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With A Lidle Luck They Can Pull Ervin
2006-08-26 10:34
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

I know I used the first half of that headline the last time Cory Lidle pitched, but Lidle did go out and throw six scoreless innings against the Red Sox in the final game of the massacre that day, so forgive me for going back to the well as the Yankees look to even their series with the Angels at one game a piece.

Save for the one time he took the mound with a stomach virus, Lidle has tossed three quality starts in his four Yankee appearances, considering the fact that he was acquired to fill a spot in the rotation that hadn't received a quality start since May 6, the Yankees can't have asked for much more. The curious footnote to that is that that one poor outing, though it did come while he was sick, also came against the Angels.

Ervin Santana takes the hill for the Angels. He last faced the Yankees in his season debut back on April 8 and held a very different team to one run on two hits and a walk in 5 2/3 innings. Since then, the 23-year-old Santana has developed a Chien-Ming Wang like home/road split, which is troubling for both Santana and the Yankees. In Anaheim this year, Santana is 7-2 with a 2.83 ERA a 1.08 WHIP and a .218 batting average against. He's also been mighty stingy with the long ball, allowing just five home runs in 89 innings at home (that's 0.51 per nine innings). In fact, Santana's had just one poor outing at home all year, that coming against the White Sox back on April 30 when he lasted seven innings, walked one, and struck out four, but also allowed five runs on eight hits.

I'll make a bold prediction: there's no way the Yankees will be able to win today without a contribution from Mariano Rivera.

Comments (409)
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2006-08-26 11:00:04
1.   mehmattski
I'll step up and make the first comment, a prediction: 7-4 Yankees, Rivera gets to pad his save total with a gimme. Yay.
2006-08-26 11:07:13
2.   SF Yanks
I think it will be more along the lines of 4-3 Yanks.
2006-08-26 11:54:01
3.   randym77
This is the game I was most confident of winning going into this series. Jaret Wright has been unreliable lately, and I'm not expecting too much of the Karstens kid. But Lidle's been pretty solid.
2006-08-26 11:57:08
4.   Cliff Corcoran
3 Curious, as Santana at home has been better than either Lackey or Saunders.
2006-08-26 12:00:29
5.   randym77
4 Eh. Santana's not an URP, he don't scare me. ;-)

And I'm more concerned about our starting pitching than our hitting. The offense is fine. It's starting pitching and defense I wonder about.

2006-08-26 12:16:35
6.   randym77
Holy guacamole, he finally did it!

Damon CF
Rodriguez 3B
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Williams DH
Cabrera LF
Fasano C

2006-08-26 12:20:14
7.   randym77
And here's the Angels:

Chone Figgins CF
Maicer Izturis 3B
Orlando Cabrera SS
Vladimir Guerrero DH
Garret Anderson LF
Juan Rivera RF
Howie Kendrick 1B
Adam Kennedy 2B
Mike Napoli C

2006-08-26 12:24:09
8.   Sliced Bread
6 Interesting. I'd shake it up even more and switch Cano and Rodriguez.
Bernie at DH? What can you do? Let's go Bernie!!!
2006-08-26 12:27:00
9.   randym77
8 Bernie at DH is a heck of a lot better than Bernie in CF or RF!
2006-08-26 12:35:33
10.   mehmattski
Damn, I realized that the local FOX station isn't carrying the Yankees game. What was that mlb.tv fix I heard so much about? Will it work if this is a nationally televised game? Help!
2006-08-26 12:40:10
11.   Sliced Bread
9 Somebody has to convice Joe that Bernie's feet could suffer a severe allergic reaction from making contact with turf,and that shoes and socks aren't enough to prevent it.
2006-08-26 13:14:55
12.   randym77
A-Rod is looking really messed up at the plate these days.
2006-08-26 13:15:30
13.   kdw
Anyone watching the game, how did the Damon and A-Rod at-bats look?
2006-08-26 13:16:10
14.   JPost
Juan almost dropped that ball damn
2006-08-26 13:17:38
15.   Tarheel
Here we go again with Arod. Fastball strike one, fastball strike two, slider low and away strike three. I think I could pitch to this guy.
2006-08-26 13:19:02
16.   Sliced Bread
13 Damon just missed a double before he K'ed, A-Rod's flatout illin'.
2006-08-26 13:19:13
17.   randym77
A-Rod looks lost at the plate. He's guessing. And not very well.
2006-08-26 13:22:49
18.   JPost
I said the same crap last night, just forget about it. The dude is in a slump, a 2 year old could notice it by now. Just keep it to your damn self, the guy has 93 RBIS and we make it seem like he's pullin' a Carl Pavano on the Yankee fan base. It's almost at the point now that if we continue to bitch about it nothing will change. Let him figure it out himself, he made it to the big leagues, none of you did.
2006-08-26 13:23:09
19.   kdw
16 Thanks.
2006-08-26 13:24:44
20.   randym77
Well, it appears my faith in "American Lidle" was misplaced. :-P
2006-08-26 13:25:19
21.   Tarheel
18 I did.
2006-08-26 13:29:11
22.   randym77
That could have been worse. Heart of the order coming up. Let's go, Yankees!
2006-08-26 13:29:30
23.   JPost
yeah i'm sure you did Tarheel and my name is Alex Rodriguez. I'm blogging from third base at the moment.
2006-08-26 13:29:37
24.   Stormer Sports
15

