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Game Four, Take 2
2006-10-26 16:58
by Cliff Corcoran

It looks like they're going to get the game in tonight. The pitching match up is Jeff Suppan against Michael J. Fo . . . er Jeremy Bonderman.

Desperate to get his offense going down 2-1 in the Series, Jim Leyland has dropped ALCS MVP Placido Polanco to the seventh spot in the order, moved Carlos Guillen into the vacated third spot and Sean Casey into Guillen's fifth spot. Curtis Granderson and Ivan Rodriguez, who, like Polanco, are 0 for the World Series, remain batting first and sixth, however. Good luck with that, Jimbo.

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2006-10-26 17:24:09
1.   Eirias
Michael J. Fox? Impressive. It took me a while to get the reference.
2006-10-26 17:34:06
2.   Cliff Corcoran
That's why the link, Eirias.
2006-10-26 17:34:14
3.   randym77
From Newsday:

http://tinyurl.com/y5nobx

===
Don Mattingly will replace Lee Mazzilli as Yankees bench coach, people with knowledge of the situation told Newsday Thursday.

The promotion brings Mattingly one important step closer to the manager's seat and solidifies him as the favorite to be Joe Torre's successor. Torre's contract expires after next season.
===

2006-10-26 17:41:26
4.   Simone
Good one, Cliff. I'm rooting Michael J. urr... Bonderman.
2006-10-26 17:42:13
5.   Simone
Wow, Pujols doesn't strike out often.
2006-10-26 17:45:19
6.   Cliff Corcoran
On three pitches, no less.
2006-10-26 17:53:59
7.   randym77
Edmonds probably didn't expect the catcher to run on him.
2006-10-26 18:04:16
8.   Cliff Corcoran
And Pudge forgets it's an NL game, so with two outs they walk #8 hitter and retire the pitcher.
2006-10-26 18:09:19
9.   OldYanksFan
RLYW has a REALLY good analysis on Matsuzaka.
If the RLYW numbers are close to representative, then Matsuzaka appears to be a #2 at best, and has some weaknesses that might be exploited by MLB.

As badly as we need pitching, I can't see paying 15+ million for this guy.

He also has a lot of innings on his arm, including many at a young age. Isn't that the formula for injury?

2006-10-26 18:17:19
10.   Stormer Sports
Check Suppan's hand! I think he is rubbing stem cells on the ball.
2006-10-26 18:37:58
11.   Simone
How does Michael J. let David Eckstein of all people hit him? Ugh.
2006-10-26 18:54:28
12.   Chyll Will
Sorry about 101 Cliff, it was there and I had to shoot. I read you wrong, WBGO is the way to go of course. Somehow though, I always got the impression I was "on notice" with you from early on >;)
2006-10-26 18:58:47
13.   Cliff Corcoran
12 Not at all, and I was just kidding in the last thread.
2006-10-26 19:02:22
14.   Chyll Will
13 I know. Good night all >;)
2006-10-26 19:08:32
15.   Bama Yankee
12 I liked 101 from the last thread Chyll. Of course, I'm in the bridge business so I guess I'm a sucker for bridge humor ;-)
2006-10-26 19:13:55
16.   Cliff Corcoran
15 The bridge business? You're a dentist?
2006-10-26 19:17:34
17.   Bama Yankee
16 LOL. I'd probably been better off as a dentist. Although I don't know if I could make a living putting my hands in someone's mouth.
2006-10-26 19:21:45
18.   randym77
17 Structural engineer? Dive inspector? Toll collector? Troll? ;-)
2006-10-26 19:27:29
19.   Bama Yankee
18 You guys are on a roll. Actually, I got my degree in Mechanical Engineering. Someday I hope to move up into Toll Collection and I only do dive inspection as a hobby. The only trolls around here are Red Sox and Mets fans ;-)
2006-10-26 19:32:27
20.   Simone
What was the point of that bunt? A wasted out.
2006-10-26 19:34:39
21.   randym77
20 I also have a degree in mechanical engineering, but ended up working in bridge inspection and similar things. At my office, they call me the "uncivil engineer." Only partly because my degree isn't in civil engineering. ;-)
2006-10-26 19:40:23
22.   Cliff Corcoran
19 So you design bridges? Did you have a hand in this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Fi1VcbpAI

2006-10-26 19:43:14
23.   randym77
22 Galloping Gerdie!

