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2007-09-17 13:16
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Yankees have gone 14-5 in their 19 series since the All-Star break. Of those five loses, one came in Anaheim, one came in Detroit, one came at home against the Devil Rays (something of a let-down series after the Yanks had swept the Red Sox), and two came against the Orioles. The first of those series came while the O's were running off an 8-2 stretch to start Dave Trembley's managerial career. The second came after the O's had taken two of three from the Red Sox via a pair of walk-off wins. Since the last time these two teams met, however, the O's have been a staggeringly awful 8-21 (.276). Curiously the slump began immediately after it was announced on August 21 that Trembley would return as the O's manager next season, with the Birds promptly embarking on a nine-game losing streak after the announcement.

You can put your conspiracy theories away, however, as the O's, despite their history of closing up shop early, have an excuse this time: injuries. Cy Young candidate Erik Bedard won the day day of Trembley's extension, but tanked his next start after which he revealed he'd been pitching through an oblique strain, which has since shut him down for the season. Two weeks later, Jeremy Guthrie left a game with the same injury and hasn't pitched since. A week after that Danys Baez tore something in his elbow which ended his season. In the meantime rookie Garrett Olson, who was attempting to replace Bedard, strained his forearm (he hasn't even thrown on the side since then), and Radhames Liz, who was competing with Olson for a rotation spot, got roughed up so badly that he was banished to the bullpen despite the injuries to the others. On offense, center fielder Corey Patterson, who was hitting .313/.333/.458 in the second half, has been out since September 5 with a sprained ankle, and Melvin Mora was benched for four games with a tight back.

It's no wonder the O's have packed it up, shipping Steve Trachsel to the Cubs and taking flyers on repeated castoffs Victor Zambrano and Fernando Cabrera, who are trying to make good in the rotation and in the rotating closer spot respectively.

Still, the O's seem to be figuring some things out, having won three of their last four by shutting out the Angels on Thursday and taking two of three from the Blue Jays over the weekend. Tonight the O's send the erratic Daniel Cabrera to the mound in the Bronx. Cabrera's coming off a stinker against the Angels (4 1/3 IP, 10 R). That was preceeded by an outing in which he was ejected after instigating a fight with the Red Sox after giving up three runs in 3 2/3 innings. Before that he turned in two nearly identical quality starts (6 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 1 HR, 4 BB, 7 and 8 K) against the Sox and Rangers. Before that another stinker (5 IP, 6 R), and before that 6 2/3 shutout innings against . . . the Yankees (who walked six times but managed just two hits). Go figure this guy, anyway.

The Yanks counter with Phil Hughes, who's had two good starts in a row, battling back from an ugly first two innings in his last outing in Toronto, and posting this combined line in those two starts: 12 IP, 8 H, 4 R (3 ER), 1 HR, 5 BB, 7 K. He's still not the Phil Hughes who dominated the Indians and nearly no-hit the Rangers, but he seems to be figuring things out. Here's hoping he continues that trend tonight.

Baltimore Orioles

2007 Record: 2007 Pythagorean Record:

Manager: Dave Trembley
General Manager: Mike Flanagan

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): Oriole Park at Camden Yards (99/99)

Changes:

  • Freddie Bynum was activated from the DL
  • Erik Bedard was placed on the 60-day DL
  • Steve Trachsel was traded to the Cubs
  • Paul Shuey was released
  • Jon Leicester and Kurt Birkins were promoted from triple-A
  • Radhames Liz was promoted from double-A
  • Luis Hernandez, Gustavo Molina, and Fernando Cabrera (the last of whom was just signed to a minor league contract in late August) were called up with expanded rosters
  • Victor Zambrano and Victor Santos were purchased from the Pirates and Reds respectively and added to the expanded major league roster

25-man Roster

1B - Kevin Millar (R)
2B - Brian Roberts (S)
SS - Miguel Tejada (R)
3B - Melvin Mora (R)
C - Ramon Hernandez (R)
RF - Nick Markakis (L)
CF - Tike Redman (L)
LF - Jay Payton (R)
DH - Aubrey Huff (L)

Bench:

L - Freddie Bynum (UT)
L - Brandon Fahey (UT)
S - Luis Hernandez (IF)
L - Paul Bako (C)
R - J.R. House (C/1B)
R - Gustavo Molina (C)
L - Corey Patterson (OF)*

Rotation:

R - Daniel Cabrera
R - Jon Leicester
L - Brian Burres
R - Victor Zambrano
R - Victor Santos
R - Jeremy Guthrie*
L - Garrett Olson*

Bullpen:

L - Jamie Walker
R - Chad Bradford
R - Jim Hoey
L - Kurt Birkins
R - Rob Bell
R - Fernando Cabrera
R - Radhames Liz
R - Danys Baez**

60-day DL: L - Jay Gibbons (OF/1B), L - Erik Bedard, R - Chris Ray, L - Adam Loewen, R - Jaret Wright, R - Kris Benson

*Injured
**Out for the season

Typical Lineup:

S - Brian Roberts (2B)
L - Tike Redman (CF)
L - Nick Markakis (RF)
R - Miguel Tejada (SS)
R - Kevin Millar (1B)
L - Aubrey Huff (3B)
R - Melvin Mora (3B)
R - Ramon Hernandez (C)
R - Jay Payton (LF)

Comments (501)
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2007-09-17 14:44:49
1.   mehmattski
PeteAbe confirms the report we had two threads ago that Mo was injured on an errant throw coming from the Boston bullpen. Mo told Ron Villone that he "couldn't feel his arm," and explains the poor control last night. Apparently the throw came from the hand of Eric Gagne.

In 11 starts against the Yankees, Daniel Cabrera is 3-4 with a 3.90 ERA, and a 36/42 K/BB ratio in 64 IP. This season he's started against the Yanks thrice: he's given up 4 runs on 6 hits in 6 innings twice, and the 6 2/3 of shutout ball that Cliff mentioned. I would not be surprised to find the Yankees win in a laugher tonight.

2007-09-17 14:48:55
2.   yankz
Anyone seen this? Jonah Keri must be related to that Red Sox kid:

http://tinyurl.com/yp8wj9

2007-09-17 14:50:13
3.   yankz
Eh, on second reading, it's not that bad. It's actually all true (minus the Arod thing).
2007-09-17 14:51:36
4.   yankz
I don't care how bad they are right now. I'm still not expecting anything tonight.
2007-09-17 14:53:51
5.   mehmattski
2 To be fair, other than A-Rod and perhaps Igawa (not enough information to truly hate), is there a Yankee on that list who you doesn't deserve to be there?
2007-09-17 14:55:44
6.   yankz
5 Yeah, see 3 , I overreacted.

Although, this guy has a terrible sense of humor:

"33. Jose Offerman, Boston Red Sox: aka Jose Awfulman"

LOL good one dude!

2007-09-17 14:56:43
7.   mehmattski
6 0-fer man is clearly a better play on his name. Sheesh.
2007-09-17 15:11:16
8.   Bama Yankee
7 I always liked the one about how you spell his name with "two f's and 42 e's"...
2007-09-17 15:22:46
9.   Mattpat11
5 We don't have enough information to hate Igawa?
2007-09-17 15:36:49
10.   yankz
The hyena commenters at With Leather have gotten a hold of Dane Cook, and they do a much better job of being mean than we do:

http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=3888

2007-09-17 15:57:44
11.   JL25and3
7 I always called him Jose "Get the hell" Offerman.
2007-09-17 16:11:22
12.   Cliff Corcoran
8 The Sporting News used to call him JosE-6.
2007-09-17 16:14:39
13.   yankz
God, Kay is an idiot.

Also, I'm reminding myself that Hughes has recently struggled in the 1st but settled after that.

2007-09-17 16:15:12
14.   williamnyy23
Not the kind of start the Yankees needed. Hughes looks very hittable right now.
2007-09-17 16:17:21
15.   williamnyy23
What a horrific beginning...Hughes is maddeningly inconsistent and completely unreliable. The Yankees can't lose to the Orioles...not one game...but already they are in big hole.
2007-09-17 16:18:17
16.   yankz
Damn.
2007-09-17 16:20:53
17.   randym77
An out! Yay!
2007-09-17 16:21:08
18.   williamnyy23
He has absolutely no command of his fastball right now.
2007-09-17 16:25:19
19.   randym77
An ERA of 10 in the first 30 pitches? Yikes.
2007-09-17 16:25:29
20.   Jersey
Man, Hughes is just frustrating this year.
2007-09-17 16:25:59
21.   Jersey
19 More like 18
2007-09-17 16:26:59
22.   Jersey
Hughes' ERA on the year is still lower than Cabrera's.

Which means the bats need to light this clown UP.

2007-09-17 16:27:31
23.   yankz
The good: 2 groundballs
The bad: He sucked. Also, he hasn't struck anyone out since the first batter of the last game.
2007-09-17 16:27:44
24.   seamus
Hughes is going to be good. If anyone expected anything but inconsistency, they were 't being realistic.
2007-09-17 16:27:46
25.   JeremyM
10 What a horrible comeback from Cook.

Now let's go out and outslug these guys, Yanks.

