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2006-10-12 10:05
by Alex Belth

I don't have much of vested interest in the ALCS playoffs but am rooting for the A's. Man, Frank Thomas just missed hitting a game-winning grand slam in the ninth inning last night. Instead he popped-out to end the game. It reminded me that when I played baseball in high school, missing a fat pitch and popping it up felt much worse than striking out. Yo, did you guys see Rodney in the eighth inning? Christmas. His change-up/fastball combo was simply devastating. And though I'll continue to pull for Oakland, I don't really dislike the Tigers. Heck, I predicted that The Gambler wouldn't win another game in the post-season, but up 2-0, at home, he's got zero pressure on him. So let me revise that: Kenny Rogers will not win any kind of pressure game this October.

Here's a thought: how much of a boost does Pudge Rodriguez's reputation get should the Tigers win? Yeah, he's already a Hall of Famer, but I mean, he was just killed a few years ago when he bolted Florida for the pathetic Tigers. While there has been more than a fare share of snickering when it comes to Pudge's svelt figure over the past two years (he was one of the lucky ones who didn't get caught, the thinking goes), he continues to be a dangerous defensive catcher and still has some life in his bat. He's had a ton of talented pitchers to work with in Florida and now, in Detroit, but he certainly hasn't screwed them up. How you like me now, indeed.

As for the NLCS, I'll be honest, deep-down, I just don't have it in me to actively root for the Mets. I've tried to do it, cause they are from New York and all, but I suppose it just goes against my nature. That said, I wouldn't be upset if they won it all as they are an exceedingly likable bunch. Not only that, but I've got some very dear friends that are die-hard Met fans and I would just be thrilled for them should the boys from Queens pull it out. I interviewed "the voice of the Mets" Gary Cohen the other day for SI.com. Check it out. My hunch is that we're going to see the Mets and Tigers in the Serious. As far as match-ups go, we could certainly do worse.

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2006-10-12 10:27:30
1.   Schteeve
Alex, there must be some mistake, the baseball season ended last Saturday. I'm not sure what these folks in Detroit, Oakland, New York and St Louis are up to, I assume it some sort of extended Spring Training or something.

Anyway, if anyone needs me I'll be watching videos of fat kids singing along to techno music on YouTube.

2006-10-12 10:27:45
2.   Yankee Fan In Boston
i'm rooting for the tigers.

if forced into the situation, i usually root for the team that takes the yankees out, because if you're going to lose, it might as well be to the champs.

also, they scored some major points with me when they took the party out of the locker room and shared that moment with the fans.

regardless of who goes on, the series will be very fun to watch.

2006-10-12 10:33:03
3.   Shaun P
Maybe its bitter on my part, but for now, I am actively rooting against the Tigers. I'm sure by the time its all over, I won't really care. But now is a different story.

Not being from the city, and not growing up around almost any Mets fans (obnoxious or otherwise), I have no trouble rooting for them. My old roommate is a huge Mets fan and it would make his year to see them win it all.

2006-10-12 10:33:35
4.   Chyll Will
I feel you on the Mets, Alex. My uncle is more of a Mets fan than a Yankee fan, only because he was a Brooklyn Dodger fan before they left town. My only real good will feelings for the Mets was back in the New York Hot Tracks-Yo!MTV Raps era. These days, I can only bring myself to root for Willie and Omar, the rest are just players on another team. Eh.
2006-10-12 10:33:38
5.   Yankee Fan In Boston
1
wow.

i thought i'd plug "fat" and "techno" into youtube...

this came up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuBw6xUK6A

and so did my lunch.

thanks, schteeve.

2006-10-12 10:35:47
6.   Cliff Corcoran
I actually find this Mets team pretty likeable, so I'll be rooting for them despite their uniforms. Wiz Kid Wright, Ex-Yank Willie, Shoulda-been Yankee Beltran, Delgado was always a guy I liked despite his tendency to crush the Yanks, seeing Reyes finally put it together, watching HOFer Glavine carry a rotation in shambles, Wagner is the best NL closer of the past decade, Pete Abraham keeps saying what a great guy Cliff Floyd is, and I'm happy to root for the name, etc. etc.

In the AL, I'm tempted to root for the Tigers as I have some connections to Michigan and for the reason YFIB states in 2, but I keep looking at that teem and thinking "this isn't a championship team, this is a team that's a year or two away from being a championship team." Of course the A's are in the same spot.

