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2007-04-24 12:09
by Cliff Corcoran

The Yankees have the fourth-worst starters' ERA in baseball (only the Rangers, Mariners and these Devil Rays have been worse, which gives you some idea how rough those teams have had it thus far). The Yankee starters are averaging just 4.87 innings per game, and opponents are smacking them around at a .301 clip. After 18 games, the Yankee have received just five quality starts, three of them from Andy Pettitte, one from the indefinitely disabled Carl Pavano, and the last from Kei Igawa, who was quite a bit short of quality last night.

There's nothing this team needs more right now than a high-quality starting pitcher. Maybe something in a 19-game winner and Cy Young runner-up, ideally with a high pitch efficiency, possibly a pitch-to-contact groundballer of some type. Got anything like that? You do? Do you think he'd be available to pitch in Tampa tonight? You say he's already there? Sweet! Just wait until the guys hear about this, they'll be stoked!

Additional reason to be stoked (no, it has nothing to do with Brian Stokes . . . yet): The Devil Rays have placed Akinori Iwamura on the DL with an oblique strain and recalled Jorge Cantu, who failed to make the team out of camp and is hitting just .267/.317/.360 in triple-A. I don't know how Joe Maddon plans to alter his lineup, but moving Ty Wigginton to third base, putting Carlos Peña at first, and moving B. J. Upton up in the order would make the most sense to me. Whatever he does, this is good news for the Yankees, as Iwamura has reached base nine times in 14 trips against the Yanks, scoring seven times. It's a bummer for baseball fans in general, however, as Iwamura's been one of the better stories of the young season.

I doubt the Yankees are shedding any tears. They're too busy being stoked.

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2007-04-24 13:36:28
1.   Simone
Welcome back, Wang. He has been missed. Let us hope that he pitches a complete game shut out or something close.

I hope Alex hasn't ruined his marrymoon by watching the highlights of these dreadful games.

2007-04-24 13:42:50
2.   Shaun P
Any word on the lineup - is Phelps playing, or is Mientkiewicz?
2007-04-24 13:46:07
3.   Cliff Corcoran
2 Good question. With the lefty on the mound for the Rays, you'd hope for Phelps, but with Wang on the mound for the Yanks you can't really argue with Minky. Now if only Torre would limit Minky's starts to Wang's games, then we'd have something here.
2007-04-24 13:48:18
4.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I dunno. I'm hoping for the best, but I see some rust for the Wanger.

Didn't he have only the one start in the minors, and wasn't his gb/fb ration something like a very un-Wangish 1:1?

2007-04-24 13:58:07
5.   Jim Dean
3 I can argue with Mfhdijghsfd - his RATE2 so far is 84, whereas Phelps is 81. Before you shout "Small sample size!", consider that 84 is very far below average, not above, no matter how you cut it.

Oh, and Mfhfdjxk has been a below average 1B for at least the last three years. Combine that with his woeful inability to get on base, and the choice should be clear from this point forward.

Unfortunately, it's going to take another three weeks of full-time play. The another few of occasional starts and LIDRs.

2007-04-24 14:03:03
6.   Cliff Corcoran
5 Other advanced defensive stats tell a different story on Minky. Dave Pinto's Probalistic Model of Range has figures that match Minky's rep. I'm not saying Rate or Pinto is the right. I'm just saying there's a discrepency there and I'm not comfortable saying either is definitive.

From what I've seen thus far watching every game, he gets to a few balls Phelps doesn't and makes a few scoops Phelps won't, and is vastly superior to Phelps on making plays that require him to act as an infielder (charging balls, diving, making throws, etc.). I think Phelps should start behind everyone else, but Minky just might have value behind Wang.

2007-04-24 14:12:19
7.   Shaun P
5 I like RATE2 as a defensive stat, but I'd also like to see what a play-by-play system says. Unfortunately, I don't think David Pinto or John Dewan update their systems in-season.