2007-09-17 16:30:37
26.   seamus
I thought Jeter's ball was going to be caught.
2007-09-17 16:31:05
27.   yankz
Captain's back.
2007-09-17 16:31:15
28.   Yankees Brasil
We usually have trouble against crappy pitchers. I'm scared.
2007-09-17 16:31:32
29.   yankz
In the third, Jeter will pass Bernie for 4th all-time on the Yankee hit list.
2007-09-17 16:38:10
30.   williamnyy23
wake up Yankees!!
2007-09-17 16:39:51
31.   yankz
I hate the Orioles.
2007-09-17 16:41:00
32.   Yankees Brasil
Why is Matsui still hitting behind A-Rod? Makes no sense.
2007-09-17 16:41:17
33.   JeremyM
Matsui's nickname should be Mr. Streaky. It's frustrating, because it's obvious that his problem is when he pulls off the ball and yet he continues to do it (to be fair, I'm not watching the game).
2007-09-17 16:42:16
34.   Jersey
25 Has anybody ever seen the Fisher King? I've always felt like Dane Cook was biting off Jeff Bridges' shtick in that movie.
2007-09-17 16:43:46
35.   rbj
34 Good movie. Dane Cook simply bites.
2007-09-17 16:44:59
36.   Jersey
35 This is true.
2007-09-17 16:47:04
37.   yankz
Nice GIDP and all, but why can't he strike ANYBODY out?
2007-09-17 16:47:07
38.   rbj
That's kind of a weird DP

And Girardi's answer should be: "The Orioles suck, they've got a bad owner & no farm system. I ain't sticking my foot in that shit."

2007-09-17 16:50:20
39.   Bob B
On subject 1 I can't believe that another Yankee gets hit by a Redsox Pitcher with no retaliation? And now it's moved into the Bullpen? I say no more Mr. Nice Guy. Varitek needs to be hit a few times every game and Joba need to bring the ball down a bit and hit Youkalis.
2007-09-17 16:51:17
40.   BklynBmr
38 And he should follow that up with, "By the way, Kay, you suck too..."
2007-09-17 16:51:32
41.   randym77
That was a really awful pitch. It went behind Giambi, fer crissakes.
2007-09-17 16:52:14
42.   JeremyM
39 I have to believe it was an accident. That's a line that has never been crossed in baseball. I don't think the Sox or any team would pull that stunt.
2007-09-17 16:54:25
43.   yankz
Plus, Gagne sucks, so you couldn't expect him to actually aim that.
2007-09-17 16:55:35
44.   randym77
This guy is a hazard.
2007-09-17 16:55:52
45.   JeremyM
This guy is a little wild, no?
2007-09-17 16:55:55
46.   Mattpat11
Its not intentional. I certainly hope the Yankees don't react like The midget in Boston.
2007-09-17 16:56:12
47.   yankz
Dougie Fresh for the grannie?
2007-09-17 16:56:24
48.   seamus
44 There should be one of those diamond warning signs on him...
2007-09-17 16:56:42
49.   Bob B
Gee, my Redsox friends don't buy my "errant throw" excuse for Joba either. Actually, considering how bad Gagne has been for the RS, it could be true.
2007-09-17 16:56:52
50.   JeremyM
Not trying to be facetious and I want him left in, but under the other set of Joba Rules, shouldn't he be tossed? After all, in the majors you have to throw strikes, as that ump so wisely intoned.
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2007-09-17 16:57:00
51.   BklynBmr
Take one for the team, Minky...
2007-09-17 16:57:07
52.   fansince77
Cabrera pulling a first inning Hughes.
2007-09-17 16:57:36
53.   JeremyM
49 Well, I think your Sox fans are wrong on that one.
2007-09-17 16:57:41
54.   fansince77
Nuke La Loosh!
2007-09-17 16:58:36
55.   Mattpat11
See, I told you. You have to ride this guy while he's hot. Its not going to last long.
2007-09-17 16:58:48
56.   randym77
Minky the stud.

But you're not fast, Scrabble.

2007-09-17 16:58:54
57.   BklynBmr
Well, with Minky and Jason on the basepaths at the same time, something had to give...
2007-09-17 16:59:00
58.   seamus
Mink-God!

HA!

crap...

2007-09-17 16:59:24
59.   Mattpat11
50 Matsuzaka should have been tossed as well.

They're not Yankees though.

2007-09-17 17:00:10
60.   randym77
57 ROFL.
2007-09-17 17:00:18
61.   fansince77
Why run into outs in an inning we've got them on ropes. Cabrera can't buy an out...not smart baserunning with the top of the order coming up.
2007-09-17 17:00:47
62.   OldYanksFan
That was a GREAT throw after a barehand pickup. Wow, that throw saved serious damage.
2007-09-17 17:00:50
63.   yankz
How the hell do you strike out looking vs this dude?
2007-09-17 17:00:59
64.   seamus
mlb.tv is crapping out... :(

ok. it is back!

2007-09-17 17:01:44
65.   JeremyM
Yanks have had a knack for blowing shots at big innings with stupid mistakes this year.
2007-09-17 17:01:57
66.   fansince77
Wow- Damon's doing a great job of getting that runner in from third.
2007-09-17 17:01:57
67.   Mattpat11
Bullshit call.
2007-09-17 17:04:00
68.   Bob B
67 Absolutely
2007-09-17 17:05:21
69.   OldYanksFan
I know he's borderline, but we have to address the Stinky for HOF issue.
2007-09-17 17:05:28
70.   fansince77
Thanks Damon...that inning changed on a dime when Manizcesdfggwwz got thrown out- but still JD has to get his head out of his ass and put that ball in play.
2007-09-17 17:06:44
71.   yankz
A K!!!!!!!!! YES!
2007-09-17 17:07:13
72.   yankz
Damn those fastballs are slow.
2007-09-17 17:07:49
73.   seamus
nice pitch count assistance there...
2007-09-17 17:08:47
74.   Yankees Brasil
Hughes still missing his spots
2007-09-17 17:08:51
75.   rbj
Nice quick inning for Phil
2007-09-17 17:09:04
76.   yankz
Hughes cruises, only throws 80 pitches- yet barely hits 90 on the gun. Hmm...
2007-09-17 17:09:45
77.   rbj
69 House Of Furniture?
2007-09-17 17:10:44
78.   Jersey
Gameday is showing a couple ticks faster than the MASN gun (which I assume is the same gun YES is using).
2007-09-17 17:10:46
79.   yankz
Horribly Overrated Fielders?
2007-09-17 17:11:12
80.   yankz
78 Still much slower than the last game.
2007-09-17 17:13:21
81.   BklynBmr
75 How about a set of 'Franchise Rules'. Hughes starts in the second inning. I dunno who we burn for the first in each of his starts, though...
2007-09-17 17:14:03
82.   yankz
81 Igawa.

Hey Yankees, the bottom of the order was drawing walks against this chump, remember?

2007-09-17 17:15:10
83.   randym77
Hah!
2007-09-17 17:15:15
84.   yankz
GODZILLA!
2007-09-17 17:15:35
85.   BklynBmr
'ZILLA!!!

122 ABs since! Perfect time to start heatin' up...

2007-09-17 17:16:21
86.   seamus
GODZILL-HA!
2007-09-17 17:16:24
87.   BklynBmr
82 Perfect.
2007-09-17 17:17:06
88.   Sliced Bread
Sweet swing by Matsui.

How much longer will the O's stick with 10 Cent? Guy's a fuggin mess up there.

2007-09-17 17:17:31
89.   Jersey
Gojira Destroys Mecha Cabrera
2007-09-17 17:21:23
90.   yankz
K2!!!

6 fastballs, all 88-89.

2007-09-17 17:24:10
91.   yankz
Pitch 1 had a 16" break.
2007-09-17 17:26:38
92.   yankz
What is that pitch? It has a 17" break and gets GB like it came from Wang. Slider?