How about the Mets getting El Duque back for the WS and taking it all the way? I could dig it.

(oh, and yes, I'm back, and I'll have some new posts up next week that look back at the 2006 season before I look ahead to the winter and 2007 in the weeks that follow)

2006-10-12 10:41:00
7.   Dimelo
I'm kind of indifferent about the playoffs. I won't watch the AL games, I can't stand seeing the Tigers - especially the Gambler. I'm still not over that Kenny Rogers game, I'm still seeing him yelling and screaming. I would love nothing more than to jump into the television and slap him with a camera.

If there's anyone I'll root for would be the Mets, though it is blasphemous. I wouldn't even call it openly rooting either. I'd like to see Reyes and Wright elevated to superstar level though - they deserve it. For some reason Met fans make all sorts of stupid remarks about the Yankees and it doesn't bother me one bit. I don't care about the backpages, I read the damn news online anyway. Let Big Stein worry about that. They aren't in the AL East and their name isn't the Boston Red Sox or Toronto Blue Jays. Unless we play them in the Serious, it's like they are invisible to me.

Plus if the Mets and Wright win the "Serious" then that would open the door for all sorts of news stories about the other 3rd baseman in the Bronx. It's not like we've had enough of those. Plus if Wright hits a walk-off to win the entire thing it might make the drama and light on "poor" ARod a little stronger.

I was a big supporter of the guy, but now I want to see him get as much attention as humanly possible. I want everything to be on ARod. For example, if the Yanks are able to pry Willis from the Marlins but all ARod has to do is agree to be traded. He doesn't agree to be traded and the spotlight is even bigger on him. If in the 70's we had the Bronx Zoo, I don't know what we'll call this next fiasco.

Plus I'm pissed at NoMaas man love for ARod and their hatred for Torre. I just don't get it.

2006-10-12 10:43:18
8.   Dimelo
Who is this Cliff Corcoran guy?

Welcome back, Man....if you would've been here then I'm sure the Yanks would have advanced. I put the blame squarely on your shoulders. Just kidding....though I'm sure the thought had to cross your mind.

2006-10-12 10:47:10
9.   standuptriple
I went to the ALCS game last night. That Tiger team is very scrappy. They took everything the A's threw at them (granted some of it was Loaiza) and didn't flinch. I guess I'm ok with losing to the eventual champs.
I'm waiting for some Uncle Milton love anytime now.
Note to NYY FO, it never hurts to have excessin the bullpen (see ANA ver.2002 and CWS ver.2005). That is all.
2006-10-12 10:49:43
10.   Cliff Corcoran
8 Actually, no it hadn't. They seemed to lose just fine with me watching last year.

9 I for one have never doubted Bradley's talent, only his ability to stay healthy, which he failed to do again this year.

2006-10-12 10:55:56
11.   Sliced Bread
Hey, welcome back, Cliff.

Couldn't care less who wins Tigers-A's series, but man, beating the Yanks sure seems to energize teams.

As a former kid from Flushing, Queens the Mets still have a place in my heart.

My family moved out to Long Island in 1976 as I was turning 10. I had several birthday parties at Shea when we lived in Queens, and a lot of great memories from Shea. But my dad was a lifelong Yanks fan, and all the baseball books I read as a kid were filled with Yanks history, and even when we were at the Mets games I remember my dad telling me Yankees stories.

1976 wasn't a bad year for a kid to jump on the Yanks bandwagon. '77-'78, and I never looked back. As a 2nd baseman, I was all Willie Randolph all the time.

'86 Series I was a junior at the State University of NY at Albany. I remember only a few of us wore Yankees caps at the time. The bars and keg parties were a sea of Mets caps, and NY Giants hats. You stood out in the crowd wearing a Yanks cap at SUNY Albany ('84-'88).

During the '86 Series, a bunch of us Yanks and Mets fans rented a cargo van and drove to Boston. Tailgated outside Fenway, and listened to the game on the radio. I remember one young Sox fan passing by, asking his father (about me): "Why's that guy wearing a Yankees hat?" as if he'd never seen one before.

Yeah, I'm rooting for the Mets even if it means taking crap from Mets fans for a while. They have players I'd love as Yankees, but I'm mostly rooting for Willie, who is right up there with Bernie as my all-time favorite.

