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Gettin' Late Early

2007-05-27 07:18

by Alex Belth

Chien-Ming Wang had a rough first inning. His pitches were up, his control was off and the Angels scored three runs. He was terrific over the next seven innings. The Angels didn't score again, but wouldn't ya know it, they already had more than enough to beat the Yanks, 3-1. Kelvim Escobar, and then the dynamic duo of Shields and Rodriguez were in fine form, the Yankee offense left 758 runners on base, and New York finished the day 11.5 behind Boston, who won again.

The Bombers staged a two-out rally in the ninth but Bobby Abreu struck out looking to end the game. The final pitch was not close to a strike, but the Yankees can't complain about a poor call spoiling the game, although they did anyway. According to Anthony McCarron in the News:

"The sad part about it is that you stand there at home plate and take strike three and it's in the other batter's box," Torre said of home plate umpire Jeff Nelson's call. "We'd like to at least be able to determine our own fate. There's no excuse for it and then (Nelson) has the nerve to argue back at Abreu."

..."I'm not saying (Nelson) cost us the game," Torre said. "The next pitch, he may have popped up. I'm saying I'd like to have that 27th out. That's why the game is what it is. I just don't think it was there for us because he never had a chance to swing at the pitch.

"And I'm not saying we don't swing at pitches over our heads or in the dirt, okay? I'm not one to go harp on umpires, that's part of the game, but this just got me because it was the end of the ballgame with two men on base and at least you want to give your hitter a chance to swing at a pitch."

As frustrating as the ending was--and I came close to throwing and breaking something---the fact of the matter is the Yankees simply did not hit. No excuses, they did not hit. And the Angels did what they do best: beat the Yankees.

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2007-05-27 07:50:15

1. Mattpat11

Mussina vs Lackey. Is there any point?

2007-05-27 07:53:13

2. Alex Belth

Yeah, I'm not currently brimming over with confidence, dammmit.

2007-05-27 08:14:38

3. Simone

I'm going with "any given Sunday" to give me hope that the Yankees can pull out this one win.

2007-05-27 08:16:43

4. Mattpat11

3 Have we fallen so far that we're depending on the losers credo?

I guess we have, but still...

2007-05-27 08:52:08

5. Chyll Will

I'll just read the comments when I come back home. I'm hanging out with Uncle Woodrow today to watch kung-fu and Monty Python, with an occasional shot of Nick and Cartoon Network. My plan is that if I slip into dementia, it will help me deal with the perception that this team is GOY...

2007-05-27 09:18:02

6. williamnyy23

The Yankees are OUT of the race. Now, it is certainly possible that they could get back into it. To do that, however, they need to have a torrid June. In the meantime, it is going to be hard to enjoy many of these upcoming games. Unfortunately, when you are this far behind, winning one game is like a drop in the bucket. Until the water level really starts to rise, the Yankees are pretty much in the same boat as the rest of the league's dregs...at the bottom looking up.

2007-05-27 09:25:15

7. vockins

4 Pretty much. On paper, this game is as good as over. They don't play the games on paper, that's the beauty of baseball, blah, blah, blah, but all I can hope for today is that the Angels went out and got completely wasted last night.

2007-05-27 09:48:53

8. yankz

I feel really bad for Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo, and A-Rod. Jeter and Posada because they're playing out of their skulls and the postseason is all they know. Pettitte, because he deserves it and it would be great to see him in a Game 2. Mo has sucked most of this year, but come on, it's Mo. But most of all for A-rod: The dude has a monster year but can't even make the playoffs? Texas all over again. Guy couldn't buy a break, and he has all the money in the world.

2007-05-27 10:09:22

9. seamus

2 confidence is hard to come by right now. nevertheless, there is no point in not believing that the corner is there to be turned.

i hope we see the good moose today.

2007-05-27 10:13:43

10. Mattpat11

Well, here we go.

2007-05-27 10:14:21

11. Mattpat11

9 The corner was there three weeks ago. We missed the turn.

2007-05-27 10:15:24

12. seamus

11 stop with the fatalism. noone knows where the corner is (or if there is one) until the end of the year.

2007-05-27 10:17:55

13. Yankees Brasil

Struck out the side..

2007-05-27 10:18:02

14. seamus

that is the moose i like!

2007-05-27 10:19:03

15. seamus

was that last pitch a strike? I felt that the first batter helped him by swinging at a ball. When Moose is effective he gets batters to swing at those by setting them up. Hopefully he maintains his balance and control.

2007-05-27 10:19:55

16. yankz

Moose K's the side! Hope?

