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Carry On Wayward Son
2007-07-24 05:50
by Emma Span

After their offensive outburst against the Devil Rays over the weekend, the Yankees suffered a disappointing letdown in Kansas City last night. Their bats went cold, and they plated just nine runs, on only 13 hits and four walks.

Then again, it’s possible that Sunday’s 21-4 score may have warped my perspective somewhat.

Monday's game was actually fairly close throughout the middle innings, but the Yankees won 9-2 behind a strong, no-nonsense performance from Roger Clemens, who went seven innings and allowed only four hits. He walked nobody and struck out three. The Royals scored in the 4th on a Mark Grudzielanek double, a groundout, and a wild pitch, and again in the 7th on a solo home run from the unfortunately named Ross Gload, but that was all. (And by the way, you don’t scare me, Grudzielanek -- I’ve been typing out Mientkiewicz for months now. Punk.)

The Yankees scored early and late, and once again every Yankee starter had at least one hit. In the first, Hideki Matsui singled home Melky Cabrera and Derek Jeter; in the second, it was Johnny Damon’s double that scored Robinson Cano and Shelley Duncan.

Those four runs turned out to be enough for Clemens, Luis Vizcaino – who is teaching me how to trust again – and Ron Villone. But the Yankees added five insurance runs in the ninth, anyway, off of Kansas City relievers, turning the game into a last-minute blowout and keeping Mariano Rivera in the bullpen. The first of those runs was Alex Rodriguez's 100th RBI of the season, which came on a sharp single up the middle.

Other highlights:

-Melky’s nifty catch on a foul ball in the first. It seemed so certain to drop in that the YES cameras didn’t even bother cutting away from the batter, and the play occurred offscreen.

Cabrera’s batting average and OBP have risen steadily every month this season , from .200/.238 in April to .368/415 in July. Given that he won’t be 23 until August 11, that strikes me as encouraging, as does the fact that he’s started following A-Rod’s workout program. Seriously, if they trade this kid – even if it’s a smart trade that I should logically approve of – I’m going to throw a fit.

-There were several sweet familial moments during the game: Chris and Dave Duncan were in the stands watching brother/son Shelley, thanks to a Cardinals off-day, while in the Yankee dugout Tony Pena tried his best not to look happy when Tony Jr., the Royals’ shortstop, went 2 for 4. I think Tony Junior looks a little like an elf.

-Johnny Damon is starting to look human again; maybe he really has gotten healthy. He was three-for-five last night, and several of those were hard-hit.

-The Yankees announced that Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy have been promoted to AAA. Just typing that, I started salivating a little bit.

Damn Kansas, that song’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now. Carry on my waaaayward soooon, there’ll be peace when yooou are dooone, lay your weary heeead to reeest, don’t you cry nooo mooooooore…

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2007-07-24 05:57:41
1.   Dimelo
Things got out of hand in the 9th, but it was an extremely entertaining game and the Yankees had some crisp pitching (Clemens, Viz, and Villone).

Good write up, Emma.

2007-07-24 06:08:13
2.   ChrisS
That the Yanks bumped Chase Wright and Clippard down to AA for Kennedy and Joba says something about the move.

It's hard to get too excited about these guys, after hearing non-stop about how the Mets' pitching staff was going to be great for a decade ... and then they kinda fizzled.

But damn, Wang, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy ...

2007-07-24 06:11:57
3.   vockins
Phil Ehert (drummer) looks like he's playing for Lawrence Welk in that Kansas video. Get with the program, dude, Karen Carpenter's kicking your ass. Weak.
2007-07-24 06:13:00
4.   Jim Dean
Am I the only one disappointed by the demotion of Clippard? He's 22 yo and had a huge second half last year. It's true that all his numbers including peripherals are way off (esp. K/BB) but I'm just surprised they didn't give him more of a chance to figure it out. Why so they can continue to give innings to Runelvys Hernandez (!), Ohlendorf , and White?
2007-07-24 06:16:42
5.   Sliced Bread
0 Better that than "Duusst in the wiiind, all we are is dust in the wind..."

re: learning to trust Vizcaino. I was learning to trust Lindsay Lohan, too, before she got busted again this morning.
Poor dopey kid.

