Baseball Toaster was unplugged on February 4, 2009.
The Yanks won and the Sox lost last night. I know it's my birthday tomorrow but I didn't know it was a holiday (okay, it wasn't all good, see the latest on Phil Hughes). The Yanks scored early--Johnny Damon led off the game with a home run and later collected the 2,000 hit of his career--and late, and Alex Rodriguez was in the middle of a controversial play, what the Blue Jays later called "a bush league play."
According to the Times:
The Yankees were leading the Toronto Blue Jays by two runs in an eventual 10-5 victory when Jorge Posada lifted a lazy fly ball to third base with two outs in the top of the ninth inning. Third baseman Howie Clark camped under it, but he backed off just after Rodriguez ran slowly past him.Rodriguez said he shouted "Ha" as he passed Clark, who was fooled into thinking that the shortstop, John McDonald, had called for the ball. When Clark backed away, the ball dropped safely onto the turf for a run-scoring single.
Jason Giambi followed with a single scoring two more runs and that was the game. It was a much-needed win for New York (Mariano Rivera got four outs to record the save), but after the game, Rodriguez, who made the front and back cover of the Daily News today for very different reasons, was the topic of conversation. Matt Stairs called it a "horsesh**t" play; the Blue Jays manager said it was not the way the Yankees play baseball.
It was a high school play, all-schoolyard, for sure. But the Jays are upset because they allowed such a thing to happen in the first place. Howie Clark, the third baseman, was playing in his first big league game of the year.
Mike Vaccarro hit the nail on the head in the Post this morning:
Put it this way: If Pete Rose did this, men would write poems about grittiness, paeans to aggressiveness. But with A-Rod, it rubs opponents the wrong way.Put it another way: the next time the Yankees face the Blue Jays, the next time A-Rod steps in against A.J. Burnett or Roy Halladay, he may want to wear two batting helmets.
But as Leo Durocher once wrote:
If a man is sliding into second base and the ball goes into center field, what's the matter with falling on him accidentally so that he can't get up and go to third? If you get away with it, fine. If you don't, what have you lost? I don't call that cheating; I call that heads-up baseball. Win any way you can as long as you can get away with it.
Let's give Emma Span the final word this morning:
Personally, I get a kick out this stuff. Dirty plays that might get someone hurt are dangerous, and no fun to watch; but as far as I'm concerned, anything and everything goes when messing with your opponent's head. After McDonald and Clark and even Gibbons finished barking at him, A-Rod stood at third clearly trying to suppress a grin, and not quite succeeding. Ha! Matsui scored on the play, and The Yanks went on to win 10-5....Look, I wish I could offer more lofty sentiments, but let's be honest. At this point in the Yankees' season, if getting an actual win requires A-Rod to screw thirteen transvestite prostitutes, on a pile of corked bats, in front of Babe Ruth's plaque in Monument Park? Fine.
My favorite moment was the Jays' self-righteous sit-down/stare-down in the dugout after the end of the game. Although Jason Phillip's indignation - after he SHOVED Phelps out of the way the night earlier - was a close second.
He take ball to one side for two bags. He take ball to other side for two bags. He put ball in between the far away people for two bags.
Meanwhile, all the pundits are screaming because this has NEVER happened before? Excuse me? So then I guess the writers of Major League 2 must have had some pretty wild imaginations, since they definitely didn't lift the idea from actual baseball. Faking a double play throw on a grounder up the middle... faking a catch on a deep fly to center... spiking a first baseman if he leaves his foot on the bag: these things are gritty, but what A-Rod did is "bush league"?
I agree with Vaccaro, and to use some modern examples: David Eckstein, Darren Erstad, Manny Ramirez. If any of these players did this, would there be a controversy? It would certainly be "Manny being Manny" and the other two would be praised for their grittiness and clutchitude.
Yes, a lower-tier player would more likely get away with that play without this criticism, and maybe it's not fair that A-Rod is held to a higher standard than them. But since he's billed as one of the best players in the game it just seems like he should be able to succeed without "dirty" plays.
As for 6, I agree with vockins and blame both. On the other hand, I never hear Jays fans brag about how their team always plays with class. Maybe 3rd gen is right about the coming of BZ2...
