseason. I'm so high on Wang.

"If you add one of those guys (Santana or Haren), great. They have great arms and are unbelievable pitchers. But to say we need it, that's hard for me to say. I think we have the talent to contend. Obviously, Boston is extremely tough, they've shown themselves to be the team to beat. They're champs and there are other teams, too. But I think we've got the talent to win another championship."

Elsewhere, with the Giants annoucning an Aaron Rowand deal yesterday, it doesn't look as if Godziller Matsui is going anywhere...at least, yet.

What's the Haps?

Like it or not, today will go down as a memorable one in with the Mitchell Report set to be released. Mitchell will give a press conference at 2 p.m. Bud Selig will have one a few hours later, and Don Fehr will hold his own even later still. Some people feel that this mess will rank with the Black Sox scandal. Others, including many sportswriters, are exhausted with the topic, and don't particularly care. I don't think this is as catastrophic as a strike, in terms of the public support of the game. I don't think it will keep heads from going to the ballpark next year, do you?

But I wonder how many fans are waiting on pins and needles for 2 pm? And are people interested simply because it's December and there isn't much else to going on? I know that the press can't contain themselves--it's been remarkable that there have been no names leaked to this point. I have to admit I'm eager to hear who is named, but it's in the same guilty-pleasure way that I'd be eager to look at an accident or a clip of Brittany Spears drunk coming out of a club on You Tube. In office buildings across the country, people will gather to hear the news, just like they did with the OJ verdict years ago.

It's not to say that I'll feel satisfied that justice was done when the names are released. There will be lots of questions to be answered about how the report was conducted, if it's legit, or if it is just a dog-and-pony show.

With the first snow storm of the year due to begin later this morning in New York, one thing is for sure: There will certainly be plenty of hot air to keep us all warm for the next couple of days.

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2007-12-13 06:24:23
1.   Alex Belth
You know, I didn't do the research on this, but did the Black Sox scandal have a negative impact on the gate during the early 20s?
2007-12-13 06:25:11
2.   liam
i didnt really think this was going to change my day much until i read this from mlbtraderumors:

"I did receive one tip on this topic - my guy says the Yankees are in for a bad day (but Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are not in the report)."

2007-12-13 06:31:30
3.   Yankee Fan In Boston
3 i read that as well. that could mean anything. the rodriguez deal has yet to be finalized though, hasn't it?

ugh.

2007-12-13 06:32:13
4.   Yankee Fan In Boston
3 oops. i meant to cite 2 .
2007-12-13 06:34:05
5.   Alex Belth
I'm most 'fraid about Bernie...
2007-12-13 06:38:56
6.   rsmith51
I heard 4 prominent Yankees and no Mets.

I am guessing no Red Sox(not including Canseco), but that is just my inkling with Mitchell's connection to the Red Sox. I heard that Mitchell did not talk to Canseco. I can't imagine that is true.

5 Agreed about Bernie.

Interesting that Rowand just signed yesterday...

2007-12-13 06:40:33
7.   Yankee Fan In Boston
6 no mets? even with the mets' clubhouse guy being an informant? amazin'.
2007-12-13 06:42:46
8.   liam
5 i'm most afraid about pet and po

7 theres also clemens/pettitte's trainer who was interviewed by the mitchell people.

clemens wouldnt surprise me, but pettitte would be a stab.

2007-12-13 06:43:12
9.   Sliced Bread
Christ, please, anybody but Bernie.

Good on Andy sticking up for CMW, but "I'm so high on Wang" is one of the funniest things I've read recently.

2007-12-13 06:44:38
10.   liam
8 or paulie baseball

(look im quoting me!)

2007-12-13 06:44:39
11.   ms october
1 No, doesn't seem to - a fair number of articles were published on this after the NBA ref scandal.
Here are attendance figures:

- 1919: 408,277
- 1920: 570,055 (record)
- 1921: 537, 957
- 1922: 551,011
- 1923: 542,025
-1924: 599,755 (record)
- 1925: 596,285
- 1926: 614,561 (record)
-1927: 620,179 (record)
- 1928: 568,893
- 1929: 599,261
- 1930: 633,266 (record, not broken until 1945)

I'm surprised names haven't leaked. It could mean players from the dynasty years - or it could mean current players. My biggest fear is a player who had a career year in his mid 30s at a position that dovetails at that age.