In light of this development, Viz will be required to wear his anti-game-blowing ankle bracelet 12 more weeks.

Anybody catch Lupica sputtering and spewing today? Rambling through his anti-Yankee litany in shuffle mode? What a mess.

2007-07-24 06:30:46
6.   Sliced Bread
4 The timing of the minor league roster shuffle, one week before the trade deadline, makes me wonder if the Yanks are trying to protect Clip and Wright by demoting and devaluing them, making them less appealing to other teams.
2007-07-24 06:32:37
7.   Alex Belth
Dude, best thing is to simply ignore Lupica. He's nothing more than a dillitante with an enormous ego.

As far as Joba goes, this is from a Keith Law chat last week at ESPN:

"I was at Joba's start on Saturday night in Trenton. He was 94-98 in the 7th inning, with a plus-plus slider, average change, and an inconsistent but occasionally plus curve. Fastball command is OK, control is at least average. He's a potential #1 starter, and I can't imagine the Yanks trade him, not even for Teixeira.

...I'd trade Hughes before I'd trade Joba."

2007-07-24 06:32:50
8.   williamnyy23
6 On the other hands, one hopes they aren't showcasing Chamberlain or Kennedy for a trade.
2007-07-24 06:35:06
9.   williamnyy23
7 Klaw has been immensely high on Chamberlain in just about every forum over the past month.

As for Lupica, he is an irrelevant twerp. I wouldn't waste a second of my time reading his work.

2007-07-24 06:40:01
10.   Sliced Bread
7 You're exactly right about Lupe. I tend to ignore him but allowed myself to be sucked in this morning, 3 Card Monty style. My bad.

8 It's possible, but I think they've branded Joba and Kennedy "untouchable." But of course we know nobody is really "untouchable."
2007-07-24 06:40:09
11.   rbj
Lupica -- name rings a bell. Didn't he used to write for the Daily News in the '70s & '80s? His big schtick was bashing Steinbrenner (which a comatose frog could do).

I wonder whatever happened to him.

Man, only nine runs? I guess the bats were tired. Good stuff all around. And Wang tonight.

2007-07-24 06:53:31
12.   Jim Dean
6 That might be more the case with Clippard than Wright. Even still, I can understand it (given his peripherals this year) but it wasn't necessary - not with White, Ohlendorf or Hernandez ahead of him on the depth chart.

And no way 8 they trade Joba or Kennedy, especially since they have 10 other arms they could more first, as well as Gardner.

Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Garnder, Marquez, Ohlendorf, and Smith for Teixeira.

2007-07-24 06:55:58
13.   Cliff Corcoran
4 They released Runelvys a while ago.

As for that Kansas video, that's exhibit A as to why MTV killed prog rock. Helluva performance, though, and, actually, the keys/vox/bongos guy looks a little like Dave Grohl (though Grohl's '70s stash and mop are, I assume, supposed to be ironic).

2007-07-24 06:55:59
14.   Jim Dean
10 Yup - "untouchable" goes out the window with Johan. He'll be getting moved in the next year (by July 08) and the price will only start dropping from this point forward...unless he's willing to give them a big-time hometown discount.
2007-07-24 06:56:48
15.   Shaun P
4 I'd rather Clippard get back on his feet against somewhat easier competition than continue to struggle against AAA hitters. There's a point where it goes from getting time to work it out to needing a boost, and I think Clippard is at that point. He'll be back in AAA before long.
2007-07-24 06:57:57
16.   ChrisS
12 I think the Yankees are pushing those guys down to get them work anywhere, they know that Clippard and Wright can pitch, but they don't know for sure what another level change for Joba and Kennedy will do this year.

If they excel, then Cashman and the Tampa braintrust have a bevy of young arms that can be at least serviceable in a major league role and Joba or Ian could be up in September for cup of coffee.

