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2007-09-21 13:19
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

While panic sets in across town and to the northeast, the Yankees come off a restful, mid-homestand off-day looking to extend a four game winning streak with their ace on the mound looking for win number 19.

The bad news is that their opponent is the very same Blue Jays team that just swept the Red Sox, and that Toronto will send its four top starters to the mound in this series, beginning with ace Roy Halladay tonight. Halladay has failed to complete the seventh inning just once in his last dozen starts (going six full in the one exception), posting a 2.82 ERA with five complete games, one of them a shutout of the then-hot Mariners, and a 1.15 WHIP over that stretch. He's faced the Yankees twice during that run, holding them to one run in seven innings in the Bronx in mid-July and allowing just seven base runners in seven innings while striking out eight in a match-up against Wang in early August (though Halliday did give up four runs in that game on a pair of home runs by Robinson Cano and another by Hideki Matsui).

That August 8 game saw Chien-Ming Wang struggle through 2 2/3 innings in what was easily the worst start of his career. There's been an alarming symetry to Wang's starts since then as his earned run totals in his seven stars since look like this: 5, 3, 1, 0, 1, 3, 5, bringing him back to the rematch with Halladay tonight. Here's hoping he breaks the pattern.

As for the Blue Jays, they've finally shut down Vernon Wells in anticipation of his shoulder surgery. Wells had gone 0 for 17 in the Jays' recent series against the Red Sox and Yankees, so that's hardly a loss to the Jays. They also managed to sweep Boston without the help of Troy Glaus, who was shut down prior to Yankees series in Toronto and has since been placed on the 60-day DL with a season ending foot injury, or Lyle Overbay, who's been limited to pinch-hit and defensive-replacement duty over the past week in anticipation of his having four pins removed from his hand when the team travels to Baltimore on Tuesday.

Matt Stairs has become the regular first baseman in Overbay's stead, but he was just 1 for 10 with a pair of walks and three Ks against Boston. Russ Adams, who has filled in for Glaus, was more troublesome, going 3 for 8 with a double and that back-breaking grand slam off Jonathan Papelbon on Wednesday night. Adams had seven RBIs altogether in the Boston series and was 4 for 10 with a double and three walks against the Yankees when they were in Toronto last week. Alex Rios is the only Blue Jay other than Wells to play center field this year. That means the Jays will replace Wells in the lineup with a corner outfielder. With Stairs already in at first base, that means the Jays will have Reed Johnson and Adam Lind in the corners, which fully exhausts the supply of outfielders on their roster, though recent addition Joe Inglett, who was claimed off waivers from the Indians to take Glaus's place on the roster, and Hector Luna, who preceeded Inglett in making the move from Cleveland to Toronto, are both legitimate utility men who can play both infield and outfield if needed.

As for Johnson and Lind, Johnson only drew one start in each series against Boston and New York, going 0 for 8 with no walks and three Ks in those games, but he went 7 for 15 while starting all three games against the Orioles in between. Adam Lind went 1 for 7 with a pair of Ks in two starts against Boston and 0 for 2 as a pinch-hitter against the Yanks, but did walk and homer in the finale against the O's.

As you might suspect by now, the Blue Jays beat the Red Sox with pitching, holding Boston to just five runs over three games. Dustin McGowan, who will face Roger Clemens on Sunday, set the pace with a complete game on Monday in which he allowed one run on five hits and no walks while striking out nine. A.J. Burnett, who will rematch with Phil Hughes in Monday's makeup game, followed by striking out 11 and falling one-out shy of another complete game in a contest decided by an Eric Gagne blown save in the eighth (lefty Scott Downs struck out Jacoby Ellsbury to earn an easy one-out save). In the finale, fifth-starter Jesse Litsch limited the Sox to just two hits, one of them a J.D. Drew solo homer for the only Boston run, over 6 2/3 innings, then got 2 2/3 innings of one-hit/no-walk relief from his bullpen with closer Jeremy Accardo striking out three of the four men he faced (Mike Lowell, Drew, and Jason Varitek) to earn the save.

To that end, this series is a great test run for the playoffs as the Yankees will have to hit great pitching and out-pitch great pitching to come away with a win. The Red Sox, meanwhile, face their nemesis Scott Kasmir in Tampa. Kazmir, who has more starts again Boston than any other team in his young career, has a 2.62 ERA with 109 Ks, just 76 hits, and six hit batsmen in 96 1/3 career innings against the Red Sox. Most recently, Kazmir held the Sox scoreless for seven innings while striking out ten and allowing just seven baserunners in a 1-0 Devil Ray win on September 10. The Sox counter with Josh Beckett, who's looking to become the majors' first 20-game winner this year.

Just for good measure, the Mets send Pedro Martinez to the hill in Miami, while Cy Young contenders Jake Peavy, Fausto Carmona, and Johan Santana also toe the rubber, though the last does so without any postseason implications. Should be an interesting night of baseball.

Update: Per Peter Abraham, Ian Kennedy's been scratched from his start on Saturday with a tight upper back. That moves everyone in the rotation up a day starting with Clemens. No word on whether or not the Yanks will try to have Kennedy start in the final week, or if they'll just shut him down for the season. If this were Hughes, I'd think the latter would be the no-brainer decision, but Kennedy has been pitching better than Hughes recently and could be valuable as a long man out of the pen in the postseason. Balancing the current year's run for an unlikely championship against the long-term health of the young franchise arms will likely continue to be a major story throughout the postseason and all of 2008.

Toronto Blue Jays

2007 Record: 77-75 (.507)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 81-71 (.534)

Manager: John Gibbons
General Manager: J. P. Riccardi

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): Rogers Centre (103/103)

Changes:

Joe Inglett replaces Troy Glaus (DL)
Matt Stairs replaces Lyle Overbay at first base
Alex Rios replaces Vernon Wells in center field
Reed Johnson replaces Rios in right field
Adam Lind replaces the platoon of Stairs and Johnson in left field

25-man Roster:

1B – Matt Stairs (L)
2B – Aaron Hill (R)
SS – John McDonald (R)
3B – Russ Adams (L)
C – Gregg Zaun (S)
RF – Reed Johnson (R)
CF – Alex Rios (R)
LF – Adam Lind (L)
DH – Frank Thomas (R)

Bench:

L - Lyle Overbay (1B)
S - Ray Olmedo (IF)
R - Hector Luna (UT)
L - Joe Inglett (UT)
R – Curtis Thigpen (C)
R - Sal Fasano (C)
R - Vernon Wells (CF)*

Rotation:

R – Roy Halladay
R – Shaun Marcum
R - Dustin McGowan
R - A.J. Burnett
R - Jesse Litsch

Bullpen:

R – Jeremy Accardo
R – Jason Frasor
L – Scott Downs
R – Casey Janssen
R – Brandon League
L – Brian Tallet
R – Josh Towers
R - Brian Wolf
L - Joe Kennedy
R - Josh Banks

60-day DL: R - Troy Glaus (3B), L – B. J. Ryan, L – Gustavo Chacin, L – Davis Romero

*out for the season

Typical Lineup:

R - Reed Johnson (RF)
L - Matt Stairs (1B)
R – Alex Rios (CF)
R – Frank Thomas (DH)
R – Aaron Hill (2B)
S - Gregg Zaun (C)
L - Adam Lind (RF)
R - Russ Adams (3B)
R - John McDonald (SS)

Comments (551)
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2007-09-21 15:00:04
1.   Max
Man, i was really looking forward to Kennedy's start this weekend. I assume this essentially means he's out for the first round of the playoffs in favor of Hughes.
2007-09-21 15:00:15
2.   SF Yanks
I was really looking forward to IPK's start tomorrow. I'm really (kinda) bummed.
2007-09-21 15:01:00
3.   SF Yanks
1 All but 11 seconds off ;)
2007-09-21 15:02:10
4.   SF Yanks
Does this mean everyone bumped up a slot and we have Hughes going on Sun?
2007-09-21 15:02:56
5.   Vandelay Industries
1 Hughes against the Angels is a recipe for disaster. Get well Mr. Kennedy, get well.
2007-09-21 15:17:28
6.   thelarmis
4 yeah, according to pete abe, everyone just moves up a day. hopefully IPK can be slotted against the devil fishes next week. i, too, was looking forward to his start tomorrow. he should be alright though...
2007-09-21 15:21:39
7.   Cliff Corcoran
1 , 5 , Neither Hughes nor Kennedy would have started in the ALDS without one of the vets getting hurt. So the battle is for the long-relief spot in the pen in the postseason. In my opinion, the Yanks should baby Kennedy as much as possible.
2007-09-21 15:28:50
8.   Cliff Corcoran
Update added to the post above. Pitching probables updated on the sidebar.
2007-09-21 15:41:34
9.   Vandelay Industries
7 We shall see about that. I'm not convinced Joe won't make the change if thigs begin badly in the ALDS. But one can dream. Do you really think that Joe will go Andy, Wang, Clemens, Andy, Wang . . . repeat?
2007-09-21 15:42:09
10.   OldYanksFan
Too bad the D-Rays are throwing Kazmir against Beckett. I'd rather they concede game 1 to Beckett and pitch Kazmir against Dice-K or Wake.
2007-09-21 15:51:58
11.   Cliff Corcoran
9 Dream for things to go badly in the ALDS? It's a five-game series, there's no room for error.
2007-09-21 15:54:02
12.   thelarmis
10 or -- kaz kontinuez to be a thorn in the shit sox' side and wins tonight, keeping PtGtRW from 20 wins. it'll be easier vs. dice clay and wake...
2007-09-21 16:06:52
13.   SF Yanks
Bonds isn't returning to the Giants next year. I must say, he would look mighty good in a Yanks uni ;)
2007-09-21 16:15:46
14.   vockins
Just missing the zone...
2007-09-21 16:20:32
15.   yankz
What is up with Damon swinging on the 1st pitch these days?
2007-09-21 16:24:17
16.   Zack
Stoopid CS...