Actually, last night it was the breaking ball that got him to 0-2, not the fastball.

2006-08-26 13:30:58
25.   Tarheel
23 I did.
2006-08-26 13:31:28
26.   Tarheel
23 I did.
2006-08-26 13:32:18
27.   JPost
fucking idiots.
2006-08-26 13:33:23
28.   Eric
26 Prove it!
2006-08-26 13:33:42
29.   Stormer Sports
Poor Juan, he just wants to prove to the Yankees that they made a mistake bailing on him.
2006-08-26 13:35:33
30.   Stormer Sports
What is with the individual bottles of Gatorade this year? Their glutonous lifestyle doesn't damage the environment enough already?
2006-08-26 13:35:43
31.   randym77
23 Well, "Alex," if it's going to bother you to read critical things about yourself, maybe you should just avoid Yankees sites for awhile.

It's not like we have brainless A-Rod bashers here. No one's demanding that we trade him for a bag of baseballs, or saying we should call him K-Rod because he has more strikeouts than Francisco Rodriguez does.

He's struggling, and we're discussing that. It's unreasonable to expect us not to.

Especially when many of those here log in because they can't watch the game. They want descriptions of what's going on. Are we supposed to lie and say he hit a homer when he struck out?

2006-08-26 13:37:28
32.   Tarheel
31 Exactly.
2006-08-26 13:39:15
33.   Alvaro Espinoza
31 I'd offer an opinion but I never played major league baseball.
2006-08-26 13:39:44
34.   kdw
Speaking of logging in because you can't see the game, could you tell from the replay whether Abreu was safe at 2d?
2006-08-26 13:41:10
35.   seamus
31 well, there is a difference between saying a guy struck out and looked bad doing it and claiming he sucks and is mentally deranged and all sorts of things that some, and certainly not all, folks post. It is the insult oriented commentary that bugs me, but i stay because of the good substance in between.
2006-08-26 13:41:46
36.   randym77
Maybe Melky should play a little deeper.
2006-08-26 13:41:51
37.   Tarheel
28 Of course I didn't. People around here can't take a joke.

Lighten up

2006-08-26 13:41:52
38.   Stormer Sports
34

Yes he was. Mikey S. just bitches for the sake of bitching. He always has.

Oh boy. Come on Corey! We need you because we can't score runs against this club.

2006-08-26 13:42:25
39.   seamus
kendrick is a good hitter. just crushes the ball.
2006-08-26 13:43:37
40.   randym77
35 I honestly haven't seen that here. At other Yankees boards, yes. It's unbearable. But here? We've been the Alex Rodriguez Defense Brigade here. That doesn't mean we can't admit that he's struggling, and seems to be feeling the pressure.
2006-08-26 13:44:39
41.   Tarheel
40 The worst is the YES network message boards.
2006-08-26 13:45:38
42.   seamus
40 i've definitely seen it here. that killbilly is way over the top, or whatever his name is. but yes, compared to some places, this place is good.
2006-08-26 13:46:10
43.   Sliced Bread
34 Throw beat him, and it looked to me like he got tagged in the helmet before his feet hit the bag, but he made a nice hard slide and held on. In other words, he looked safe, but I don't think he was. I figure 7 out of 10 umps would have called him out because the throw beat him, but Abreu really made a good slide.
2006-08-26 13:46:27
44.   JPost
i just find it ironic that the same assholes who jump on him as soon as he makes an out are the same ones who give him the standing ovation when he does well.
2006-08-26 13:46:28
45.   randym77
41 There are some good posters at YES, but a lot of them seem to be 12 year old kids with very short memories. They are ready to tar and feather Craig Wilson now, and are demanding Andy be played instead. Never mind that two weeks ago, they were saying Andy sucks and should be DFA'd.
2006-08-26 13:46:32
46.   kdw
38 Thanks.
2006-08-26 13:47:43
47.   kdw
43 Thanks.
2006-08-26 13:49:22
48.   rbj
Maybe, just maybe, Alex is still sick from whatever bug he's had. Even with him having a down year by his standards, he's really only slightly behind Troy Glaus in terms of production for AL 3B.