Also, how about these examples of bush league:
1) Lying about players' injuries and then smugly admitting it on qa radio show...thank you, Mr. Riccardi.
2) Nearly coming to blows on the mound with your starting pitcher...thank you, Mr. Gibbons.
So, when you say most other big name guys wouldn't do what Arod did, I agree. I just don't see that as a knock.
15 a few years ago i would never in my wildest dreams have predicted that i would feel that way about this guy, but damn it, he wants to win. with all of the talk about a "lack of fire" on the team or however you want to put it, it is refreshing to see somebody try something unorthodox if it means it might help the team.
i've done my share of ghost tags where i pretend to get a throw from the OF in order to trick a runner coming to 3B to slide as opposed to round and head home. cheap? absolutely. it makes a difference in a ballgame, though.
when someone pulls off a hidden ball trick, the most bad news bears trick of them all, they play it on sportscenter et. al in a loop for two solid hours. (if it is eckstein who does it, they'll loop it for a weekend straight.)
i believe it was r. kelly who once titled an opus of his, "much ado about nothing."
A-Rod is on the front and back of the Post and News. Its all A-Rod, all the time.
Meanwhile, isn't this exactly what we were talking about yesterday with all the little league comparisons. Granted, we were trying to lighten our own mood, but isn't this stuff funny to the players too?
Shit, if all of baseball is laughing at you, no reason not to poke fun in return. And that was funny. That it turned a close game into a blowout is even better.
18 Really? But they did win the series...
I know I watched the game last night, but the Yankees actually won? I almost can't remember how it feels like, you know, my favorite team winning...
I was a little worried after the great 1st inning and then the Boo-Hoo Jays started sneaking up on us. But whatever, we won...and it was a good game!
16 Huh. I liked r. kelly as Tibault in 'Hamlet', but his best role was probably opposite Jay-Z in "The Importance of Being Earnest", written by a young Marshall Mathers...
Regardless, Billy the Kid would approve.
30 heheheheh
A-Rod is a player with all the talent in the world. (Geez, I sound like John Sterling, this is not starting well.) He knows that popular opinion says that he's missing something. He doesn't quite understand what it is, but it's something that Jeter has, and it has to do with doing a little something extra on the field, something that doesn't merely flow from supreme baseball ability. Going the extra yard, playing a little harder... He wants to do that, too, if for no other reason than that people say he doesn't or can't.
Only he's 'tone deaf'. He can't tell intuitively what it involves. (Maybe he asks himself, WWJD?) So he keeps getting it just slightly wrong, and to the fans and players who don't like him it's like a wrong note in a Beethoven symphony.
Maybe he should just do what A-Rod does, and have a June like his April. Who'd complain?
Phillips: "That was a bulls%*t play!"
Giambi: "STFU and play ball."
This isn't golf, Gibbons. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen...perhaps you can get Hillenbrand back. ;-P
In general, he seems less apologetic for the things he's done this year that the media love to blow up to cataclysmic proportions. He brushed off Pedroia like a gnat and made him look like a whining little midget, and he'll survive this just fine.
Its just like politics. Why should the MSM discuss the substance of a candidate's position, when talking about, oh, the price of his haircut, or whether he can tell a joke or not, gets much higher ratings?
Great point Jim.
Baseball players routinely go about their work with 50,000 fans screaming, massive banks of lights shining in their eyes, broken bats flying at them, fastballs whizzing at their heads, etc.
Stop whining.
So last night, the Yanks beat up a kid pitcher who is two weeks removed from double-A and then they pounded the back end of the Blue Jays' bullpen. In between, they basically did nothing. A win is great (as is an actual Mariano Rivera sighting!) but it's going to take a lot more than this to persuade me that this team isn't cooked.
And a not-too-shabby .279/.333/.605 in "Late and Close."
But shhhhhhh.
36 I certainly hope so! It is one great way to respond to negativity - laugh!
But Mike 40 is right, superstitious stuff aside, the hitting last night was not exactly convincing. Let's see what Cano and Matsui do against the Sox' front end. Then we can be whole-heartedly optimistic.
Me, I'm just glad the Yanks miss Tavarez!
But if they can hit those three starters, that's enough evidence for me, anyway.
All in good time...