I don't see why Hughes against the Angels is any more a recipe for disaster than Kennedy would be...

2007-09-21 16:24:21
17.   yankz
Dammit Damon. Would've scored.
2007-09-21 16:24:50
18.   kylepetterson
13 if that were the case I must say, I hope I look good in a Braves cap.
2007-09-21 16:25:29
19.   Zack
How about an A-bomb here?
2007-09-21 16:28:20
20.   RIYank
Promising. Yet frustrating.
2007-09-21 16:28:56
21.   Eirias
A quality call there by Sterling.
2007-09-21 16:29:01
22.   yankz
Was that as deep as GameDay makes it look? (right in front of the fence)
2007-09-21 16:29:21
23.   seamus
damn, I thought that looked better off of the bat. damn.
2007-09-21 16:29:35
24.   seamus
22 yeah.
2007-09-21 16:29:35
25.   Alex Belth
That was a good at bat for Rodriguez though. He had a couple of good swings. Got good wood on that pitch he put in play, just not enough lift to get it out.
2007-09-21 16:29:55
26.   cult of basebaal
that's a couple of well hit outs in his last couple of at-bats ... and this one went to center, even better
2007-09-21 16:30:17
27.   tommyl
22 Yes. He just missed his classic, RCF HR. It was a good swing and a good AB. Fought back from 0-2 and hit it hard. Hopefully he's trending back up.
2007-09-21 16:31:26
28.   yankz
Thanks all, that's a good sign, especially against the groundballer.
2007-09-21 16:31:37
29.   Zack
Terrible terrible
2007-09-21 16:32:16
30.   tommyl
25 The only thing he's still doing it is biting for the very low breaking ball. That and a bit higher leg kick are the two things I've noticed since his "slump" began.
2007-09-21 16:34:16
31.   yankz
30 I think it's safe to just say slump, without the "".
2007-09-21 16:34:32
32.   Alex Belth
By, the way, great write up/preview by Cliff, as usual...
2007-09-21 16:35:32
33.   tommyl
32 Teacher's pet ;). Seriously, it is a great write up, thanks again Cliff.
2007-09-21 16:35:47
34.   Eirias
Looks like Beckett is getting a Delmon.
2007-09-21 16:36:11
35.   tommyl
Meanwhile, so far a great job by Wang.
2007-09-21 16:36:40
36.   Eirias
A quiet night with sushi, Delerium Tremens and the Yankees? Not bad.
2007-09-21 16:37:47
37.   Eirias
By the way, I apologize for 34 .
2007-09-21 16:38:01
38.   tommyl
36 Dangerous combo there. Wow, amazing job by Wang. Maybe he's been listening to Rocket about stranding runners.

Alright off to go pick up my gf. Maybe back later guys.

2007-09-21 16:39:26
39.   Eirias
How is Wang looking? Is he getting the sinker to sink or is his two-seamer up too high?
2007-09-21 16:40:05
40.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
36 Nice. quiet morning here with espresso, bagel and miso soup. Have finally converted full time to morning baseball.

What`s the Banter consensus? Rest some of the guys or go full on for the division title? Does it really not matter?

2007-09-21 16:41:09
41.   tommyl
39 Good, everything but one ball has been either a popup or grounder. Most grounders have been soft.
2007-09-21 16:41:45
42.   RIYank
How did the D-Rays score?
I'm having a hard time paying attention this evening. And it's not because it's Friday and I have a lot of other interesting stuff to do, either.
2007-09-21 16:43:48
43.   Eirias
40 To be honest, I think who the Yankees would play matters more than the division/wildcard. The Angels obviously kill the Yankees (seemingly) ever time, but the Indians have such a good front-end of the rotation.
2007-09-21 16:44:11
44.   yankz
41 Your gf's getting pissed off...
2007-09-21 16:44:27
45.   Eirias
42 A Delmon Young double.
2007-09-21 16:44:50
46.   yankz
Duelin'
2007-09-21 16:44:59
47.   RIYank
40 No consensus, I'd say.
It's nice to feel like we don't really really need the wins, though, I must say! (I'd love to pass the Sox, but mainly because I live in the middle of RSN.)
2007-09-21 16:46:34
48.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
47 Good luck with that!
Indians don`t seem scary, even with that rotation. Awful defense as well...
2007-09-21 16:50:07
49.   Eirias
I am fairly certain that, with one out, the Yankees are not going to get a triple play.
2007-09-21 16:52:29
50.   Eirias
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/20/the-dugout-the-eric-gagne-horse/
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2007-09-21 16:53:52
51.   Eirias
50 What we have all speculated.
2007-09-21 16:57:08
52.   yankz
50 Honestly, the only part I found funny was "what r u doing i thought we were friends mr. kanye" because I am sure that is what Papelbon types like. I feel like they blew a big opportunity.
2007-09-21 17:06:59
53.   aronneil
I would like to see the Yanks beat the Angels, Tigers, and Red Sox this post-season.

I guess I'll settle for the Angels and Red Sox. We shouldn't be afraid of the Angels - if we're not good enough to beat them, we don't deserve to go to the WS.

2007-09-21 17:10:39
54.   SF Yanks
...ZZZzzzz....
2007-09-21 17:11:48
55.   Marcus
You know what Alex B was saying about AJ Burnett? How just by looking at him, you know he's a douche? I get the opposite impression of Halladay. He just seems like a guy that would be easy to get along with.
2007-09-21 17:13:17
56.   Eirias
53 Much as I agree with you philosophically, discretion is the better part of valor, if you will pardon the cliche.
2007-09-21 17:14:35
57.   Eirias
Kazmir is disintegrating down in Tampa.
2007-09-21 17:18:54
58.   yankz
Halladay: 9 GB/1 FB
Wang: 10 GB/ 3 FB
2007-09-21 17:20:20
59.   Zack
Yeah, Wang at home in the playoffs would be so much better than on the road
2007-09-21 17:21:33
60.   yankz
59 MARLINS!
2007-09-21 17:23:29
61.   yankz
They MUST capitalize here...
2007-09-21 17:23:55
62.   yankz
Also, if Yanks have the lead, does Joba close today? He could get his first save in front of his dad...
2007-09-21 17:24:43
63.   Eirias
60 Not to be confrontational, but how much of that enthusiasm is a genuine love of the Marlins and how much is schadenfreude?
2007-09-21 17:27:18
64.   yankz
63 What?

Last time Zack brought up HFA, I sarcastically stated that because the Marlins have twice! won the WS without HFA, it clearly must not be an advantage. It's an argument I've seen made several times on the internet lately. I think anyone watching today's game can understand why HFA would be important for this Yankees team.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you mean.

2007-09-21 17:27:38
65.   yankz
And cripes Posada, you are slow!
2007-09-21 17:28:23
66.   tommyl
ugh, not a good thing to come home too
2007-09-21 17:28:29
67.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
WHAT???? Posada looked 100yrs old running there!!
2007-09-21 17:28:54
68.   yankz
Dammit Dougie.
2007-09-21 17:29:32
69.   Eirias
Oh, no problem. I thought that 60 was a cheer for the Marlins and I was curious as to whether you were actually cheering for the Marlins or simply enjoying the Mets' collapse.
2007-09-21 17:30:39
70.   Alex Belth
Let me tell you something right now. Jorge is a worse base runner than Bernie. Bernie was just cluelessly bad, Posada is aggresively bad. It's like he thinks he's a fast guy and refuses to adjust to his own limitations and plan within them. He's just a stubborn, obstinant bastard. That could end up being a big play in the game. It's almost comic how predictably bad Jorgie is on the bases, but I'm not really laughing right now.
2007-09-21 17:31:28
71.   yankz
Gameday's stuck, anyone know what's going on? Thanks in advance.

69 Gotcha. I don't really care too much about what happens in the NL until the World Series I guess. And how could anyone here cheer for the Marlins?

2007-09-21 17:32:16
72.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
70 Seriously...that was just appalling. What`s the point of having a 3rd base coach if he can`t tackle the runner in that kind of situation?
2007-09-21 17:32:48
73.   Eirias
There is something I am curious about, but I don't know how to look it up. What is the worst ball/strike ratio that a starting pitcher has ever won a game with?
2007-09-21 17:36:42
74.   yankz
This is incredible.
2007-09-21 17:37:38
75.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Off topic, but Jeff Kent...what an a-hole...great player though.
2007-09-21 17:37:41
76.   Zack
64 Yeah, I usually don't buy into HFA, but in the case of Wang, it CLEARLY makes a HUGE difference, so I am all for it...
2007-09-21 17:38:49
77.   Eirias
74 Agreed. Wang is certainly covering for his teammates missteps quite well.
2007-09-21 17:39:17
78.   Zack
Am I the only one who can't tell Girardi, Lieter, and O'Neil apart?
2007-09-21 17:40:19
79.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
78 Nope. Kay, Singleton and Murcer are easy, but the others, you`re right
2007-09-21 17:42:16
80.   Zack
Villone and Bruney in the BP? Is Joe serious?
2007-09-21 17:43:48
81.   yankz
30/36 outs have been on the ground or K's.
2007-09-21 17:45:00
82.   yankz
Halladay is freaking nuts today. 65 pitches total through 6. Only 17 balls.
2007-09-21 17:47:49
83.   yankz
Anybody else getting nervous/excited every time there's a base runner?
2007-09-21 17:48:29
84.   Yankees Brasil
Cano should have had that ball.
2007-09-21 17:52:14
85.   yankz
#()$@
2007-09-21 17:52:30
86.   Zack
this could be the game with the way Doc is dealing
2007-09-21 17:53:01
87.   Eirias
NOW we could use a triple play.
2007-09-21 17:53:43
88.   yankz
Damn.
2007-09-21 17:54:02
89.   yankz
Was the infield not in?
2007-09-21 17:54:31
90.   Eirias
89 Sterling says that it was halfway.
2007-09-21 17:54:44
91.   yankz
Double damn.
2007-09-21 17:55:04
92.   Zack
Nerts
2007-09-21 17:56:28
93.   Yankees Brasil
Fuck Posada
2007-09-21 17:58:17
94.   Eirias
Is Sterling speaking of the All-Important Loss Column? How strange.
2007-09-21 17:59:30
95.   yankz
93 Yikes.
2007-09-21 18:00:02
96.   Alex Belth
Not a sterling night so far for Jorgie...Let's hope A Rod finally breaks through against Halladay. He's hit the ball well twice...
2007-09-21 18:00:08
97.   yankz
100 pitches for Ace
2007-09-21 18:02:03
98.   Yankees Brasil
95 ,93 It should have been " Fuck, Posada!" like in why did you do that Posada. "Fuck posada" is not what I meant.
2007-09-21 18:04:44
99.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team.

