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It Don't Gotta Be Pretty

2007-06-16 21:45

by Cliff Corcoran

The Yankees won ugly yesterday afternoon, beating the Mets 11-8 in a game that saw almost constant scoring by both teams. The Mets scored in each of the first four frames, driving Tyler Clippard from the game in the fourth after taking a 5-4 lead on a one-out, two-run Ramon Castro homer and then putting two more men on base. Luis Vizcaino shut the door and the Yanks took back the lead for good in the bottom of the frame on a two-run Derek Jeter homer, but at 6-5 the game was far from over. Tom Glavine got bounced in the fifth and the Yankees scored two runs in each inning from the second through the sixth to build their lead to 10-5, but even that wasn't all.

Kyle Farnsworth was up to his old tricks in the eighth, walking the leadoff man and number eight hitter, then watching him come around to score before striking out Carlos Beltran and David Wright to end the inning. The Yankees got that run back in the next half inning, but Mariano Rivera followed with his worst outing since April. Entering the game, Rivera hadn't allowed a run in his last 10 1/3 innings and had allowed just six base runners and struck out 12 over that span. Yesterday, Mo was greeted by back-to-back singles by Carlos Delgado and Paul Lo Duca, then, after a Shawn Green fly out, Ramon Castro singled to load the bases. Mo bore down and struck out Ruben Gotay on three pitches for the second out, but Carlos Gomez reached on yet another infield single (his fourth in two games) to plate Delgado and Jose Reyes singled off Rivera's ankle to plate Lo Duca before Mo finally got Carlos Beltran to pop out to end the game.

The good news on Rivera is that there's no conern over the ankle and he didn't allow any extra base hits or walk anyone, and he was able to bear down and K Gotay (who had singled, homered, and walked twice in his previous four plate appearances), so odds are the outing was just a fluke, though the 33 pitches he threw likely eliminate him from tonight's rubber game.

In other good news, Luis Vizcaino, who picked up the win yesterday, hasn't allowed a run in his last five outings and has a 1.13 ERA over his last seven. He's still walking a ton of batters, but he's striking out even more, suppressing hits, and getting the job done. In other words, he's gone from being a Kyle Farnsworth imitator to being a Brian Bruney imitator. Supposedly some coaching from Rivera has made the difference.

Finally, Clippard's poor outing yesterday has opened the door for the return of Kei Igawa. In his last two starts, Clippard has a 14.14 ERA and a 2.43 WHIP. Igawa, meanwhile, has reworked his mechanics and posted the following line over his last three starts in triple-A Scranton:

20 IP, 15 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 21 K, 1.05 WHIP, 1.80 ERA

The Yankees won't need a fifth starter again until Saturday, but all signs point to the return of Iggy. Clippard has already been demoted, with the Yankees bringing up Kevin Thompson to finally expand their bench back to four men. With Randy Johnson back on the DL, Vicaino pitching well, Igawa due to return, and Bobby Abreu and Alex Rodriguez carrying the team, Brian Cashman could look a whole lot smarter a week from now than he did just a few short weeks ago.

As for tonight's game, this should be a real treat. Not only is it the rubber game of the home half of the subway series, with the Yanks poised once again to hit their high-water mark of the season by going three games over .500 with a win, a win which would also earn them a split of the season series with the Mets, but the pitching match up is Chien-Ming Wang versus El Duque. Seriously now, could it get much more fun than that?

The one concern going into tonight's game is the fact that the Mets, particularly rookie speedster Gomez, have been getting an unusual number of infield hits and have stolen ten bases in two games against Jorge Posada and the slow-to-the-plate Yankee pitchers. Wang has allowed just five steals all year, but his ground ball tendencies could make him susceptible to the turnaround in the Mets line-up with Gomez and Reyes legging out infield hits. As for El Duque, he allowed just two runs in his first 19 innings after coming off the DL in late May, but had a rough go in his last outing against the Dodgers, though he still hasn't allowed a home run in his last 38 2/3 innings. Here's hoping he breaks out the eephus against Rodriguez and Alex gives it a ride.

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2007-06-17 11:50:38

1. seamus

speaking of bruney, i was gawking at his game log today. 7 walks in his last 3.1 IP. ouch.

2007-06-17 11:53:54

2. matt nokes forever

Yet I still trust him more than "Old Reliable" Farnsworth...

2007-06-17 12:00:42

3. matt nokes forever

And as for Clippard's 14.14 era in the last two starts, it is also important to remember that one of those came against the Pirates. Also noteworthy is T-Clip's 2.81 era on the road versus 11.45 era at the Stadium... maybe he can't handle the pressure? Or maybe he's just a kid and needs a little bit more time in Scranton or Tampa to work on his stuff? Either way, bring back Diet Dice-K.

