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If the right-handed first-baseman battle is unique among the Yankees' three spring-training position battles because it's the only one that features a head-to-head competition, the battle for fifth starter is unique because it's the only one that has a clear favorite entering camp. Well, maybe "favorite" isn't the right term to use. This is Crash Pavano we're talking about, after all.
The top four spots in the Yankee rotation are set with Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte, and Kei Igaway. If Mr. Glass is able to pitch with any level of effectiveness during spring training and manages to make it to Opening Day without slamming his finger in a door or cutting himself shaving, he'll be the fifth starter. Not that the odds are very good of that happening, or that there's much chance of him finishing the season with that job. If Pavano pitches well through April and May it's almost a lock that he'll be traded in June. The only variable there is the health of the rest of the rotation.
So while the fifth starter job is Pavano's to lose, the competition in spring training will be no less compelling as a result. Here's a quick look at the combatants:
| mL career | 2006 | ||||||||||||
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| Name | DOB | IP | ERA | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | Level | IP | ERA | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP |
| Philip Hughes | 6/24/86 | 237 1/3 | 2.13 | 10.21 | 2.05 | 0.23 | AA | 116 | 2.25 | 10.71 | 2.48 | 0.39 | .266 |
| Jeff Karstens | 9/24/82 | 522 2/3 | 3.67 | 7.43 | 2.29 | 0.72 | MLB | 42 2/3 | 3.80 | 3.37 | 2.32 | 1.27 | .238 |
| Darrell Rasner | 1/13/81 | 520 | 3.44 | 6.87 | 2.39 | 0.52 | MLB | 20 1/3 | 4.43 | 4.87 | 2.21 | 0.89 | .254 |
| Humberto Sanchez | 5/28/83 | 454 | 4.16 | 8.84 | 4.56 | 0.56 | AAA | 51 1/3 | 3.86 | 7.54 | 3.51 | 0.35 | .327 |
The above chart does not include Tyler Clippard or the two starters obtained in the Randy Johnson trade, Russ Ohlendorf and Steven Jackson, because none of those three have thrown a single pitch above double-A. Of course, the same is true of Philip Hughes, who is far and away the best pitcher listed above. But then there are limits on Hughes' participation here as well.
Soreness in his pitching shoulder limited Hughes to 86 1/3 innings in his first full professional season in 2005. Last year, the Yankees cautiously held the 20-year-old to 146 innings. This year his innings cap will be 180. If Hughes were to make the Yankees out of camp, the Yankees would have to keep Hughes on short leash in order to keep him from exceeding that total over the course of a full season. Last year Chien-Ming Wang and Randy Johnson lead the Yankees with 33 regular season starts. Spread across 33 games, 180 innings averages out to just 5.45 innings per game, and that doesn't include potential postseason starts, which would consume the innings the Yankees might be able to save by skipping Hughes' turn on the few occasions when scheduled off-days allow them to do so.
The Yankees are to be commended for their careful handling of Hughes. They're doing all the right things regarding his workloads, and their impulse to have him start this season at triple-A is also a good one. True, Hughes could likely pitch effectively in the major leagues without a stint in triple-A, but there's no harm in easing him into things. Starting him out in Scranton is an excellent way for them to insure that he won't be extended beyond those 180 innings. Another is to using him sparingly out of the major league pen in the early months of the season as the Twins did with Francisco Liriano last year.
Let's crunch some numbers here using 2006 AL innings-pitched and ERA leader Johan Santana and complete games leader C.C. Sabathia as examples of the best and most durable American League pitchers. Both Santana and Sabathia averaged about 6.88 innings pitched per start last year. Assuming , then, that Hughes will average no more than 6 2/3 innings per major league start, he could make 27 starts for the Yankees in 2007 before exceeding his limit. Of course, when you factor in a full postseason run, the Yankees could require close to 40 starts from their best pitchers, which leaves Hughes inactive for significant chunks of the season. There are three possible alternatives to simply letting Hughes pitch until he hits 180 innings and thus facing the heat of the pennant race and postseason without him.
