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You Can't Win If You Don't Score
2007-06-16 08:22
by Cliff Corcoran

The Yankees didn't score last night, and they didn't win. They did manage to put eight runners on against Oliver Perez, getting a man as far as second base in each of the game's first four innings, but Perez rallied to strike out Bobby Abreu, and Alex Rodriguez in the first, Melky Cabrera in the second, and Jorge Posada in the third. Meanwhile a big fly to center in the third that looked like a two-run home run off Alex Rodriguez's bat fell short and into Carlos Beltran's glove.

Indeed, the Mets played fantastic defense all night. The key play came in the bottom of the fourth. After Hideki Matsui took six straight pitches to draw a leadoff walk, Perez walked Robinson Cano on four more tosses. Josh Phelps, DHing in place of late-scratch Johnny Damon, then took ball one, but swung through ball two to even the count before working it full and flying out to right for the first out. Miguel Cairo followed by looking at strike one, then yanking Perez's next pitch to the top of the Cannon sign in the left field corner. Rookie Carlos Gomez, who showed his lightening speed in the third inning by reaching on a bunt single, stealing second, then scoring the game's first run on a Jose Reyes single, drifted back to the wall and made nice leaping catch a foot above the wall to take a would-be three-run home run away from Cairo. Gomez then fired a one-hop strike from the wall to second base to double off Matsui, who had inexplicably ranged almost all the way to third base.

That ended the Yankee threat in both that inning and for the game. Reyes hit the only curveball Roger Clemens threw all night for a solo home run in the top of the fifth and Perez set the next ten Yankees down in order before a one-out Derek Jeter double in the eighth ended his evening. Jeter was followed by a shot off Bobby Abreu's bat that imitated Alex Rodriguez's third-inning fly out almost exactly--a two-run homer off the bat that died in deep center and settled in to Carlos Beltran's glove. That was the last gasp. 2-0 Mets.

As for Clemens, he pitched well again, striking out eight in 6 1/3 innings and, other than Reyes's homer of his lone curveball, allowing only six singles, two of them on bunts, and walked one. This was my first look at the 44-year-old version of Clemens and I can't say I was terribly impressed, but you can't argue with the results (12 1/3 IP, 12 H, 3 BB, 15 K, 3.65 ERA). Clemens looks a little chunky and his fastball now tops out at 91 miles per hour. According to the YES broadcasters, however, Andy Pettitte says that's as fast as it's going to get and that he wasn't throwing any harder in Houston, where he posted a 2.40 ERA over three seasons. Instead Clemens's game is now location and the still nasty Mr. Splitee, which was indeed his outpitch again last night (just ask Carlos Delgado). Hey, with Wang and Pettitte cruising, Clemens only needs to be one of the top three guys, not the full-blown ace, and the sort of performances he's turned in in his first two starts this season are everything the Yankees had hoped for, and he's likely still tuning up.

Today, the Yankees throw a pitcher 22 1/2 years Clemens' junior at the Mets. Tyler Clippard made his major league debut at Shea, holding the Mets to one run on three hits and three walks (one intentional) while striking out six in six innings and earning the win. Clippard hasn't been quite that good since, but he's shown flashes. Unfortunately, he's coming off his worst major league outing (3 2/3 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, 6 R), which came against the lowly Pirates. He'll have to rebound from that this afternoon to keep the Yankees from thinking about spinning that fifth-spot revolving door again.

Clippard's opposite number, 19 years his senior, is also coming off his worst outing of the year. Tom Galvine was lit up by the Tigers for nine runs on 11 hits and a pair of walks in 4 1/3 innings last weekend. Otherwise, he's been remarkably consistent, turning in ten quality starts in his previous 13 games, only once failing to complete six innings and only twice allowing as many as four earned runs. Glavine's job is not in danger.

In the big picture, the Yankees need a win today to avoid slipping back down to .500 and to have a chance to keep their four-series winning streak going.