2007-06-17 12:15:32

4. ric

diet dice-k... thats awesome :)

2007-06-17 12:17:33

5. Shaun P

2 Agreed. Though if Farns has that slider working . . . apparently that's why Torre keeps going to him in the 8th. He figures Farnsworth can be dominant if he has the slider working.

The problem, of course, is that Farnsworth too often doesn't have the slider working, and yet Joe keeps running him out there in the 8th.

I hope VizcaiNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO keeps up his good(?) pitching. The number of balls and strikes he throws still bothers me, though. Too many balls. I suppose one could say the same for Bruney, so maybe it shouldn't bother me.

2007-06-17 12:57:05

6. JL25and3

I was at yesterday's game, and yeah, it was ugly. Mariano's performance didn't concern me - I thought it was more bad luck than bad pitching. Delgado's hit was a real seeing-eye grounder, not all that well hit, and Gomez's infield single would ordinarily have been an out.

Worst of all was Castro's single, which really alarmed me. It looked like it wasn't more than 3 feet to Jeter's right, and he barely waved at it. To his right? If he isn't moving well that way, either, then there's big trouble. It would be nice to see him dive for a ball once in a while.

2007-06-17 13:21:34

7. matt nokes forever

4 Thanks... I try.

2007-06-17 13:25:40

8. matt nokes forever

5 I always feel like it's dodging bullets with Vizcai-oh-no! If the hitters get themselves out, great... if not, it's like a b.p. session. Granted, you ride your hot hand and if the baseball gods are allowing him to put together a few scoreless appearances together, by all means. But when he reverts --- ala Kombustable Kyle --- I will not be surprised.

2007-06-17 14:47:01

9. seamus

looks like our standard lineup these days with Damon at DH. This lineup has really worked well for us. Cairo is the weak point but even he has been overachieving.

2007-06-17 15:23:51

10. Shaun P

9 Overachieving compared to his own standards. At 1B, no walks, two extra base hits (both doubles), and 10 singles, for the funky line of .343/.333/.400 (in 35 ABs). Not horrible, not great, but all batting average and so not going to last. When the average drops, watch out.

I just realized that the two Yankees most of us would like to see out of prominent roles (Cairo and Krazy Kyle) are also the only two ex-Cubs on the roster. Hmmm . . .

2007-06-17 15:27:07

11. seamus

10 No question that Cairo isn't our ideal first baseman. But none of the first basemen on our roster are ideal first basemen for this team.

2007-06-17 15:34:20

12. Start Spreading the News

8 9 I am reminded of Pinella's quote about Marco Scutaro: that it was like "finding a wallet on Friday and expecting to find another wallet on Saturday and Sunday."

2007-06-17 15:43:26

13. monkeypants

11 No doubt about. There is no ideal 1B on the Yankees roster. No arguing with that logic, I guess.

2007-06-17 16:05:36

14. tommyl

Here's a novel idea. Could you warm up a couple of relievers at a time and ask the BP coach which one has "stuff" on a given night? That way if Farns has the slider going, trot him out, if he doesn't, well its Bruney time.

2007-06-17 16:08:56

15. Ramone

14 I'm not saying there is zero correlation, but often how a person looks in the pen does not reflect how he will pitch.

In defense of Mo, he got robbed and should have had a couple of pitches called for strikes.

2007-06-17 16:14:43

16. seamus

15 not only that, but I'd be surprised if the coaches didn't ask how a reliever they were concerned about looked. It may not change their decision, but heh...

2007-06-17 16:15:19

17. rbj

Steve Philips continues to be an idiot, but then I repeat myself.

Last year he wanted the Yankees to trade A-Rod, now he wants the Yankees to make Barry Bonds their DH next year. Ugh.

2007-06-17 16:19:54

18. seamus

17 seriously? Because one steroid legacy DH isn't enough? bah.

2007-06-17 16:24:51

19. brockdc

17 That might not be such a horrible idea, but...oh, wait: we already have three DH's with immovable contracts on our roster...

...and, oh, what: Barry Bonds is a cancer.

Other than that, brilliant thinking by S.P. per always

2007-06-17 16:28:38

20. brockdc

19what=wait. Sheesh, I flub my one post for the month. Now I know how Josh Phelps feels.