2007-05-27 10:21:05

17. Mattpat11

{12] Blind optimism is much more fun, I presume.

2007-05-27 10:21:58

18. Mattpat11

15 Chest high right up the middle

2007-05-27 10:22:22

19. JL25and3

Melky batting leadoff - now there's a way to recharge an offense.

When there's a fast guy batting ninth, they say it's like having a second leadoff hitter. With Melky at leadoff, it's like having a second ninth hitter.

2007-05-27 10:23:53

20. Mattpat11

19 We have about 4 ninth hitters on the team.

2007-05-27 10:24:00

21. seamus

18 thanks.

2007-05-27 10:26:38

22. manila boy

17 "Blind optimism is much more fun, I presume."

Just as much fun as blind pessimism.

2007-05-27 10:28:41

23. Mattpat11

22 We're five games under and 11 games back on May 27. Our first baseman, second baseman, and right fielder are various degrees of useless. What is blind about that?

2007-05-27 10:29:30

24. yankz

Moose on fire.

2007-05-27 10:31:09

25. Mattpat11

The Yankees are bitching to the commissioner?

What the hell do they expect him to do?

Bud is useless on things he has control over. He can't do anything here.

2007-05-27 10:32:03

26. seamus

moose is losing it. they hit that ball.

2007-05-27 10:32:51

27. yankz

Cano has been the Yanks' 2nd best hitter lately, after Arod, in terms of OPS. Check River Ave Blues.

2007-05-27 10:33:53

28. seamus

23 we can agree to disagree on this point and shut up?

2007-05-27 10:34:23

29. claybeez

23 Everyone knows you're views. You don't need to overtake the thread with your redundancy. Say it and allow others to express their optimism if they feel like it. Stop hijacking the game threads. I'm sick of it. There's really no need for you to respond to every post that voices some optimism. It's not your job.

The Yanks do have a number of issues. You're not the only one aware of that. Why not respect that not everyone who sees it feels the need to express their concerns as repeated pessimism.

2007-05-27 10:34:38

30. Mattpat11

28 You're right. The Yankees are playing well. I'm making it up.

Whatever. I'm gonna go read.

2007-05-27 10:35:16

31. claybeez

29 *your

2007-05-27 10:35:43

32. JeremyM

Nothing would make me happier today than see Moose throw a good game. Well, that and some runs to go with it!

2007-05-27 10:36:53

33. Yankees Brasil

Good job Nieves!

2007-05-27 10:37:45

34. claybeez

Moose is looking good so far. Maybe his issues have had to do with building arm strength. Time will tell, but I sure hope so.

2007-05-27 10:38:01

35. JL25and3

30 Come on, Mattpat, that's not what they're saying, and that's unnecessary.

2007-05-27 10:38:04

36. seamus

good to see posada throw someone out. He hasn't been effective at that this year. or it doesn't seem that way, anyhow.

2007-05-27 10:38:25

37. seamus

36 oops. forgot nieves was behind the plate!

2007-05-27 10:39:02

38. RIYank

Hey folks!

Well, this is as good a day as any to begin winning, huh? Moose looks really good -- you can tell he's got intensity, taking this game seriously. Money game.

Can we hit today, though? With Melky and Nieves? Might need a long ball or two...

2007-05-27 10:39:09

39. Yankees Brasil

37 Still good to see him throw someone out!

2007-05-27 10:39:41

40. seamus

38 i found longball on the menu. I'm ordering it. Hopefully the kitchen isn't out of spinach.

2007-05-27 10:39:57

41. RIYank

Robbie rapped it. Bad result, but not a bad sign.

Today's not the day for signage, though. Win any way possible.

2007-05-27 10:40:06

42. seamus

39 agreed. one less pitch for moose to throw, if nothing else.

2007-05-27 10:40:33

43. RIYank

40 Excellent, good choice.
(Let's hope the chef doesn't substitute Pasta Divingjeter.)

2007-05-27 10:40:37

44. yankz

Cano's definitely coming around.

2007-05-27 10:41:07

45. seamus

41 that kind of hurt. that "sign, sign, everywhere a sign" song popped into my head right after reading that. I hope I can get that out and soon!

2007-05-27 10:41:45

46. seamus

43 haha! does that have anchovies on it? yuk!

2007-05-27 10:41:56

47. JeremyM

Nieves is 4 for 8 against the stolen base this year, although one of those was a guy oversliding the bag if I remember right. Still, not bad.

2007-05-27 10:41:57

48. RIYank

Three base runners without a hit. Must... cash... in...

2007-05-27 10:43:17

49. yankz

You cannot bat Mink, Nieves, and Cabrera back-to-back-to-back. This is why Phelps is on the team.