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2007-06-16 09:36:39
1.   rbj
Sigh. The reason today's game is not available out of market is ?
I mean, you'd figure that Fox would highlight the NY vs. NY game, just as ESPN is doing tomorrow night.
2007-06-16 09:47:46
2.   yankz
Check it out- Big Unit goes on DL with a strained gluteus. Guess he's been hanging out with old He Who Must Not Be Named.

Oh Jim Dean...

2007-06-16 09:57:10
3.   Rich
I don't think Cairo's ball was going out. The fans in the LF stands had their hands over the wall in a failed attempt to Jeffrey Maier it. That, imo, is a good barometer of it's ultimate distance.

It was still a very good catch though, but it was likely going to be a double or, if it caromed the right way, a triple

2007-06-16 10:06:20
4.   Paul in Boston
Can anyone send me the "magic" link? psax78@gmail.com, gracias.
2007-06-16 10:07:19
5.   Ravenscar
Mets fan here, but don't worry, I'm not trolling, I'm a respectful alternate view and regular Banter reader.

That fly ball definitely wasn't going out, but no matter what happened, it was going to hurt us if it hit the ground. Badly.

2007-06-16 10:08:18
6.   Ravenscar
I would likewise love that link, if it works on Macintosh - orlandolassus@yahoo.com
2007-06-16 10:08:24
7.   seamus
3 that is less the point to me. I'd a been fine with him not catching it and it landing inside the field of play.
2007-06-16 10:09:54
8.   rbj
5 That's ok, Ravenscar, we all have our flaws --jk.
2007-06-16 10:13:05
9.   Ravenscar
OK, there is our trouble in a nutshell right there, what Beltran did. Without Reyes last night, we were dead dead dead.
2007-06-16 10:17:22
10.   Mattpat11
ech.
2007-06-16 10:18:27
11.   Zack
pastadiving Jeter...very fieldable ball
2007-06-16 10:22:33
12.   seamus
the walk to reyes was infuriating. That should have been a fairly easy inning for clippard.
2007-06-16 10:24:14
13.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, I see there's a new thread, so I'll stop posting on the previous one now.

:)

2007-06-16 10:27:30
14.   SF Yanks
If anyone is in the magic link giving mood, I would be an appreciated Yankee fan:
Topher00ATcomcastDOTnet
2007-06-16 10:30:23
15.   Ravenscar
OK, this is scary. Um, for me, anyyhow.
2007-06-16 10:32:51
16.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, team, this is our game.

We're hitting the ball hard, it should only be a matter of time.

2007-06-16 10:33:05
17.   Zack
Nerts...DOn't let this be another one of those games please
2007-06-16 10:33:58
18.   Ravenscar
Hey, two lovely humans mailed me the link, but if I need an email and password, I'm not sure what is particularly magical about it. Does it get around some blackout or....?
2007-06-16 10:34:22
19.   Zack
14 Magic link as in how to avoid the dreaded Fox saturday?
2007-06-16 10:35:30
20.   seamus
18 you have to subscribe to mlb-tv.
2007-06-16 10:35:56
21.   seamus
14 did someone hit you up?
2007-06-16 10:37:07
22.   Ravenscar
Ah - I expected more magic. Like a free hack of the game or something. My bad.
2007-06-16 10:38:47
23.   seamus
22 just a way around the blackout for subscribers. pretty magical actually.
2007-06-16 10:42:18
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
I don't believe that!

I was just beginning to get a sense of what Clippard's doing, using the changeup, and I said to myself, "He's not going to get that fastball over the plate he's looking for."

Not 5 seconds later...

Terrible, terrible, pitch selection.

2007-06-16 10:42:59
25.   Ravenscar
Our slap-hitters are homering you guys to death.
2007-06-16 10:43:57
26.   weeping for brunnhilde
I can't believe he grooved him that fastball.