2006-10-12 11:04:51
12.   Bluebleeder87
i'm rooting for the "motor city" my self, but there is a soft spot for the A's in my heart as well i'm from California
2006-10-12 11:05:30
13.   Shaun P
6 Good to see you, Cliff. Looking forward to your posts, and getting back to thinking about baseball and not tragedy.
2006-10-12 11:06:20
14.   pistolpete
Can't do it, can't root for the Mets at all. I've taken too much abuse from their fans over the years to give them any sort of satisfaction.

They love to revel in Yankees anguish? I'll only be glad to return the favor. Go Tigers/A's.

2006-10-12 11:06:56
15.   Peter
I'm kind of on the fence about this. I think of the A's as my 3rd favorite AL team, so I'm rooting for them in that respect, but a Tigers victory would soften the blow from last week.
The Cards used to be my favorite NL team but I sort of lost interest in them after 2004. My brother is a Mets fan and he's over in Iraq right now, so I'd like to email him good news about his team, but I'm just completely indifferent towards them.
I guess I'll just hope for good baseball and watch the proverbial chips fall where they fall.
2006-10-12 11:10:19
16.   bp1
I fell asleep during the game last night. I enjoy watching baseball - no matter who is playing - but the passion is gone. This ALDS hangover is lingering. The thought of a winter long A-Rod drama makes my stomach upset.

11 We're the same age. My best friend in college was a Royals fan - and to this day I'm still not sure why. We had to agree to disagree on that point, although the truce was alwasy tested when the subject of Brett vs Goose came up. He's still a Royal's fan. Go figure. I think I've had the better end of the deal since then.

2006-10-12 11:13:53
17.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
In LA, there's a little affection that translates for having Mike Scioscia manage the Angels to (some) success. I'm curious of the Yankee fan finds the same in Willie Randolph managing the Mets...
2006-10-12 11:19:11
18.   bp1
17 Yeah, a little. Willie was a favorite of mine as a kid, like most kids who grew up watching the late 70's Yankees. I will always wish him success, but there's a little sadness. Sort of like when you're kids start to grow independent. You're proud - but at the same time a little sad. I dunno. I was hoping he'd take over for Joe, but that ain't gonna happen, I don't think.

Yeah - I want Willie to win it this year. I'll stay up to watch the post game if they do, and I'll smile, but I'll be wishing he was doing it as a Yankee skipper instead.

Probably selfish on my part.

2006-10-12 11:19:33
19.   Cliff Corcoran
17 Works for me. I rooted for the '86 Mets but have generally disliked the team since that squad imploded. With Willie at the healm of a good looking team I'm getting a bit of that spirit of '86 all over again.
2006-10-12 11:20:36
20.   Cliff Corcoran
18 I always wanted Girardi to take over for Joe, still might happen. Willie grew up a Mets fan in Brooklyn, he's back home and it's great to see him succeeding.
2006-10-12 11:23:25
21.   wsporter
I'm rooting for the Tigers in the AL. Hell I'd like the team that took us to make it. At least we can say we lost to the best. I would like Willie's boys to take it all though.
2006-10-12 11:29:11
22.   Schteeve
Does it make me a bad baseball fan that I could give a crap about any of the other MLB teams? Seriously, when I watch games in which the Yanks aren't playing, I just root for whoever is losing, because I don't really want anyone else to win.
2006-10-12 11:34:02
23.   Knuckles
I was rooting for the Mets so they could get their asses handed to them by the Yanks.
Now? No way, Jose.
I'm rooting for the Giants and Devils.
2006-10-12 11:36:07
24.   mehmattski
22 Not a bad fan, just a different fan I guess. For me, watching baseball is always pleasurable, and I've found it exciting to watch even regular season games between two teams I have no connection to. One favorite example is this game:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05150MIL2003.htm

Between the Cubs and Brewers in May, 2003. It lasted 17 innings. I watched every one of them, and even annoyed some family members when I refused to join them at dinner because I had to see the end of the game.

I guess 2003 was my most recent peak in being obsessed with all of baseball... I also watched every inning of all the postseason games that year. This year, meanwhile, I've been completely obsessed with the Yankees, at the expense of learning about other teams. Now that I've found great blogs from a lot of different teams, hopefully next year I can get back to being a giant baseball nerd, instead of just a giant Yankees nerd.

As for this postseason, I'm interested in the games, usually I just root for a "good game" rather than for/against any non Yanks for Red Sox team. But honestly... trying to watch the games with the FOX announcers makes me want to change the channel.