6 GB-4 FB now for Phil. Only 2 K, but improving.

2007-09-17 17:28:23
93.   Yankees Brasil
That was good Phil. Got a GB on a fastball moving away from the batter and another one on a sharp curveball. Nice!
2007-09-17 17:31:22
94.   pistolpete
The folks at YES are sure still holding out hope for the division, aren't they?
2007-09-17 17:32:52
95.   pistolpete
OMFG Giambi is the luckiest SOB alive tonight.
2007-09-17 17:34:58
96.   OldYanksFan
Maybe his foot still hurts, but Giambi runs like he has a load in his pants. Ewwwwwwwww.
2007-09-17 17:36:05
97.   pistolpete
Damon, finally!
2007-09-17 17:38:49
98.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
The Big Hurt with two taters, ahead of Boston 4-1...
2007-09-17 17:38:50
99.   Bob B
Giambi is no Bernie 1st to home. I think Tejada double clutched in disbelief.
2007-09-17 17:39:41
100.   Bob B
How about a Blue Jay sweep of the Sawks?
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2007-09-17 17:43:21
101.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Wow..hard to believe that when I was a kid, Baltimore was always in contention, the model franchise...Is it really all on Angelos?
2007-09-17 17:45:51
102.   OldYanksFan
101 That was before free-agency. And a Cincy team that traded Frank Robinson.
2007-09-17 17:47:09
103.   Yankees Brasil
87 MPH right by him..
2007-09-17 17:48:27
104.   fansince77
I got an idea. On Phil Hughes start day we can have Joba start and finish the first inning and then have Hughes come in the second inning and finish off the game.
2007-09-17 17:50:35
105.   fansince77
AROD's been swinging at alot of low pitches. If he lays off of those he's good to go back into a groove.
2007-09-17 17:51:00
106.   williamnyy23
Not a good time for 2006 Arod to show up.
2007-09-17 17:51:19
107.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
102 was thinking more of the 80s..but in any case, kind of miss them as a legit rival. Bos-Ny is actully getting old...
2007-09-17 17:51:35
108.   Yankees Brasil
A-Rod looks likes he's guessing. Not good.
2007-09-17 17:53:30
109.   fansince77
Fuck Millar- he ALWAYS COMES Off that bag early. I would love to see an umpire JUST ONCE call a runner safe when he pulls that busch league crap! To me that asswhole is always a REDSOX.
2007-09-17 17:54:11
110.   SF Yanks
I just realized that Hughes hasn't issued a walk. That' something to take away. He hasn't done that yet right? Take away his first 2 innings in every start and Hughes has been pretty darn good. Results wise.
2007-09-17 17:54:17
111.   pistolpete
108 And just in time for the playoffs - super.
2007-09-17 17:58:31
112.   pistolpete
Is it me or is Kay pretty funny tonight?
2007-09-17 17:59:09
113.   mehmattski
Hey, has anyone tried out the Chat feature at mlb.com? It all seems so... mysterious. Anyway if you see "emjay713" over there, that's me.
2007-09-17 18:00:31
114.   fansince77
Why does Cano give himself up like that? Sometimes he just says I am going to swing no matter what...I know he's already very good...but greatness could be closer than he knows.
2007-09-17 18:03:33
115.   yankz
113 I went in there many, many years ago, before I discovered BB. Unless they've changed drastically, they're basically LoHudians on crack.
2007-09-17 18:04:44
116.   SF Yanks
113 I just checked it out. Extremely weird. You can pick a "section" to "sit" in and chat with those people in that section.
2007-09-17 18:06:21
117.   mehmattski
115 It's this interactive thing now, which is split up into "sections" of like 25 chatters per room, and seems kind of weird. I switched to using this nickname, if anyone cares. But yeah I have not seen one iota of actual baseball talk beyond Yankees/O's/Red Sox suck kind of things. Sad.
2007-09-17 18:06:29
118.   JeremyM
I'm being a jerk, but those were kind of 2 selfish at-bats from Matsui and A-Rod. If the guy is seemingly going to walk you, you have to at least take a pitch.
2007-09-17 18:06:52
119.   Jersey
The MASN guys are cracking up right now. They keep showing Regis Philbin in the front row talking on his cell phone, with a great big NO CELL PHONES ARE PERMITTED sign right in front of him. The one guy can hardly get a word out.
2007-09-17 18:07:18
120.   mehmattski
116 I'ma gonna sit in section 27 (for the number of championships the yankees will have after this season) if anyone would like to join me there.
2007-09-17 18:07:19
121.   mehmattski
116 I'ma gonna sit in section 27 (for the number of championships the yankees will have after this season) if anyone would like to join me there.
2007-09-17 18:07:22
122.   williamnyy23
Can't cave here!
2007-09-17 18:07:29
123.   fansince77
That's why I don't understand the strategy or non-strategy against Tejada- challenge him and if he hits one out - it's one run. Now the potential for tie game is ugly...and senseless.
2007-09-17 18:08:19
124.   williamnyy23
Damn it Hughes!@!@
2007-09-17 18:08:30
125.   fansince77
Oh Shit...can't start crapping on the mound now Hughes- for god sakes get your shit together!
2007-09-17 18:08:59
126.   BklynBmr
111 Don't worry. Boras will slap some sense into him... too much scratch at stake for this to continue...
2007-09-17 18:09:07
127.   yankz
Big K coming up.
2007-09-17 18:09:11
128.   fansince77
This game is about to become tied.
2007-09-17 18:09:15
129.   williamnyy23
Absolutely incredible...two 4 pitch walks...great.
2007-09-17 18:09:26
130.   yankz
And I seriously hope I don't mean Kyle.
2007-09-17 18:10:12
131.   williamnyy23
Torre is clueless! How do you make the change on 1-0?

This is a very dissapointing start for Hughes.

2007-09-17 18:10:42
132.   fansince77
This blows. You start Edwar with a ball already. FUCK!
2007-09-17 18:10:47
133.   mehmattski
Edwar's gameday photo is awesome.
2007-09-17 18:10:49
134.   pistolpete
128 Tied? If Edwar doesn't have it, we'll be one run down in about 3-4 minutes.
2007-09-17 18:11:22
135.   Jersey
Nothing like watching a pitcher who can't throw a strike. Ugh.
2007-09-17 18:11:45
136.   yankz
Kid did OK, but I don't mind the quick hook.

131 What? If Edwar gets an out here, I'd say it's a pretty good start considering the 1st inning. If not, then yeah.

2007-09-17 18:12:25
137.   Jersey
133 I know! I've been thinking that all year. I can't tell if he's dancing or swinging a machete or what the heck.
2007-09-17 18:13:50
138.   williamnyy23
136 The fact that an "if" is involved says it all. Baltimore has pretty much taken an early vacation. Hughes should have dominated in this game, but instead has left the team in a precarious position. To me, that's very dissapointing.
2007-09-17 18:14:40
139.   mehmattski
138 Plus the not making it past the 6th inning thing. That's pretty disappointing, no matter the result.
2007-09-17 18:14:42
140.   BklynBmr
Ed. War!
2007-09-17 18:14:44
141.   williamnyy23
Huge out for Edwar!
2007-09-17 18:14:45
142.   bartap74
The Winfield jersey comes through again!
2007-09-17 18:14:50
143.   pistolpete
EDWAR! Hunh, this is what he's go-od for!
2007-09-17 18:15:50
144.   yankz
138 I seriously don't get how you're always this demanding.

Hughes should have dominated? What? He's 21, he's been hurt, and he's sucked. But now all of a sudden he's supposed to dominated?

There. 5.2 IP, 2 ER is pretty good in my book, all things considered.

2007-09-17 18:16:11
145.   williamnyy23
Great...no help coming from Cleveland it seems. The Yankees better plan on sweeping the Orioles because McGowan, Burnett, Marcum and Halladay is going to be very, very tough.
2007-09-17 18:16:27
146.   yankz
139 That is true. But are people seriously expecting him to dominate?
2007-09-17 18:16:30
147.   BklynBmr
143 Say it a-ganne...
2007-09-17 18:16:57
148.   pistolpete
Big Hurt - WOWEE. 4 dingers!
2007-09-17 18:17:03
149.   JeremyM
138 He was going great, but man, you can't walk Tejada there. But he'll learn. Like others have said, he hasn't been in these scenarios before so this will help his overall development, eventually.
2007-09-17 18:17:50
150.   williamnyy23
Yankees need to be patient here and blow the game open.
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2007-09-17 18:18:01
151.   marc
Torre is making a lot of great decions but I'm sure people prefer to trash him
2007-09-17 18:18:11
152.   williamnyy23
148 Three.
2007-09-17 18:18:32
153.   Bob B
Like to see the Jays put a who lotta Big Hurt on the Red Sox.... 148 I think only three dingers tonight
2007-09-17 18:18:55
154.   mehmattski
145 You mean the Marcum that the Yankees tattooed for 8 runs a week ago? Who hasn't made it past the fifth inning in his last five starts?
2007-09-17 18:18:58
155.   Mattpat11
Singleton just flat called Mark McGwire illegitimate.
2007-09-17 18:19:09
156.   BklynBmr
149 Hughes needs to mob with Joba a little more. Let some of that mental toughness wear off on him...
2007-09-17 18:20:05
157.   pistolpete
152 Wow did I hear that wrong - my wife's on the phone talking loudly so I assumed when they broke in, he had hit his 4th. Why do they do that when Kay's already told us what happened?
2007-09-17 18:20:09
158.   yankz
155 Let's just hope Mrs. McGwire isn't juicing.
2007-09-17 18:21:07
159.   randym77
Hughes has been on a pitch count most of his pro career. You can't expect him to go deep now.

It kinda sucks that the first 30 pitches are so bad, but he's a rook, I'm sure he'll adjust.

The problem is depending on him this season.