His off-speed stuff has been effective.

Ok, let's hope he adjusts, because he can keep these Mets off-balance if he gets it together.

2007-06-16 10:44:26
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
25 87mph over the dish.

That's what happens.

2007-06-16 10:44:33
28.   Ravenscar
23. - Thanks for the explanation.
2007-06-16 10:45:15
29.   Ravenscar
27 - I'm just on the radio, so it's harder for me to see the pitch. Er, impossible, that is.
2007-06-16 10:49:23
30.   seamus
That was a very good at bat by cano.

superchunk is better audio...

2007-06-16 10:50:59
31.   yankz
Bunting with CAIRO on deck?!

Prove me wrong, Miggy Mantle...

2007-06-16 10:51:11
32.   yankz
Woohoo!
2007-06-16 10:53:45
33.   Ravenscar
It is still difficult for me to root for Glavine. But it would be easier if he could start winning a bit.
2007-06-16 10:53:51
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love this team.

We just got 'em both back with smallball.

I love watching that kind of execution.

Hats off.

2007-06-16 10:54:51
35.   weeping for brunnhilde
With the bottom of our order, that's the point.

The bottom of the order can still be effective and that's "winning baseball," howsoever much you guys like to mock the platitude.

It rings true to me.

2007-06-16 10:56:08
36.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees-Mets game fell victim to the Barry Bonds home run record chase. Fox is going hot and heavy for the Giants and are showing the Giants three straight Saturdays. Last week against Oakland, today against Boston, and then next week against the Giants.

There are a couple more games against the Giants scheduled in July for Fox.

The problem with all that is that the Giants are really dreary to watch unless Lincecum is pitching.

2007-06-16 11:05:12
37.   seamus
yeah bobby!
2007-06-16 11:06:45
38.   Ravenscar
OK, can any of you watchers tell me if that was a good call? Objectively?
2007-06-16 11:07:15
39.   Zack
The terrible umping strikes again
2007-06-16 11:07:30
40.   Chyll Will
I can't watch this game. They're showing it on CW11 and the homerism for the Mets there is worse than anything I've seen.

Akk! Rookie mistake...

2007-06-16 11:07:59
41.   seamus
well. that sucked. the vibes of these games is bothering me. If Clippard would just throw strikes to Reyes this may not be an issue.
2007-06-16 11:08:07
42.   Zack
Terrible terrible call. He asked for time, Jorge jumped up to stop Reyes, and meanwhile Clippard twitched...The Ump has to grant the batter time....Just been our luck
2007-06-16 11:08:39
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it, damn it.

We almost got out of that.

That Reyes is a fucking one-man run machine.

2007-06-16 11:08:44
44.   seamus
38 it was but it kind of sucked. A rookie mistake in stepping off when Delgado called time and it wasn't granted.
2007-06-16 11:09:26
45.   Max
Clippard on his way out...not just of this game, but out of the rotation. Walking Reyes was beyond stupid.
2007-06-16 11:10:02
46.   Zack
If anyone, its Jorge's fault, as he jumped up towards Reyes assuming Time was called...
2007-06-16 11:10:29
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
38 You mean the balk?

I've never been precisely clear as to the definition of a balk, for instance, why Andy's move isn't a balk, but they showed an angle from which Clippard did appear to my eyes to make a sort of funky move towards third.

2007-06-16 11:11:14
48.   Chyll Will
38 Delgado was calling for time and Clip stopped before the ump granted it, which he never did. CW calling for Torre to be ejected for arguing a balk call. Clip should have just threw the ball, but the ump didn't help much.
2007-06-16 11:11:17
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
45 I don't think he did it on purpose, Max.

He's a kid, for Christ's sake.

He'll learn.

He's the guy we need to be patient with.