2007-05-27 10:43:27

50. RIYank

Man, our 8, 9, 1 line-up sequence is brutal today.

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2007-05-27 10:43:42

51. Yankees Brasil

Its time for Nieves 1st HR..

2007-05-27 10:43:45

52. RIYank

49 50 Exactly.

2007-05-27 10:44:30

53. JeremyM

49 I agree.

2007-05-27 10:45:31

54. seamus

49 50 gotta agree. our bench isn't the strongest. though, cabrera has showed signs (earlier post about this not being a day for signs aside) of breaking out.

2007-05-27 10:46:52

55. RIYank

I had perfect confidence in Wil.

2007-05-27 10:47:23

56. nyyfan22

Fuck yeah.

2007-05-27 10:47:28

57. claybeez

Way to go, Wil!

2007-05-27 10:47:39

58. yankz

Yeah!

Who else thought "Just stay at 1st, Wil, even if it rolls to the wall!!!"

2007-05-27 10:47:42

59. RIYank

Wow, standing O. And I don't think it's sarcastic! (Maybe it's because he didn't try to stretch it to a double!)

I gotta go, banterers. I gave you the lead, now win this thing!

2007-05-27 10:47:50

60. seamus

unreal! nieves gets the rbi single and doesn't make out running to second! unreal!

(i overuse the !. sorry)

2007-05-27 10:47:51

61. Yankees Brasil

Good job Nieves!

2007-05-27 10:48:27

62. yankz

Good to see some smiles in the clubhouse.

2007-05-27 10:48:43

63. RIYank

Like I was saying, our 9 and 1 holes are really strong today.

But now I do have to go, dammit.

2007-05-27 10:48:48

64. claybeez

Yeah, Melky!

2007-05-27 10:49:15

65. yankz

OK, Captain Clutch, RISP 2 outs. You know what to do.

2007-05-27 10:49:38

66. seamus

our criticizing the 8-9-1 hitters was some sort of reverse curse?

2007-05-27 10:49:47

67. bartap74

This is actually the first time all season that Nieves has run the bases. It' nearly June - amazing. That one hit aside, I really think it's time Cashman addressed the BUC situation. Nieves is being out-hit by most of the NL pitchers.

2007-05-27 10:50:50

68. seamus

67 but he is on a roll! /sarcasm

honestly, I agree that we could use a beter BUC. But I don't thnk it is anything close to being our problem.

2007-05-27 10:51:15

69. yankz

67 I believe he's reached on HBP, FC, etc.

2007-05-27 10:51:51

70. JeremyM

67 Actually, he reached on a fielder's choice or error once:) He did run them on his first single, of course, but not for long.

2007-05-27 10:52:35

71. nyyfan22

Did you all catch Pete Abe's article on Giambi? Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/3cer55

2007-05-27 10:57:27

72. Max Nomad

Anyone have the video links to Torre cussing out the umps?

2007-05-27 10:58:25

73. JeremyM

71 Pete better be careful, Hancock's dad will probably sue him for slander after that little blurb in the article.

2007-05-27 11:08:29

74. seamus

as good as he has looked, moose os at 55 pitches. I hope can be a bit more efficient and remain effective.

2007-05-27 11:11:13

75. Mattpat11

35 I want nothing more than for the Yankees to play well and win it all. I have very little life, and they take up a huge part of it.

But at the same time, the Yankees are in really, really bad shape right now. They have very little chance of having a successful season this year. For that to happen, not only is everything going to have to break our way healthwise this year, but the Yankees are going to have to start playing ridiculous baseball RIGHT NOW. (Frankly, we had to do it three weeks ago)

Trudging along at this pace isn't going to cut it. Sitting patiently and waiting for the Pirates to come into town is not going to cut it. We have 11 games coming up counting today against LAA, TOR, Boston and Chicago. We have to win nine. Not eight. not seven. Not four. We have to, at some point this year, sweep Boston.

But even if they do that, the Yankees have sucked to the point where their season is no longer in their hands. If Boston even plays at a normal pace for a first place team, we will never catch them. The Yankees have to pull their heads out of their asses AND pray Boston falls apart.

People here find that negative. Apparently this blog is for saying "Come on Johnny, get a hit!" and "I'm sure this will be the day the Yankees get going (I mean it this time!)
No one wants me here. I'm not going to pretend the season is in any kind of good shape or that we're a win away from making it one. No one wants me here and I don't see any reason to stay.

2007-05-27 11:11:15

76. Yankees Brasil

Good inning for moose.. 8 pitches..