It seems we're not doing so well.

Nice hit, Alex!

2007-09-21 18:04:46
100.   Alex Belth
There it is...
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2007-09-21 18:05:04
101.   weeping for brunnhilde
Chien-Ming still around?
2007-09-21 18:05:07
102.   yankz
A baserunner!
2007-09-21 18:05:19
103.   Alex Belth
C mon Matsu-so.
2007-09-21 18:06:27
104.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God.

That 0-1 to Matsui was sick.

I take it Halladay's been spotting the ball like that all night.

2007-09-21 18:06:41
105.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good morning, good afternoon and goodnight.

Damn.

2007-09-21 18:07:05
106.   Eirias
It really does speak a great deal about the Yankees' lineup that A-Rod leads the league in RS, no matter what one thinks of the statistic.
2007-09-21 18:07:16
107.   weeping for brunnhilde
Juice one, Jorgie!

:)

2007-09-21 18:07:52
108.   Zack
Jorge needs to make up for his night :)
2007-09-21 18:09:12
109.   weeping for brunnhilde
God, what cut on that fastball.
2007-09-21 18:09:53
110.   weeping for brunnhilde
108 What'd he do, not a baserunning gaffe, I hope?
2007-09-21 18:10:18
111.   weeping for brunnhilde
Tough pitch to take, that 2-2.
2007-09-21 18:10:20
112.   yankz
110 Um, in that case...nothing at all!
2007-09-21 18:10:33
113.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck.
2007-09-21 18:11:55
114.   weeping for brunnhilde
Aggghh, 3-1 in Tampa.
2007-09-21 18:12:44
115.   weeping for brunnhilde
112 ha ah ah haah ha !!!

Of course.

Well, it has been awhile.

Old times' sake, maybe.

2007-09-21 18:12:45
116.   yankz
Just 6 out of 42 outs have come in the air. Remarkable.
2007-09-21 18:13:14
117.   yankz
Wang could've gone one more, IMO.
2007-09-21 18:13:30
118.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow.

Is this an audition for Edwar?

2007-09-21 18:13:31
119.   Eirias
Edwar in the Eighth
2007-09-21 18:14:22
120.   weeping for brunnhilde
Not good.
2007-09-21 18:15:23
121.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Edwar.

Find the plate, please.

I have faith in you.

2007-09-21 18:18:53
122.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well, that's deflating.
2007-09-21 18:19:02
123.   yankz
@($*@!
2007-09-21 18:19:07
124.   Eirias
How is the attendance going to increase when the new Yankee Stadium has ~5,000 fewer seats?
2007-09-21 18:19:32
125.   Zack
well this one is ova
2007-09-21 18:19:44
126.   yankz
Did Edwar just lose his postseason spot?
2007-09-21 18:20:18
127.   weeping for brunnhilde
126 I'd think so.
2007-09-21 18:20:47
128.   Eirias
What is the polar opposite of "location"? Dislocation?
2007-09-21 18:21:01
129.   weeping for brunnhilde
Shame, too, I really like the kid.
2007-09-21 18:22:12
130.   Yankees Brasil
126 Probably not. That's how bad our bullpen is.
2007-09-21 18:30:38
131.   yankz
Great AB, Jason.
2007-09-21 18:31:15
132.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice play on Melky.

No breaks tonight.

2007-09-21 18:34:47
133.   yankz
^ remembers Cleveland
2007-09-21 18:36:31
134.   OldYanksFan
I think Slim will need to develope a slider in order to stay on an MLB roster.
2007-09-21 18:40:28
135.   yankz
Dodger Thoughts has a neat thing going on in its comments.
2007-09-21 18:42:27
136.   yankz
Cleveland!
2007-09-21 18:43:18
137.   yankz
Single, BB, GS. Count it.
2007-09-21 18:44:35
138.   OldYanksFan
Edwar has now given up 6 HRs in 19+ innings and 30 Ks. The strikeout thing is great, but he has to change something.
2007-09-21 18:46:10
139.   Eirias
Halladay's mother was a hamster and his father smelled of elderberries.
2007-09-21 18:49:14
140.   yankz
I wonder how Matsui and Igawa feel about "A-Bombs"
2007-09-21 18:51:06
141.   yankz
A-Clutch!

OK Matsui, bombs away (forgive me)

2007-09-21 18:52:36
142.   yankz
OK Jorgie, we need a blast.
2007-09-21 18:53:32
143.   Eirias
Go Jorge!
2007-09-21 18:54:20
144.   bartap74
Wow. That was quite a turn of events (and a very loud FUCK! uttered by Halladay on the YES airwaves).
2007-09-21 18:54:21
145.   yankz
Your chance to be a hero, Robbie

Don't tell me I'm the only one still watching...

2007-09-21 18:55:16
146.   cult of basebaal
hmmm ... seems like i awoke from my nap at an exciting time ... c'mon robbie!
2007-09-21 18:55:47
147.   bartap74
145 I kinda wonder if some people turned it off in disgust before Overbay bobbled it.
2007-09-21 18:55:54
148.   JeremyM
I'm hanging around, just came back from getting our tails kicked in softball:(
2007-09-21 18:56:43
149.   yankz
I hope Robbie hits a walk-off, and the trauma makes Boston lose again.
2007-09-21 18:58:30
150.   pistolpete
Isn't this how we always used to beat Pedro?
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2007-09-21 18:58:41
151.   bartap74
Wow - did you guys see that shot of Halladay in the dugout? He looks like he's about to snap.
2007-09-21 18:58:59
152.   yankz
Keep it moving, keep it moving...
2007-09-21 18:59:03
153.   pistolpete
GIAMBINO!!!!
2007-09-21 18:59:15
154.   bartap74
YESSSS!!!!!!
2007-09-21 18:59:16
155.   yankz
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2007-09-21 18:59:34
156.   yankz
What do I always say?

REMEMBER CLEVELAND!!!

2007-09-21 19:00:08
157.   JL25and3
That was truly impressive. Even if they end up losing the game, that was a tremendous series of at-bats.
2007-09-21 19:00:08
158.   bartap74
This is the kind of magic we used to have during the mystique and aura days.
2007-09-21 19:00:17
159.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Just did the Funky Chicken dancing with the pregnant wife!!!! what a comeback!!
2007-09-21 19:00:17
160.   cult of basebaal
man ... i bet you can hear what Doc Halliday is saying is Canada now ... c'mon melky ... bring this one home!
2007-09-21 19:00:24
161.   seamus
checking back in to say that this has been unreal folks. Completely unreal.
2007-09-21 19:00:31
162.   Murray
This is just stupid.
2007-09-21 19:00:39
163.   JeremyM
I'd feel really bad for Halladay, if it wasn't for the team he was facing. End it now, Melky!
2007-09-21 19:00:56
164.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
actually feel bad for Halliday, amazing pitcher who deserved the win...
2007-09-21 19:01:01
165.   pistolpete
And to think I was about to turn this off...
2007-09-21 19:01:09
166.   yankz
157 I had this scary vision of Villone giving up a HR in the 10th.

If they can't score again, Joba for 2, no doubt about it IMO.

2007-09-21 19:01:17
167.   OldYanksFan
OMG! What can you say?
UN - FUCKING - BELIEVEABLE!
2007-09-21 19:01:52
168.   yankz
Jeter can't be the hero. It's either Melky or Johnny. My money's on Melky winning it right here.
2007-09-21 19:01:56
169.   Zack
That'll teach me to turn the game off!
2007-09-21 19:02:54
170.   yankz
Gameday- "Pitcher change: Casey Janssen replaces Casey Janssen."

What the hell are the odds? I can't believe they have two Casey Janssens!

2007-09-21 19:03:01
171.   cult of basebaal
who is warming for us? mo?
2007-09-21 19:03:05
172.   OldYanksFan
164 I agree. If we win, maybe Mo (or whoever) can give the Win to Halliday... just as long as it goes to the Yankees!
And how about Giambi going the other way!
2007-09-21 19:03:22
173.   cult of basebaal
oh, i bet it's the viz
2007-09-21 19:04:04
174.   yankz
Damn. I really wanted to win it here.
2007-09-21 19:04:16
175.   JeremyM
170 Incredible. Kind of like the Bobby Jones days in baseball.
2007-09-21 19:04:33
176.   Mattpat11
I fell asleep before the game and woke up for Cano's AB.

Lets beat this shitty team in the tenth.