2007-12-13 06:46:39
12.   YankeeInMichigan
Rasner, DeSalvo and Beam non-tendered. Bruney and Pavano stay.

I'm sorry to see Rasner go. He was the most solid of the swing-man candidates. Then again, he was out of options, so if he would fail to make the club out of Spring Training, he'd have been gone anyway.

If Rasner becomes a solid #4 starter on another team, I'll blame Pavano.

2007-12-13 06:48:51
13.   RichB
0 Everyone is tired of the topic, but if active players get named, there will be tremendous pressure for a) the team to drop them from the roster; and b)the player to voluntarily submit to more frequent testing, especially if they claim they only did it in the past. Depending on who is named, the balance of power could shift dramatically.

Not that I think naming names is even useful at this point. I'm in the camp that says to forget the past and start making the penalties real from here on out.

2007-12-13 06:52:53
14.   E-Rocker
6 Yeah, if there is not a single Red Sock named, then this whole investigation is bogus.

Why this investigation wasn't performed by someone totally outside of the MLB is beyond me.

Of course the Yankees are in for a bad day, when the investigation is being run by the Red Sox.

2007-12-13 06:53:13
15.   cercle
11 I'm afraid Posada's on it, too. He would seem like the most likely big Yankee name to me. That said, it seems like all the "known" (or strongly suspected) guys have eventually had injury problems (knees, often) and Jorgie's been so durable.

I won't be suprised if Alex is on it. At this point, the report sounds like it's going to be long on speculation and a bit short on actual proof and his name has already been thrown out there (by Canseco). In that same regard, I won't be suprised if Clemens and Pettitte are on it.

2007-12-13 06:56:56
16.   pistolpete
4 prominent Yankees? My guess is we already know one of them - Giambi. That leaves 3 slots.

My money's on Clemens for another slot, so that leaves two openings that could break a lot of hearts today.

Just please not A-Rod. No more drama there, PLEASE!

2007-12-13 07:02:25
17.   Yankee Fan In Boston
15 yeah... i'll be upset if andy is on the list, but he's been "training" with clemens.if the suggested yankees tally of 4 is accurate, my guess would be giambi, grimsley, clemens, and (sadly) pettitte.

i'm guessing that nomar will be on the list. a token sox name to appease the torch and pitchfork wielding masses.

2007-12-13 07:13:24
18.   RIYank
I'm sure people are interested. But what is the 'list' going to be a list of, exactly?
From what I've read about how the investigation was conducted, the credibility might be pretty low. Does the list include everyone mentioned by a trainer asked to take a guess??
I'm pretty ticked off already. Maybe something in the report will mitigate my pissedoffedness, but I doubt it.
2007-12-13 07:16:26
19.   OldYanksFan
My compliments to mehmattski for his post on WW. It was very nice to read about the forrest without focusing too much on individual trees.
2007-12-13 07:17:20
20.   mehmattski
16 You know that A-Rod will be named, because he's a big name, and that's what this Witch Hunt was intended to do. Also, Canseco was probably a big informant and Canseco has already mentioned A-Rod's name.

The real question is, how legitimate is the report? Given:

1) Zero positive drug tests are given in the report.
2) The report is being conducted by the same "honorable" senator who fudged the report in the early 1990s that said that MLB was losing money- ultimately leading to the 1994 strike.
3) That same senator is on the payroll of a baseball franchise, and so is not an objective investigator.
4) Even without the drug tests, it's likely that most "evidence" will be based on hearsay by a convicted felon and canceled checks to a disgruntled clubhouse attendant.

and, from me personally:

5) If anyone on the Yankees took a performance enhancing drug, knowingly or otherwise, before it was explicitly forbidden by the rules of Major League Baseball: I simply don't care. They took a health risk to make themselves better athletes in the short term and my team better (assuming steroids help baseball performance).

2007-12-13 07:18:08
21.   Raf
Maybe it's the cynic in me, but after the Pittsburgh Drug Trials, and reading "Ball Four" a number of years ago, why should I care about steroids in baseball?