Man I hate Fox, why don't I get this game on tv.

2006-08-26 13:50:39
49.   randym77
42 I don't think Killabilli is that bad. S/he's critical of A-Rod, yes, but not one of the mindless bashers. If s/he were talking that way about any other player, I doubt anyone would care. They'd just figure s/he didn't care for the player. Big deal. But nothing's that simple when A-Rod is involved.
2006-08-26 13:51:07
50.   JPost
The worst is the retards who don't know that Andy is on the DL and is calling for Joe to start him.
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2006-08-26 13:51:52
51.   kdw
48 One of my pet peeves with Fox -- if a game's not being shown in my area, and they should be able to tell, then let me get it over the internet, which wouldn't hurt Fox.
2006-08-26 13:52:52
52.   randym77
50 And the ones who are demanding that Joe start Miguel Cairo instead of Nick Green.
2006-08-26 13:54:20
53.   Eric
Fasano looked hilarious running down the line, his belly was bouncing all over the place.
2006-08-26 13:55:58
54.   alterity
41 YEs posters are mostly idiots. They all bitch about Goldman, but it seems to me that they never read the articles, or at least try to understand them. They're all, "Stats can mean anything" people (probably from watching Michael Kay).
2006-08-26 13:56:36
55.   JPost
ARod and Jeter are on that list for the trivia question. Prob Bernie too.
2006-08-26 13:58:39
56.   mehmattski
Looks like Santana didn't get the memo... just throw down the middle, he'll swing and miss...
2006-08-26 13:59:08
57.   randym77
A flyout instead of a strikeout or groundout. A good sign, maybe?
2006-08-26 14:00:22
58.   kdw
55 What's the question?
2006-08-26 14:01:39
59.   Sliced Bread
For those who didn't see it, A-Rod had two good swings in that at-bat. His lineout to center was off a sweet swing, actually, just missed it. Props to Santana for putting enough movement on his pitches to keep the Yanks in the park.
That was a good at-bat for A-Rod to build on. Contact.
2006-08-26 14:03:09
60.   Sliced Bread
59 make that to left, not center.
2006-08-26 14:06:45
61.   Mattpat11
Its sad that things have gotten to the point where we're prasing contact.
2006-08-26 14:07:37
62.   Alvaro Espinoza
Nice throw by Sal Mustache to get Cabrera (who looked safe).
2006-08-26 14:09:04
63.   Alvaro Espinoza
2B ump is firmly in the "If-the-throw-beats you-you're-out" camp.
2006-08-26 14:09:41
64.   rbj
61 I did the same thing when Jeter was going through his horrendous slump, what 2 years ago?
2006-08-26 14:10:25
65.   seamus
63 i think cabrera was out, but i also thought abreu was out! :)
2006-08-26 14:13:39
66.   Alvaro Espinoza
65 One thing is for sure: both plays were very close.
2006-08-26 14:15:17
67.   Sliced Bread
A-Rod's contact would not be worth mentioning had he not K'ed 9 times in his previous 11 at-bats. Praise be to contact, solid contact at that, in this case.
2006-08-26 14:15:49
68.   Tarheel
What is the chance the Yankees can come back against this guy?
2006-08-26 14:18:02
69.   Sliced Bread
68 They can wear him down. He can make a mistake pitch. He's got a lot of late movement today, which doesn't help.
2006-08-26 14:18:45
70.   Alvaro Espinoza
68 What are the chances that Lidle can hold them to 3-1?
2006-08-26 14:19:11
71.   Tarheel
Why do most non-red sox pitchers have career days against NY?
2006-08-26 14:20:16
72.   randym77
67 And he got the ball in the air. Several analysts have noted that he's hitting a lot more groundballs and a lot fewer flyballs than he used to. That's why he can't get a runner in from 3B with less than two outs. So getting it on the air in a good sign, IMO.
2006-08-26 14:22:52
73.   Tarheel
72 I still think that playing the majority of the year with little or no protection behind him has really hurt. He just isn't getting a whole lot to hit (except on this west coast trip, it seems). He has been swinging at alot of crap this year just trying to make things happen.
2006-08-26 14:23:14
74.   KBT
Giambi is the slowest human on earth.
2006-08-26 14:23:46
75.   Tarheel
74 I don't know, I think he may be able to beat Fasano in a race.
2006-08-26 14:24:23
76.   Alvaro Espinoza
[73} Not sure if I agree w/ the protection point but you are right about his pitch selection. It has been terrible all year.
2006-08-26 14:24:30
77.   randym77
73 Torre said that's why he moved A-Rod to the two-hole. To give him some protection, and hopefully some better pitches to hit.