2006-10-12 11:39:27
25.   Yankee Fan In Boston
24 attempting to compete with the people in my fantasy league has kept me up to date with the major ebbs and flows of most teams and some players i would otherwise not follow.

...it doesn't help too much, as i was 7th out of 10 this campaign.

2006-10-12 11:41:21
26.   Knuckles
Off topic (sorry) but is anyone in a decent NBA fantasy league (preferably Yahoo) that has open spots? Or would any Bronx Banterers be interested in forming one?

The ongoing league we had at my former job has kind of splintered and fallen apart as we all left the company, and it's more fun to play against people you 'know' rather than strangers...

2006-10-12 11:42:49
27.   Cliff Corcoran
24 Don't get me started on FOX. They showed a super slow low-angle replay of the close play at the plate on Craig Monroe last night, but threw up a loud (literally) "FOX Replay" graffic that took the length of the replay to finish zip-crashing onto the screen, completely distracting from the replay itself. I'm still not sure if I think he was safe or not.
2006-10-12 11:44:03
28.   Cliff Corcoran
26 Some of my coworkers here are doing something with the National Book Award candidates, but I don't think it's open to the public.

That is what you meant by NBA, right?

2006-10-12 11:44:04
29.   unpopster
I guess I'm rooting for the Tigers as well because, as many have pointed out in above posts, if the Yanks are gonna lose to someone, it might as well be to the WS champs. Plus, I've got a few friends in Motown and they're pretty chill guys.

I also can't root for the A's because should they win it all, the "Billy Beane is a genius" meme will be sickening. It's bad enough we gotta hear it when he's never gotten his team out of the ALDS, but if they actually win it all they'll be non-stop BEANEBALL coverage from now until hell freezes over.

But OMG, I also think we're witnessing that proverbial "postseason steamrolling" that we sometimes see in October. The 2006 Tigers are the 2005 White Sox. They are on a serious roll and I just don't think anyone can beat them right now. I really don't like Leyland but you've just got to give the guy props because he took a flailing team and motivated them into world beaters.

As for the Mets, I like the team, I like Willie, I have a lot of friends who are Met fans, but if they actually win the World Serious, we Yankee fans in NYC will be living in a nightmare. No sir, I don't want to live through that shite.

2006-10-12 11:46:17
30.   Yankee Fan In Boston
29
they're in the ALCS now.

...lucky bastards.

2006-10-12 11:46:26
31.   Knuckles
28 Actually, it's the No Bunting Allowed league. Been trying to get Jeter to join for years, unsuccessfully.
2006-10-12 11:46:51
32.   pistolpete
25 I'm like you- I consider myself a lot more knowledgeable than I used to be, thanks to the wheelings and dealings of my Yahoo fantasy league.

I don't really watch the games as a whole, but I do check in and watch for about 5-6 minutes at a time - depending on what's happening on the field. If there's ducks on the pond, I'll usually see what the end result of the inning is and then move on.

I think I used to watch the playoffs more often as a child in the 80's, when the Yanks NEVER made it and I really didn't know what the emotion of 'elimination bitterness' felt like...

2006-10-12 11:49:16
33.   Sliced Bread
29 "As for the Mets, I like the team, I like Willie, I have a lot of friends who are Met fans, but if they actually win the World Serious, we Yankee fans in NYC will be living in a nightmare. No sir, I don't want to live through that shite."

Well said, unpopster, but I think we've already survived worse.

2006-10-12 11:51:29
34.   Schteeve
Ok, I don't like Kenny Rogers. I can't stand him as a matter of fact. So I can't root for the Tigers. I can't root for the Mets because to me, that's like cheating on your girl with her sister. No matter how hot her sister is, it still doesn't sit well with me. The Cards, well i used to date a girl from St Louis and that didn't end well, so I'm not rooting for the Cards, which leaves me with Oakland.

I think I can live with Oakland.

2006-10-12 11:53:27
35.   mehmattski
A point many may not have considered. If the Tigers win the Serious, then guess who would possess a World Series Ring?

That's right.

Neifi!