I wouldn't be surprised at any of the names on the list. Why should I?

2007-12-13 07:19:48
22.   Raf
And so it begins...

CNN Breaking news: ESPN2: Roger Clemens listed in report due out today naming players who used performance enhancing drugs.

2007-12-13 07:21:30
23.   mehmattski
19 Thank you, OYF. That was enjoyable enough that I might consider actually updating my blog more than once a blue moon.
2007-12-13 07:22:05
24.   RIYank
Add me to the Don't Care list.

22 Good, let Roger draw what fire there may be.

2007-12-13 07:23:39
25.   yankz
22 Saw that. Doesn't really surprise me or bother me, considering most of his legendary years were with Houston.
2007-12-13 07:24:21
26.   Alex Belth
10:20 am. Just started to snow/freezing rain in NYC.
2007-12-13 07:26:50
27.   yankz
You know who would break my heart? Tino.
2007-12-13 07:27:34
28.   rsmith51
I don't think most Yankee fans would care about Clemens.

It will be interesting to see if there are any dates associated with his "alleged" use.

2007-12-13 07:28:43
29.   Yankee Fan In Boston
27 ouch. i agree.
2007-12-13 07:29:04
30.   Simone
I expect Mitchell to smear the Yankees, period. If he doesn't get Derek, then I'm happy though. I'm not surprised by Clemens because I always thought that he used PEDs just like I always thought Giambi was using. Anyway most of the users have been pitchers trying to recover quickly from injury or avoid injury.

I just read Selig's statement about being proud about the report. He is a such a self-righteous ass. That is a fact that will never change.

2007-12-13 07:30:05
31.   Yankee Fan In Boston
i'm really hoping that josh beckett is on the list. i doubt that will happen, but i'd be smiling for days if it did.
2007-12-13 07:30:19
32.   Simone
27 Please not Tino or Bernie or Derek or Jorge or Mariano. I'll take just about anyone else.
2007-12-13 07:31:24
33.   OldYanksFan
The problem with the list is that it will be very incomplete. Those named with have the spotlight shined on them, while everyone else may be assumed 'clean'.

I don't know why the couldn't go to individual players, and without asking for names, just say 'How many guys on this team are you 90% sure used PEDs?'.

Ask 150 players, 5 on each team. No names every mentioned. Hopefully, with no names mentioned, guys would be pretty honest.

Releasing 50 names when there have been literally thousands of players who played during the 'steroid era' does little to gauge the impact PEDs have had on MLB.

Knowing that 'over the last 10 year, based on player surveys, we estimate 20% of players have used PEDs' would be a lot more informative, give us an idea of the scope of the problem, and take away any aspect of witchhunts and sensationalization.

To me, if you want to point fingers at names, and really expose the 2 people who had by FAR the biggest responsibility for PEDs in MLB, you have to point at Bud Selig and Donald Fehr. It is time to stop blaming soldiers and start holding the Generals accountable.

2007-12-13 07:31:29
34.   yankz
I wouldn't be shocked if Mitchell went after Clemens much in the same way Bush went after Iraq. Taking down a white man, possibly the greatest pitcher who ever lived, would throw the people who cry race off his back.

Plus, the Sox hate Clemens.

2007-12-13 07:32:20
35.   Raf
From the article;

Scott Boras, who represents a number of high-profile players including Yankee third baseman Alex Rodriguez, told the Los Angeles Times he hadn't read the report. He did, however, say he's skeptical because "the concerns of due process and the standards that apply to it are relatively unknown. Certainly, any results that occur from the report have to be looked at in the light that this is not a collectively bargained effort."

"I'm going to assume that a lot of the basis for this is hearsay information," Boras said, according to the Times. "It's not based on any kind of clinical testing, so it is widely a product of hearsay testimony. Without clinical testing or hard evidence, any report like this has to be reviewed with great scrutiny."

2007-12-13 07:32:21
36.   wsporter
I wonder how far back the allegations will meander. Are they looking at Mantle and Maris as well as present day players? Are they going to throw a little dirt on the memory of Roger M for example? I really don't want to know about that crap. I wonder who these bastards are going to smear.