If the Yankees let Hughes pitch on a strict innings limit in triple-A for the first couple of months of the season, then promote him in June they might only get 19 major league starts out of him between the regular and postseasons, but they'll keep him active throughout the season. If the Yankees skip the fifth spot in the rotation every time the schedule allows them to in April and May, they'll first need a fifth starter in June on the fifth of the month. To put Hughes on schedule for that start, the Yankees could make him the fifth man in the Scranton rotation. That would give him 11 starts in triple-A before his major league debut on June 5. If they then skip Hughes' turn in the major league rotation whenever the scheduled off-days allow them to do so over the remainder of the season, Hughes would make 16 major league starts during the 2007 regular season. If they limit him to five innings in each of his 11 triple-A starts but otherwise let him loose in the majors (again assuming a maximum 6 2/3 innings pitched per start), he would finish the regular season with a maximum of 161 2/3 innings pitched between Scranton and New York. That would then allow him to make three postseason starts (say one in the ALDS and two in the ALCS) without meaningfully exceeding his 180-inning limit. If all of that goes according to plan and the Yankees find themselves in the World Series, I'm sure an extra two starts in pursuit of a World Championship would be perfectly acceptable.
Alternately, the Yankees could limit Hughes to side sessions in April, promote him directly to the major league rotation when the fifth spot comes due on May 5, and again skip his turn whenever the schedule allows. That would result in 24 major league starts in the regular season and a maximum of 160 innings pitched prior to the postseason.
A third option, and the one that I think would ultimately be most beneficial to both the team's goals for 2007 and Hughes' long term development, would be to pitch Hughes in regular rotation in the major leagues beginning on June 5 (that is not skipping his turn when off-days allow). That would result in 21 regular season major league starts totalling a maximum of 140 innings. That leaves 20 extra innings which Hughes could pitch out of the pen in April and May (or, alternately, four minor league starts with a five-inning limit, or even five minor league starts with a four-inning limit). Again, that would result in 160 regular season innings and leave him free to make three postseason starts within his 180-innings limit with the possibility of two more World Series starts if needed beyond that limit.
Each of those three scenarios assumes a level of success for both Hughes and the team that is not a foregone conclusion, but even in these best-case scenarios it's clear that Hughes can't be used as the fifth starter in April, and likely not in May either lest he be shut down in advance of the playoffs and possibly even before the divisional race is decided. The Yankees will need a fifth starter three times in April and four more times in May. If Pavano gets a splinter, the Yankees will need someone other than Hughes to take those turns. Even if Pavano is able to take the ball each time, the Yankees will need to use spring training to decide who they'll turn to should the rotation spring a leak elsewhere.
Having reduced the candidates to Karstens, Rasner, and Sanchez, I'm going to further cull the field by eliminating Sanchez. Sanchez didn't hit triple-A until the middle of last year and made just nine starts at that level before being shut down with tenderness in his pitching elbow. A highly touted prospect in his own right, though certainly not in Hughes' class, Sanchez should also be handled with kid gloves this year in the hope that he can establish himself in triple-A, stay healthy, and emerge as a candidate for the 2008 rotation or, in a best-case scenario, down the stretch this year.
That leaves Karstens and Rasner, the two rotation patches that the Yankees used late last season. Although Karstens is the more familiar face due to his having made six starts last year to Rasner's three, I've always been partial to Rasner. The stats above show why. While both men where rather fortunate on balls in play last year, Karstens was both more fortunate and significantly less likely to record a strikeout, a scary combination that could lead to a huge increase in hits and thus runs allowed this year. What's more, Karstens has come by his nickname "Scary Fly Ball Guy" (props to Steven Goldman) honestly. Consider the home run rates above. Then consider that Karstens groundball-to-flyball rate last year was 0.67. While that came in a small sample, only one of the 80 major league pitchers who qualified for the ERA title last year had a more extreme fly-ball rate. By comparison, Rasner's groundball-to-flyball rate, in an admittedly even smaller sample, was 1.13, which would have ranked him a more respectable 51st out of those 80 qualifiers. Karsten edges Rasner in the important category of minor league K/BB ratio, but Rasner edged Karstens in nearly every peripheral stat you can dig up from their major league stints last year and, frankly, I was more impressed with Rasner's stuff and composure after seeing them both pitch last September. Still, just as Pavano would be keeping the fifth starter spot warm for Hughes, Rasner or Karstens will hopefully be doing no more than that. While Rasner may be a perfectly viable fifth starter, he'd be a significant downgrade from what's expected of Wang, Moose, Pettitte, or Igawa, and the rest of the cookies Cashman collected this winter still need to bake a bit longer.