2007-09-21 19:04:59
177.   yankz
Why wouldn't it be Joba?
2007-09-21 19:05:37
178.   OldYanksFan
Since Detroit, Boston and Cleveland are all winners, I'm OK with winning this one. Just thought I'd let ya all know.
2007-09-21 19:05:39
179.   yankz
Jeter's going to win this one.
2007-09-21 19:05:42
180.   pistolpete
From SOSH:

"Here we are, getting a great outing from Beckett, scoring a few times off Kazmir, in great position to win this game... and I'm doing all I can to harness my rage about the mother f*cking yankees."

2007-09-21 19:05:44
181.   Robert the Robot
169 I can't believe you turned the game off...I mean, after last Friday night, my friend...
2007-09-21 19:06:20
182.   yankz
OK, Mo is fine and all, but couldn't he really use the rest?

Tells me that Joe really wants the division.

2007-09-21 19:06:33
183.   OldYanksFan
These days...
it seems like everybody...
is named Janssens.
2007-09-21 19:08:02
184.   kylepetterson
182 And that he doesn't expect this game to go past 10.
2007-09-21 19:08:17
185.   Mattpat11
That looked like a blooper over the third base bag at first.

And Kay just jinxed us.

2007-09-21 19:08:50
186.   Mattpat11
182 And good for him.
2007-09-21 19:08:51
187.   Zack
181 It was meant to be. Wouldn't have happened had I continued to watch :)
2007-09-21 19:09:01
188.   cult of basebaal
177 not enough time to warm joba up after we tied the game ...
2007-09-21 19:09:18
189.   3rd gen yankee fan
Hi guys, just getting in, I see the Yanks are pretty much playing like a championship team? I hope? Was following the scores at the bar all night.
2007-09-21 19:09:42
190.   kylepetterson
Is Mo's velocity way down?
2007-09-21 19:10:07
191.   Mattpat11
Dear Lord.

Please don't let this man beat us.

2007-09-21 19:10:49
192.   pistolpete
190 Maybe, but he sure is putting the ball in some sweet spots.
2007-09-21 19:10:58
193.   Mattpat11
Come on guys. Win it now.
2007-09-21 19:11:07
194.   pistolpete
192 See? :)
2007-09-21 19:11:25
195.   yankz
According to GameDay, Mo was absolutely filthy.
2007-09-21 19:12:08
196.   Mattpat11
I've got my Cherry Coke, I've got some Sir Paul McCartney playing, Lyle Overbay looked hideous, I'm in a happy mood.

Lets end it.

2007-09-21 19:13:18
197.   cult of basebaal
meh ... sox are up 7-1
2007-09-21 19:13:26
198.   pistolpete
Looks like Tampa won't be doing us any favors tonight. If we win, I actually won't care at all.
2007-09-21 19:14:18
199.   Mattpat11
198 Just take care of our business right now.
2007-09-21 19:14:53
200.   yankz
Boston scores 3 more, up 7-1 in the 9th. They're going to win.
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2007-09-21 19:15:13
201.   cult of basebaal
196 interesting ... just minutes earlier, i was literally thinking that scott downs' gameday picture looked a little like paul mccartney ... but much more like paul's seedy brother Hubert, who can't sing a lick and likes to hang around elementary schoolyards ... hmmm ...
2007-09-21 19:15:35
202.   Mattpat11
Attention Blue Jays: You Suck. Roll Over.
2007-09-21 19:15:50
203.   pistolpete
I'm laughing while reading through SOSH - they feel the same way about Gagne now as we did about Farnsworth. Once it was 7-1 they all started posting, "Ok, it's safe to bring him in now..."

Heh.

2007-09-21 19:15:57
204.   Eirias
Bad Damon!
2007-09-21 19:16:27
205.   SF Yanks
WTF!!! I gave up in the 9th thinking it was over and I checked to see if anything happened in the 9th and its 4-4?!?!?!!?! WTF did I miss? I never give up on this team. I was just in a bad mood and turned to other things... That will effin teach my ass.
2007-09-21 19:16:34
206.   kylepetterson
198 You had to figure that if the Sox were up when Kazmir left, game over.
2007-09-21 19:17:33
207.   cult of basebaal
205 heh ... i learned that lesson last friday night against boston
2007-09-21 19:18:19
208.   yankz
Just get on for Arod.
2007-09-21 19:18:23
209.   pistolpete
That's it, Alex HAS to win this game for us now.

Bobby, just take a base.

2007-09-21 19:18:33
210.   Mattpat11
Come on people. Even worse than a loss here would be that smug ass look on JP Ricciardi's face if he thinks he's done something right.
2007-09-21 19:18:42
211.   yankz
205 You FORGOT CLEVELAND!!
2007-09-21 19:20:44
212.   rsmith51
C'mon, Bobby!
2007-09-21 19:20:59
213.   cult of basebaal
wow ... the devil fishies bully is unrelentingly awful
2007-09-21 19:21:29
214.   cult of basebaal
a pack of serial arsonists, even
2007-09-21 19:21:40
215.   pistolpete
209 Thank you sir.
2007-09-21 19:21:45
216.   Mattpat11
Come on A-Rod.
2007-09-21 19:22:15
217.   yankz
Arod, dude, this is your moment.
2007-09-21 19:22:58
218.   SF Yanks
Fu...dge. I really wish I could re-watch this. I usually DVR every game just in case something miraculous happens. It just so happens, OF COURSE, that the ONE time I forget to DVR the game is the ONE time I turned away all season...
2007-09-21 19:23:03
219.   pistolpete
Would love to see a wild pitch, then an A-Rod double down the line....
2007-09-21 19:23:23
220.   Mattpat11
213 The Devil Rays bullpen is a legitimate piece of evidence in the case for contraction. There really is no reason for Danny Glover to be in the major leagues.
2007-09-21 19:23:52
221.   yankz
Damn.
2007-09-21 19:24:10
222.   Eirias
Downs didn't pitch a third of an inning... he didn't retire a batter.
2007-09-21 19:24:12
223.   Mattpat11
I figured they had no shot at him when he bobbled the ball.

I'm getting worried now.

2007-09-21 19:24:26
224.   3rd gen yankee fan
Cmon Arod, hang the fuck in there. This is October baseball in September. I know it's confusing but it's the Yankees way.

FARTS!

2007-09-21 19:24:45
225.   yankz
220 He's back in baseball? I thought he retired after managing the Angels to spend more time with his two adopted sons.
2007-09-21 19:25:50
226.   Mattpat11
Come on Joba. We need to win here.
2007-09-21 19:26:47
227.   yankz
BB traffic is spiking, I think.

No way do the Yanks lose this one.

2007-09-21 19:27:31
228.   Mattpat11
And Kay is raving about velocity again.

The sad thing is I really don't think Kay gets the whole Joba thing.

2007-09-21 19:27:54
229.   Mattpat11
That looked like a single at first.
2007-09-21 19:28:15
230.   Shaun P
227 No way indeed. My folks are here, my dad and I paused the game on TiVo - he was ready to give up, I told him not to. Then we go online, and see the game is tied 4-4! Unreal.

Let's go Joba.

2007-09-21 19:28:50
231.   JeremyM
225 Line of the night!
2007-09-21 19:29:09
232.   yankz
230 I just remembered that game, I think v. Baltimore, when Shelley hit the 3-R bomb in the bottom of the 9th to tie it, only to have Mo blow it in the 10th. Won't happen again.
2007-09-21 19:29:22
233.   pistolpete
This is a rather nerve-wracking lineup, no?
2007-09-21 19:29:59
234.   Bama Yankee
230 Shuan, tell your dad we said hello.
2007-09-21 19:30:24
235.   Mattpat11
225 I'd still take him over whoever the hell this guy is.
2007-09-21 19:30:36
236.   Bama Yankee
234 Sorry, that would be Shaun... oops.
2007-09-21 19:30:49
237.   yankz
231 Thanks!
2007-09-21 19:31:21
238.   Mattpat11
230 If his dad's anything like mine, he'd rather not know the weirdos ranting on the interweb know of his existence.

:)

2007-09-21 19:32:09
239.   Bama Yankee
238 LOL. Good point.
2007-09-21 19:32:13
240.   pistolpete
Wow Minky saved us a base there.
2007-09-21 19:33:10
241.   Mattpat11
240 What?
2007-09-21 19:33:25
242.   bartap74
240 Yep. Is it me or does he look more bulky than usual?
2007-09-21 19:33:59
243.   Mattpat11
Did Frank Thomas just steal a base?
2007-09-21 19:34:03
244.   bartap74
240 Yep. Is it me or does he look a bit more bulky than usual?
2007-09-21 19:34:08
245.   pistolpete
240 Saved the ball from going into the stands and having the runner advance to 2nd with 1 out.
2007-09-21 19:34:31
246.   yankz
243 No, that was Joe Inglett, the PR.
2007-09-21 19:34:31
247.   Mattpat11
245 he's out of the game.
2007-09-21 19:35:04
248.   Bama Yankee
240 If we could just get Minky to look like Giambi at the plate as well... ;-)
2007-09-21 19:35:15
249.   Mattpat11
246 I didn't realize they put in a PR. That's alot more comforting than the idea of Big Hurt stealing.
2007-09-21 19:35:17
250.   Shaun P
238 You're probably right. =) My dad says hello, I think.
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2007-09-21 19:35:29
251.   pistolpete
That slider was absolutely SICK.
2007-09-21 19:36:12
252.   Mattpat11
Molina is having issues with the slider.
2007-09-21 19:36:16
253.   pistolpete
245 Giambi, whatever.
2007-09-21 19:36:54
254.   Mattpat11
WHOO!

Lets win it now!

2007-09-21 19:37:20
255.   Mattpat11
Kay seems to be ready to weep that he didn't use the 100 mph fastball.
2007-09-21 19:37:41
256.   yankz
Is Joba legal?