Come on, Tiggers. Can you make it interesting, at least? I hope you lose, 'cause you're cheaters who have tar-nished the game, but I want it to go seven, darn it.

2006-10-26 19:44:14
24.   Bama Yankee
21 Yeah, but didn't you go to Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst.? My University of Alabama degree might as well be from a box of Cracker Jacks in comparison.

Bridge inspection. You don't do work for the NYDOT do you? Those guys always give us fits when we do bridges up there. BTW, we do prefabricated steel bridges in case you were wondering.

2006-10-26 19:48:19
25.   Bama Yankee
22 Good one, Cliff. No, we did not do that one (and I doubt that randym was involved in the inspection of that one either).

BTW, thanks for the link to that. I have never seen the color footage of the Tacoma Narrows collapse. You are the man, Cliff.

2006-10-26 19:50:14
26.   randym77
24 Engineers are the only ones who've even heard of RPI.

At least you've got a football team...

2006-10-26 19:52:59
27.   randym77
And they got out of it. Amazing.
2006-10-26 19:53:53
28.   Shaun P
26 Us Union graduates (wsporter and me) have heard of RPI, too!

And I thought RPI had a football team? I bet Alabama does not have a hockey team though. ;)

2006-10-26 19:57:21
29.   Bama Yankee
28 Actually they recently started a club hockey team at Alabama. They have to play in Birmingham since that is the closet rink. You know the UAH Chargers (in Hunstville, AL) always have a pretty good college hockey team and have been competitive nationally in the past(pretty amazing for a southern college).
2006-10-26 19:57:37
30.   Bama Yankee
Thanks for the funny stuff tonight guys, but I'm out for the night.
2006-10-26 19:58:23
31.   randym77
28 RPI has a Division III football team. Being so small, they can only have one Division I sport, and that's hockey.

Being from Hawaii, I didn't realize that. My first day on campus, I got to talking to some football players, and they were telling jokes that had analytic geometry punchlines. I figured I was doomed to flunk out, if even the football players were that smart.

Eventually, I realized they were just ordinary students who happened to play football. It was the hockey team that was there on athletic scholarships.

2006-10-26 19:59:26
32.   Shaun P
I can't take much more of this. "Say, Joe, there are very few middle relievers who are strikeout pitchers . . ."

For the hell of it, I counted 13 or 14 middle relievers out of the top 26 pitchers in K/9 this season (discounting guys who only threw ~20 innings or less).

2006-10-26 20:00:49
33.   randym77
32 Watching Fox really makes me appreciate Michael Kay.
2006-10-26 20:01:11
34.   Shaun P
31 Yeah, that's what I thought. Union is the same way, though our hockey program does not have the reputation RPI's does.
2006-10-26 20:11:15
35.   wsporter
34 MFD, What's an RPI? Does it come with egg roll?
2006-10-26 20:13:35
36.   randym77
Some sports radio guy in Florida wants the Marlins to trade for A-Rod. They've got more pitchers than they know what to do with, but are lacking in offensive firepower. He wants the Yankees to pay all of A-Rod's salary. We'd get Dontrelle Willis in exchange.

Dunno if A-Rod would go for it, though. He might like going back home to Florida, I guess.

2006-10-26 20:13:51
37.   Shaun P
35 Good one, MFD! I knew you were out there somewhere.

And I believe we're all mis-stating the name of the fine school located in lovely Troy. Doesn't it go by just Rensselaer now?

randym, just out of curiousity, when did you graduate? I knew quite a few people at RPI when I was at Union.

2006-10-26 20:15:33
38.   Shaun P
Sadly, now every bunt-lover out there will point to that play as to why bunting is good.

Happily, the Cards have taken the lead with Mr. Suppan out of the game.

2006-10-26 20:20:39
39.   wsporter
37 MFD, Yes they have droped the PI. Had they droped the R instead I think it would have been more appropriate. ;-}
2006-10-26 20:21:19
40.   Simone
Yep, Rush doesn't get the win if the Cardinals do end up winning. The Tigers are literally throwing the Series away.

36 Like I said on the other thread, Alex Rodriguez for Dontrelle and Miguel Cabrera is the only trade that makes sense for the Yankees.

2006-10-26 20:21:20
41.   randym77
Ugh. Defense wins championships...

37 Yes, it goes by Rensselaer. They paid some high-falutin' consultant $50,000 to help them shed their nerdy image. Said consultant suggested dropping RPI and going with Rensselaer instead.