2007-09-17 18:22:46
160.   Bob B
No Jojoba tonight. Two innings yesterday. See him on Wednesday for sure since Thursday is a day off and Friday my last ticket until the playoffs.
2007-09-17 18:23:42
161.   williamnyy23
144 I guess I have higher expectations for what even a less than 100% Hughes should do against Baltimore. As you mentioned, if Edwar gives up a single, then Hughes outing is 5 2/3/4 runs, so I can't simply dismiss that he completely fell apart at the end.
2007-09-17 18:24:00
162.   Mike T
Toronto 6-1 Boston Final
2007-09-17 18:25:08
163.   williamnyy23
154 That's only 1 of the 4 games. Also, Marcum has been solid, so when he's the weak link, that's tells you how tough the weekend could be.
2007-09-17 18:26:11
164.   fansince77
Derek should NOT BE BUNTING HERE!
2007-09-17 18:27:03
165.   williamnyy23
That bunt is a significant contributor the K...that's an absurd bunt attempt.
2007-09-17 18:27:29
166.   mehmattski
163 I'm not worried. If the Yankees can't take a four game series from the Blue Jays in late September, they don't deserve the shot at a five game playoff series in October. So, it would all even out in the end.
2007-09-17 18:27:46
167.   fansince77
Forgot to say IMHO. Agree with Kay there. Bunting the way Jeter is going WAS a waste.
2007-09-17 18:28:17
168.   yankz
161 There's a difference between "having high expectations" and "expecting him to dominate." I'd say a quality start could be reasonably expected. He missed that, yes, but not by much. Demanding that he go 8 IP, 1 ER or whatever you expected is absurd.
2007-09-17 18:28:36
169.   williamnyy23
166 Yes, but it wouldn't be a crime if they split it, which would be very damaging if the Tigers keep winning.
2007-09-17 18:29:40
170.   pistolpete
Oh please - Damon would have scored easily. Bad call there by the ump.
2007-09-17 18:30:14
171.   williamnyy23
168 I didn't say I expected 8 innings...but I did expect a clean 6 innings without put the game in jeopardy. He didn't do that, so it was a disappointing effort in my book.
2007-09-17 18:31:00
172.   pistolpete
Injuns have 2 men on, no out, for Hafner - bottom 8. 5-2 Tiggers.
2007-09-17 18:32:17
173.   pistolpete
172 One out, 2nd and 3rd.
2007-09-17 18:32:46
174.   williamnyy23
172 Tied game!
2007-09-17 18:33:15
175.   rsmith51
170 Is that a possibility? If it bounces over the wall they always stop the runner at 3rd.
2007-09-17 18:34:00
176.   williamnyy23
174 Peralta 2-run HR after Hafner and Vmart grounded out.
2007-09-17 18:34:01
177.   rsmith51
174 About time...
2007-09-17 18:36:23
178.   williamnyy23
I am not sure why everyone is clamoring to play Cleveland...they have the most dangerous lineup of all the other contenders.
2007-09-17 18:36:25
179.   pistolpete
175 I always thought it was a judgment call determined by how far along the runner was. If the runner was more than halfway between 2nd & 3rd when the ball went over, I assumed they would be allowed to score...

Guess not! Either that, or the umps tonight exercised bad judgment.

2007-09-17 18:39:03
180.   mehmattski
178 Yeah, and Sabbathia and Carmona would be tough in a short series. Other than playing Boston (unpossible), my vote is for the Tigers to actually overtake the Injuns, because the lineup (past Magglio) and rotation (past Verlander) don't scare me.

Given the choice between the Indians and Angels in a short series, I take the Angels.

2007-09-17 18:39:32
181.   williamnyy23
Michael Kay plugs ESPN the Magazine alot...hmmm?
2007-09-17 18:40:07
182.   williamnyy23
Why can't they make this easy?
2007-09-17 18:40:09
183.   pistolpete
181 He works for ESPN radio.
2007-09-17 18:40:45
184.   williamnyy23
183 Yep...that was my point.
2007-09-17 18:40:49
185.   yankz
Phew. Good thing Edwar didn't suck last inning.
2007-09-17 18:41:22
186.   fansince77
Alright - enough is enough - let's go Edwar.
2007-09-17 18:41:55
187.   SF Yanks
180 I just can't pick the Angels. I don't envision good things regardless of how good/poor their team is.
2007-09-17 18:44:28
188.   pistolpete
184 He talk about YES on his radio show - what IS the point?
2007-09-17 18:44:35
189.   Mattpat11
Poor Miggy. I'm sure he needs some steroids to heal that injury
2007-09-17 18:44:45
190.   williamnyy23
Incredible...here comes the tying run again!
2007-09-17 18:44:51
191.   RIYank
Well, we owned the Tribe in the regular season. But I agree that's not a very good reason to prefer them in the play-offs (small sample).
2007-09-17 18:45:03
192.   SF Yanks
Ahhh! This was supposed to be easy.
2007-09-17 18:45:40
193.   mehmattski
189 Nah, not steroids. B12 vitamins. Injected. Obviously.
2007-09-17 18:45:45
194.   JeremyM
Ramirez is a strange, maddening pitcher.
2007-09-17 18:46:16
195.   fansince77
Relief is very suspect tonight. Edwar needs to be used as a match-up guy for awhile. That's was a huge spot when he came in for Hughes...he's not an innings eater though. This could get ugly in a hurry. We are not going to dodge every bullet every time.
2007-09-17 18:46:17
196.   randym77
It's never easy.
2007-09-17 18:46:22
197.   williamnyy23
188 But YES is relevant because his doing games on the network is the reason he has a radio show. I just find it funny that he always plugs ESPN the Mag, but never mentioned reading things in SI, TSN, etc.
2007-09-17 18:47:21
198.   Mattpat11
193 I was mistaken.
2007-09-17 18:47:38
199.   mehmattski
191 The Yankees also managed to miss Sabathia in both series. They did clobber Carmona though.
2007-09-17 18:48:21
200.   SF Yanks
Where were those last two pitches?
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2007-09-17 18:48:24
201.   yankz
193 It's not his fault. Palmeiro injected him while he slept.
2007-09-17 18:49:07
202.   pistolpete
197 Who knows, maybe they have a big stack of them sitting in the studio's bathroom...
2007-09-17 18:49:08
203.   RIYank
Millar is kind of nightmarish.
2007-09-17 18:49:10
204.   williamnyy23
If Mo is available, I'd bring him in here.
2007-09-17 18:49:28
205.   Mattpat11
Oh crap. Don't walk him.
2007-09-17 18:49:28
206.   yankz
They left their strikes in Boston.
2007-09-17 18:49:47
207.   fansince77
Viz doesn't look like he's got much on his ball right now.
2007-09-17 18:49:57
208.   Mattpat11
204 Kim said he isn't available beyond one inning
2007-09-17 18:49:58
209.   RIYank
200 Wide. Though I thought the second pitch was a strike.
2007-09-17 18:50:18
210.   Yankees Brasil
Those first 2 pitches looked like strikes.
2007-09-17 18:50:47
211.   Mattpat11
He's certainly not giving in.
2007-09-17 18:50:59
212.   RIYank
Wow. Strike One and Strike Two were very good pitches.
2007-09-17 18:51:09
213.   fansince77
Some generous calls there.
2007-09-17 18:51:33
214.   Mattpat11
Oh fuck beans Borowski is in.
2007-09-17 18:52:50
215.   RIYank
The Vizcount comes through!
2007-09-17 18:52:51
216.   Mattpat11
213 They usually don't get called, but I think they're strikes.
2007-09-17 18:52:59
217.   williamnyy23
Huge K...but how about a clean inning?
2007-09-17 18:53:08
218.   pistolpete
VIZ!
2007-09-17 18:53:27
219.   yankz
Nobody- but nobody- beats the Viz. (Thanks Pete Abe)
2007-09-17 18:53:28
220.   RIYank
Hm, Millar bailed him out. That was ball four he swung at.
2007-09-17 18:53:38
221.   Mattpat11
Who's the announcer at the Stadium?
2007-09-17 18:53:43
222.   Jersey
YEAH VIZ

The Viscount
The Vizier
The Vysiwyg

2007-09-17 18:54:12
223.   williamnyy23
MLB Extra Innings has alot of interuptions today...I wonder if the penant races are leading to heavy demand?
2007-09-17 18:54:40
224.   williamnyy23
221 It's the guy who fills in for Sheppard and tries to imitate him. I find that kind of odd.
2007-09-17 18:54:47
225.   fansince77
huge.
2007-09-17 18:55:00
226.   marc
Cleveland up in bottom of 9th tied with Detrot
2007-09-17 18:55:45
227.   fansince77
Howzitgoing in Detroit?
2007-09-17 18:56:08
228.   OldYanksFan
Cleveland up in the bottom of the 9th.
The White Sox score 11 in the top of the 5th.
The Mutts getting killed by the Capitols.
And Viz showing Mo how to really come close.
2007-09-17 18:57:30
229.   OldYanksFan
And MLB.TV craps out.
2007-09-17 18:58:01
230.   williamnyy23
Casey Blake: leadoff walk.
2007-09-17 18:58:36
231.   Mattpat11
224 I'll take that over a screamer or a kid anyday
2007-09-17 18:58:43
232.   williamnyy23
Come on Jorge.
2007-09-17 18:58:54
233.   Mattpat11
MEMO

Jorge, you're slow.

2007-09-17 18:59:14
234.   pistolpete
Ok, can we not run on Markakis anymore?
2007-09-17 18:59:22
235.   williamnyy23
231 I like the concept too...just think it's odd they'd do it.
2007-09-17 18:59:24
236.   Mattpat11
Wow. He was safe
2007-09-17 18:59:32
237.   randym77
Why, Jorgie? You're even slower than Minky.
2007-09-17 18:59:34
238.   RIYank
How many outs has Jorgie cost us like that this year? Amazing.
2007-09-17 19:00:05
239.   williamnyy23
Shoppach: sac bunt...Blake to 2B.
2007-09-17 19:01:21
240.   williamnyy23
238 Baserunning has never been his best skill. It's maddening, but the whole package is pretty nice.
2007-09-17 19:01:51
241.   RIYank
Hey, he was safe. That's why he was arguing. Tejada didn't actually tag him.
2007-09-17 19:01:57
242.   rsmith51
2 outs, man on second. Cabrera up.
2007-09-17 19:02:14
243.   williamnyy23
Sizemore: fly out to medium left (damn it).
2007-09-17 19:02:28
244.   SF Yanks
I think Jorgie knows how many doubles he has and he's trying to increase his total. He realizes that he gets the hit either way even if he gets thrown out and with the game pretty much in the W column I can see him going for it.