Frankly I thought this investigation was a flawed idea when Selig first came out with it. They had no subpoena power, no discovery authority and no ability to really dig. They could squeeze only low level employees and those whom the Commissioner's Office had some leverage on (Giambi). We went round and round on this here 20 months ago. It seems now, if we can believe what we read about asking trainers to engage in speculation, that this thing may be a wholly unreliable tapestry of rumor and innuendo. I find it hard to believe that supposedly serious and responsible people are engaging in this charade.

These findings and the resultant evaluations aren't privileged as government action or shielded under the press liable cases. My fondest wish then is that the clowns who are foisting this nonsense upon us get it wrong on someone they name and land in the middle of a great big fat Libel judgment; that would be a very big smile.

It seems to me that everyone in the game from ownership to management to players to the press and the fans turned a blind eye to this for a long time. To ask only the players to bear the brunt of our "shock and awe" now seems grossly inequitable. Forget the asterisk and the blood letting; the steroid era is part of the legacy we leave to the future. We can't cure or fix that now even by looking to Saint George for help. We need to move on, grant amnesty to those who used prior to instituting the current MLB policy and make sure we don't continue or repeat the problem. If they catch players under the current testing regime punish them. Let society punish those who broke the law. We need to move beyond this nonsense. This report won't help us do that. I'd rather go back to perseverating on a Santana deal then focus on this crap.

2007-12-13 07:33:03
37.   mehmattski
1692: Salem Witch Trials
1957: Joe McCarthy's Red Hunt
2007: Senator Mitchell's Steroid Report

Blame Without Facts: An American Tradition Like No Other.

2007-12-13 07:35:33
38.   pistolpete
36 I think I read somewhere they only go as far back as 1995 - which leaves off (whew) Donnie Baseball.
2007-12-13 07:35:37
39.   yankz
36 Agreed.

I think a lot of little kids are going to be sad today.

2007-12-13 07:40:44
40.   ms october
30 the report should be renamed "the self-righteous ass report"

33 agreed. only those players who are linked to the "sources" interviewed will be fingered. in the same way that the feds chose to pursue balco and thus only those players linked to balco were investigated.

37 nice. (and i too liked your piece on ww too).

36 well said.

i read somewhere that radomski is upset that more players did not have his back. so even if he is the main source of names, did he just finger the ones he was mad at and not everyone he was supposedly selling to? there are just holes on so many levels.

2007-12-13 07:40:52
41.   yankz
Taken from the BTF thread: "This day is gonna suck. I can't really muster the above-it-all too-cool mood that pervades all things BTF. I'm just generally sad."
2007-12-13 07:40:55
42.   OldYanksFan
36 I like that idea. Maybe Boras can help organize a libel class action suit. This may not only cause many players to lose (contract) money, but their place in the HOF and their public reputation.

And if they say so-and-so is a Steroid user, yet he has passed multiple tests in the past, what does this say about testing? About MLB's solution?

This whole thing stinks.
The idea of a lawsuit to take down Selig via Mitchell has brightened my day.

2007-12-13 07:42:13
43.   Comrade Al
37 I am pretty sure there were no witches in Salem in 1692.
2007-12-13 07:43:45
44.   Yankee Fan In Boston
43 that makes you a witch.
2007-12-13 07:44:10
45.   OldYanksFan
44 No... I would agree... but they didn't stop them from burning many woman alive.
2007-12-13 07:44:43
46.   Raf
42 If they managed to dodge the Expos' RICO bullet, I'd wager they'd dodge this bullet too. Matter of fact, given the reaction in the court of public opinion, I'd say they already have.
2007-12-13 07:45:01
47.   RIYank
42 Uh, yeah, suing a United States Senator for libeling players in an official report. Good luck.

But maybe the players and their hired guns can collectively respond in some way, without looking horrible? Time for those agents to start earning their tithe.