I can see the argument for playing Minky, and I might even agree with it.

That said - and this is a very small sample - Wang has pitched 27.7 innings at the Trop, 29 hits allowed, 1 HR, 4 BB, 12 K, 3.90 ERA, 1.19 WHIP. 7 IP with Sheff at 1B, 8.3 IP with Phillips, 6.3 IP with Giambi, and 6 IP with Tino. Maybe it doesn't matter who plays first.

Only because Wang tends to give up more runs on the road, I'd play Phelps and hope for the best.

2007-04-24 14:12:53
8.   Jim Dean
6 Fair enough, but Pinto is 2006 only, right? And if Mfsdkjfg has degraded even a bit then even that advatage would seem to go away?

So far Phleps has been twice the hitter. And if he's not half the fielder (which at 1B seems impossible), then I see no reason for Mfhsdfjg on the team.

Look at is this way, all those fews you've seen so far (hits, scoops, bunts, throws) do they add up to ten to 12 total bases?

2007-04-24 14:14:35
9.   Dimelo
Can't we just give Minky Phelps' jersey and have Mdlaidfdklaiaz play the field and Phelps bat? Is that illegal?

Anyhow, just wanted to let you know that I'm STOKED!!!

I never wanted to see a Taiwanese Wang so badly. I lust for that Wang. I'm hoping that Wang can go deep into the game today. I want our Wang to go deeper than a Ron Jeremy anal scene.

I am stoked and I'm ready for the Wang. Give it to me!!!

2007-04-24 14:15:30
10.   Shaun P
Hey - very off topic - but why is Phil Hughes's debut NOT on YES?

Even worse news - I just checked Extra Innings's schedule, and its not on there either!!!!!

Is MLB.TV still running their free promo?

2007-04-24 14:15:50
11.   Jim Dean
9 Wow. Is it 4:20 yet?
2007-04-24 14:16:26
12.   Jim Dean
10 Cliff says WWOR in the sidebar.
2007-04-24 14:18:44
13.   Dimelo
11 Unfortunately I'm still working. After my conf call ends at 6:30, then it'll be "4:20" for me. I'm a little behind, but I'm sure you understand. We'll have a bowl when the Wang throws his first pitch, after today....it's going to be all-good in Yankee land.

I really, really hope I'm right.

2007-04-24 14:19:29
14.   Dimelo
10 Yeah they mentioned My9 yesterday on YES for Thursday's game.
2007-04-24 14:20:14
15.   Bama Yankee
6 Good analysis, Cliff. I know it is just anecdotal evidence, but it seems like Minky has made some very nice plays at first so far (the announcers usually say something like, "that's why they got him, for his defense"). He also hasn't seemed to be bothered by his surgically repaired back (although he did move rather gingerly after he took a spill on the A-Rod high throw last night).
2007-04-24 14:21:31
16.   Jim Dean
13 Dude - you're hilarious. You might need to get laid too...
2007-04-24 14:24:38
17.   Dimelo
16 I'd give up a few nights/weeks of pleasure for a bunch of Yankee wins and our starters going deep into games.

I won't, however, give up on my girl on Mary Jane - at that point the Yankees better figure it out.

2007-04-24 14:27:05
18.   Dimelo
16 BTW, everything was going so well on 4/20 up till the 8th inning. I don't know if it was all the haze, but it felt like I was watching my own abortion during the bottom of the 8th against Boston.

Not a good night at all.

2007-04-24 14:31:15
19.   AbbyNormal821
9 Oh my Lord! HAHA!!! Overshare there, Dimelo!!!
2007-04-24 14:34:52
20.   jayd
Never mind the runner-up, we need Johan My Johan...but with the twinkies currently tied for first I guess that won't be happening. What happened to the disastrous slow start, my mired in last place twinkies looking to dump salary? What's a poor downtrodden Yankee fan left to hope for?