2007-07-24 06:58:37
17.   Jim Dean
13 Thanks - they still have him in pinstripes on milb and I saw he had pitched recently - my bad.
2007-07-24 06:59:36
18.   Cliff Corcoran
12 Looking it up, Runelvys only made six starts with SWB before getting cut. He's with the Indians' system now.
2007-07-24 06:59:55
19.   Jim Dean
16 The point is: Their numbers (esp. Clippard) aren't that different from White or Ohlendorf.
2007-07-24 07:02:29
20.   Jim Dean
18 It's the Indianapolis Indians - the Pirates AAA club. No biggie.
2007-07-24 07:02:37
21.   Cliff Corcoran
Meanwhile, checking the SWB site, I see that Britton is on the DL, which helps explain why he's not in the majors right now.
2007-07-24 07:03:09
22.   Cliff Corcoran
20 Right, sorry. The Indians triple-A is Buffalo.
2007-07-24 07:04:13
23.   Jim Dean
15 It's a fair point. He's a control guy and seems to have lost his control. He has plenty of time to get it back. Anyone know if the pitching coach at Trenton is the same guy he had last year?
2007-07-24 07:05:12
24.   Jim Dean
21 Someone here said 7-day?

I'm not sure if that's what explain it....since he wouldn't get work if he was.

2007-07-24 07:07:27
25.   Cliff Corcoran
More SWB fun, looks like they picked up Scott Williamson, who was released by the Orioles.
2007-07-24 07:07:50
26.   ChrisS
16 I don't know, I doubt we'll be seeing the last of Clippard or Wright. Unfortunately, they will likely be the odd men out when it comes time to plan for the '08 rotation.

In the end it doesn't really bother me that much, because I don't think they're getting dumped down because because they can't hack it.

2007-07-24 07:08:08
27.   Sliced Bread
13 Yep, video killed the prog rock star, and at the same time, prog rockers like Genesis and Peter Gabriel also went pop, and started producing TV friendly videos with puppets and claymation.
2007-07-24 07:09:46
28.   Sliced Bread
27 see "World of Confusion" and "Sledgehammer."
2007-07-24 07:10:41
29.   Shaun P
14 Especially with a new stadium on the horizon, and Mauer locked up cheap ($8M per), and Hunter ($12M) soon off the books, there is no way the Twins don't re-sign Johan. They could pay him $25M/year and still have $50M left to spend on the rest of the team - which they won't need too, because they have so many guys who cost so little.

13 I had the pleasure of seeing Emerson, Lake and Palmer in concert on their last tour in 1998 (along with Dream Theater). They put on an outstanding show, playing for over two hours, and the crowd wanted more. I wish I had discovered them sooner; I had only been a fan for a couple of years at that point.

2007-07-24 07:11:28
30.   Jim Dean
23 I answered my own question. Dave Eiland got promoted and is the Scranton pitching coach.

Their IF coach?

The immortal: Alvaro Espinoza

2007-07-24 07:13:41
31.   Shaun P
26 True, but it won't hurt to have guys with the ability of Clippard and Wright available to fill in when someone gets hurt. Much preferable to, say, Kris Wilson, or Tim Redding.
2007-07-24 07:14:47
32.   williamnyy23
Two comments on the thread from yesterday's game:

It was kind of funny that the bunting situation we discussed (1-2 and no outs) popped up again. Even though it would have taken the bat out of Arod hand (Matsui with the bags juiced isn't a bad consolation), I wasn't opposed to trying to push one or two more runs across because it was already the 9th inning and it would have permitted Torre to leave Rivera in the pen without angst (assuming he didn't continue his trend of bringing in Mo most often with a 4-run differential). I find it a little odd that Torre would be more committed to bunting in the fourth inning with the same situation than the 9th.

There was a lot of talk about the value of line drive hitters over home run hitters that was perplexing. Most studies seem to suggest things: (1) Homeruns, hitting and preventing them, are more the result of skill than almost any other outcome; and (2) OBP correlates best to runs scored than any other conventional stat.

Based on statement 1, I would think it would be an asset to have players who are capable of hitting home runs because it increasingly removes luck from the equation. Now, great pitchers are usually "great" because they have the skill of avoiding home runs, so that leads many to the conclusion that in a big game you need contact hitters. Well, I don't really buy that. Someone asked the question whether you'd rather have 9 Ichiro's against Pedro or 9 McGwire's (or similar players of that ilk). Personally, I'd rather have the slugger because it only takes one good swing to plate a run. As great as Pedro was, it always seemed easier to score on a lighting bolt than on trying to string together hits as part of a rally.