But May is over! Summer is a Cumin' In! And what is so rare as a day in June?
Bronson Arroyo for A-Rod on line one....
Salieri to Derek's Mozart?
27 Forgive the pedantry, Will, but there's no such character in Hamlet. Thibault is from Romeo and Juliet, if I'm not mistaken.
"...Look, I wish I could offer more lofty sentiments, but let's be honest. At this point in the Yankees' season, if getting an actual win requires A-Rod to screw thirteen transvestite prostitutes, on a pile of corked bats, in front of Babe Ruth's plaque in Monument Park? Fine."
Hear, hear, Emma.
Once more, with feeling: HA!
What's with you and apostrophes today, CW?
So, do we match up Pettitte against Beckett? I'm down with that.
56 I figured I'd get you on board.
Not sure what you're talking about at second. I'll assume it's double plays. Due to rule 7.09(e)(f), runners and batter-runners can be, and are, called out if the player makes an obvious attempt to break up the DP. Note the weasel word "obvious". Normally an "obvious" attempt is one where the runner can't touch the base, but that's up to the umpire.
Yes, I'm prepapred for 13 innings of one-run ball for both sides. And spelling mistakes! I'm multi-tasking at work right now, albeit not very well it seems...
Does this remind anyone else of Baseketball? "I told you, dude. No more Journey psych-outs!"
62 Yes, McIdiot has repeatedly called him Brandon.
Wait, does this make me a Chyll Will apologist?
A runner taking out a shortstop is pefectly legal so long as the runner also is making an attempt to reach the base and not being obvious about their interference. That means stay within reach of the base, and no pop-up slides.
It is a great movie, but I also liked Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" better.
54 FWIW, A-Rod this year has a 109 Rate/111 Rate2 at 3B, which is outstanding - far and away his best numbers at 3B. In fact, it matches his best years at SS ('96 and 2000 - 109/110).
So there's something else to be very pleased about!
/salute
I need to get a Yankees shirt that just says "HA!" on it.
The horror! The horror!
Happy Birthday, Alex.
It's quirky, tongue-in-cheek, playful, a hint of cynicism, and best of all, bordering on the absurdist.
I like it a lot.
ha ha haaha hha!!
Here's an even better idea: when Arod gets inducted, his plaque should read simply: "HA!"
74 That's delicious, Shaun. Absolutely delicious.
Whose head, though, do you suppose he'd toss onto a guy's lap?
Of all the guys whose head the man has ever called for, who would be the one guy whose head would be featured in that scene?
Irabu's the first guy to come to mind, but there must be a better candidate.
It's gotta be someone who's basically hapless, like the poor bastard sous-chef or whatever he was.
Good stuff.
Did anyone hear Arod's full post game interview? He was not just unapologetic, he was downright nasty. I love it. Looks like he's taking lessons from the Barry Bonds School of Media Relations.
At one point he was asked what McDonald was saying to him and he answered bruskly "I didn;t hear him!". When pressed again by the reported, he repeated I didn't hear him -- but it wasn't a deflecting answer. It was as if he was really saying "I could give to shits what he said so I just blocked that baby out!"
The full interview can be viewed on yesnetwork.com. CLASSIC!
79 80 I would SO love that to become the unity of this team.
HA!
In a nice big fat FU kind of way.
Irabu's the first guy to come to mind, but there must be a better candidate."
Pavano.
Unfortunately the head slipped, fell down and sprained its ear.
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
My roomate said the same exact thing about my iced tea. Throw in a little Sly & The Family Stone and this will be one interesting summer...
86 weeping, given their long and acrimonious history, I'd say Winfield's would have been Evil George's preferred tossed head.
But all credit goes to Chyll, who got me thinking about Heart of Darkness when he brought up Apocalypse Now in 69.
82 It is an interesting comparison, isn't it?
85 Chyll, nice umlaut. You are absolved of all previous punctuational sins.
did anyone see Manny running after that double in the gap last night? his effort could only be described as "casual". even though i can't stand him, he is absolutely hilarious.
Hughes: Who's in charge here?
Farnsworth, looking up from a pizza: You are, sir!
STOP -- you're killing me! People can hear me in my office all alone laughing...next thing you know, they'll be sending Martin Sheen in to get me.