I graduated back when the Mets were the WS champions. When dinosaurs ruled the earth...

2006-10-26 20:27:57
42.   Simone
Ugh. I can't believe that these are the same pitchers that shut the Yankees down. If the Tigers let the one of worse teams evah to play baseball win the World Series, then they will an embarassment to the AL. They should be moved to the NL on a permanent basis.
2006-10-26 20:28:26
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
See, that was a situation in which little ball would have been preferable.

Had they bunted with Edmonds, that basehit would have scored two.

They didn't need a big inning, just to nab the lead and get some insurance, if they were lucky.

Why not bunt with Edmonds?

2006-10-26 20:29:05
44.   weeping for brunnhilde
And especially since there's a strikeout pitcher on the mound, it just doesn't make sense to play for a big inning in that spot.

A bird in the hand...

2006-10-26 20:31:29
45.   Simone
Good job, Steroid Rodriguez. This is probably his first or second hit of the Series.
2006-10-26 20:35:38
46.   randym77
Pudge is unreal. He's a month shy of his 35th birthday, a catcher for 16 years, and he still runs like that.

He'd got Jorgie beat in the baserunning department, that's for sure.

2006-10-26 20:37:40
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
Pudge is a fine, fine player.

I'd like to build a team of guys who play like him.

2006-10-26 20:38:17
48.   Simone
Inge finally doing something right.
2006-10-26 20:43:59
49.   randym77
Kevin Long (the Clippers' hitting coach) is reportedly taking over Mattingly's old job.
2006-10-26 20:47:36
50.   weeping for brunnhilde
49 Do you know anything about what hitting coaches do?

I get the sense that their main job is to work on mechanics but what I think is more important is working on approach.

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2006-10-26 20:50:26
51.   randym77
51 Mattingly said something once about his main job being to keep his hitters' confidence up.
2006-10-26 20:56:03
52.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 That's fine, that's obviously part of coaching, but what about the fine art of pitch selection and working the count?

Do they study this?

2006-10-26 20:56:43
53.   weeping for brunnhilde
Eckstein's a serious player.

I'd have him on my team any day of the week.

2006-10-26 21:00:20
54.   weeping for brunnhilde
Can you imagine having Eckstein as a utility man?

He'd by the perfect bench player for us.

2006-10-26 21:01:13
55.   randym77
He coulda gotten that ball.

52 I have no clue. Obviously, they do a lot of scouting, and that must affect their approach. As we so often saw, on those nights when the scouting report said "Swing at the first pitch."

2006-10-26 21:02:13
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
55 Could have, but that was a tough play.
2006-10-26 21:04:32
57.   Simone
One things for sure, Eckstein is seriously a bad player.
2006-10-26 21:05:55
58.   Simone
Apparently, the Tigers have never heard of taking a pitch or two.
2006-10-26 21:06:54
59.   randym77
I doubt Eckstein would want to be a utility guy.

Well, the Tiggers have dug themselves a hole...

2006-10-26 21:08:01
60.   Simone
I take back my statement that the Tigers would "crush" the Cardinals. Feel free to say, "I told you."

Tigers, get thee to the NL and don't come back.

2006-10-26 21:08:40
61.   Shaun P
Wainright is nasty. I guess the Braves do trade a good pitching prospect once in a while after all.

54 I think Eckstein is a good player, but I hate how the media overhypes him. Yes, he's a little guy. Yes, he throws funny. Yes, its clear that hard work rather than talent has gotten him to where he is. But does every other story need to be about Eckstein? And that Holiday Inn award is a joke. The last thing Eckstein is is underappreciated or unknown.

Now, tonight being 4 for 4, he totally deserves the POTG. No overhyping there.

2006-10-26 21:09:09
62.   randym77
58 Definitely. That's their game:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/15841412.htm

"But the thing Tigers fans should panic about most is that Tigers hitters are swinging at pretty much everything they see. There was a flyover before Tuesday night's game. Detroit leadoff hitter Curtis Granderson swung at the planes."

2006-10-26 21:09:09
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
59 Maybe for the glory of playing with the Yanks?

Although it looks like he's about to win his second ring, so perhaps the old "Don't-you-want-to-win-the-world-series?" card won't quite resonate with him.