Thank God I spent the weekend on an air mattress waiting for furniture to arrive and had no tv hookup. Went to a sports bar for Friday night, but the knuckleheads were so festive -- one could feel hopes rising in the nation. Isn't it like this every year? Why are these people never CLUED IN?

I like the Minky-Wang connection. So I concede 30 starts, about as many as I would like to see Will Nieves, come to think of it. We need to get together and fax Joe the moves we actually approve of.

Looked up Dave Pinto's Probalistic Model of Range for Phelpsie as Catcher yet? I've always felt we would have a season where Jorge goes down for a while and we would REALLY REALLY find out who this team's MVP is. God I hope it's not this year.

The great teams deal with adversity. This is a great team. My final word.

2007-04-24 14:36:05
21.   Vandelay Industries
Is anyone else worried about JD? If it hurts him to stand up, wouldn't it be better to take 15 days off, than to take every other day off for the foreseeable future?

Is this another dumb ass case of keeping a silly meaningless steak alive, or can this fix itself? With Matsui back, isn't this the perfect time to DL the oft-tweaked Center Fielder?

2007-04-24 14:38:09
22.   seamus
21 it depends on what the problem is. Back pain can be a lot of things.
2007-04-24 14:41:47
23.   Vandelay Industries
ESPN is off again. They were just spouting off about "Why does Roger Clemens have to follow Andy Pettitte around?" "He followed him to Houston." Wasn't it the other way around? I'm pretty sure Andy followed Roger to Houston.

Either way, I thought Clemens would be great but not neccessary. However, it is becoming clear that Igawa is not ready from prime time, and should probably be pitching in Tokyo, not Gotham. I am back on the Roger Clemens band wagon. If only because he and Andy would feed off of each other.

2007-04-24 14:46:23
24.   Vandelay Industries
22

He said he is overcompensating for the calf injury, and that is causing strain on his back. Isn't that a pretty clear sign that he should sit until the calf is 100% and the weather is a tad better 15 days from now? I guess I just dont see the point of sending JD out there at 50% just so he can keep his non-DL streak alive, a streak that will have no meaning to actual educated fans who are fully aware that he should have been DL'd numerous times while playing for other squads, not only the Yankees. Gritty tough players play through injuries and get better (E.G. Cal Ripken), they dont take every other day off when they should be on the DL. Its easy for any player to tell the press they want to play when they know ahead of time that the manager isn't going to play them.

2007-04-24 14:50:19
25.   tommyl
23 You are incorrect. Andy signed with Houston while Clemens was "retired" and then Clemens signed. Its possible that if the Yankees had kept Andy, Clemens might have stayed retired, at least for that one year. Who knows though?
2007-04-24 14:50:45
26.   seamus
24 ok, i missed the part of the calf. gritty and tough may have something to do with playing through injuries, but I don't know what it has to do with getting better. That is more an aspect of what type of injury it is, how your body is built/recovers, etc.. Part of what made Ripken what he was was luck.
2007-04-24 14:53:31
27.   Vandelay Industries
20

Agreed concerning Jorge. He may not be the team MVP, but he is certainly more important day to day than most any player we've had. I hate to think how this team would have performed had we had an average reciever and dead spot in the lineup like most teams. If he played for another team, he would get the props he has always deserved. Its not sexy to write about Jorge when you have Jete, Arod, Boggs, Clemens, Cone, etc.

2007-04-24 14:59:52
28.   Vandelay Industries
26

To be fair, Ripken had a Clemens-like legendary off season routine, years before many players gave up golf and beer in the off-season, for training. I agree about the type of injury determining the need for a DL stint. I guess my argument would be that if you can play on again off again with the same injury, and it isn't getting better, that is the type of injury that likely needs a period of time to heal. I appreciate that he wants to help the team, but I'd rather he be healthy for 100 games if possible, than 50% for 50 games, and out for another 30 or 40 games. It just seems to make sense that when you have a lineup that can absorb a DL stint, that you should take advantage of it and get better. Make use of the Yankees' depth and heal.