2007-12-13 07:45:53
48.   Raf
46 Selig, not Selig & Mitchell (though he managed to avoid any fallout from 1994)...
2007-12-13 07:46:01
49.   yankz
Has anybody heard of a single fan, player, coach, or member of the media who is glad they did this? Does anybody besides Selig and Mitchell think this is a good idea?
2007-12-13 07:47:10
50.   NJYankee41
I'm just going to throw this one out there. Does anyone think there is a chance Nolan Ryan was juicing towards the end of his career? He was baseball's first real workout freak and pitched unitl he was 47.
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2007-12-13 07:47:27
51.   wsporter
37 Nice job at WW yesterday! Steve L. needs to get a grip or a girl friend or maybe both. What did Ca$h ever do to him?
2007-12-13 07:47:28
52.   Raf
43 ,44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
2007-12-13 07:48:20
53.   OldYanksFan
"Both lawyers told ESPN that the report assigns blame for the rise of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball "from top to bottom," and recommends that MLB and the union agree to outsource their drug testing program to an independent agency.

The sources would not reveal the names of players included in the report, but confirmed that as many as 80 are listed. One lawyer expected several "very, very high-level names" to be exposed..."

"I [Bud Selig] haven't seen the report yet, but I'm proud I did it"

Is there something VERY wrong with that last sentence?

2007-12-13 07:48:25
54.   yankz
51 I don't mind REASONABLE Cash-bashing. But the dude said things like "Cash must be scouting for pitching" when he visited a nursing home. That's both petty and stupid.
2007-12-13 07:48:29
55.   mehmattski
43 No, but there were a bunch of women hallucinating on Gypsum weed, which had somehow gotten mixed with the wheat grain in Salem. So, the women of Salem were on Witchcraft Enhancing Drugs.
2007-12-13 07:48:50
56.   Comrade Al
44 Is that because I weigh more than a duck?
2007-12-13 07:49:06
57.   Raf
49 Selig & Co. have the hammer, may as well wield it...
2007-12-13 07:49:37
58.   Yankee Fan In Boston
56 indeed.

52 nice.

2007-12-13 07:51:37
59.   NJYankee41
56 Its because you turn me into a newt.
2007-12-13 07:52:43
60.   mehmattski
From the bastion of journalism that is the Nevada Appeal, some non steroid related Yankee news:

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20071213/SPORTS/112130110

Darrel Rasner, back in the fold. We're saved!

2007-12-13 07:52:48
61.   Raf
54 He was joking when he wrote that. He interjects humor into his entries from time to time.
2007-12-13 07:53:41
62.   Raf
59 But you got better...
2007-12-13 07:54:52
63.   yankz
61 Well, given his obsession with Cash bashing, it went too far. Also, his jokes must suck.
2007-12-13 07:54:55
64.   JoeInRI
It seems to me that 40-60 names, as reports have stated, is a rather skimpy list. How many names do we "know" used some form of PED? Bonds, Sosa, Giambi, Palmeiro, Canseco, Grimsley, plus the other 11 or so who were officially suspended.

I wonder if Nomah will be on there.

2007-12-13 07:57:32
65.   RIYank
No! Witches weigh less than ducks! (You can work this out by pure logic.)

This is terrible. You've been burning the wrong women!

2007-12-13 07:58:06
66.   williamnyy23
From Pete Abe:

The Yankees will hold a conference call with Alex Rodriguez in a few minutes to announce his contract.

Kind of odd to schedule this on the same day as the Mitchell report, right?

2007-12-13 07:58:14
67.   OldYanksFan
Brian McNamee, who worked for the Yankees and as a personal trainer for Clemens and Yankee teammates Andy Pettitte, also told investigators that on at least one occasion, Clemens was in possession of steroids from another supplier, the source said.

The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report. The paper said the source spoke to a third party who had seen the final report.

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

2007-12-13 08:00:04
68.   mehmattski
64 Also Ken Caminiti and Darryl Kyle were on PEDs. I'm pretty sure we can get to 50 players or so without coming up with anyone too surprising:

Guillermo Mota
Alex Sanchez
Matt Lawton
Ryan Franklin
Mike Cameron
Felix Heredia
Juan Rincon

The power of Wikipedia gives 23 other names reportedly under investigation, along with media sources:

http://tinyurl.com/37mszv

Since Lawton, Heredia, Sheffield, and Giambi can all be loosely classified as "Yankees," that may be all there is to it...