Where's that site that does custom MLB shirts?
i'm just going to record it and keep it cued up and at the ready.
i'll be at the game at fenway tomorrow night. right on the LF line. if there's a pop up to rodriguez, i'm expecting a "HA!" explosion from the stands.
100 Nice, but when A-Rod TOTALLY blows off the media, then we'll know...
I'll stop now >;)
In Atlanta, multitalented rookie catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia has started taking ground balls at first base as the Braves try to figure out his future with the trading deadline approaching. "We have our franchise catcher [Brian McCann]," GM John Schuerholz said. "So who knows what will happen? We could find another place for Salty to play. Or somebody else could want him and make us an offer where we say to ourselves, 'This is a deal that makes sense for us and for him and for everybody.'"
It's very simple dialectics. One through nine, no maybes, no
supposes, no fractions -- you can't run backwards, you can't go out
of the baseline, how are you going to run the bases, you know, without, like, you know, with fractions -- what
are you going to stop on, one quarter to first, three-eighths from third -- what are you
going to do when you go from here to home plate or something -- that's
dialectic baseball, OK? Dialectic logic is there's only safe and out, you
either reach safely or you're out."
Don't know.
i got the feeling that the grin we all saw after the play was one of anticipation as much as reflection.
i'm sitting on the LF line, so i'll be getting an earful, i'm sure. i'll bring back a full report.
From the Arroyo play, to getting caught cheating on his wife on the front page of the post, to this latest incident.
Can't the dude learn how to cheat the right way?
Arod still isn't my favorite player in the world and it still exasperates me how easily fooled he is, but that interview really endeared me to him.
I can't stop laughing.
"I don't know what my intention was."
"One word, 'Ha!' that's it."
"I didn't hear him either."
I'm beginning to have second thoughts about sloughing him off.
100 "Arod being Manny."
Nice. :)
so, how about dale murray? if i recall my "Bronx Zoo" correctly, he was signed from Toronto because he was a friend of gossage, who they were trying to resign, not because he was worth anything.
i could see george casually walking by the goose's locker after a blown save or during a losing streak and dropping poor dale's head in his lap ...
'course there is another scary analogue in the comparison ... consider these words:
"... I mean, what are they going to say, man, when he's
gone, huh? Because he dies, when it dies, man, when it
dies, he dies. What are they going to say about him? What, are
they going to say, he was a kind man, he was a wise man, he had
plans, he had wisdom? Bullshit, man! ..."
It doesn't seem to bother him, though, which I suppose is part of his charm, the poor man.
He certainly is a character, I'll give him that.
110 Yes, Will, there is that. :)
Now if it was Billy in the temple - which one could imagine - it would have been Reggie's head that got tossed. Or he would have tied George and Reggie's heads together, and tossed both.
I always thought the 90s 'dynasty' Yanks should have voted Winfield a full playoff share every year. Without him, they might not have existed - using the old "fly sneezing in southeast asia" logic.
107 Totally. The funny part is that punters are mostly looked down upon by the football world - and Erstad was a punter! (Punters shouldn't be looked down on, because field position is so important - but that's for Gints Banter.) Its not like the dude played middle linebacker.
I'm trying to recall, Dale Murray, Dale Murray.
First I thought "Murphy," but he was someone else.
Was Dale Murray a shortstop?
Or am I just confusing him with Dale Berra?
God, who was that guy, the name rings such a bell, sort of.
Was he around ca. '81, '82?
Was he the RH counterpart to Righetti?
And is a bad baseball player. But shhh, or Scott Long may write a 2000 word rant about my vendetta against the White Sox.
ill be in that same section! i hope you like pizza!
i'll be the guy in the yankee shirt who cheers really loudly for youkilis, calls for donnie baseball to pinch hit when mientkiewicz comes up to bat, moons manny whenever he decides he's ready to take the field, and is stuffing the all star ballot box. (write in youkilis!)
see you there!
And good for him.
SPLAT!!
(YFiB, that sounds like you better duck when you reach your seat... if you see anchovies wrapped in little bulletproof vests laying around, watch out!) >;)
Texeira!
"No, I would never say that," he dismissed.
What, you don't believe him?
Satan.