2007-04-24 15:04:42
29.   seamus
28 I would generally agree that an injury that continues to nag like that, and where rest will do some good, a DL stint makes sense. I think pride gets in the way.
2007-04-24 15:10:31
30.   Vandelay Industries
29

Agreed. Isn't Torre supposed to take the blame for the hurt pride and do what is best for the team? In this case, to DL Damon. Posada has never been on the DL either, but I dont remember him going through a period of months where he was playing 3 out of every 6 games, while playing at 50% and not helping the team, the way JD is now. The reality is that Melky is a serious upgrade in Center defensively, and we are scoring runs without JD. I think its better to do it now rather than later when we might have other offensive guys who are out. I guess it just makes sense to me from a management perspective.

2007-04-24 15:15:14
31.   Zack
I am excited to have the Wanger back, but his Tampa #'s do keep me in check, considering that their lineup is just the type to give him trouble: lots of speed means more pressure on the D to convert those grounders. But lets hope that its all moot and we can get some of those patented 6 pitch, 3 ground out innings tonight!
2007-04-24 15:15:52
32.   seamus
30 damon is playing tonight. as is Phelps! Offensively, we have quite the lineup for Wang tonight..
2007-04-24 15:16:48
33.   BklynBmr
It's Phelps tonight, according to LoHud...
2007-04-24 15:16:52
34.   seamus
"Alex Rodriguez, in a fairly long pre-game interview, said he would stay in New York." - Peter Abrham (Lohud blog)

I wonder if he said that he won't opt out. That is like music to these ears....

2007-04-24 15:20:51
35.   Vandelay Industries
32

Do we have another catcher in the minors who could do as "well" as Nieves? I would seriously give the idea of starting Phelps behind the dish on Jorge's days off a thought if I were Brian Cashman. I've said this before, but Nieves cannot throw runners out, cannot hit, and isn't any better than average at blocking the plate. What is the benefit to having him on the squad, if not defense, which he doesn't have either?

2007-04-24 15:21:07
36.   LI yankee
34 I just read that as well. Can't wait to hear the audio and hear what he said exactly.
2007-04-24 15:22:31
37.   Vandelay Industries
36

He didnt say "I've always admired Willy Randolph," did he? Just kidding.

2007-04-24 15:25:11
38.   sam2175
34 As much as I like A-Rod, I won't be sweating over what he says today, neither would I hold him to these statements when he is at an obvious high. We will find out at the end of the season what he really wants to do.

The problem is, NY media will. He might have made a tactical mistake saying that.

2007-04-24 15:26:21
39.   Vandelay Industries
38

Seriously? No way. Arod may have let something silly come out of his mouth, you don't say.

2007-04-24 15:26:45
40.   seamus
35 I'm not as down on Nieves as you are, but I also think we might be better off using Phelps as a platoon 1B and backup catcher. I really like that notion as it frees up a roster spot for another player with hitting ability and speed. Or another reliever.
2007-04-24 15:33:13
41.   thelarmis
32 yes indeed, a great lineup tonite! and wang's return! and no iwamura. here's the order:

YANKEES
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Phelps 1B
Wang RHP

2007-04-24 15:34:30
42.   thelarmis
not sure if it was mentioned on another thread from today (sorry if i'm repeating...), but according to pete abe, hughes wanted his spring training number 65. he was offered #19. KT was sent down, Melk was never even discussed...

GO YANKS!!!