Of course, I could just be delusional.

2007-09-17 19:02:32
245.   RIYank
Grady flies out to left, two down with an Indian on second...
2007-09-17 19:02:58
246.   yankz
244 6 more outs vs. BAL? Far from over, dude.
2007-09-17 19:03:23
247.   cult of basebaal
241 what is that? 3 blown calls against us on the bases in 4 games?
2007-09-17 19:03:38
248.   rsmith51
244 He got thrown out twice one game. Maybe you are right.
2007-09-17 19:03:58
249.   RIYank
They're pitching around Cabrera.
2007-09-17 19:04:20
250.   williamnyy23
Cabrera: walk...here comes Pronk.
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2007-09-17 19:04:26
251.   rsmith51
Hafner up with man at 1st and second. I predict the game ends here.
2007-09-17 19:04:48
252.   Mattpat11
1st and 2nd 2 out for pronk
2007-09-17 19:04:58
253.   williamnyy23
They are leaving in a RHP to face Pronk.
2007-09-17 19:04:59
254.   williamnyy23
They are leaving in a RHP to face Pronk.
2007-09-17 19:05:24
255.   RIYank
247 It's been awful this whole year, I feel like. Anyway it sure seems like it's been very one-sided against us.
2007-09-17 19:05:50
256.   rsmith51
I guess my predictive skills are flawed.
2007-09-17 19:06:00
257.   williamnyy23
Hafner: ground out (crap!)
2007-09-17 19:06:02
258.   marc
shit, Cleveland doesn't score bottom of the 9th, extra innings for Detroit.
2007-09-17 19:06:13
259.   marc
shit, Cleveland doesn't score bottom of the 9th, extra innings for Detroit.
2007-09-17 19:06:13
260.   Mattpat11
Hafner ground out
2007-09-17 19:06:17
261.   marc
shit, Cleveland doesn't score bottom of the 9th, extra innings for Detroit.
2007-09-17 19:06:18
262.   RIYank
They deliberately walked Cabrera to face Hafner. Not an IBB but a clear pitch-around.
2007-09-17 19:06:19
263.   OldYanksFan
Man... Nick the Stick out all year. He had a .950 OPS last year. The guy has hard luck.
2007-09-17 19:06:31
264.   yankz
Robbie's had himself a fine season counting stats-wise. If he can ever hover around a .360 OBP, and figure out how to play in April/May, he'll be great.
2007-09-17 19:07:00
265.   Mattpat11
The good news is Borowski's probably out of the game and Todd Jones isn't in yet
2007-09-17 19:07:26
266.   rsmith51
247 Too be fair, the throw was there. It was like Ichiro getting called out when Jeter never tagged him.
2007-09-17 19:07:30
267.   RIYank
The Birds' bullpen sucks, huh? With more restraint by Jorgie and more patience by Giambi, we'd be rocking this inning.
2007-09-17 19:07:35
268.   randym77
The unstoppable Minky.
2007-09-17 19:07:53
269.   marc
sorry about the triplicate post. this browser acts differently
2007-09-17 19:08:12
270.   yankz
Wow- 3rd time I've ever seen Damon swing at the first pitch.
2007-09-17 19:08:30
271.   OldYanksFan
And Stink continues his HOF type play.
2007-09-17 19:08:33
272.   williamnyy23
The Indians are an odd team...their closer is one of their worst relief pitchers.
2007-09-17 19:09:12
273.   yankz
269 Are you the same marc that was terrorizing the RAB game thread?
2007-09-17 19:09:22
274.   Mattpat11
262 Cabrera's overall season is almost as good as Hafner's.
2007-09-17 19:10:25
275.   Mattpat11
266 Ichiro also never touched the bag. He missed it, got up, ranted and raved, and left the field.
2007-09-17 19:10:26
276.   williamnyy23
Without a lefty in the pen, Pronk would scare me in the post season.
2007-09-17 19:10:40
277.   williamnyy23
Granderson: K.
2007-09-17 19:10:52
278.   rsmith51
Mr. Boggs was the best at fouling off pitches.
2007-09-17 19:10:59
279.   Mattpat11
That's how Damon's moving these days?
2007-09-17 19:11:23
280.   RIYank
Hey, who's gonna close this game? Farns?
2007-09-17 19:13:35
281.   williamnyy23
Polanco: 2B...Sheff and Mags due (oh no!).
2007-09-17 19:13:47
282.   SF Yanks
280 Proctor.
2007-09-17 19:13:59
283.   RIYank
Sheff with a shot at the go-ahead rbi...
2007-09-17 19:14:35
284.   Mattpat11
281 Just remember, Todd Jones
2007-09-17 19:14:36
285.   williamnyy23
Please no walks Viz.
2007-09-17 19:14:41
286.   RIYank
282 Hm. How am I gonna break this to you.
Sit down, SF, I have some news.
2007-09-17 19:15:13
287.   rsmith51
Sheff K'd, Maggs up
2007-09-17 19:15:14
288.   marc
273 No
2007-09-17 19:15:18
289.   RIYank
Nice! I was expecting a walk.
2007-09-17 19:15:33
290.   williamnyy23
Sheff: blown away for a K.
2007-09-17 19:15:45
291.   Mattpat11
sheff ks
2007-09-17 19:15:52
292.   williamnyy23
Memo to Cleveland....WALK MAGS!!
2007-09-17 19:16:12
293.   pistolpete
Nice, Viz got a gift there.

Someone who feels like looking this up - who exactly beats up on the Orioles this year? Anyone? I feel like they only seem to gut it out against us...

2007-09-17 19:16:13
294.   fansince77
AROD sure is good on those pop-ups.
2007-09-17 19:16:13
295.   Mattpat11
Here comes Mags
2007-09-17 19:17:18
296.   williamnyy23
292 They are pitching to him.
2007-09-17 19:17:34
297.   rsmith51
Bottom of 10th. Magglio popped out.
2007-09-17 19:17:46
298.   Mattpat11
Mags flies out
2007-09-17 19:17:49
299.   williamnyy23
Mags: Pop out!
2007-09-17 19:18:29
300.   pistolpete
Why the hell isn't Betancourt the closer?
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2007-09-17 19:18:52
301.   RIYank
Nobody wants it in Cleveland!
2007-09-17 19:18:58
302.   mehmattski
286 Quantrill?
2007-09-17 19:19:19
303.   williamnyy23
Viz has missed on so many close pitches.
2007-09-17 19:20:37
304.   williamnyy23
300 In many ways, that works to Cleveland's advantage. This way, they can use guys like Betancourt, Fultz and Perez (who is very good) in high leverage situations, and save Borrowski for 3-run leads in the 9th.
2007-09-17 19:21:11
305.   williamnyy23
Vmart: flies out to the warning track.
2007-09-17 19:21:27
306.   SF Yanks
I don't understand how some players can't bend the bill of their cap right. Abreu's was a friggin arrow. How hard is it? It's not hard at all. I don't know why but that bothers me.
2007-09-17 19:21:27
307.   marc
Cleveland win this thing already so I can concentrate on the Yankees
2007-09-17 19:21:41
308.   williamnyy23
You had two their Alex.
2007-09-17 19:23:58
309.   williamnyy23
Peralta: BB.
2007-09-17 19:25:21
310.   pistolpete
304 Which makes no sense - is he only the closer because of what he did for the Cubs?

Look what Sciosia did with Percival - if you're not getting the job done in close games, it's time to take a back seat to someone who will.

2007-09-17 19:25:26
311.   yankz
NOBODY
2007-09-17 19:26:22
312.   rconn23
Nobody beats the Viz.
2007-09-17 19:26:23
313.   RIYank
Uh.
Payton is like a three-year-old.
2007-09-17 19:27:14
314.   yankz
What happened? Why was Payton ejected/What did Jeter do?
2007-09-17 19:27:20
315.   rsmith51
Farns for the ninth?
2007-09-17 19:28:39
316.   rsmith51
Cleveland runs out of the inning.
2007-09-17 19:28:54
317.   williamnyy23
Gutierriz: K (Barfield CS).
2007-09-17 19:29:11
318.   Mattpat11
Peralta CS
2007-09-17 19:29:21
319.   yankz
What's the ovation like for Jeter?
2007-09-17 19:29:23
320.   pistolpete
Ha, was waiting for Markakis to throw out Jeter too.
2007-09-17 19:29:31
321.   Jersey
Markaca ain't throwin' that one out.
2007-09-17 19:29:45
322.   pistolpete
319 Passed Bernie for all-time hits with the Yankees.
2007-09-17 19:29:57
323.   williamnyy23
310 He leads the league in saves, so I am sure Wedge thinks he has been very effective.
2007-09-17 19:30:46
324.   pistolpete
If he's available, I say Farnsworth for the 9th!
2007-09-17 19:30:59
325.   RIYank
Jeter is now in fourth place for all-time Yankee doubles. (Easy to guess who the first three are.)