2007-06-17 16:29:36

21. Chyll Will

17 idiot

noun

"One deficient in judgment and good sense: ass, fool, imbecile, jackass, mooncalf, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simple, simpleton, softhead, tomfool. Informal: dope, gander, goose. Slang: cretin, ding-dong, dip, goof, jerk, nerd, schmo, schmuck, turkey. See Steve Phillips , redundant , ad infinitum "

2007-06-17 16:37:21

22. rbj

21 LOL, Chyll Will.
Apparently the Yankees are used to soap operas, so Barry wouldn't be a problem.

Now I understand why Philips was a horrible GM -- he was worried more about the personalities in the clubhouse (where could A-Rod fit, where could Barry fit) and not so much about the needs of the team on the field in terms of winning ballgames. Yankees have Giambi under contract (no trade) for next year (very good OB guy, bad legs) at DH. Yankees have Damon (no trade?) under contract for next year (fine OB guy, bad legs) at DH/1B. A ha, the Yankees should go and pay ubergobs of money to have an extremely great OB guy - with bad legs at DH for next year.

2007-06-17 16:54:40

23. Hocakes

Cashman is going to have to deal with a lot of issues this offseason:

Will Pettitte exercise his player option?
if not
Who fills his spot in the rotation?

Will Alex opt-out, re-up or play it out?
and
If he does opt out, who plays third base?

Does the club exercise Abreu's option?
if not
Who plays right field?

The question of Jonny Damon...what position will he play? Is he a solution at first? If not, who is?

Should the club go after one of the top-tier free-agent center fielders, Ichiro or Jones?,

---
There are probably some I'm leaving out(what to do with Colter Beane?)Of course, these matters will be much easier for Cashman to deal with if the Yanks have a good run in October, as the goodwill will be flowing along with the champagne. However, if they fail to make the postseason, Cashman won't have to worry because someone else will be dealing with these issues.

2007-06-17 17:16:12

24. seamus

anyone think that wang hit him just to induce the double play?

2007-06-17 17:17:47

25. RIYank

Hi Seamus.

2007-06-17 17:18:41

26. RIYank

5 pitch inning can't be bad, anyway. At this rate he could pitch at least twenty innings tonight.

2007-06-17 17:18:56

27. seamus

25 hi RIYank. I hope its not just us again.

2007-06-17 17:20:05

28. seamus

uh oh. el duque looks good.

2007-06-17 17:21:05

29. rbj

Past a diving Gotay!

2007-06-17 17:21:20

30. seamus

Nice piece of hitting by jeter on a good pitch from elduque

2007-06-17 17:22:17

31. 3rd gen yankee fan

27 It's the Jetes and JoPo of BB!

2007-06-17 17:23:35

32. Chyll Will

27 I can only lurk for now, my roommate is hogging the computer >:'

2007-06-17 17:23:48

33. RIYank

Whew, looks like we'll have lots of good help. Now let's hope Jeter can get some, too.

2007-06-17 17:25:18

34. rbj

32 Give your roommate a shiny object or a super fun happy ball.

2007-06-17 17:26:07

35. seamus

34 that oughtta work. 32 listen to rbj.

c'mon a-god!

2007-06-17 17:26:11

36. RIYank

(Warning: do not anger superhappyfunball.)

2007-06-17 17:26:32

37. Flip Play

27 I'm lurking, since ESPN is carrying the game and I'm on the west coast.

2007-06-17 17:27:25

38. rbj

Hey, this A-Rod guy is pretty good.

2007-06-17 17:27:27

39. Flip Play

Okay, I'll chime in with a "YAY-ROD!"

2007-06-17 17:27:34

40. seamus

so, if torre is leaning towards melky in center against colorado, does that mean damon's on the bench?

HA! A-God!

2007-06-17 17:27:43

41. RIYank

Okay, that counts as help. HA! help.

2007-06-17 17:28:09

42. Eirias

27 You are not alone.

2007-06-17 17:28:21

43. Marcus

Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, which if exposed due to rupture should not be touched, inhaled, or pitched to Alex Rodriguez.

2007-06-17 17:29:12

44. rbj

Do not pitch happy fun ball to A-Rod.

2007-06-17 17:29:17

45. seamus

29 31 32 37 42 so nice to have y'all here for the game!

2007-06-17 17:29:27

46. tommyl

Um, wow. I was at the game yesterday in LF and the difference between Jeter's and A-Rod's shots was clear. Jeter's we were going, "C'mon...", A-Rod's the second he hit it I saw jaws drop. I don't think I've ever seen a ball hit that hard off the bat.

2007-06-17 17:29:51

47. Flip Play

That last commercial is reminiscent of very Happy Fun Ball.