2007-04-24 15:38:30
43.   seamus
pete abe just confirmed that arod said he is staying (without hesitation or qualification). I realize as noted above that he could change his mind, but i'm going to go ahead and just be happy!
2007-04-24 15:47:02
44.   JimCobain
ARod said, "I want to stay in New York." I want to win the lotto, but it probably won't happen... you know?
2007-04-24 15:49:00
45.   rockymtnyankee
C-mon, CMW....Kill some worms tonight!
2007-04-24 15:49:01
46.   seamus
44 oh, that isn't new. he said that in spring training.
2007-04-24 15:54:10
47.   JimCobain
46 There is no point in asking him, not that A-Rod is a bad guy, in fact he might truly want to stay. But you never know what will happen when Boras whispers in his ear, "hey Alex you want $175 million from the Cubs?" I can't begrudge someone for taking more than $80 million in guranteed money. What Alex has to ask himself is, what will his legacy be? The best player of his generation. Or the best player of his generation who always jumped at the money first and everything else second. If it were me, I would take the $250 million I signed for and just be considered "the best player of my generation" without any caveats.
2007-04-24 15:57:16
48.   seamus
47 well, i was surprised he did say anything concrete, but he didn't really. It just isn't in his own best interests.
2007-04-24 15:57:29
49.   vockins
What the hell happened to the Angels bullpen? Straight to hell in a handbasket.

I would appreciate a Yanks bashing BBRod game.

2007-04-24 15:58:10
50.   Vandelay Industries
46

Exactly. Look, Manny is the only player (maybe Sheffield) moronic enough, and Boston fans the only fans dumb enough, to accept a player who says two years in advance that he isn't coming back.

If a Yankee player said "I am gone after this year, no matter what," like Manny did (2 years), he would get booed even if he hit 50 HR in April, and rightfully so. I give Arod credit for not stirring the pot during the season. Manny on the other hand should be swallowed by the Green Monster and never heard from again, he's bad for baseball.

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2007-04-24 16:00:21
51.   Vandelay Industries
49

They're not cheating anymore. I would guess Donnelly preceeded an internal MLB investigation and the team got a talking to. Mike S. knows how to cheat, he taught Dodger pitchers well. Then again, it could be a conspiracy theory.

2007-04-24 16:11:40
52.   Shaun P
41 I'll be darned, Phelps is playing. Let's see if it happens again tomorrow.
2007-04-24 16:12:52
53.   Simone
Baseball gods, please let Derek be okay.
2007-04-24 16:13:11
54.   seamus
you tampa fracker
2007-04-24 16:15:09
55.   seamus
ok. the tampa announcer now thinks jeter may have been acting. fracker.
2007-04-24 16:16:08
56.   Simone
Time to start hitting the other teams. Too much pitching inside and hitting the Yankees' hitters.
2007-04-24 16:16:53
57.   LI yankee
56 None of our pitchers do that though.

Unless we get the Rocket...

2007-04-24 16:19:08
58.   Simone
Notice how Kazmir is trying to pitch away from Alex.
2007-04-24 16:19:46
59.   seamus
he completely avoided arod.
2007-04-24 16:20:36
60.   rockymtnyankee
Are we going to have to listen to those !@#$%^&*()_+ cowbells again tonight?
2007-04-24 16:22:26
61.   rockymtnyankee
None of the Yanks' swings looked good in the 1st.
2007-04-24 16:22:48
62.   tommyl
I have to say, Girardi is a phenomenal announcer. Really great insight on all the little nuances of the game, well backed up. I really enjoy listening to him.
2007-04-24 16:24:32
63.   JimCobain
Well I hope Derek is just down for today...
2007-04-24 16:24:56
64.   rockymtnyankee
{62} And a good manager, too......Past and Future.
2007-04-24 16:25:21
65.   seamus
crap. we get matsui back and lose jeter? WTF?
2007-04-24 16:26:20
66.   seamus
good start by wang. 1 up, 3 strikes, 0 balls, 1 ground out.
2007-04-24 16:26:22
67.   Zack
Well, a grounder is a good sign! Ugh, Cairo in, please don't be hurt DJ!
2007-04-24 16:26:43
68.   JimCobain
It is so nice to see the Wanger back out there.
2007-04-24 16:26:49