And, as I said, good for him.
;)
I don't think he did anything wrong. Embrace what he did. It was clever and it helped the Yankees win the game. There's no reason to make up excuses or be ashamed.
im actually sitting in the non-drinking family section by that ugly ass gulf sign :( so its gonna be a dry night, so maybe i can splurge on the pizza ;)i'll spare you, but ill keep my eyes peeled for the infamous "Section 39 Crew".
Nomas: Tonight's game was an illuminating illustration of Joe Torre's managerial incompetence....use a pitcher who could either strike a batter out to take away the sac fly possibility... Brian Bruney. Although he tends to be a flyball pitcher (.59 G/F on the season), he more than makes up for this disadvantage by his excellent K/9 of 9.00. However, Scott Proctor, recovering from the flu and sporting both a worse G/F ratio (.49) and a significantly worse K/9 (5.47), was inappropriately brought into the game here.
Feinsand: Alex Rios was 0 for 8 against Proctor with three stikeouts and was 2 for 2 against Bruney with two doubles. But don't let a few facts distract you from kicking the manager."
Is it Torre who is incompetent, or NoMass?
Everybody thinks they are a better manager then Torre. Right?
"F*ck You, You F*cking F*ck!"
HEE HEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
I'm not sure why you think that would make me absurd, especially because like you, I'd have had no problem if he did say "mine". In fact, I kind of whish he had whispered to Clark that he spent the night with his wife at a strip club.
It's A-Time A-Rod!
Saw it on YES and on ESPN again this morning.
Secondly, I don't think it's necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison because the Yankees NEEDED a strikeout. The question you had to ask was not who was more likely to get Rios out, but who was more likely to record a strikeout.
Finally, on Sunday, Torre brought in Proctor to face Kendrick, who, sure enough, had been 2-2 against Scottie with two doubles to left. Sure enough, Kendrick laced another double to left. If Torre is playing match-ups based on past history then shouldn't he be consistent? I have a feeling Torre doesn't really look at things like match-ups anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ys9tcj
It certainly looks like "mine" here. He's pursing his lips like you would when saying an "M" word. I also think, career minor leaguer or not, "Ha" is not going to cause any pro baseball player to back off a play.
Either way, I'm glad that he said whatever the hell he said, and I think it got the intended result.
the look i received was priceless.
Giambi, to the DL, torn planter fascia!
i'll have a few before i go in. my dad is coming in from ny.
should be a good match up. should be fun.
Maybe A-Rod's really a communist?
Gotta love the YouTube comments, btw - lot of Yankees fans there I see... ;-)
So I guess Giambi tore it completely. Ouch, I can't imagine the pain he's in - a strain is painful enough. I speak from experience, although my problem was pretty much cured with a few shoe inserts recommended by the podiatrist.
OK, I guess you can:
http://tinyurl.com/2bs53h
137 I'm on the "don't overanalyze when the data you are working with is TOO SMALL OF A SAMPLE SIZE" team.
BP's advanced reliever metrics - which I trust more than two or eight ABs - suggest the guy to use would have been Bruney, who leads the Yanks in WXRL and ARP. And in Inherited Runs Prevented.
Proctor is very low on all those lists.
A-Rod might even say that the play was so funny that after the game he was in the clubhouse "ROFLMAO"... ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iErO9MZclDc
Whoever they bring up simply won't play, torre style. it'll be Damon and Matsui DHing a lot while Melky plays OF, and maybe some Josh Phelps too...
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96cheyward.phtml
Phillips or Thompson seems much more like the organization MO.
But if Shelley can hit like Chris...
Seeing more of Phelps - especially if it leads to less of Mientkiewicz - may be a big bonus.
One hell of a basketball player, though.
173 Johnson has slight advantage in facing pitchers who hit. Roger might be in better shape, though. Should be interesting to watch.
And hell, I think Clemens and Johnson are stubborn enough to hang on long enough to catch Ryan. :)
So my idea that the Yanks tack Damon onto an ARod deal is more plausible than I originally believed.
185 I could easily see Clemens hanging around to try to get 400 Ws too. He's at 348 now. Let's say he wins 12 this year to get to 360 (at 44). That means he needs 10 wins/year for 4 years to get 400. Unless something really gives out, I think he could still pitch at 48.