20 pitches for him. Matsui better hit a bomb.

2007-09-21 19:39:27
257.   Mattpat11
Joe needs to be walking up and down the bench saying "If we don't win here, Worthless comes in guys! Come on!"
2007-09-21 19:39:38
258.   pistolpete
Sox fans quotes as of that last K:

"God Joba is already extremely unlikeable. What a punk."

"I'll give you a fist pump you won't forget you fat f%&$."

And then a lot of derogatory comments about his father. Yikes.

I think I'll just stick with BB for the rest of the night.... I was just curious to see the reaction when the Yanks tied it up, but now it's just getting scary and awful.

2007-09-21 19:40:02
259.   cult of basebaal
damn it boys, end this puppy ... i can't walk to the store to get cash for thai food until this is over ... and if i wait too long, i'll get caught in STORMWATCH 2007!!!!!!!

gotta love LA ...

2007-09-21 19:40:26
260.   yankz
Pretty sweet game for Harlan Chamberlain to make his YS fan debut.
2007-09-21 19:41:06
261.   yankz
258 Better there than here. I pity them.
2007-09-21 19:41:12
262.   seamus
258 making fun of his father just isn't cool at all.
2007-09-21 19:42:00
263.   cult of basebaal
258 every time i start feeling bad for the sane, reasonable red sox fan friends of mine, i trek over to a red sox site and read a few pages ... hardens the heart from pity, i find
2007-09-21 19:42:25
264.   yankz
For some reason, I always get less and less confident as the game goes on (in extras).
2007-09-21 19:42:30
265.   pistolpete
Obviously the sane ones don't post at SOSH.
2007-09-21 19:42:51
266.   RIYank
Joba 1:8

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Joba, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

2007-09-21 19:43:23
267.   yankz
The BJ's have a solid pen.
2007-09-21 19:43:56
268.   yankz
BOS 8
TB 1

Final

2007-09-21 19:44:20
269.   pistolpete
Does anyone want a hit?
2007-09-21 19:44:41
270.   Mattpat11
They missed the boat on the Joba Rules shirt.

I would have Front

Joba Rules?

Back

Damn Right He Rules.

2007-09-21 19:44:49
271.   BklynBmr
Walk off. Right here. Right now...
2007-09-21 19:45:10
272.   Flip Play
I've been here since the 6th.

We need to win this already... I've got shit to do.

Come on, Robby!

2007-09-21 19:45:30
273.   RIYank
269 Yeah, pass that over here.
2007-09-21 19:45:31
274.   JeremyM
Two 3-1 counts, two wimpy outs. D'oh!
2007-09-21 19:45:34
275.   yankz
Everyone read The Griddle post, it's awesome.
2007-09-21 19:45:38
276.   Mattpat11
Damnit to fuck. We're getting into the weak part of the pen now.
2007-09-21 19:45:49
277.   yankz
273 HA!
2007-09-21 19:45:55
278.   Flip Play
Damnit!
2007-09-21 19:46:06
279.   yankz
Do you send Joba out there?
2007-09-21 19:47:17
280.   pistolpete
273 I wish!
2007-09-21 19:47:38
281.   Mattpat11
I'll never understand how someone can leave any baseball game, let alone this one.
2007-09-21 19:47:50
282.   RIYank
279 Yup.

Joba 42:10
... The LORD gave Joba twice as much as he had before.

2007-09-21 19:48:29
283.   pistolpete
I think you have to win all the games you can now, sew up that WC, then everyone can have all the rest they want.

Is Viz warming up yet?

2007-09-21 19:48:36
284.   RIYank
(I had some fun with BibleGateway.com this afternoon.)

Oooooooh. Sweet heat.

2007-09-21 19:49:07
285.   yankz
Joba Joba Joba
2007-09-21 19:49:18
286.   Mattpat11
283 I agree. I think you still have to try for the division, but don't sacrifice the playoffs for it
2007-09-21 19:49:47
287.   Mattpat11
Kay complaining about a 92 mph fastball.
2007-09-21 19:50:25
288.   yankz
284 "Sorry. No results found for ""joba"" in Keyword Search."

Damn!

2007-09-21 19:50:29
289.   RIYank
Man. He's getting better.
2007-09-21 19:50:44
290.   Knuckles
4 K's in a row!
Where's my Joba Da Hutt t-shirt?!?!
2007-09-21 19:51:22
291.   RIYank
288 You must be searching the wrong version! It's the King Jamesa.

Joba 32:1

So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.

2007-09-21 19:51:48
292.   yankz
He let Ray Olmedo make contact?!?! Leave him in the pen next year, he doesn't deserve to start.
2007-09-21 19:52:05
293.   pistolpete
Did they run out of commercials? Wha hoppen?
2007-09-21 19:52:27
294.   3rd gen yankee fan
What do you say? There just are no words.

Remember when the signs used to say, "In Mo We Trust"?

2007-09-21 19:52:46
295.   Mattpat11
Why aren't we going to commercial?
2007-09-21 19:53:42
296.   Mattpat11
Damn shift
2007-09-21 19:53:51
297.   seamus
why are we complaining about no commercial. Yay, no commercial!
2007-09-21 19:54:05
298.   pistolpete
Everyone please stop trying to win it with one swing.
2007-09-21 19:54:08
299.   RIYank
294
Joba 31:40
Let thistles grow instead of wheat, and cockle instead of barley. The words of Joba are ended.
2007-09-21 19:54:22
300.   yankz
Will someone please just homer?
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2007-09-21 19:55:19
301.   pistolpete
300 Jose Molina wins it with a walkoff in the 14th. ;-)
2007-09-21 19:55:19
302.   3rd gen yankee fan
298 yes 300 no
2007-09-21 19:55:53
303.   RIYank
298 300 Let's coordinate the entreaties, boys. Don't wanna confuse 'em.
2007-09-21 19:55:55
304.   Flip Play
I'd love Melky to homer here.

Yes, I just stated the obvious.

2007-09-21 19:57:00
305.   pistolpete
Ok, how about this for predicting the future:

335 I knew it!!! YEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!

2007-09-21 19:57:18
306.   Mattpat11
I'd heard good things about McCartney's Russian album (basically old rock covers) and its awesome.
2007-09-21 19:57:53
307.   yankz
I hate this, I was supposed to leave long ago.
2007-09-21 19:58:15
308.   Mattpat11
"Damon has the power to end it on one swing"

In a walk off situation, I have the power to end it on one swing if I run into one.

2007-09-21 19:58:20
309.   3rd gen yankee fan
GET ON BASE

GET ON BASE

2007-09-21 19:58:42
310.   Mattpat11
308 Okay, no I don't, but you get my point.
2007-09-21 19:59:26
311.   Flip Play
306 McCartney has a great old school rockin' voice when he summons it up.

305 LOL

2007-09-21 20:00:05
312.   cult of basebaal
ack! dammit! i'm getting hungry here ... ok, gonna chance it and run to the store
2007-09-21 20:00:25
313.   Zack
no good
2007-09-21 20:01:19
314.   yankz
Oh my god I just looked at Dirty Sanchez's Gameday pic.
2007-09-21 20:01:27
315.   rconn23
God, save for the 9th our offense has been beyond awful.

Is Toronto's bullpen supposed to be this good?

2007-09-21 20:03:07
316.   Mattpat11
314 What?
2007-09-21 20:03:42
317.   RIYank
308 This is trouble, I can just smell it.
2007-09-21 20:03:44
318.   yankz
316 Look at Reed Johnson's Gameday pic- it looks like a Dirty Sanchez gone wrong.
2007-09-21 20:04:22
319.   yankz
315 ERA of Toronto pitchers tonight: 3.71, 2.28, 2.40, 2.20.
2007-09-21 20:05:29
320.   RIYank
Whew! The always-dangerous Overbay retired.
2007-09-21 20:05:53
321.   pistolpete
318 Reed, ya have a little schmutz on your chin...
2007-09-21 20:06:00
322.   Alex Belth
Giambi at first reminds me of that old commercial for "Operation."

"It takes a very steady hand..."

2007-09-21 20:06:25
323.   Eirias
Well, there went the off-day. This burnt up all the rest we had.
2007-09-21 20:06:54
324.   Alex Belth
Think he'll pitch around Rios here...?
2007-09-21 20:07:31
325.   Mattpat11
320 Frankly, even though they're mathematically eliminated, I won't bet against the power of The O winning the division for them
2007-09-21 20:07:35
326.   rconn23
Would anyone have a problem walking Rios ?
2007-09-21 20:07:40
327.   Alex Belth
Man, Viz loves to take his time between pitches...
2007-09-21 20:08:14
328.   pistolpete
I don't think I went far enough ahead with my prediction post.
2007-09-21 20:08:25
329.   Alex Belth
Oh, nice breaking pitch dropped in to make it 2-2....
2007-09-21 20:08:38
330.   Mattpat11
I think Sal Fasano is dealing with some very serious problems with his pregnant wife. IIRC, his newborn is going to immediately need open heart surgery upon birth.

Sal seems like a great guy and I wish him the best.

2007-09-21 20:08:56
331.   yankz
330 Damn, me too.
2007-09-21 20:09:06
332.   JeremyM
326 I dunno, Fasano lurks.....
2007-09-21 20:09:28
333.   yankz
Wish him the best, I mean. I don't need heart surgery. (I hope.)
2007-09-21 20:09:34
334.   RIYank
325 The O cares not for mathematics!

326 No, I think Viz. will be sure not to give Rios a pitch he can hit...

2007-09-21 20:09:43
335.   yankz
I just saved a ton of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
2007-09-21 20:10:08
336.   yankz
305 YES! I only got one chance to do it, and I pulled it off.
2007-09-21 20:10:25
337.   pistolpete
Should have just saved his arm and gave him the IBB
2007-09-21 20:10:34
338.   Mattpat11
330

http://tinyurl.com/ypysng

Here's the article.