2007-06-16 11:12:03
50.   seamus
45 that is beyond reason. He is a rookie and it is fair to jump on him. But out of the rotation? Don't be silly.
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2007-06-16 11:12:14
51.   Zack
If Joe allows Clippard to stay in the game, I see him going about 6 with 4 runs. Thats pretty good for a #5, and certainly no reason for 45, especialyl when the other option is Kei Igawa
2007-06-16 11:13:31
52.   Ravenscar
Chyll, I went back and forth between 11 and 9 and then the postgame on YES and SNY last night. There is no amount of homerism from the Mets or Yankees that is any worse than any other, seriously. It's tiresome no matter who is doing it. And the fans of the home team (me included) just cannot see how it is as bad on their own stations as it is on the other ones. It's just the way it is.
2007-06-16 11:13:52
53.   matt nokes forever
HA!
2007-06-16 11:14:14
54.   Chyll Will
Day-amm!! We're supposed to win this game!!
2007-06-16 11:14:18
55.   seamus
A-God strikes again!
2007-06-16 11:14:21
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God did he turn on that!

And we got to see it from the catcher-cam angle!

How very beautiful.

Right off the bat, no question.

2007-06-16 11:14:31
57.   seamus
53 and Ha!
2007-06-16 11:14:40
58.   Zack
I feel like A-Rod has taken over Bernie's old role, that is, as A-Rod goes, so goes the Yankees' offense. Which of course might then be tied into Bobby A too. But more than ever, this offense revolves around A-Rod, and when he produces in a game, it seems like we win...

And holy crap was that a bomb!

53 Youa re obviously watching this live

2007-06-16 11:14:51
59.   Max
Screw smallball. That's more like it.

Not meant at you weeping, just tired of playing this cat and mouse game with a struggling team.

2007-06-16 11:15:43
60.   mishka
Ahh, such a familiar sight - #53 and #13 crossing the plate.
2007-06-16 11:15:45
61.   Chyll Will
52 You're right. I don't like it either way. Still, it's pretty damn bad.
2007-06-16 11:15:54
62.   weeping for brunnhilde
What a beautiful game, so far.

It's got everything.

Speed, pitching, small ball, long ball.

I love it when our attack is diversified. We're unbeatable when we can do small-ball/long-ball in the same game.

2007-06-16 11:16:26
63.   Zack
Clippard needs to go out and have a quick inning now...At least not allow a run.
2007-06-16 11:16:38
64.   Chyll Will
52 At least I missed Gollem...
2007-06-16 11:16:51
65.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, Glavin's getting whacked around.
2007-06-16 11:17:14
66.   matt nokes forever
58 Guess I'm the lucky one with the TV in the office.

And of course, jorge and matsui both just missed depositing theirs over the fence too.

2007-06-16 11:17:24
67.   Zack
Glavine seems to have morphed into Karstens this inning...
2007-06-16 11:17:31
68.   seamus
hitting the ball hard. should have more to show for it. but we've got the lead so... Ha!
2007-06-16 11:17:58
69.   Ravenscar
Having A-Rod on my fantasy team is a real emotional problem for me today.
2007-06-16 11:18:05
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, if we could somehow manage to keep Reyes off base, there's no way they win this game.
2007-06-16 11:18:41
71.   matt nokes forever
Is there any chance T-Clip can have a less-than-20-pitch inning now?
2007-06-16 11:18:41
72.   matt nokes forever
Is there any chance T-Clip can have a less-than-20-pitch inning now?
2007-06-16 11:18:48
73.   seamus
69 I recommend not getting emotional about fantasy baseball. problem solved.
2007-06-16 11:19:16
74.   weeping for brunnhilde
68 It's only a matter of time, seamus. Can't will the ball to drop in, all you can do is hit it hard.

Mostly good swings, except for Robby.

And Derek was off balance his second AB, but otherwise, we should send Glavin out by the sixth.