Watch him be the first guy to pitch at 50 since, gotta be Satchel Paige, right?
But he did make the folks down here in Alabama proud there for a couple of months.
He could also bring a few yo-yo's, I'm sure that would be a big hit in the clubhouse...
What the hell ever happened to Choco-Bliss?
jeez, this thing is getting out of hand.
the sad/funny thing about this is that he'll get beaned, and the yankees will do nothing about it. maybe proctor or bruney takes measures into their own hands, but i doubt it.
http://www.retrojunk.com/details_commercial/1971/
Maybe they have gone the way of this:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/whatsnew/chocobliss.html
"Well, with Bernie yankees never got 13.5GB."
Sheer hilarity aside, isn't that not true?
"It might be a little early for this kind of discussion, but I can say with a bit of certainty that Giambi's career in pinstripes has been a borderline disaster."
The best Joe Morgan impersonation I've ever seen. That's some major league equivocating right there.
It's good for a laugh, I take it?
You know what's funny? It was a step up from the Post, which I delivered before that--higher circulation in my neighborhood.
But man, it was a pain in the ass to assemble on Sundays, so I took to just delivering it in chunks, because the feature sections would show up a couple days early.
Sometimes I'd just blow off delivery for one reason or another (I was a kid, afterall) and just deliver two the next day. This one old guy would school me: "You know what day old newspapers are good for?--Wrapping fish!"
Another woman once told me that she'd been waiting for the activities section or the movies section or something and had to go buy another paper.
I felt pretty guilty about that.
What do you want for child labor, though, eh?
YFiB- yeah, im in section 33- my fiance and i are going- probably going to drink at this quiet place we discovered canesteros on peterosborough st. before the game- you should go.
Especially if you like dumb crocodiles. =)
ugh
on the "bright side", at least any hitting we get is likely to be better than the May Edition Giambi
I'm taking some of you-guys' advice; I'll be blogging about stuff like that soon enough. I'll let you all know when it happens >;)
One of these things is not like the other...
Though I have to say there seems to be a parody poster by the name of Pollyanna on Lohud who is hilarious. I look forward to his/her posts -- the last couple have left me in tears.
His attitude re Arod was equally hard to deal with.
He is fast with news, but he himself has become a source so that any scoop he has is published widely almost immediately.
Couple it with the fact that he's a sawx fan and it's easy to understand why a lot of people have become fed up with him and refuse to give his site any hits
Some of the other posters don't know what to make of him/her and get angry, or ignore the posts because they're long and rambling and crazy, but I think they're brilliant.
Here's the link if you want to wrap your head around all the math far beyond my own capabilities.
http://jeteupthemiddle.blogspot.com/2007/05/odds-of-making-playoffs.html
Actually, this is the only upside of the Giambo injury. Considering throwing, Melky is better then JD in CF. and making JD the full time DH might be the only way to keep him productive enough to stay off the DL.
232 PeteAbe is a Sox fan? Where did you learn this from?
Wonder if they'd sell those T-shirts outisde The Stadium.
Where the hell are you now, Post?!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2kadwl
Yikes! Well, there is nothing I can add to the wrong/right debate that hasn't already been said, but that is a silly article.
Luccino's plan? Seriously? Teammates not supporting him? Some evidence of that please. Umm, isn't there a player by the name of Ramirez in Boston? If the beat writers in NY wanted to treat Manny the way the writers in Boston have treated Arod, they could have filled every paper with his buffoonery for years. I don't think its any secret that he frustrates his own teammates on a regular basis. It's quite simple, they lost for years and now they see an opportunity rarely found in Beantown, and they are jumping all over it. It is best to simply ignore such things, for Boston is Boston, and this too shall pass.
How can anyone keep a job who writes this stuff? It's a no brainer, he works in Boston.
243 Unfortunately, that could very well determine whether they play in October.
Kennedy went 7 IP in Tampa: 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K
Ed Ramirez had 5 K in 3.2 IP (0 BB) - year to date (AA and AAA): 26.1 IP 11 H 1 ER 10 BB 48 K
I can't see how he's not called up soon. Supposedly, he has a Bugs Bunny chengeup.
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