2007-09-21 20:10:37
339.   RIYank
334 Sure didn't.
2007-09-21 20:10:44
340.   BklynBmr
Good job by Viz. Didn't make a mistake...
2007-09-21 20:10:45
341.   JeremyM
332 And the bad timing award goes to........
2007-09-21 20:11:06
342.   Chyll Will
335 and that's a NICE SAVE >;)
2007-09-21 20:11:54
343.   RIYank
305 335 336 Clutch!
2007-09-21 20:12:00
344.   yankz
342 Thanks!

OK, forget about Rios, get the guy WITHOUT AN AB THIS YEAR!

2007-09-21 20:12:02
345.   pistolpete
If this goes much longer, Sean Henn will be a featured player tomorrow.
2007-09-21 20:12:19
346.   yankz
343 I stole Arod's mojo.
2007-09-21 20:12:21
347.   Alex Belth
Oh, where was that 0-1 pitch, blue!
2007-09-21 20:12:38
348.   pistolpete
335 Beautiful. I love that game.
2007-09-21 20:12:57
349.   Mattpat11
345 He may show up tonight. Isn't his role on the team to lose extra inning games?
2007-09-21 20:13:31
350.   Alex Belth
Shit.
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2007-09-21 20:13:35
351.   yankz
341 It's ok, I think you were the only one who got my Danny Glover joke.

348 Thanks!

2007-09-21 20:13:37
352.   Mattpat11
Ohforchristsakes.
2007-09-21 20:13:38
353.   RIYank
Ugly.
Wow, good thing Rios didn't steal.
2007-09-21 20:13:43
354.   pistolpete
Ugh. Should have wasted one, Viz.
2007-09-21 20:14:06
355.   yankz
Inglett is now OPSing 2.000 on the year.
2007-09-21 20:14:17
356.   Alex Belth
Hill is a pain in the ass.
2007-09-21 20:14:34
357.   RIYank
349 I thought he was just supposed to come in and walk a lefty.
2007-09-21 20:14:38
358.   BklynBmr
353 Unbelieveable he wasn't sent...
2007-09-21 20:14:39
359.   Alex Belth
C'MON VIZ !
2007-09-21 20:15:04
360.   Mattpat11
355 MVP!
2007-09-21 20:15:14
361.   yankz
357 Villone
2007-09-21 20:15:20
362.   Alex Belth
PUT HIM AWAY...
2007-09-21 20:15:22
363.   pistolpete
That's it, I'm turning my back as with the first 2 outs. I'm on the laptop at the dining room table watching the reflection of the game in the patio door.
2007-09-21 20:15:55
364.   JeremyM
351 Guess they're too old for that shit.
2007-09-21 20:15:56
365.   Chyll Will
358 ...must be sleepy.
2007-09-21 20:15:56
366.   Mattpat11
361 See? Everyone has a role.
2007-09-21 20:16:29
367.   RIYank
361 Of course. And before him, Myers.
2007-09-21 20:16:43
368.   yankz
364 Yeah, probably. Still, it's a total classic.
2007-09-21 20:17:05
369.   Mattpat11
Kay couldn't see that was going foul?
2007-09-21 20:17:25
370.   JeremyM
368 See, now you missed MY Danny Glover joke... I think.
2007-09-21 20:17:44
371.   RIYank
Nice job.
Thanks be to Cashman for bringing Molina unto us.
2007-09-21 20:17:46
372.   pistolpete
How's that BUC position now?
2007-09-21 20:17:58
373.   yankz
370 Yeah, definitely. I'm guessing a Lethal Weapon reference?
2007-09-21 20:18:02
374.   Alex Belth
NICE. That half inning took 16 minutes...

So you know it's gunna be number 13 in the 13th, right?

Let's Go Yan Kees!

2007-09-21 20:18:15
375.   Mattpat11
334 The O has very little use for our moral world.
2007-09-21 20:18:28
376.   BklynBmr
Mo!lina. Playin' the position...
2007-09-21 20:18:32
377.   Chyll Will
370 Where was the first joke?
2007-09-21 20:18:58
378.   yankz
2007-09-21 20:19:09
379.   Mattpat11
371 Little doubt in my mind that Wil would have somehow screwed that up.
2007-09-21 20:19:15
380.   BklynBmr
374 Was thinkin' Lucky 13 all the way...
2007-09-21 20:19:45
381.   yankz
Add 2.27 to the list of Toronto pitchers' ERA
2007-09-21 20:19:48
382.   Mattpat11
375 MORTAL world.

Maybe the moral world as well. The hell do I know about his private life.

2007-09-21 20:20:04
383.   pistolpete
373 http://imdb.com/title/tt0109127/
2007-09-21 20:20:26
384.   RIYank
We have a good line-up. That's all there is to it.

This is it, there is no luckier number for the Yankees than 13.

2007-09-21 20:20:32
385.   JeremyM
373 Exactly. It's his line, he's too old for this shit....
2007-09-21 20:20:37
386.   Chyll Will
378 Oh, I get it. I didn't see it before...
2007-09-21 20:20:54
387.   BklynBmr
Good sign. Wolfe in. They'll be howlin' in The Bronx...
2007-09-21 20:21:03
388.   pistolpete
De-rek JEE-TURRR clap clap clap clap clap....
2007-09-21 20:21:07
389.   Mattpat11
373 Angels in the Outfield, dude.

"Looks like a prison photo."

2007-09-21 20:21:10
390.   cult of basebaal
way to start it jetes!
2007-09-21 20:21:42
391.   yankz
385 Ohhhh yeahhh...
2007-09-21 20:22:00
392.   pistolpete
Ugh, no reason to cheer on that one, people at the game.
2007-09-21 20:22:15
393.   RIYank
Bang, base hit!

382 I like both. But then, I'm a particular afficianado of the O.

2007-09-21 20:22:17
394.   yankz
Abreu, you Nacho Butt!
2007-09-21 20:22:34
395.   cult of basebaal
ummm ... not the way to continue it, bob
2007-09-21 20:22:51
396.   RIYank
393 Wow, that was realllly late. But I'm caught up now.
2007-09-21 20:23:04
397.   Mattpat11
393 The O doesn't need your fandom.
2007-09-21 20:23:21
398.   RIYank
Why didn't Abreu bunt? Because they didn't want the Jays to walk A-Rod?
2007-09-21 20:23:21
399.   yankz
Arod for the win? Hey, "It could happen."
2007-09-21 20:23:29
400.   pistolpete
That's okay Bobby, just send him the dry cleaning bill.
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2007-09-21 20:23:37
401.   cult of basebaal
c'mon, now is the time for a-*g*od to return
2007-09-21 20:23:46
402.   Mattpat11
Isn't Kennedy starting this weekend?
2007-09-21 20:23:52
403.   rconn23
It has to be A-Rod.Matsui is terrible tonight.
2007-09-21 20:23:57
404.   RIYank
397 Maybe 'fealty' would have been a better word.
2007-09-21 20:24:18
405.   Flip Play
Craaaaaaaaaap. I have to leave.

AROD HOMER!

2007-09-21 20:24:39
406.   RIYank
Argh!

402 No, scratched. Tight upper back muscles.

2007-09-21 20:24:44
407.   pistolpete
This is awful - everyone's trying to be the hero. JUST MOVE THE LINE, PEOPLE.
2007-09-21 20:25:07
408.   yankz
402 No- scratched with a back problem.
2007-09-21 20:25:36
409.   Zack
two weeks ago A-Rod woulda creamed that...slumparific...sigh
2007-09-21 20:26:30
410.   yankz
Everyone start flapping your arms!
2007-09-21 20:26:34
411.   Mattpat11
[408} Who the hell is starting?
2007-09-21 20:27:09
412.   cult of basebaal
that's alright ... it's gonna be leatherface for the win!
2007-09-21 20:27:19
413.   Mattpat11
410 Not until I see Christopher Lloyd.
2007-09-21 20:27:49
414.   RIYank
Hey, another Kennedy. Joe, no less. It's like Hyannisport.
2007-09-21 20:28:20
415.   Chyll Will
I'm hungry...
2007-09-21 20:28:21
416.   pistolpete
Anyone seen the squirrel?
2007-09-21 20:28:47
417.   RIYank
411 Clemens. They're just moving everyone up. (There were six in the rotation.)
2007-09-21 20:29:31
418.   Mattpat11
411 Clemens on Saturday, Hughes Sunday Mussina Monday?
2007-09-21 20:29:32
419.   BklynBmr
414 I'm rootin' for Chappaquiddick here...
2007-09-21 20:29:36
420.   Chyll Will
416 No thank you!
2007-09-21 20:29:53
421.   Mattpat11
418 That should be 417
2007-09-21 20:30:07
422.   RIYank
Good enough. Now I don't mind the fact that Abreu didn't bunt!
2007-09-21 20:30:18
423.   yankz
Molina's going to do it.
2007-09-21 20:30:24
424.   cult of basebaal
By the Power of Molina, I command you!
2007-09-21 20:30:28
425.   Mattpat11
Come on Jose.
2007-09-21 20:30:51
426.   Mattpat11
Okay Jose. You're not going to hit a HR. go for a single.
2007-09-21 20:30:54
427.   pistolpete
301 I hope I'm partially wrong.
2007-09-21 20:31:29
428.   Mattpat11
Ack.
2007-09-21 20:31:35
429.   Knuckles
If this goes to the 14th, I'm gonna need more beer.

Dammit.

2007-09-21 20:31:38
430.   RIYank
418 Yes. (It's in the sidebar now, "Upcoming Schedule).

Goddamit!!!!
It would have been nice to have Jorgie up there, huh?