2007-05-27 11:13:18

77. seamus

moose had an efficient inning. he really needed that. he finished the inning with 60 pitches which is great.

2007-05-27 11:13:54

78. seamus

76 yeah, i see that 77 is redundan of 76.

Nice hit Cano!

2007-05-27 11:15:22

79. seamus

abreu has been swinging a bit better. he still has a bit to go. and i agree that we need him to break out and stop just showing signs of breaking out.

2007-05-27 11:17:03

80. Yankees Brasil

79 Agreed.

2007-05-27 11:18:18

81. seamus

lol! Minky completely reverses the bad call jinx.

2007-05-27 11:18:47

82. Yankees Brasil

Comon Nieves!!

2007-05-27 11:19:19

83. JeremyM

Dude, Nieves is freaking me out here!

2007-05-27 11:19:52

84. seamus

Minky's fake out reminded me of the whole flop thing in basketball. someone mentioned that the NBA should make it a foul to fake a flop. While that would lead to a lot of controversial calls it would help with the bs you see.

holy stinking hot Nieves!

2007-05-27 11:20:46

85. Yankees Brasil

Somebody's been practicing lately..

2007-05-27 11:22:01

86. JeremyM

84 If the NBA would change the charge rule, the flop would go away. Your feet should have to at least be planted for a second before it's a charge. Yesterday, Ginobli (who is a flopper himself) was charged with an offensive foul and the guys feet were still moving when he was hit. It's ridiculous.

2007-05-27 11:22:15

87. seamus

damn that sucked. now we have the junky part of the order starting next inning.

2007-05-27 11:22:36

88. Max Nomad

84 (see football, European)

Still no one who has the YouTube link to Torre's f-bomb display from back in the day? I saw it here on the Banter, but can't find it on the search...

2007-05-27 11:24:02

89. seamus

86 that would help in certain instances, but you also see a lot of flops when fighting for boards and loose balls. The whole flop thing (as well as the leniency on travels) is annoying to watch. WHile we're at it, maybe make it a technical to foul the other team on two consecutive offensives possessions in less than 5 seconds each in the last two minutes of the game.

2007-05-27 11:24:40

90. seamus

88 i remember watching it but i bet if you check the thread around the time he was suspended it was around then.

2007-05-27 11:26:26

91. seamus

ok. sorry to hijack into nba talk. moose had two tough hits there. at least the one didn't break one o fhis bones.

2007-05-27 11:26:39

92. Yankees Brasil

Oh god..here they come..

2007-05-27 11:27:45

93. seamus

nice DP! moose has only thrown 5 pitches and given up two hits and a DP. one more moose. one more.

2007-05-27 11:30:48

94. Yankees Brasil

Damnit

2007-05-27 11:32:00

95. seamus

uh oh. moose is getting hit solid now.

2007-05-27 11:32:07

96. yankz

Man, it's the 5th inning.

2007-05-27 11:35:03

97. OldYanksFan

Just got in. Things looking pretty good so far.
29 Thank you for speaking up. 'Highjacking' was a very appropriate word.
Oops... shit. Halo's get one.
75 The problem is not that you are negative. The rub is you are repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive,
repetitive,
repetitive,
repetitive,
repetitive,
repetitive,
and unbelieveable repetative.
We heard you.
Enough old news until tomorrow. OK?

2007-05-27 11:35:19

98. nyyfan22

75 Matt - I don't think anyone here doesn't want you here.

Personally, I like to follow along with the banter while watching (or listening) to the Yanks for 2 reasons... to heighten my knowledge of what's going on, and to have some fun in addition to watching.

Baseball is not life or death. We're all fans and therefore we're not happy concerning the Yanks and their performance in 07 thus far. And yes, even though I tend to look on the bright side, I still open the paper and see the standings everyday and think 'fuuuuuuuck'. But the Yanks are still my team. I'm not gonna run off to a winning team just cause the Yanks probably won't win the division.

Sometimes it's better to acknowledge the problems that have occurred, then move on. Yeah, in life we have to fix our mistakes of get ready for em again... but I know personally there's nothing I can do to make this team any better. The performance of the team is out of my hands. So what's a fan to do? Either focus on the good things looking forward, and accept the lot they're in.. or point out all the bad shite that's happened (and continues to happen) and get more upset. I choose the former.

I'm guessing that that's the vibe you're feeling here.

2007-05-27 11:35:55

99. seamus

crucial K. Moose looks good overall. I was starting to worry that as someone noted early, maybe Moose's issues stem with arm strength, having missed a chunk of time at a critical moment early in the season.

2007-05-27 11:36:24

100. Yankees Brasil

Good job Moose!

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