2006-10-26 21:10:54
64.   Simone
It is amazing that Eckstein is even a starter with a VORP of 9. something. He is putrid. His performance tonight shows that even the blind squirrel finds a nut on the rare occasion.
2006-10-26 21:12:15
65.   weeping for brunnhilde
61 I understand and I've seen a bit of the media hype and I get your point.

Still, from watching him play against us and from those other times I've seen him, he's really impressed me.

He had some ridiculous at-bat a little while ago, maybe against the Mets? Can't recall, but it was like 15 pitches and it was very impressive.

I think he ended up striking out.

I'm not saying he's Willie Mays, but I think he's a very, very solid player and solidity is sort of hard to come by these days--everyone wants to be a superstar.

2006-10-26 21:12:28
66.   Simone
62 Goes to show how atrocious the Yankees' pitchers performed against the Tigers.

Don't yell at any FOX executives, Girardi.

2006-10-26 21:28:09
67.   Cliff Corcoran
40 Why in the name of all rational thought would the Marlins make that trade? Even Rodriguez for Cabrera straight up is a bad trade for the Fish. Please try to ground your statements in reality.
2006-10-26 21:45:04
68.   Shaun P
67 I was thinking that, of all the Marlins' pitchers, I'd want Dontrelle the least, given the mileage on his arm and his funky mechanics.

There is also no way Loria would ever approve that deal. Getting the most expensive player in the game, even if the Yanks picked up some of the salary, would kill their argument for a new mostly-taxpayer-financed stadium.

65 "solidity is sort of hard to come by these days--everyone wants to be a superstar."

Recognizing your limits is a good thing, but shouldn't everyone in the big leagues try to be a superstar, ie, give their all and then some? And since when is being a superstar a bad thing?

2006-10-26 21:59:15
69.   weeping for brunnhilde
68 Being a superstar is a bad thing when you ground an outside pitch weakly to second base instead of going the other way.

Or when you strike out with the tying runner on second base in the eigth inning instead of putting the ball in play and allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Or when you think it's beneath you to even learn how to bunt, let alone be called upon to execute one.

The problem, I suppose, is that superstar is defined too narrowly as "home run hitter" and too few fans appreciate complete baseball players so most players apparently have less incentive to become complete players.

That's as it seems to me, anyway.

2006-10-27 03:58:28
70.   randym77
68 I don't see it happening, either. Dontrelle is their marquee name. Trading him would be like us trading Jeter. The fans would pitch a fit.
2006-10-27 05:25:43
71.   Simone
67 I never said that the Marlins would make that trade. In fact, I specifically said on the other thread that they would not.
2006-10-27 05:28:01
72.   rbj
Leyland dropped Polanco to the 7 hole? He must hate him and want him traded.
2006-10-27 05:29:41
73.   Simone
I do like that now the media is no longer rambling on about Leyland's always making the right moves.

I just saw that "Dancing with the Stars" has kicked the World Series' butt in the ratings. I love that FOX is suffering. Couldn't happen to a more deserving network.

2006-10-27 05:34:57
74.   Simone
I just read that Sheffield wants to appeal to George for the Yankees not to pick up his option. Sheffield says that the only right fielder who is better than him is Vlad. I said the same thing when George overpaid Sheffield a couple years ago instead of going after Vlad.

http://tinyurl.com/y3eh8l

2006-10-27 06:44:46
75.   vockins
74 That article reads like something from The Onion.

"I went by his house."

I have an image of Sheff on his Mongoose Californian (http://tinyurl.com/yatu4m) pedalling frantically to Steinbrenner's cul-de-sac. So goofy.

2006-10-27 07:16:23
76.   RIYank
61 That Holiday Inn award is embarrassing. "Unrecognized effort" "in the shadows". As Junior put it at firejoemorgan, "the guy who's running away with this thing has his own fucking cereal." And earlier firejoemorgan wondered whether "role players" means "white people" (look at the list of nominees -- how did Valentin sneak into this country club, anyway???).
2006-10-27 07:43:34
77.   Simone
75 Hee. I don't understand why Sheffield didn't call to make sure that George was home.
2006-10-27 12:06:03
78.   YankeeInMichigan
3 I have a hard time buying the notion that Mattingly is the destined heir for Torre. I would think that George's Plan A would be to Randolph from the Mets.
2006-10-27 12:29:20
79.   OldYanksFan
If anyone is an ESPN "Insider", maybe they could tell us some of the specifics in the article by Olney: "How Jeter could help A-Rod"
2006-10-27 12:51:38
80.   standuptriple