Vizcaino knocked down Payton with a brush-back, and Payton was apparently pissed. He threw his equipment (bat, gloves, helmet) toward Viz.

2007-09-17 19:31:38
326.   RIYank
322 Oh! How did I mis-hear that as doubles??
2007-09-17 19:31:45
327.   williamnyy23
Guillen: fly out to center.
2007-09-17 19:31:51
328.   yankz
322 I know why he deserves one, just wondering if they acknowledged the great feat. (I'm Gamedaying.)
2007-09-17 19:31:53
329.   pistolpete
323 Meh, seems like a Hoffman type to me. Coughs it up when there's any real heat on...
2007-09-17 19:32:00
330.   SF Yanks
Just think if Tampa Bay held on to both of their 57 run lead games not too long ago. Things would be a lot different right now. Stupid good for nothin Rays.
2007-09-17 19:32:15
331.   RIYank
Mo is up.

(That's my favorite all-two-word sentence in the English language.)

2007-09-17 19:32:45
332.   pistolpete
328 Ah, missed the word 'like' in your previous post. I'm doing some work at the same time and reading really quickly. :)
2007-09-17 19:34:04
333.   williamnyy23
Pudge: K.
2007-09-17 19:34:05
334.   Mattpat11
Derek Jeter will pass Mantle and Ruth for all time Yankee hits next year, and probabky Gehrig the year afterwards

Think about that.

2007-09-17 19:34:41
335.   williamnyy23
It seems like the Phillies have such an aversion to success.
2007-09-17 19:35:12
336.   RIYank
328 I mis-read that too.
So I mis-read and mis-heard on the same incident. I'd better stick to watching.
2007-09-17 19:35:41
337.   pistolpete
TB up 1-0 over LAA in the 1st.
2007-09-17 19:35:51
338.   williamnyy23
331 Just not in a 5 run game.
2007-09-17 19:37:03
339.   williamnyy23
Infante: K.
2007-09-17 19:37:35
340.   williamnyy23
337 As good as Cleveland looks, I don't think that's good news.
2007-09-17 19:37:36
341.   Mattpat11
Come on Kenny Lofton!
2007-09-17 19:38:04
342.   Mattpat11
340 We can beat them.
2007-09-17 19:38:22
343.   pistolpete
340 Did you watch the games when we swept them? :)
2007-09-17 19:38:47
344.   bartap74
How slow do you have to be to have Shelley Duncan run for you?
2007-09-17 19:38:51
345.   SF Yanks
I know I bring this up all the time, but I can't seem to get an answer. (Probably because its next to impossible to answer.) But if Joba, Kennedy, and Hughes are all extremely effective next Spring Training, who sits? Or do they all start? With Pettitte, Wang, and maybe Moose, and maybe another pick up someone's going to have to sit. So who do you sit? (And by sit I mean the minors.)
2007-09-17 19:38:56
346.   RIYank
Oh, goodie. A new Oriole pitcher.
2007-09-17 19:39:24
347.   mehmattski
343 If Sabathia pitches in two of those six games, do the Yankeees sweep?
2007-09-17 19:40:04
348.   Mattpat11
343 Twice.
2007-09-17 19:40:45
349.   Mattpat11
Radhames?
2007-09-17 19:41:01
350.   RIYank
345 Probably they give them all a good shot in March. Moose can't go to the minors, but I guess he could go to the pen. We know Joba is incredible out of the bullpen, so maybe he hangs out there for a while? Nah. He has the curve now, he'll start.

So, I dunno.

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2007-09-17 19:41:04
351.   mehmattski
345 Kennedy. In your scenario, gotta leave out the guy with the lowest ceiling. But even if all three are effective but don't make the starting roster, inevitable injuries will create plenty of opportunities for the odd man out.
2007-09-17 19:41:44
352.   williamnyy23
342 Of course, but they can beat anybody. The question is, who has the best chance to beat the Yankees.

343 I've watched every game! Seriously though, it seemed like the Yankees caught the Indians at the right time in both series.

2007-09-17 19:42:01
353.   williamnyy23
Lofton: ground out, 4-3.
2007-09-17 19:43:23
354.   Mattpat11
352 Maybe we're just better than them?
2007-09-17 19:44:20
355.   williamnyy23
345 My plan would be Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Wang, Pettite with Mussina as a wing man who gets 15-20 starts in a modified 6-man rotation. I am sure the Yankees wouldn't want the kids going well past 200 IP (if that high at all), so they could have Moose spot each one on a rotating basis. Not only would it rest the young arms, but Moose might be more fresh if he can adapt to pitching on long rest (as he did last time in Toronto).
2007-09-17 19:44:26
356.   RIYank
YAY TRIBE!!!
2007-09-17 19:44:30
357.   Mattpat11
DETROIT LOSES!
2007-09-17 19:44:31
358.   SF Yanks
350 Well thanks for trying. ;)

351 Yeah I suppose. I would really like to see them all start, but I doubt that will happen, but like you said, I guess its inevitable.

2007-09-17 19:44:35
359.   rconn23
Playoffs are a crapshoot. Anyonbe can beat anybody. Just look at the Cards and Tigers last year. Just get in.
2007-09-17 19:44:38
360.   williamnyy23
Blake: Walk off HR!
2007-09-17 19:44:58
361.   marc
Yes! Casey Blake Walk Off. This will be a huge night for the yanks
2007-09-17 19:45:27
362.   pistolpete
352 Regardless of timing, I still think they obviously match up better than against LAA.

I want Cleveland - let Boston deal with Lackey, Garrett Anderson & Chone MF Figgins.

2007-09-17 19:45:28
363.   tommyl
Indians win. Sox lose. We're winning. Beautiful.
2007-09-17 19:45:48
364.   williamnyy23
359 Exactly...I am trying as hard as possible to not pay attention to whom the opponent would be.
2007-09-17 19:46:18
365.   Mattpat11
Four games in the loss column. That might be the end of the Tigers.
2007-09-17 19:46:29
366.   williamnyy23
The old Farns is back...hopefully that's just a little rust.
2007-09-17 19:46:48
367.   RIYank
Ugh.
Good ol' Kyle.
2007-09-17 19:46:54
368.   yankz
I'd start Phil in the pen, because he's going to have the lowest innings cap.
2007-09-17 19:47:10
369.   williamnyy23
362 Garret Anderson? Really?
2007-09-17 19:47:20
370.   SF Yanks
355 I like the sound of that! But can you see the organization starting the season with those three? I can't.
2007-09-17 19:47:47
371.   williamnyy23
Awesome Cano...incredible arm he has.
2007-09-17 19:48:07
372.   yankz
I think LAA is the weakest team in the playoff hunt (isn't Vlad hurt), but we cannot seem to beat them. So, I would expect Boston to get past them in the ALDS easily.
2007-09-17 19:48:17
373.   BklynBmr
330 Even if the Sawx do happen to have yet another historic tank over the remaining 12 or so games and we happen to overtake 'em, I don't think we're experiencing the mental drain to catch them ala '05 — and be exhausted for the ALDS. I'm almost (almost!) at the point of accepting the wild card (as long as we win one more game than the Tiggers from here to the finish line, of course.)

I'm feelin' a little something different about this club down the stretch. I don't sense a 'desperation' as in recent years. Sure, the youngbloods have a lot to do with it, but it's hard to explain...

362 Hear, hear!

Wow! Cano's arm needs to be tested. For robotics.

2007-09-17 19:48:41
374.   yankz
What kind of baseball name is Tike Redman? He should be a boxer.
2007-09-17 19:49:00
375.   williamnyy23
370 In March, I would have said I can't see them playing in September with all three either, so at this point, I don't really know.
2007-09-17 19:49:08
376.   RIYank
Goddam, Rob. What a gun.
2007-09-17 19:49:13
377.   DougP
325 I thought Payton tissed his equipment toward the first base ump because he was pissed that the ump rang him up on the checked swing.

345 If the other five starters were all effective, I'd keep Joba in the pen to set up Mo. He can then move into the rotation if there's an injury or if one of the other 5 is ineffective.

2007-09-17 19:49:19
378.   Mattpat11
362 Second half numbers for Anderson

.307 .364 .554 13 HR

2007-09-17 19:49:20
379.   SF Yanks
368 I wouldn't. He seems like the type that wouldn't adjust going back and forth like that.
2007-09-17 19:49:49
380.   mehmattski
354 Seriously, the lack of C.C. Sabathia really invalidates the regular season series as a comparison for the post-season. The Indians starters were:

Series 1
Fausto Carmona
Jeremy Sowers
Jake Westbrook

Series 2
Fausto Carmona
Paul Byrd
Jake Westbrook

The Yankees handled Carmona both times, and if you replace Sowers/Byrd with Sabbathia, you have a totally different look to a short series.