2007-09-21 20:31:52
431.   Zack
ugh, anticlimactic
2007-09-21 20:32:08
432.   JeremyM
I'm a little concerned right now, the comeback was nice but it seems this team stinks during free baseball, offensively.
2007-09-21 20:32:20
433.   cult of basebaal
meh!
2007-09-21 20:32:46
434.   cult of basebaal
429 if this goes longer, i'm gonna have to open more wine ...
2007-09-21 20:32:56
435.   yankz
Farnsworth? That eliminates him from tomorrow...
2007-09-21 20:32:56
436.   RIYank
This would be much tenser if Detroit had won a couple more games, huh?
2007-09-21 20:33:19
437.   cult of basebaal
uh-oh ... baba-bruney
2007-09-21 20:33:33
438.   yankz
Bold prediction: Bruney will walk at least one.
2007-09-21 20:33:40
439.   Mattpat11
Oh no.
2007-09-21 20:33:53
440.   Mattpat11
BBrian BBruney
2007-09-21 20:33:53
441.   rconn23
Wow. I mean just unreal how futile this offense is tonight. I mean, wow.

As a side note, that is probably the worst Joe Kennedy has ever made a hitter look.

2007-09-21 20:34:34
442.   Zack
Ugh, Bruney, this won't end well
2007-09-21 20:34:35
443.   Mattpat11
And Of Course, Kay only cares about the velocity.
2007-09-21 20:34:41
444.   pistolpete
Oh Jeebus Christmas, Bruney.
2007-09-21 20:34:53
445.   RIYank
I expected Farns. Instead it's Farns Lite.
2007-09-21 20:35:21
446.   Knuckles
The Rogers Sportsnet guys said that if Bruney stays within himself, he's a decent pitcher.

I'd settle for his gut staying within his waistband.

2007-09-21 20:35:35
447.   nyy jim
If we somehow survive the top of this inning, let's try being a little more patient at bat and getting into hitters counts. We are making it too easy for the jays pitchers.
2007-09-21 20:35:49
448.   OldYanksFan
Nothing like using your entire BP in one game.
2007-09-21 20:35:52
449.   Mattpat11
442 There were no good options.
2007-09-21 20:36:03
450.   Javi Javi
445 I don't know about "lite"
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2007-09-21 20:36:17
451.   RIYank
Why isn't Henn pitching this inning, come to think of it? Three lefties.

Hey! Well, Bruney tried his best to walk him. What can you do if they insist on swinging?

2007-09-21 20:36:25
452.   BklynBmr
I don't believe what I just saw!
2007-09-21 20:37:23
453.   RIYank
Ah.
Well.
Now the walks don't sound so bad.
2007-09-21 20:37:27
454.   BklynBmr
Now I do...
2007-09-21 20:37:28
455.   pistolpete
452 Does that fix it?
2007-09-21 20:37:29
456.   pistolpete
452 Does that fix it?
2007-09-21 20:37:32
457.   Javi Javi
bruney.
2007-09-21 20:37:32
458.   Mattpat11
BRUNEY YOU FUCKING SUCK.
2007-09-21 20:37:39
459.   yankz
Hey, predictable!
2007-09-21 20:37:50
460.   Zack
Oh Jesus. Figures
2007-09-21 20:37:58
461.   cult of basebaal
well, guess i won't need the next bottle after all ...
2007-09-21 20:38:01
462.   pistolpete
Pete Abe jinxed it with his 11:19 comment.
2007-09-21 20:38:13
463.   rconn23
I hate Bruney. Hate him. Hate him. Hate him.
2007-09-21 20:38:15
464.   yankz
If only Posada wasn't a fucking moron on the bases.
2007-09-21 20:38:55
465.   Mattpat11
I hate losing to this fucking team.
2007-09-21 20:39:18
466.   cult of basebaal
463 wow, you've got a low standard for hate ... shit, it's just baba-bruney
2007-09-21 20:39:49
467.   BklynBmr
455 See 454
2007-09-21 20:39:53
468.   SF Yanks
Bruney is a complete and utter waste. There is no other way of putting it. Its pathetic really.
2007-09-21 20:40:08
469.   rconn23
this is all on the offense though.
2007-09-21 20:40:17
470.   Mattpat11
"Kay you might say "Well why not Farnsworth"

No, I in fact did not.

2007-09-21 20:40:21
471.   JeremyM
The comeback was actually a net loss instead of a gain, because they wasted all of there good pitchers. Might as well have laid the bats down and called it a night in the 9th instead of doing it for the next 4 innings.
2007-09-21 20:40:34
472.   monkeypants
Whatever. They burned Mo, Joba, and Viz and the score remained tied for four extra innings. the highest scoring team in the league shoud be able to push one across between the 9th and 13th. I can't get too upset if the seventh relief pitcher gives up the lead...
2007-09-21 20:40:54
473.   Mattpat11
470 That should read

Kay: "You might say why not Farnsworth"

2007-09-21 20:40:54
474.   yankz
Maybe they have another inning of magic in them.
2007-09-21 20:41:47
475.   yankz
472 Amen. And A-women too.

(Trying to squeeze as many AitO quotes as possible.)

2007-09-21 20:41:51
476.   Mattpat11
And if the Yankees lose tomorrow as well because THEY'RE SO TIRED! I'll fucking blow my stack.
2007-09-21 20:42:28
477.   BklynBmr
471 Can the Yanks bat in bottom of this inning? Just askin'...
2007-09-21 20:42:30
478.   pistolpete
Gee, thanks Brian.
2007-09-21 20:42:51
479.   yankz
Why was Sanchez trying to bat?

Oh, and Bruney K's the side?

2007-09-21 20:43:21
480.   yankz
REMEMBER CLEVELAND
2007-09-21 20:43:36
481.   Knuckles
c'mon, a run or three here now guys...
2007-09-21 20:44:29
482.   yankz
481 Definitely not 1. I'd rather lose the game than go to the 15th.
2007-09-21 20:45:34
483.   Mattpat11
It is Joe Kennedy
2007-09-21 20:45:37
484.   RIYank
479 Yeah, 3K. Hey, he throws really hard.
2007-09-21 20:45:45
485.   rconn23
this is worse than getting beat 4-0. now we have no bullpen.
2007-09-21 20:45:48
486.   cult of basebaal
at least the angels are losing
2007-09-21 20:46:06
487.   pistolpete
STOP THAT, Kay!
2007-09-21 20:46:19
488.   JeremyM
477 Yeah, but get 2 runs:) Actually, now that we're into the crappy end of the pen, they can burn those guys like a string of Black Cats for all I care.
2007-09-21 20:46:27
489.   RIYank
482 I almost said that! But nah, I'd go to the 15th. Extra innings are awesome.
2007-09-21 20:46:35
490.   Javi Javi
Kay, doing his best John Sterling imitation.
2007-09-21 20:47:28
491.   pistolpete
We KNOW the Sox score. MOVE ON.
2007-09-21 20:48:10
492.   yankz
Fuck it, I'll just blame their lack of focus.
2007-09-21 20:48:16
493.   RIYank
Aw, Rob. After all that.
2007-09-21 20:48:58
494.   Javi Javi
the ball shoots out of the back of his head?
2007-09-21 20:50:26
495.   Mattpat11
And on top of all this bad news, Farnsworth is available tomorrow.
2007-09-21 20:50:28
496.   pistolpete
So this is how it ends? With Devil Ray/Rockies castoff shutting down the best offense in the majors with his junk slop of a pitching repertoire?

Yeesh.

2007-09-21 20:51:08
497.   yankz
Oh shit, I just realized that this is the game.
2007-09-21 20:51:11
498.   pistolpete
Oh Jesus Gibbons, you're 13 f*cking games out.
2007-09-21 20:51:39
499.   yankz
Pretend he's a young Sox fan, Shelley.
2007-09-21 20:51:57
500.   cult of basebaal
time for a Shelley-Smash!
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2007-09-21 20:52:06
501.   RIYank
Oh, good, I was afraid the game wouldn't last long enough.
2007-09-21 20:52:47
502.   rconn23
Aahh. Trying to recapture some of that Shelly Duncan magic that ran out about three weeks ago.
2007-09-21 20:53:19
503.   pistolpete
Not sure why this is necessary - playing for pride?

There's no danger of them finishing 2nd and no danger of them finishing 4th. Just leave the guy in.

2007-09-21 20:54:02
504.   yankz
OMG
2007-09-21 20:54:44
505.   RIYank
Hm, I don't like that. I'd rather see Shelley hit.
2007-09-21 20:55:48
506.   pistolpete
Are.

You.

Shitting.

Me?

2007-09-21 20:55:53
507.   Knuckles
Ump wanted to go home...
2007-09-21 20:56:04
508.   yankz
Great way to spend 32 hours
2007-09-21 20:56:11
509.   cult of basebaal
ah, well, as frost said, not with a bang, but with a whimper ...
2007-09-21 20:56:34
510.   RIYank
Ohhhhhhh.

Oh well.
The Jays' pen is also burnt. We'll nail them tomorrow.

See youse.

2007-09-21 20:56:49
511.   OldYanksFan
Ump wants to go home. That pitch was low.
2007-09-21 20:56:50
512.   Mattpat11
Wow Wilson! Great job there! I've never seen a better "Pinch stand there and do nothing" appearence in my life! Great job!
2007-09-21 20:57:00
513.   rconn23
Why even bother? Fucking pathetic.
2007-09-21 20:57:32
514.   Javi Javi
crap call. If that's a strike, I'm the leave britney alone girl(guy)
2007-09-21 20:57:55
515.   Yanks Fan in Chicago
ts eliot
2007-09-21 20:58:21
516.   Mattpat11
And I'm telling you right now. If this team loses tomorrow because they're SO TIRED after this joke of an effort, Joe Torre should run them and show them what tired is.