2006-10-12 11:55:08
36.   Cliff Corcoran
29 I don't see a Mets win being such a big deal for Yankee fans. This has been the Mets year, if they're gonna win it, why not let it be this year when the Yanks are already out of it.
2006-10-12 11:57:19
37.   Cliff Corcoran
35 Hey, Tony Womack has one, why not Neifi!? What's worse, Kenny Rogers will have two.
2006-10-12 12:01:14
38.   unpopster
33 yeah, my Red Sox-lovin' friends really gave it to me after 2004...but most of them lived either in New England or points beyond NYC. If the Mets actually win it all, there'll be a million fat bozos like "The King of Queens" Kevin James roaming the streets of MY city.
2006-10-12 12:01:23
39.   Start Spreading the News
36 you clearly don't know a lot of obnoxious Met fans.

The teasing and ribbing will be really bad this year, especially when the Yanks were the favorite going into the playoffs.

Plus I really want the A's to win to finally shut up the anti-sabermetrics crowd. Not that it will prove anything, but to the anti-saber crowd, a WS legitimizes the approach.

2006-10-12 12:04:52
40.   SF Yanks
I have to root for the Tigers. If they smack around and shut out the other teams, the Yanks don't look so bad. That way the blame doesn't get pointed at ARod, I mean, any of the Yankees.
2006-10-12 12:05:24
41.   pistolpete
39 We'd also be in for an absolute eternity of replays of the clinching radio call on WFAN, courtesy of Gary Cohen...
2006-10-12 12:11:52
42.   bp1
Well, I guess I've got it coming to me if the Mets win. My wife and I were going to dinner with friends a few weekends ago, the husband being a lifelong Mets fan. It was after Pedro's 2nd outing after coming back, and I made a snarky comment something like "Geez, Pedro pitched last night and didn't even cry.".

Payback's a b*tch, right?

This is why I avoided all the "Boston Massacre" talk in August. Yes, we essentially eliminated Boston's playoff chances that weekend, but I think the Yankees left something on the field that they never got back. The fire did not burn quite as brightly afterward. I don't believe jinxes, well - not really - but I was afraid that giving that weekend a "name" was a bit premature.

(sigh)

2006-10-12 12:12:04
43.   Yankee Fan In Boston
38, 41
you are describing my life for the past 2 years... only instead of the king of queens, imagine jimmy fallon...

it was renewed again literally 20 minutes after game four of the ALDS this year. i stepped out my front door and a neighbor, who i am certain has seen me sporting yankee t-shirts, shouts from across the street, "you like the game?!? beautiful."

eh. whatever. my team didn't finish behind the blue jays.

my sympathies if the mets pull this off... but it would be really impressive given their pitching situation... which would only exacerbate your situation...

go tigers!

2006-10-12 12:13:45
44.   Sliced Bread
34 What if your girl's hot sister (who happens to be dating Willie Randolph?) kicks Kenny Rogers in the junk, and throws a drink in face? You'd cheer for that, wouldn't you?

38 39 Most of my Mets lovin' friends are the mild-mannered variety, and if they hate the Yanks, they at least respect them. That said, it's already getting bad now that they're "advising" me how the Yanks need to fix themselves -- but that I can handle.
I don't think we'll ever see anything less gracious, and more obnoxiously in our Yankees-loving mugs than the '04 Red Sox fans. At least I hope not.

2006-10-12 12:18:07
45.   Shaun P
37 Its bad enough that Kenny got his first one thanks to the Yanks. He ought not to have a second.

Willie, meanwhile, is working on getting his 7th, and I would be very glad for him if he did.

29 Maybe the "trade A-Rod" stories are dead now anyway - but if the A's winning would put those stories out for good, I'd happily listen to 6 months of "Billy Beane = genius".

I would also be fascinated to see Joe Morgan's reaction, as he continues to believe that Beane wrote Moneyball. Or at least he did the last time someone asked him in a chat.

2006-10-12 12:22:17
46.   Shaun P
44 Sliced, once again, my co-workers are all staring at me and wondering why I can't stop laughing.
2006-10-12 12:30:09
47.   Bama Yankee
It's nice to have Cliff back with us (we missed you buddy, "National Book Award candidates" LOL).

Also, (ditto to Shaun P) thanks Sliced for making me laugh with 44.

2006-10-12 12:50:29
48.   Fred Vincy
I've actually taken a bit of pride in how well the teams that have eliminated us have done: '01 D'Backs, '02 Angels, '03 Marlins, and '04 Red Sox were all world champs. It takes a very good team to beat the Yankees....
2006-10-12 12:57:25
49.   das411
Aren't the Tigers sort of the ultimate Anti-Moneyball team this year?
2006-10-12 13:08:22
50.   JL25and3
Someone asked yesterday why I don't like Tony LaRussa. I ans