2007-06-17 17:30:20

48. seamus

46 not many gods come down to earth to play the game of baseball. they do have their own things to do normally.

2007-06-17 17:30:29

49. rbj

43 Jinx!

2007-06-17 17:30:43

50. weeping for brunnhilde

46 I know, right off the bat, there's just never any doubt.

It's amazing

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2007-06-17 17:30:49

51. RIYank

Alex should get like one HR free for every three he hits over 450 feet.

2007-06-17 17:30:49

52. seamus

47 I've got happy fingers. I'm interneting it. what was the commercial?

2007-06-17 17:31:02

53. thelarmis

HA! and, hi...

2007-06-17 17:32:25

54. Flip Play

52 It was a Cialis commerical with a million warnings.

2007-06-17 17:32:57

55. Marcus

49 HA!

2007-06-17 17:33:02

56. tommyl

The other thing I noticed is that Reyes ia a terror. You can never, ever let him on base. There were times when I expected him to steal 2nd, 3rd and home.

Oh, and A-Rod is kinda good in the field too. And RJ is on the DL. Its a happy day :)

2007-06-17 17:33:10

57. seamus

54 lol. i can see the happy fun ball relation!

a-god! Ha!

2007-06-17 17:34:50

58. tommyl

Woah, Wang is looking like a bona-fide ace.

2007-06-17 17:35:06

59. RIYank

Wanger is da man today. Lots of good grounders and a K.

2007-06-17 17:35:22

60. seamus

wang looking good. How many pitches that inning? Anyone know?

2007-06-17 17:35:55

61. weeping for brunnhilde

Wow, what was that Wang just threw? Was that a four-seamer?

It had so much lateral movement, it was just unfair.

Great pitch.

2007-06-17 17:36:30

62. 3rd gen yankee fan

Wang is like the Buddha. Business as usual.

2007-06-17 17:38:31

63. bobtaco

Nice Matsui-san

2007-06-17 17:43:04

64. rbj

Happy fun ball interferred with my internet connection there for a minute.

I forget, why did the Yanks let El Duque go?

2007-06-17 17:43:24

65. seamus

tough at bat. Melky was frozen on that strike 3. It is now up to miggy mantle,eh?

2007-06-17 17:43:45

66. bobtaco

65 That question always skips through my mind too.

2007-06-17 17:44:18

67. bobtaco

Sorry, that was for 64

2007-06-17 17:44:43

68. RIYank

Wang threw ten pitches in the second. So he's up to 15.

2007-06-17 17:45:32

69. seamus

68 i wish he wouldn't waste an extra 5 pitches like that. :)

2007-06-17 17:47:21

70. tommyl

Best .230 hitter in baseball strikes again!

2007-06-17 17:47:36

71. rbj

Miggy comes through again!

2007-06-17 17:47:38

72. seamus

wow! great at bat by miggy.

2007-06-17 17:47:39

73. bobtaco

65 and Mig Mantle delivers

2007-06-17 17:47:58

74. RIYank

MIGGYMANIA!!!!

2007-06-17 17:48:34

75. 3rd gen yankee fan

my my my!

2007-06-17 17:48:39

76. Mattpat11

Not only is Miggymania running wild to a degree Stinkapalooza could never reach, I think Cairo is the most fun of all our shitty first base options to watch.

2007-06-17 17:49:23

77. RIYank

69 I'm just concerned that it will be 20 next inning and 40 in the fourth. Wang is such an exponential kind of guy.

2007-06-17 17:49:26

78. tommyl

Cue Pete Abraham's Phelps bashing

2007-06-17 17:50:20

79. RIYank

76 Okay, who hacked into Mattpat11's Toaster account?

2007-06-17 17:50:33

80. rbj

Thanks for the extra base, Shawn.

2007-06-17 17:50:35

81. tommyl

Ahhhh, good end to the weekend

2007-06-17 17:51:30

82. seamus

78 i'm sure. gotta go look now. why does he need to tear Phelps down to recognize that Cairo is playing over his head?

2007-06-17 17:51:41

83. RIYank

64 Hmm, it's coming to me... yes, I think I remember clearlky now why we let him go.

2007-06-17 17:52:15

84. 3rd gen yankee fan

That's why we traded El Duque.

2007-06-17 17:52:45

85. bobtaco

83 but it is fun to watch his wicked slop

2007-06-17 17:53:01

86. 3rd gen yankee fan

76 Big LOL!

2007-06-17 17:53:41

87. tommyl

82 Sometimes you have to remember that Pete is a bit anti-SAB