Of course, statement 2 makes the debate somewhat "mute" because the best hitters are those who get on base more; how they hit the ball is much less meaningful. In other words, I'd rather have as many guys who makes as few outs possible than any other combination.

I think the reason most people "feel" that having contact hitters makes for a more stable offense is because certain situations standout more prominently in the mind. When there is a man on 1st and 2 outs, most fans probably assume the inning is over, so when a Giambi-type jacks a two run homer, it's a pleasant surprise. On the other hand, when there is a man on 3rd and 1 out and Giambi K's, the missed opportunity sticks in the craw, causing one to lament the pitfalls of the slugger. The same psychological illusion probably explains why so many people think Cairo is a professional hitter. When he makes an out, you think nothing of it, but when he gets a hit, your shock and surprise makes the event standout.

One more anecdote to consider…how many big Yankee post season walk-offs have come on a hit versus a HR? Off the top of my head, the HR column is filled by the likes of Leyritz, Bernie (a few times), Jeter, Chad Curtis, Soriano and Boone, while the hit column has Vizcaino and Knoblauch. The Yankee post season has been littered with huge home runs that changed games on a dime, so I don't think you can make the argument that contact hitters and line drives up the gap win in the postseason, but power doesn't.

2007-07-24 07:15:09
33.   Cliff Corcoran
28 That's "Land of Confusion" and both of those were around 1987 long after the transition. Genesis went pop with "That's All!"
2007-07-24 07:18:42
34.   Shaun P
32 Fantastic; what a great way to argue the point. Can I copy that and paste it when necessary?

33 "Now this is the world we live in (oh oh oh) and these are the hands we've given (oh oh oh)"

At least I don't have Kansas in my head anymore. ;)

2007-07-24 07:18:54
35.   Cliff Corcoran
So next year's rotation: Wang, Hughes, Pettitte, Chamberlain, Mussina? With hopes and prayers for Kennedy to supplant Mussina mid-year?
2007-07-24 07:21:22
36.   Jim Dean
35 And Clemens as the 7th and 8th inning guy?
2007-07-24 07:21:48
37.   williamnyy23
34 You have express written consent for all reproduction, retransmission or rebroadcast.
2007-07-24 07:22:05
38.   Jim Dean
35 And what about Igawa!?
2007-07-24 07:22:33
39.   JL25and3
0 Emma, if you're the one quoting the song, it's hard to blame Kansas for getting it stuck in your head. And it's especially hard to blame them for getting it stuck in my head - that's definitely your fault. Carry on, my wayward son...Evil, evil earworm.

5 Yeah, but at least that one set up a great line in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure: "Dust. Wind. Dude."

2007-07-24 07:24:34
40.   williamnyy23
35 I'd sure like that Texas fella to stick around too, maybe as Mussina's June replacement. Kennedy could be the 6th man filling in when the inevitable injuries occur, working out of the bullpen in the meantime and perhaps taking a few starts from Chamberlain and Hughes so as to keep their workloads down (i.e., Hughes throws 120 in a shutout and then gets skipped the next time around).

The Yankees have enough good, young arms that they have an opportunity to be very creative with how they design their staff.

2007-07-24 07:30:32
41.   Sliced Bread
35 No Moose in '08, please.

33 "That's All" was on Genesis/Genesis which was around '83. Don't remember the video for it, but Collins tried to do straight up performance videos for as long as MTV would let him get away with it.

Sledgehammer was Gabriel's first video in the MTV era, if I recall correctly, and it seemed to me at the time that MTV was "forcing" both acts to change their tune as it were.

The Sting/Knopfler "I want my MTV" thing was where rock music completely caved in to MTV. Not a terrible tune, but a travesty just the same.

2007-07-24 07:30:52
42.   Shaun P
38 Igawa can be an effective reliever and, if needed, occasional long man/spot starter.

40 "The Yankees have enough good, young arms that they have an opportunity to be very creative with how they design their staff."

Unless Mr. Formula returns next year.

2007-07-24 07:33:53
43.   Jim Dean
42 Of 38, you mean at The Office?
2007-07-24 07:37:17
44.   ny2ca2dc
42 You think a guy that gives up that many bombs can be a good reliever?? The guy's bombs need to be measured in HR/IP, not HR/9IP!