2007-12-13 08:01:10
69.   RIYank
What if Colter Bean is on the list???
2007-12-13 08:01:32
70.   Comrade Al
65 see 59 . It's a Monty Python thing.
2007-12-13 08:02:26
71.   weeping for brunnhilde
I just heard on BRian Lehrer that Andy's on the list!

:(

2007-12-13 08:02:43
72.   Raf
63 Given some of his WW and Netshrine entries, I believe Steve L. has a very dry sense of humor. Think "Mr. Peabody" (from "Bullwinkle," I don't know the age group here) dry.
2007-12-13 08:02:52
73.   JoeInRI
68 If only they had Wikipedia in Salem . . .
2007-12-13 08:04:18
74.   JoeInRI
71 That means Rocket's on there too . . .
2007-12-13 08:04:24
75.   dianagramr
mlb.com report on A-Rod signing

http://tinyurl.com/252wkg

2007-12-13 08:04:42
76.   JL25and3
65 No, that's still wrong.

Witches burn.
Wood also burns, so witches are made of wood.
Wood floats.
Ducks also float.
Therefore, if she weighs the same as as duck, she's a witch.

It's a fair cop.

2007-12-13 08:05:11
77.   mehmattski
72 I agree it was possible that Steve was being self-deprecating with that particular joke, given the lashing he was receiving in comments for saying negative things about Cashman. I've corresponded with Steve via e-mail several times and he's a very nice, if opinionated guy. Sometimes the world needs some extremists to pull us all away from equally unfounded extremes.
2007-12-13 08:05:22
78.   RIYank
70 Uh, yeah.

Should I walk you through this?

What do we burn besides witches?
And, does wood sink in water?
And what else floats in water?
Good. So, if she weighs less than a duck, then... she floats in water, and therefore... is made of wood... and so...

2007-12-13 08:05:33
79.   dianagramr
I've heard whispers that the list includes Karim Garcia ....
2007-12-13 08:06:30
80.   RIYank
76 Dammit!
My logic has failed me. You are right, obviously.
2007-12-13 08:07:00
81.   JoeInRI
79 Who?
2007-12-13 08:07:17
82.   JL25and3
I still think people are way overestimating the Red Sox influence on Mitchell. I don't think his title there has any real substance, and I especially don't think he's going to use this as a way to kill the Yankees and spare the Sox.
2007-12-13 08:07:18
83.   wsporter
73 If only they had the "Way Back Machine" at Salem.
2007-12-13 08:07:45
84.   dianagramr
70

What if she is made of Kerry Wood? (or Wilbur Wood for that matter)

2007-12-13 08:08:56
85.   JoeInRI
70 Kerry Wood definitely sinks . . .
2007-12-13 08:09:11
86.   mehmattski
84 Woody Allen?
2007-12-13 08:12:24
87.   mehmattski
Doomsday Scenario:

What if Miguel Cairo is on the list?

2007-12-13 08:13:17
88.   dianagramr
87

that would void the 4 championships from '96 on ....

2007-12-13 08:13:39
89.   Comrade Al
82 But even the appearance of impropriety is unacceptable, and there is plenty of it. If the report is heavily biased against the Yankees, it will create the impression that the commissioner is in cahoots with one club owner against another, which is Pete Rose-bad.
2007-12-13 08:14:03
90.   Yankee Fan In Boston
add pettitte to the list.

http://tinyurl.com/2rtj4s

(if you believe the daily news.)

2007-12-13 08:14:36
91.   JoeInRI
87 What if Old Joe's on the list . . .
2007-12-13 08:16:03
92.   weeping for brunnhilde
74 Yeah, he's on there too, but who cares?
2007-12-13 08:16:34
93.   JoeInRI
90 Interesting last paragraph . . .

McNamee, who began working with Clemens in 1997 when he was with the Toronto Blue Jays, helped create extensive workouts for both Clemens and Pettitte. The former New York City cop was hired as the strength and conditioning coach for the Yankees in 2000 with Clemens' support but was not retained in 2002 after he was questioned by police in connection the sexual with the alleged sexual assault in a St. Petersburg hotel. Police said the woman ingested the date-rape drug GHB. Charges were never filed against McNamee.