They HAVE TO win the next three.

2007-09-21 20:58:49
517.   JeremyM
512 He's pretty good at those, he Ks looking an awful lot. Although it seems that was a bad call.
2007-09-21 20:59:29
518.   nick
terrible call, and Betemit's whole game is based around controlling the strike zone--what can you do?
2007-09-21 20:59:37
519.   pistolpete
I'm sure the morons on that SOSH board are thrilled we lost AND burned our pen.

This will just make me cranky for the whole day tomorrow...ugh.

2007-09-21 21:00:30
520.   JeremyM
Seriously, and I didn't see the pitch, but the umpiring has been so bad this season, all across the board.
2007-09-21 21:01:58
521.   nick
516 dude, and I use the respectful form of "dude", maybe you could chill?--there is just no "have to" involved in the difference between division title and wild card in the year of our lord 2008--I mean, you could be a Pirates fan--a little perspective, maybe? Halliday shut us down and Brian Bruney's fat gopher showed up: shit happens.
2007-09-21 21:02:00
522.   Mattpat11
If we're going to lose, can we at least burn Farnsworth?
2007-09-21 21:07:26
523.   BklynBmr
Too many games left anyway. If both streaks continued for another few games, and Yanks are up by 1, you can bet the tide would turn again — that is if you're still into winning the division. And who wants to go through us getting a half game lead and losing it the next day?

2 in the loss column? I'd rather catch 'em at the very end of the chase. Still could happen. We'll see.

Odds are there will October baseball in The Boogie Down, and I'm diggin' this year's version. Like 'Cap says, let's just try to win every game and see what happens...

Then, LOOK OUT!

2007-09-21 21:08:35
524.   Mattpat11
521 There's no reason to lose this this ballclub when you have something to play for.
2007-09-21 21:15:13
525.   nick
522 this, on the other hand, I agree with 100%...sigh...
2007-09-21 21:17:25
526.   cult of basebaal
i wish jim dean was here, then we could blame this on cashman ...
2007-09-21 21:30:13
527.   Mattpat11
523 This is true. We weren't going to end the year on 14 game winning streak or whatever it was. We can lose tonight, win the series and keep on going.
2007-09-21 21:48:43
528.   SF Yanks
Looks like Hughes is going tomorrow, as Clemens got pushed back.
2007-09-21 21:52:43
529.   yankz
How many of us care that much about the division? It'd be nice, but with CLE and LAA ahead of BOS right now, HFA won't necessarily come with it (and I'm the best at the 3-letter acronym, apparently). It wasn't supposed to happen anyway.
2007-09-21 21:53:45
530.   yankz
Dude, day game tomorrow? Rough.
2007-09-22 01:51:31
531.   Mattpat11
529 Well,it was supposed to happen. The Yankees own alarming and staggering incompetence in the beginning of the year that hurt the cause.
2007-09-22 05:39:37
532.   OldYanksFan
Look.. I want to win the division as much as anyone. I live in RSN territory and I hate them 'beating' us.

But the second the first pitch of the PS is thrown, this will all be forgotten. We can still win the AL title, we can still win the WS title.

We have the best hitting of the PS teams, but we probably have the worst pitching. The last thing we need are tired, overworked pitchers entering the PS.

Frankly, the second we clinch the WC, I would sit Jeter for rest, ARod a few days for perspective, Mats ASAP, Posada every other day, and give Minky, Shelly, Betemin, Molina and the rest of the scrubs a chance to swing the bat. And DH Giambi EVERYDAY. We MUST get Giambi feeling good at the plate.

We WANT to win the division.
But we HAVE to win in the PS.
Lets remember that forrest and trees thing.

2007-09-22 06:04:18
533.   vockins
532 Exactly.

How many AL East Division Champions banners are hanging in Yankee Stadium again?

2007-09-22 06:40:45
534.   OldYanksFan
And on the side:
Mr. Barry Bonds is looking for work.
Last year his salary was around $15m.
He will have around 350 ABs, or 2/3rds of a full season when done. And the old bastard has ONLY posted an OPS of 1.050.

More then anything he wants a WS. A few mil means nothing compared to winning a WS in maybe hus 1 or 2 remaining years.

If he got 350 ABs as an OFer, how many can he handle as a DH? Probably 450?

My guess is the Halos will offer him $12m+/- to DH. Maybe Minn. will take a stab at it.

Love him, hate him or really hate him, he will fill seats. Lots of them. And if LA gets him for $12m it will be a steal. And they will be much better. Think Vlad, with Barry on deck.

Honestly, I'm glad Boston has a full time DH who can't play the field.

I think as a DH on a winning team, Bonds will be awesome in 2008.

There are a LOT of players who did steroids. And while he has sullied his career, he is still a superhuman ballplayer.

2007-09-22 07:15:52
535.   JL25and3
529 Which shows, once again, how the wild card can suck all the excitement out of a pennant race. How cool would this last week be if it really meant something?
2007-09-22 07:29:48
536.   yankz
535 If the Tigers didn't suddenly suck, it would mean something.
2007-09-22 07:30:31
537.   vockins
535 Ask a Mets fan how cool it is.
2007-09-22 07:31:07
538.   JL25and3
536 "Would mean something if" doesn't add much juice.
2007-09-22 07:33:16
539.   yankz
538 Even under your system, shitty playoff races are inevitable. It's not always going to come down to the wire.

And look at the NL- great races are going on because there's a WC to play for AND because there are divisions up for grabs.

And yeah, see 537 .

2007-09-22 07:35:45
540.   OldYanksFan
535 While there is some truth to that, there are other factors.

The WC itself generates meaning to a lot of games at the end of the year. As it's intent IS to offer some smaller market teams a greater chance of making the PS.

Detroit (not so much right now), Philly and many other teams are still playing meaningful games. If you count the number of fans who benefit, we are talking many millions.

Maybe if there was a $50m minimum cap and a $120 maximum cap, we could do away will this.

Also, there are benefits to the team of the 4 PS teams with the best record. We already have a HFA and I believe they will continue to try and reward this team more in the future.

I would like to see:
The team with the best record PICKS their ALDS competition. This would be a big benefit. And the WC winner NEVER has HFA, correct?

Personally, in thinking about winning vs lsoing the Division:
If we WIN, we get HFA in 2 series and get to pick... 'Cleveland'...regardless of how Cleveland/Angels/Boston places. Or maybe we pick Boston. Our choice. That would be nice.
If we LOSE, we never have HFA, and we play whoever the Best Record does NOT want to play. In these short series, I believe both those advantages have meaning.

Also... the Division race is ONLY watered down in the division with the WC winner. So 2 of 3 Divisions are still an all out fight. And sometime the WC is not determined until the last minute. Remember last year?

It ain't perfect and the system was designed to MAKE MORE MONEY for MLB, not to make for better baseball. But I think, even with it's flaws, the WC does make for a better end-of-season.

Also, the WS HFA should go to the team with the better record (fuck this ASG bullshit). That's a little more incentive too.

2007-09-22 07:36:50
541.   JL25and3
537 I think the NL East would also be more exciting if it were all-or-nothing.
2007-09-22 07:37:50
542.   monkeypants
534 "...he is still a superhuman ballplayer."

Interesting choice of words. 'Superhuman' would, in fact, acccurately describe a person as juiced as people think Bonds has been.

2007-09-22 07:39:17
543.   JL25and3
540 I'm not saying that the wild card provides no benefits for anyone. I'm saying that there are times when it takes excitement away as well as times when it adds excitement. I've always said that any system that would have made the '78 playoff game unnecessary can't be all good.

Playing for home-field advantage will never, ever provide real excitement going down to the wire. It's a nice thing to have, but it's not a win-or-go-home situation.

2007-09-22 07:46:15
544.   weeping for brunnhilde
I missed the rest of the game last night, but I'm catching the encore on YES.

Did you guys dig that inside-out swing by Jason!?

Wow.

Some ninth, eh?

2007-09-22 07:48:54
545.   weeping for brunnhilde
543 Agreed, JL. Homefield doesn't cut it, but how about if the wild card team were seriously handicapped, needing to win four of five in a short series?

That way they'd get to play in the postseason, but they'd really have to overwhelm the opposition to advance.

2007-09-22 07:50:42
546.   weeping for brunnhilde
532 Agreed, OYF.

Every word.

2007-09-22 08:04:22
547.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love how Joba has the decency to turn away from the batter he's just humiliated when he does his fist-pump.

He turns, screams, pumps, composes himself, turns around and walks back to the dugout like a professional.

I love this kid.

2007-09-22 08:14:18
548.   weeping for brunnhilde
And why does YES bother to do encores if they're going to skip innings?
2007-09-22 08:54:22
549.   Mike T
Let's say the Sox do end up winning the division. Hey, good for them, they've earned it. All I really care about is getting into the playoffs.
2007-09-22 09:24:08
550.   OldYanksFan
545 The problem is the WC is NOT necessarily a 'weak sister'. I believe Boston as a WC had a better record then (one, both?) of the division leaders. This year, the NL WC will have a better record then the Cnetral Division winner. Also, this year, the Yankees are within a couple of games of all 3 division (leaders). Might best one of them. Do we 'punish' a team for being in a better division?

The WC is at MINIMUM the 4th best record... and sometimes better. It's no different then taking the division leader from 4 divisions, or the top 2 from 2 divisions.

And HFA does have value. I'd much rather play the Sox in NY then at Fenway.

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2007-09-22 09:32:55
551.   monkeypants
550 "And HFA does have value. I'd much rather play the Sox in NY then at Fenway."

Perhaps, but historically HFA advantage has proven to be less important in MLB than in other major sports.

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