35 Looks pretty good. Cashman has his work cut out trying to generate value from all the B/B- arms our there, Rasner, Clip, White, Wright, Karstens, Desalvo, Igawa, etc. Those guys ought to be able to yield a stellar bench & bullpen though. maybe.

What to do with Clemens though? What if he wants to pitch again next year? Do you let him go to the Sox (though they may have enough of their own young pitching to not need him)? Maybe if the guys buy him a nice, big truck as a retirement gift, then he'll finally retire, in pinstripes.

2007-07-24 07:37:43
45.   Shaun P
35 2008 pitching staff

Starters:
Wang
Hughes
Pettitte
Moose
Joba
Kennedy (mid-year/injury sub?)

Bullpen*:
Mo
Proctor
Bruney
Igawa
Britton
Henn
Edwar

And that doesn't leave any room for Karstens, Rasner, TJ Beam, or J Brent Cox. Pardon me, I have to wipe the drool off my keyboard now.

(* I presume the Yanks will let Myers, Villone, and Vizcaino all walk as free agents, and trade Farnsworth at some point.)

2007-07-24 07:41:19
46.   rconn23
WIth the prospects of Teixeira being traded on the upswing, I wonder if the Rangers would accept a package of Marquez and Horne with another prospect thrown in. Those two, even though they haven't see any major league time, both are about 23 or 24 and better than pretty much anyone the Rangers have in their rotation.

I like trying to acquire Teixeira more than any other possible quick fix (Dunn, Dmitri, Hatteberg) because whether the Yanks make the playoffs this year or not, they are set at first base for the next five years. That is provided they can sign him to a long term deal.

2007-07-24 07:43:13
47.   ny2ca2dc
45 Unless Procter & Bruney get it together, which you might not want to bet too heavily on, them being reliever and all, that's a pretty week bullpen. I would hope some of these guys + the spare part starters could generate some impact relievers. Viz might just be worth resigning, unless his departure could yield draft picks.
2007-07-24 07:45:47
48.   Shaun P
46 I read that the Rangers' GM won't give up Teixeira unless he gets a #1 blue-chip prospect in return. He's lost too many trades: Soriano for Wilkerson (though honestly at the time that looked very smart), Chris Young AND Adrian Gonzalez for Aki Otsuka, John Danks for Brandon McCarthy. And Tex isn't a free agent until after 2008, so there's no real urgency. I'm not sure Horne + Marquez + ______ does the job, though I'd be pleased. =)
2007-07-24 07:45:49
49.   Cliff Corcoran
41 Gabriel's first MTV success was "Shock the Monkey" which was late '82/early '83. "Sledgehammer" was three years later.

The video for "That's All!" (a year after "Monkey") had the three members of Genesis dressed as bums singing/playing the song around a very sound-stagey Skid Row trash can fire.

Meanwhile Igawa's future is definitely relief. I think he pitches better without advance notice.

2007-07-24 07:47:25
50.   williamnyy23
46 All accounts have the Rangers asking for Chamberlain. Marquez and Horne would be an awful package for Texeira, which probably means the Rangers would take it.

For some reason, there is a rumor that the Yankees are interested Jon Garland and Matt Thornton from Chicago. Regardless of whom they'd give up, that would be an awful deal. Garland would presumably take Hughes spot, which would be a net negative, while Thornton's chief talent is his ability to walk batters. I can't imagine why the Yankees would think they need another one those.

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2007-07-24 07:48:19
51.   Jim Dean
46 Throw in Gardner (since the Rangers have 40 yo Kenny Lofton in CF) and I honestly think that could do it. If I'm the Yankees, I'd rather one of Horne or Marquez plus a Smith/Jones and White/Ohlendorf.

That's pretty nice haul for the Rangers. They get one or two potential back of the rotation guys and a CF prospect. I can't imagine any other team offering more unless it involves a true A prospect like a Buchholz or Bailey.

2007-07-24 07:51:30
52.   Jim Dean
48 Thing is: Like Santana, the trade value starts dropping sharply from this point forward (1.5 seasons plus two rounds of playoffs).