Also, it should be noted that the Yankees starters in series 1 were: Chase Wright, Kei Igawa, and Sean Henn. (shudders)

2007-09-17 19:50:12
381.   Mattpat11
374 I was stunned that Tike Redman was black.
2007-09-17 19:50:32
382.   rsmith51
Is it just me or couldn't he have just flipped it to Jeter? Nice play, though.
2007-09-17 19:51:40
383.   Mattpat11
380 Sabathia pitches poorly against the Yankees and at yankee Stadium
2007-09-17 19:52:14
384.   williamnyy23
379 I agree...if Joba is going to start, I don't want him developing any bad habits or having to re-learn the mentality of starting. Joba has the potential to be an all-time starter. I think you have to out him the rotation, especially if you believe Whelan, Horne, Marquez and Sanchez will yield a good bullpen arm or two.
2007-09-17 19:52:21
385.   Mattpat11
Regular Kyle is back.
2007-09-17 19:52:37
386.   yankz
Sigh. Farns, oh Farns.
2007-09-17 19:52:41
387.   williamnyy23
maybe Farns is going hit, out, hit, out?
2007-09-17 19:52:45
388.   pistolpete
369 You said you watch the games, no?

vs. NY this year:

.500 AVG, 13 hits out of 26 ABs
2 HR, 10 RBI, .519 OBP

The only teams he does better against are Seattle and Oakland - although not by much, and those teams play each other 19 times!

Yes, Garrett Anderson

2007-09-17 19:52:59
389.   RIYank
Huh?
Why is this rook hitting for Tejada? Did I miss something?
2007-09-17 19:53:14
390.   yankz
384 Horne is our 4th best starting prospect.
2007-09-17 19:54:12
391.   pistolpete
No, no he doesn't have to get up Mo with a 4-run lead. Joe is just being silly.
2007-09-17 19:54:29
392.   williamnyy23
388 But, you said Boston had to deal with him. How does he do against them?
2007-09-17 19:54:49
393.   Alex Belth
I am very happy that the Tigers and Red Sox lost and I am happy that the Yankees are winning but this has to be one of the single most boring games of the season. Farnsworth is such a clown...
2007-09-17 19:55:07
394.   SF Yanks
Thanks to those who answered my question and I know it's a doozie, but for some reason my mind wouldn't come up with any sort of answer. Now I have some scenarios to think about. ;)
2007-09-17 19:55:09
395.   mehmattski
383 As do John Lackey (although he's worse at home than in YS) and Kelvim Escobar.
2007-09-17 19:55:16
396.   williamnyy23
Farnsworth is a joke.
2007-09-17 19:55:18
397.   rsmith51
Throw strikes, please!
2007-09-17 19:55:34
398.   RIYank
Alex, it's an Orioles game. What did you expect?
2007-09-17 19:55:41
399.   pistolpete
380 Wang almost always pitches well against the Indians - IMO he offsets Sabathia's games.
2007-09-17 19:55:42
400.   rsmith51
Thank you!
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2007-09-17 19:55:53
401.   Alex Belth
Hey, two outs, whatta ya say...
2007-09-17 19:56:06
402.   williamnyy23
393 I wasn't bored when the bases were loaded in the 6th and 7th!
2007-09-17 19:56:26
403.   Alex Belth
RIYank, true, true, true...
2007-09-17 19:56:28
404.   williamnyy23
The Phillies have to lead the league in devestating losses.
2007-09-17 19:56:55
405.   Alex Belth
Right, boring is the wrong word. Excruciating? That's better.
2007-09-17 19:57:13
406.   williamnyy23
hit, out, hit, out, hit...

Is this an SAT question?

2007-09-17 19:57:27
407.   BklynBmr
391 That 4 run lead could a distant memory pretty quick. Don't blame Joe for this...
2007-09-17 19:57:33
408.   RIYank
Good work, Farns.

Wait, so, does anyone know why Tejada didn't bat??

2007-09-17 19:57:37
409.   pistolpete
Are you shitting me, Torre?
2007-09-17 19:57:44
410.   williamnyy23
Come on Joe! Torre wins battles to lose the war.
2007-09-17 19:58:04
411.   yankz
Wow.
2007-09-17 19:58:09
412.   pistolpete
There goes any shred of Farnsworth's confidence. That should help for the postseason.

Thanks, Joe.

2007-09-17 19:58:18
413.   tommyl
Kyle Farnsworth showing you why 100mph fastball is not enough to pitch in the majors if you are a moron. Hey Kyle, try throwing 95 and hitting locations.
2007-09-17 19:58:35
414.   Alex Belth
Good job, Farns.
2007-09-17 19:58:47
415.   williamnyy23
This is why Torre shouldn't be back next season. Rivera worked very hard over the weekend.
2007-09-17 19:59:18
416.   RIYank
Screw Farnsworth's confidence. Mo can rest tomorrow. Anyway let's get this freaking game over with, I couldn't stand another walk.
2007-09-17 19:59:30
417.   Alex Belth
I'm not blaming Torre for spoiling Farnsworth's confidence there. The guy just has to be able to perform better than he did tonight.
2007-09-17 20:00:11
418.   nick
you can't the fucking save rule can't make the fucking decision for you every fucking time, Torre, you dumb....
2007-09-17 20:00:12
419.   rsmith51
Farns with a little rust.

How about the NL Central. The Reds are playing spoilers.

St. Louis was down 11-0 and it is now 12-10.

2007-09-17 20:00:21
420.   pistolpete
392 Does it matter? If we don't have to face him, he can't hit home runs against us that he doesn't normally hit all year long.
2007-09-17 20:00:26
421.   williamnyy23
I wonder what Farnsworth thinks about himself?
2007-09-17 20:01:04
422.   nick
418 ok, a couple of f-bombs got left on the cutting room floor, but y'all got the gist....
2007-09-17 20:01:13
423.   Alex Belth
He'll get Melvin...
2007-09-17 20:01:17
424.   williamnyy23
Not only do you have to worry about his health, but Mo's eggs have been in games following tough stretches.
2007-09-17 20:01:30
425.   marc
do these all have to be exciting at the end
2007-09-17 20:01:37
426.   rsmith51
Let's go Mo!
2007-09-17 20:01:45
427.   Mattpat11
I have no problem with Mo raising Worthless' ERA
2007-09-17 20:01:56
428.   OldYanksFan
Can I start to worry now?
2007-09-17 20:02:01
429.   Levy2020
Even ignoring the fact that Rivera has pitched much and that the rosters are expanded, there was that whole thing with Rivera's finger on his pitching hand being sore. They couldn't use a guy like Ohlendorf in this situation?
2007-09-17 20:02:04
430.   Alex Belth
Wow, got away with a mistake over the plate on the 0-2 pitch...
2007-09-17 20:02:06
431.   rconn23
Our bullpen is just excruciating. Watching the balls zip so far out of the strike zone on Game Day is infuriating.

Viz battles his ass off with a sore shoulder and average stuff. Farns is simply terrible. Just a terrible, terrible, terrible pitcher. Damn him.

2007-09-17 20:02:22
432.   williamnyy23
Yikes...Mo missed location bad there.
2007-09-17 20:02:26
433.   rsmith51
423 No longer boring eh, Alex?
2007-09-17 20:03:00
434.   pistolpete
417 All I'm saying is he was still 4 runs up with 2 outs. Let the guy at least try to get that last batter before using Mo AGAIN.
2007-09-17 20:03:04
435.   williamnyy23
Mo saves the day again...thanks to Farns.
2007-09-17 20:03:06
436.   Alex Belth
Sit down, Fivetuplettes...
2007-09-17 20:03:08
437.   BklynBmr
Mo for President!
2007-09-17 20:03:09
438.   Mattpat11
419 A little rust? That's how he usually pitches.
2007-09-17 20:03:10
439.   RIYank
See, aesthetically, that was the way to end it.
2007-09-17 20:03:10
440.   yankz
Oh thank god. I hate Baltimore.
2007-09-17 20:03:18
441.   rsmith51
Mo gets the day off tomorrow. Hopefully Cleveland helps us out again.
2007-09-17 20:03:32
442.   Mike T
Well at least Mo only had to throw six pitches.
2007-09-17 20:03:51
443.   Levy2020
But then I guess that's the 1100th reason or so that I'm wrong. . .

3.5 up and 3.5 down.

Go, Yankees.

2007-09-17 20:03:55
444.   Alex Belth
Eh, that kind of excitement I could do without. But...an important win.
2007-09-17 20:04:43
445.   rsmith51
12-11 in St. Louis in the 8th.
2007-09-17 20:04:43
446.   Mattpat11
Who gives a shit about Kyle Farnsworth's confidence? He sucks and should be made fully aware of it.
2007-09-17 20:04:44
447.   yankz
429 Torre knew the score, he went for the jugular.
2007-09-17 20:04:47
448.   BklynBmr
Farns is as streaky as the team itself, that's what maddening about him...
2007-09-17 20:04:55
449.   yankz
And by score I meant of the DET game.
2007-09-17 20:05:39
450.   SF Yanks
Wait... what exactly did Torre do wrong here? You guys wanted him to leave in Farns?!?! You mean to tell me that you trust Farns finishing the rest of the game after he nearly blew it?
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2007-09-17 20:06:26
451.   RIYank
Yeah, our bullpen will be pretty thin tomorrow. Hm. Ohlendorf. Henn? Britton? Bbbbbbbruney?
2007-09-17 20:06:30
452.   rsmith51
Cubs have men on 1st and 2nd, no one out. Down by 2. Bottom of the ninth.
2007-09-17 20:06:32
453.   Mattpat11
429 The Ross Ohlendorf that came into a game the other day and promptly walked in a run?
2007-09-17 20:06:42
454.   Alex Belth
Man, not to look forward too much but McGowan tossed a beaut tonight against the Sox tonight. Ortiz whiffed thrice. Yanks face Halladay, McGowan, Marcum and Burnett this weekend. That's not easy. And if those dudes stay healthy next year, the Jays could be tough.
2007-09-17 20:07:53
455.   BklynBmr
450 Torre made a decision, that's what he did wrong.
2007-09-17 20:08:06
456.   rsmith51
Cubs tied the game. Ramirez at 3rd. Bad play by the CF.
2007-09-17 20:09:14
457.   rsmith51
Aramis is proving to be Mr. Clutch.
2007-09-17 20:09:28
458.   Mattpat11
454 You need to mention Lyle Overbay. No comment on how the Blue Jays are finally going to be a threat in the East is complete without a mention of Lyle Overbay.

