Proctor for Betemit would be a real nice trade, we have the makings of a sweet bench for a few years.

If Betemit replaces Cairo as utility I'm ok with, but if he doesn't and they don't find a replacement for Proctor I'm not.

Proctor may be inconsistant, but I've always believed that if he wasn't used so much he would have stayed fresh and preformed better.

I like the trade, although I thought he wore the uniform well. His 2006 season was very valuable and he certainly gave his best effort. Still, it was time for the Yankees to start tapping some of their organization strength.

Betemit is still a relatively young player who has upside. He is already at least a league average bat who can play just about every infield position. This move is a significant upgrade if it means Cairo's role will be further reduced (or eliminated altogether).

Betemit should provide more value to the Yankees, both this year and seasons to come. I wish Proctor well.

My first thought was why would the f$%^ing Cardinals deal a prospect for Pineiro. As it turns out, the prospect is so good he hasn't even been named yet.

ESPN also reporting the Red Sox sending Pinero to the Cards for PTBNL. Guess that whole Pinero as closer experiment didn't quite work out now did it.

They even said they should send someone over here to see what we think of EDSP. I guess that would be bigcpa. Pretty funny if you ask me.

7 you'll like EDSP. So long as he becomes Occasional Day Scott Proctor. Torre abused him with use.

I don't know. Are the things you mentioned re: Posada and the other pitchers any different than what happens on other ballclubs? Given what we saw in Chicago earlier this year, I think there is probably a history of catchers and pitchers having rocky relationships. Pitchers have strong personalities, and it's pretty clear that Jorge has a great deal of "red ass" in him, as Alex would say. Maybe the two aren't always a good mix. Pitchers probably don't like it when Jorge tells the reporters after the game what he thinks of the pitcher's performance.

Is there more to it than that? I dunno. I can't say if the Posada/Pitcher history is different from other high profile catchers. That would be interesting follow-up to the story, not just concentrating on Posada and the Yankees.

From the left side Betemit is a monster- power to all fields. Extremely patient. Led the Dodgers in p/pa and walk rate (17%). Jerked in and out of the Dodger lineup every time he had an 0-4. Since May 1 he's hit .278/.391/.611 but still paying for an April slump. You must bat .280 to play for the Dodgers- period.

It was so obvious that it had to be said ;)

"As much as I hate Farnsworth, and I really hate him, as monkeypants said, he is almost average. Proctor leaving creates a huge innings hole in the bullpen, one that, given the injury, I'm not sure Chris Britton could fill. I'd only trade more relievers if they got Gagne.

Also, what the hell is Torre going to do now, without Proctor's arm to destroy?! "

I'll miss Proctor too, but Betemit has really kicked it up a notch recently (.279/.410/.544/.954 since June 2). He's played 3rd, SS, and 2nd this year. I'm not sure how much playing time he'll get. Maybe, given Phillips's reverse split, they could platoon at 1B?

"It also sounds like Edwar Ramirez could be on the way back at the expense of Brian Bruney. If not today, then soon."

It seems as if fate has taken a hand. With Joba looming and Farns all but on the way out, this little bullpen remodel kind of reminds me of the final godfather scene. All unfinished business taking place before the clock strikes 4PM.

We can find any number of me to fill Worthless' below average innings. An added bonus is that these men might be able to a) pitch on back to back days if needed. b) Pitch more than one inning if needed c)come in in the middle of an inning if needed and d)not pitch the 8th fucking inning.

DUMP HIM.

What do we gain by keeping Worthless?

Where have you gone Everyday Proctor, a manager turns his lonley eyes to you...boo hoo hoo...what's that you say Robinson Cano, Everyday Proctor has left and gone away...

34 Is it true that the Dodgers are looking for another starter? Is it possible they are going to use Proctor in that role?

Let's say the Cubs get Gagne at 3:59 EDT. Might the Brewers (with a pitching coach who can supposedly "fix" anyone) suddenly become more interested in Farnsworth, especially if the Yanks pick up most of the cost? I bet they would.

I just keep flashing back to us holding out and holding out and holding out and holding out and holding out with Carl Pavano in hopes that he'd "raise his trade value" and then getting burned in the end.

I DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK WITH FARNSWORTH.

Please enlighten the illiterate amoungst us.

I am torn about EDSP and feel the way I did about the Sheff deal. It seems like a smart move, given our needs. But I worry how well we can fill the hole.

Reading about whether Joba is being primed for an immediate place in our BP... I have to think that's a no-brainer. I mean, what possible reason would we take a stud SP and move him to the BP if not because we need him there right now?

And then something occured to me. Something dangerous to think about. Joba looks to have the potential to be a great closer, in the vain of Papsmear. If it turns out he is lights out for an inning or so, could this possibly mean the Yanks are looking to fill Mo's shoes?

I think this is a valid topic to discuss. We all love Mo, the history, the legacy. But what will it take to re-sign him? $40/3yrs? More? And do we have faith he has 3 good years left? Like what might be the case with Posada, can we afford to pay FA-inflated prices for what might be a players worst years? Papsmear was a stop-gap measure, but he proved too valuable in that role to move back into the starting rotation.

Could Joba to the BP have any bearing on the 'Mo resigning' issue????

28 Right, we get the point--DUMP HIM. But I love how Farnsworth is considered the worthless by Yankees fans--a sign to some of Cashman's supposed incompettence and, worse, stubborness-- who then expect Cashman to turn around and trade him for something of value.

It's not an issue of what is 'gained' by not DUMPING HIM--the question is what can be gotten in return. It is quite possible that no one will take him, which makes DUMPING HIM rather difficult, no?

If he really is so bad that they should DUMP HIM, then he should simply be DFA'd, since anyone should be able to do a better job. But if that's the case, fault Cashman for not DUMPING HIM via DFA, rather than failing to trade him.

The only team rumored to have even a slight interest was the Tigers - and word is Jim Leyland said "No f'in way" after hearing about Sunday's game. The Yanks can't trade him to no one!

Though I suppose the Yanks could DFA Farnsworth, but that option is available at 4:01 too.