2007-12-13 08:16:42
94.   williamnyy23
Everyone is talking about the players involved, but if this report slams Selig too, then shouldn't he be fired? I wouldn't be surprised if several owners wind up stung by the findings and use the report as a basis for deposing Selig...not only for his role in the steroid report, but for spending $60mn on a report desined to smear the game in the midst of record revenue explosion.
2007-12-13 08:17:10
95.   rbj
Apparently there is a separate, IED list. No, not improvised explosive devices, but injury enhancing drugs. The only name on it is Carl Pavano.
2007-12-13 08:18:10
96.   RIYank
NYC weather update, anyone?
We don't have any snow here yet, but on NOAA's weather site it sure looks like it's coming fast and hard.
2007-12-13 08:18:54
97.   mehmattski
95 Nah, what about Mark Prior and Clint Barmes. Fell down the stairs while carrying venison, my eye...
2007-12-13 08:19:07
98.   standuptriple
My $ is on Piazza. A little birdy told me he was a notorious juicer.
2007-12-13 08:19:41
99.   JL25and3
89 I definitely agree that someone with no ties to baseball - or at least to a specific team - should have been chosen, for exactly the reason you say. I'm addressing the assumption that there actually will be impropriety, which I highly doubt.
2007-12-13 08:19:56
100.   weeping for brunnhilde
They're going to discuss the report on Brian Lehrer in a few minutes. Wnyc.org.
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2007-12-13 08:20:45
101.   Yankee Fan In Boston
95 he never actually used the drugs though. his buttocks were bruised by the needle before it could even pierce his ever so delicate skin.
2007-12-13 08:23:04
102.   weeping for brunnhilde
98 Oh, I hope so!

I thought calling an emergency press conference to deny he was gay was despicable.

2007-12-13 08:23:29
103.   RIYank
Oh, no. Terrible news.
David Eckstein has been using GEDs.
2007-12-13 08:24:33
104.   JoeInRI
103 I knew it . . . he had no guts in Pawtucket.
2007-12-13 08:26:23
105.   RIYank
Almost. ('G' is for 'Grit'.)

Hey, new thread!

2007-12-13 08:26:26
106.   mehmattski
All I know is, thanks to caffeine, guarine, and ginseng, my performance enhancing drugs have gotten me through a lot of all nighters.
2007-12-13 08:28:53
107.   Raf
99 If they couldn't get an independent auditor to go through their books during the times they claimed they were losing $$, I doubt that they would find someone independent to research steroids/PED usage...
2007-12-13 08:29:48
108.   JL25and3
1 , 11 I'm not sure what attendance those numbers represent, but the bbasic point is correct. Attendance in both AL and NL jumped by about 40% from 1919 to 1920. The AL increase was largely explained by the Yankees, who more than doubled their attendance - presumably because of their new right fielder and his 54 homers.

Attendance dropped slightly in 1921, but stayed at what were then historically high levels until the early 30s, when the Depression hit hard.

2007-12-13 08:37:39
109.   AbbyNormal821
87 See, and I was worried about Karim Garcia being on the list!
;-P
Bama...where are you???
2007-12-13 09:04:25
110.   YankeeInMichigan
94 Sorry, the report isn't slamming Selig. He's paying for it.
2007-12-13 09:32:54
111.   domvjr
The list which cannot be verified, which was posted on the comments section of "The Big Lead". The veracity of this list cannot be verified. The present and former Yankees, are as follows:
Aaron Boone
Rocket
DAMON
Grimsley
Giambi
Pettite
Sheffield.
The MLB is denying the truth of the list, but take it for what its worth.
2007-12-13 10:34:49
112.   OldYanksFan
111 Jim Leyritz also.
2007-12-13 10:42:47
113.   OldYanksFan
On Lohud:
Rodriguez returns to Yankees (officially)
December 13 This press release from the Yankees …
YANKEES SIGN 3B ALEX RODRIGUEZ TO A 10-YEAR CONTRACT

Official Text AND Audio from ARod.

2007-12-13 11:09:07
114.   OldYanksFan
114 Has anyone else listened to ARod's conference call?

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