Also, thanks for not using Clemens in your calculation. There's certainly been enough fo that.
I'm with you re: Razzle Dazzle Rasner.
With Randy's back barking, I would have chosen him and Karstens over Lidle (RIP) and Wright last postseason, and probably Villone, as well.
You've given a lot of careful thought as to how best to proceed with Hughes. I agree his ML innings should not be wasted in April and May, while there are other servicable options. Still, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HIM!
I also agree it's best not to expect too much from Pavano at this point. For now, his progress and trade value should be measured one pitch at a time.
I with 3 in that I'm not sure Igawa is a legit 4 or isn't also a significant downgrade from Andy Wang Moose.
Back to choking on gasoline.
Kei Igawa is possible long relief maybe starter but no one to plan a season around. Pencil in as pleasant surprise we hope, could be gone by May. Ditto Pavano but wait to see how the big guy deals with the pressure. Does he really want to play? I say yes big time, but I seem to remember being wrong before. All right. I seem to remember being wrong three or four times before...Pavano comes up big and we have a season to remember.
So Wang, Moose and a fragile Pettite; make that a fragile Moose, too. Or do I mean a fragile Wang -- no guarantee he stays healthy through the whole season. Plenty of guys to throw in there for 2 or 3 missed starts so fragility is part of the game these days. But I really only count three starters so far....and I've written "fragile" too many times. At least I don't see Julian Tavarez' name anywhere.
Looking forward to seeing Hughes as well but not expecting as much as all the hype. Talk to me in 2008 and I will give you expectations.
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Good analysis, Cliff.
Re: Pavano, if he's pitching well (ha ha ha ha ha, sorry, it's just too funny), then keep him. You can never have enough pitching, and Moose will spend a stint on the DL, so will Andy, and possibly the WormKiller too.
Ideal for me would be Igawa to the pen to be the lefty set-up (or the villone role) after Hughes come up full time in slot 5, and an unnamed texan to take the #4 slot as pavano's bum is re-bruised by the doorknob on his way out (to SEA for sexon? ;) haha)
Start him out in the pen for at least April and May, maybe June too, then into the rotation.
but... can we let up on comeback carl? a little? after all, he tossed the ball around yesterday and seemed to be alright.
you can see photographic evidence here (along with what i'm sure will be a slew of witty cutting remarks) here:
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didn't we learn from last season that bombarding a player on your own team with negativity doesn't help? (and that was a player with exponentially more talent.)
i'm rooting for the guy. if he does well, it only helps the team.
can't we all just get along?
29 GS, 180 IP, 4.42 ERA, 6.1 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, 12-8
Igawa projects to be almost exactly league average in every way, which is just fine for a fourth starter.
Last year the Yankees' fourth starter was Jaret Wright. Here's his 2006 line:
27 GS, 140 1/3 IP, 4.49 ERA, 5.4 K/9, 3.7 BB/9, 11-7
Igawa should be an improvement.
I agree we shouldn't be penciling in Igawa over anyone else. The reports on him is that he throws a nice change, but relies heavily on a 90-mile-an-hour fastball. When healthy, we know Pavano can get major-league hitters out consistently. We don't know that about Igawa.
I think if it's June and Pavano is pitching effectively, and Igawa is merely average, you'll see Igawa moved to the 'pen for the rest of the year and Hughes made the fifth starter. Hopefully Clemens won't enter the picture (I hope he goes back to Houston).
I'm not saying there's anything different about NY (though there might be), just that pitching is very unpredictable. Plus, that's before trying to project Japanese numbers into MLB.
As far as I'm concerned, Igawa and Dice-K are huge questions marks. And while the latter will have the whole season to prove himself, Igawa may be out of the rotation in May/June if Mr. Green Tea doesn't like the karma. Pavano by contrast will get chance after chance to prove himself for Torre (assuming health).