2007-06-16 11:21:09
75.   seamus
74 it is setting up as a game of the bullpens.
2007-06-16 11:22:20
76.   Ravenscar
I have always said reality trumps fantasy every time. But even I'm allowed small emotions over fantasy performance. I'm not throwing things or weeping. ;-)
2007-06-16 11:22:37
77.   seamus
I like Clippard. But he has this occasional control issue that drives me nuts. Presumably, with experience that will fade. How old is he anyhow?
2007-06-16 11:23:05
78.   seamus
76 that is good to hear! :)
2007-06-16 11:23:47
79.   matt nokes forever
72 guess not
2007-06-16 11:23:58
80.   Ravenscar
Well I'll be damned.
2007-06-16 11:24:06
81.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck.

Was that an 82mph fastball over the plate at the knees?

2007-06-16 11:24:33
82.   Yankees Brasil
Ok..he probably lost his job after that pitch
2007-06-16 11:24:40
83.   seamus
ok. THAT might knock Clippard out of the rotation. His walks are the real problem though.
2007-06-16 11:24:56
84.   matt nokes forever
81 No, that was a BP fastball over the plate at the knees.
2007-06-16 11:25:13
85.   weeping for brunnhilde
77 I don't know, he looks about 22 with those big ears of his.
2007-06-16 11:25:23
86.   Ravenscar
Nice play, Melky. Where's Damon when we need him? ;-)
2007-06-16 11:26:51
87.   Zack
Geez, I cut away for a minute, come back, and another homer to another scrub. Sigh. Ty, I think we might see the last of you, Joe has no time for rookie pitching...
2007-06-16 11:27:37
88.   Max
49 weeping, I like the guy, but he's not ready...the reason he's up pitching every five days is pure desperation. HRs from Castro and Gotay?

I feel bad for him, but I hope he regroups in the minors.

2007-06-16 11:28:21
89.   seamus
Drives me crazy that he gets knocked out on a good pitch. But you can't leave him in there the way he has struggled with men on.
2007-06-16 11:28:34
90.   matt nokes forever
Sooo I'm guessing that after yesterday, no one bothered to discuss how to handle those drag/push bunts the Mets beat us to death with? Wasn't really that important to strategize about huh?
2007-06-16 11:28:41
91.   Zack
Ahh, well, there goes this game. SO much for our momentum, eh? Isn't the whole point of Sean Henn being on this team is for him to be the long man???
2007-06-16 11:29:13
92.   weeping for brunnhilde
Torre should have left him in.

He's not pitching well, obviously, but I think he could have gotten out of that inning. If both guys score, all right, but he's got to be able to learn.

We should be able to score more runs and it's certainly not as if Viscaino is any great shakes anyway.

2007-06-16 11:29:19
93.   rbj
Shoot, I just woke up from a nap for this? If Clippard is the answer, I don't think I want to know what the question is.

Hope Igawa's gotten himself straightened out.

2007-06-16 11:30:08
94.   matt nokes forever
91 He's not in the Torre-circle-of-trust. Viscaino is, though, apparently.
2007-06-16 11:30:27
95.   weeping for brunnhilde
88 Ok, fair enough. If you think he has more to learn in the minors, I agree.

Otherwise, is it possible that it's time for him to learn for real?

You know what I mean?

How do you know what can be worked out in the minors and what through major league experience?

2007-06-16 11:31:08
96.   Zack
94 Right, which of course means he fills the last guy out of the BP never going to pitch role except on 10 days rest and therefore stink role. Sure is a good thing that Britton is rotting in the minors...
2007-06-16 11:31:30
97.   Ravenscar
Reyes thought he was a little TOO invincible there. Not a great AB.
2007-06-16 11:32:04
98.   matt nokes forever
96 Is it really better than rotting in the majors?
2007-06-16 11:32:20
99.   seamus
91 I think that is because of runners on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henn start off the next inning.
2007-06-16 11:32:21
100.   Zack
Its amazing how much more hype Reyes gets than Sizemore, almost purely because of where they play...