The Blue Jays next year will be exactly where they are every year. A non factor.

2007-09-17 20:09:39
459.   pistolpete
450 Just secretly hoping that we actually have someone in that pen capable of getting outs besides Mo, Joba & Vizcaino.

4 runs up, I still think Farns should have gotten one more batter. To me that move almost reeks of a lack of confidence in Mo to get the last out if the game's closer than 2-3 runs.

I know that sounds a little ludicrous, but Mo has more & more days where he gives up a run when trying to nail things down.

2007-09-17 20:09:49
460.   SF Yanks
453 He hadn't pitched in awhile and all things considered, he did pretty good.

What ever happened to White? I though he was having a great year down on the farm. Can't we replace Henn with White? White is a lefty correct?

2007-09-17 20:09:55
461.   OldYanksFan
445 Philly was up 11-0. Now Phillys up 12-11.
2007-09-17 20:10:24
462.   Mattpat11
455 What bad decision? He removed the worthless one and brought in the best closer of all time in a game the Yankees needed.
2007-09-17 20:11:31
463.   SF Yanks
455 Yup, I think you're right. Blows my mind sometimes.
2007-09-17 20:12:01
464.   rsmith51
Cubs win.
2007-09-17 20:12:07
465.   SF Yanks
462 That's not what he means.
2007-09-17 20:12:35
466.   OldYanksFan
Does anyone remember we were 1 game UNDER .500 at the ASB? The boys have been pretty good.
2007-09-17 20:13:26
467.   randym77
The much-maligned Minky, POTG.

He deserves it, though. He's been solid gold the past couple of games.

2007-09-17 20:13:37
468.   Alex Belth
Yay Cubbies!
2007-09-17 20:13:41
469.   monkeypants
462 Detroit lost. Arguably the game was really "needed.' I would like to think that someone beside Mo could get one out before giving up four runs, but with this pen maybe not.
2007-09-17 20:14:07
470.   Mattpat11
459 I have no confidence in Kyle Farnsworth to do anything right, ever. I've sat through two years of this.
2007-09-17 20:14:25
471.   BklynBmr
Great line from Kornheiser on MNF: "The Cowboys and 49ers are unbeaten, and OJ is in jail. It's the '90s all over again".
2007-09-17 20:14:33
472.   rsmith51
I'd like to see a Cubs/Yankees Series. Though I will take any NL team.
2007-09-17 20:14:41
473.   Schteeve
Anyone who thinks Farns shoulda got one more batter would have been screaming bloody murder if Joe had left him in "too long." Joe can't win. At least the Yankees can.
2007-09-17 20:14:47
474.   yankz
466 Not good enough, if you ask some around here.
2007-09-17 20:15:19
475.   Schteeve
472 Since I live in Chicago, that is what I dream about.
2007-09-17 20:15:25
476.   yankz
472 The Padres scare me. I would absolutely love to beat the Dbags or the Mets.
2007-09-17 20:15:38
477.   OldYanksFan
The bases were loaded. The TYING run was at the plate. That's really like a one run lead... you can't let the guy at the plate score.
2007-09-17 20:16:37
478.   Mattpat11
469 We need to stop lollygagging and finish this off. We're facing bad teams and the teams behind us are losing. We need to take put our feet on some necks here.
2007-09-17 20:16:38
479.   SF Yanks
471 LOL!
2007-09-17 20:20:08
480.   SF Yanks
473 1000% agreed.
2007-09-17 20:24:28
481.   BklynBmr
473 What SF 480 said!
2007-09-17 20:25:33
482.   rsmith51
471 Favre and the Packers are also 2-0. They were pretty good during the 90s as well.
2007-09-17 20:27:22
483.   pistolpete
473 The guy hadn't pitched in a week, and we had a 4 run lead. Only way I would have bitched is if he gave up a dinger.
2007-09-17 20:29:39
484.   Mattpat11
473 The guys has proven himself to be completely unreliable for two years and was doing everything he could to give that four run lead away.

Has the last month really swayed that many people?

2007-09-17 20:31:19
485.   pistolpete
483 FWIW, Aubrey Huff is 0-5 against Farnsy.
2007-09-17 20:34:42
486.   Mattpat11
485 And Roberts was 1-5 (HR)

Farnsworth's incompetence knows no "splits"

2007-09-17 20:35:17
487.   pistolpete
484 I don't perceive KK much differently than anyone else - I just didn't want to burn Mo again. I was pissed that Mo even warmed up tonight, let alone pitched.
2007-09-17 20:37:02
488.   Mattpat11
487

If you didn't want to burn Mo, blame Farnsworth for being useless. Its not Joe Torre's fault that Kyle Farnsworth is incompetent.

2007-09-17 20:40:55
489.   pistolpete
488 The guy did get two outs, and like I said he had held Huff hitless.

Mo gave up a double to a guy who hits .400 off of him. Mora, yes absolutely you should have Mo face him - Mora's hitting .118 off Rivera.

Just sayin'.

2007-09-17 20:44:41
490.   Mattpat11
489 The got two outs and allowed three baserunners! He's an awful pitcher. He was pitching awfully. The Yankees wanted to win this game. Kyle Farnsworth is not conducive to winning games.
2007-09-17 20:45:12
491.   Mattpat11
And a wild pitch. I forgot the wild pitch.
2007-09-17 20:45:33
492.   pistolpete
490 Fine. Use Mo every game. Burn him out before we even get to the postseason.

Glad you're not the manager.

2007-09-17 20:47:35
493.   Mattpat11
And you would have sat there and let Kyle Farnsworth lost the game so as not to hurt his feelings.

I'm damn glad you're not the manager.

2007-09-17 20:49:45
494.   pistolpete
493 Huff. 0-5. He wasn't losing the game.

It's not about hurt feelings, it's about having a guy who has a speck of confidence going into the playoffs. We DO need someone besides Mo, Joba and Viz to pitch, fyi.

2007-09-17 20:56:55
495.   Mattpat11
494 Kyle Farnsworth, who's been a total disaster for this team and was pitching an atrocious inning and only had two outs due to a nice play by Cano, wasn't going to lose the game because of five AB?

And Farnsworth might have confidence if he didn't pitch like shit. Its not Joe Torre's fault.

2007-09-18 04:14:58
496.   monkeypants
494 495 This argument is turning around a false dichotomy: Mo v. Farnsworth. There was nothing wrong with pulling Farnsworth. More questionable is that, with expanded rosters, there was no other pitcher available to get one out with a four run lead, excpet Mo who had thrown 29 pitches the night before.
2007-09-18 05:42:31
497.   Chyll Will
If anyone is interested in theatre, the review at Catfish Stew on the A's-Rangers game is very funny, and not because I left a comment >;)
2007-09-18 06:11:23
498.   seamus
496 What does expanded rosters have to do with it? If you need a definite out, the guys you bring on to expanded rosters aren't going to get it.

I can't argue with bringing in Mo there. Nor do I think Farnsworth with the 5 run lead should have been a difficult decision. The problem with Farnsworth is he always fails in those situations - or at least it seems that way.

2007-09-18 06:39:08
499.   pistolpete
494 You've made your feelings clear on Farnsworth - believe me, we've all taken notice. However, my original point was that Mo shouldn't have gotten up in the first place.

Back to Kyle - 'total disaster'? When was the last time he gave up 4 runs in an inning? April 11th, I looked it up. I think your opinion of his (lack of) worth is a little extreme, no?

Now if it was Sean Henn out there, I'd agree with you 1000%.

496 Right. We all know Mo's the 'man', but NO ONE else could have gotten us that last out? Ugh. That appearance was like 6 pitches too many, and now we may not have him in a close game tonight.

2007-09-18 06:54:13
500.   monkeypants
498 See 499 . They are carrying a million pitchers, and yet none could be trusted to trade three runs for one out? I am not saying that it was the wrong move per se to bring in Mo, but it is pretty bad if they feel pressure to get a "definite out" when holding a four run lead, when the tying run was still standing on deck.
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2007-09-18 07:00:04
501.   monkeypants
500 And to continue--for the sake of one out, with a four run lead and the tying run not even on base (in fact, not even yet up to bat), an out that apparently no one else could be trusted to get, Mo will likely not be available tonight (having now pitched two in a row, including a difficult outing on Sunday). And Joba is not available tonight.

The baseball season always poses a tension between strategic (long term) and tactical (short term) goals. I'm not convinced that the immediate situation last night warranted placing the tactical (get the 'sure out' now) over the strategic.

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