I agree that Igawa and Matsuzaka are big question marks, but I expect both to do well. Japanese pitchers have a pretty solid track record, particularly in their first season in the majors.
What I don't agree with is that Pavano will get repeated chances from Torre. I think he's on the shortest of short leashes with the entire organization. The way I see it, the only reason he's being given any chance at all is so that he can develop enough value to allow Cashman to trade him.
28 GS, 175 1/3 IP, 4.08 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 11-9
And his actual 2006 line:
32 GS, 197 1/3 IP, 3.51 ERA, 7.8 K/9, 1.6 BB/9, 15-7
Pitching might be like weather. You know good and bad when you see it. But no one knows what tomorrow or next month or next year will bring apart from the most general trends.
I'd probably feel much better about a projection system if they started showing their error rates and for particular players and years. Unless they do? Like Mussina last year - what was the projection? Or Josh Becket? To take two extreme examples.
True on the first year for Japanese pitchers. Still, the only thing that will convince me is their performance.
We'll have to see on Pavano. But I'm still not sure, given the "veteran" proclivities of the manager, how Meat doesn't get more time than Igawa to prove himself.
Let's use that variance (as I have no idea what the actual variance of PECOTA is) and look again at Igawa:
Good Iggy:
33 GS, 200 IP, 3.92 ERA, 7.3 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 16-6
Fat Toad Iggy:
25 GS, 160 IP, 4.92 ERA, 4.9 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 8-10
Of course, if we consider the difference between predicted and actual 2006 Moose as somehow representative of the projection system, then Igawa is just as likely to be very good as very bad. So really what have we learned? What's the point of paying their subscription fee if that's the best they can tell us?
Mussina I posted above. Here's Beckett:
PECOTA 2006:
29 GS, 184 1/3 IP, 3.87 ERA, 7.3 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 12-8
Actual 2006:
33 GS, 204 2/3 IP, 5.01 ERA, 6.95 K/9, 3.25 BB/9, 16-11
Finally, Torre also has major trust issues, especially when it comes to pitchers, and he's been give every reason not to trust Pavano.
I believe this was how the O's broke in their great rotation of the 70s, Palmer et al.
Again, why waste some of his admittedly limited innings in the minors. He's already dominated AA. Great pitchers traditionally, I've read, don't spend much time in AAA. For Hughes it ought to be nada.
He's still a big question mark for them. Funny when I was terrified of what he'd do over there.
Okay, I'm done.
"cutting himself shaving"...why can I already see this image in my head? Mr. Glass's got a long long way to go.
That's how Weaver broke in guys like Flanagan, McGregor, and Dennis Martinez - but not Palmer. He was one of the "Baby Birds" of an earlier, pre-Weaver era, a crop of very young pitchers who were thrown into the rotation and promptly blew out their arms. Palmer and Dave McNally recovered; Wally bunker and Steve Barber never really did.
1 Thanks. I had seen elsewhere that Rasner was out of options, but I'll go with your word. I've also seen that Sean Henn is out of options. If so, he has an inside track on a bullpen spot.
27 Actually the move from the pitching-friendly Dolphins Stadium in the NL to the homer-happy Fenway in the DH league suggested an increase in home run rate, so I wouldn't say there was no way that could have been predicted. PECOTA clearly thought highly of Beckett and thus limited that homer rate increase to an '06 projection of 0.9 HR/9. A more pessimistic projection could easiliy have pushed that past 1.0, though I will admit that his actual 1.58 HR/9 was pretty surprising.
"If Pavano gets a splinter, the Yankees will need someone other than Hughes to take those turns."
I also think we are already having expectations of Hughes. Hopefully we won't NEED to bring him up.
We are short on SP right now. Lots of questions. I don't think we can afford to get rid of ANY league average pitchers, ie: possibly Meat unless:
...One of the kids is consistantly better then Meat and can hold up for the PS
...We get a mid-season guy, Clemens or whoever.
Since 'you can never have too much pitching' and pitching is the reason we keep losing in the PS, I say Meat stays with us.