And Bernie got a hit off the righty...

2006-08-26 14:24:41
78.   KBT
Here we go, baby!
2006-08-26 14:25:01
79.   Sliced Bread
Cano's funky, man. That's the 2nd time in the past few days that he dove for the slider outside and got a hit. Undisciplined, but Kinda Ichiro'esque.

Yay, Melky 3-2!

2006-08-26 14:26:03
80.   randym77
Way to kill a rally, Sal.
2006-08-26 14:26:20
81.   KBT
Sal was swinging for the fence. That dude makes me laugh just looking at him.
2006-08-26 14:26:21
82.   Tarheel
Is that Stinnet behind that mustache?
2006-08-26 14:26:45
83.   Stormer Sports
My kingdom for a big hit post-Boston.
2006-08-26 14:27:26
84.   KBT
83 No shite!
2006-08-26 14:29:29
85.   KBT
Can Lidle break the 90mph mark?
2006-08-26 14:30:16
86.   randym77
82 No. Stinnett's a better hitter.

Seriously.

Stinnett's average with runners on: .344

Fasano's average with runners on: .217

2006-08-26 14:30:21
87.   Tarheel
I wish that XM would let you chose which broadcast to listen to. These Angel guys suck.
2006-08-26 14:32:09
88.   Sliced Bread
Did I hear Stinnett's on the Mets now or was I dreaming?

85 Maybe if the mound was a few feet higher, and he had a tailwind behind him.

2006-08-26 14:32:44
89.   seamus
86 umm, i'm getting under .200 for stinnet with RISP.
2006-08-26 14:32:46
90.   KBT
Grrr, I freakin hate the halos.
2006-08-26 14:33:11
91.   randym77
88 Yup. Stinnett's a Met now.
2006-08-26 14:33:19
92.   Stormer Sports
Where are all those folks who were calling for the end of interleague play and the unbalanced schedule?

You really want to play these west coast teams more often? Ugh!

2006-08-26 14:33:54
93.   Tarheel
Yankee pitching has looked pretty bad lately. I would love to have a 123 inning for a change.
2006-08-26 14:34:02
94.   Stormer Sports
Game.

Set.

Match.

2006-08-26 14:34:55
95.   randym77
89 Runners on is not the same as RISP.

Fasano with RISP: .100

2006-08-26 14:35:08
96.   Sliced Bread
So. Cal. is just fugging hell for the Yankees.
2006-08-26 14:35:22
97.   Tarheel
Turn out the lights, the party's over.

No way, No way the Yankees score enough to win this game.

2006-08-26 14:35:38
98.   KBT
Wonderful.

And I think Mike Scioscia could outrun Sal and Giambi.

2006-08-26 14:35:55
99.   kdw
Man, this is tough. The Yankees just barely scratching out runs and the Angels scoring pretty easily, at least as far as I can tell from Gameday.
2006-08-26 14:36:40
100.   randym77
We can score enough to catch the Angels. It's only the 4th.

Whether we can keep them from scoring more is the question. :-P

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2006-08-26 14:37:26
101.   Tarheel
I thought that Lidle was supposed pretty good. I wish he had stayed with Philly.

I can't believe I am going to say this but hurry up Carl.

2006-08-26 14:37:43
102.   Stormer Sports
Look, the pitching hasn't been stellar.

However, the Yankees should be able to score at least 6 runs off a guy with an ERA of 4.5, more that 7 or 8 off a guy with an ERA of 5.00+. It's that simple. Given the totality of the teams that those pitchers face, our lineup should best the pitcher's ERA by at least 2 runs on average, and we're not.

It's not the economy stupid, it's the offense!

2006-08-26 14:37:57
103.   KBT
Lidle's dishing up BP. This bites.
2006-08-26 14:38:10
104.   Travis
Imagine how many runs the Angels could score if they never tried to steal, hit-and-run, or squeeze.
2006-08-26 14:38:51
105.   Tarheel
Yay Joe, get that bum out of there!!
2006-08-26 14:39:21
106.   seamus
101 are you kidding me? Lidle was always a league average pitcher and he has overachieved so far with the Yankees. He is having a bad game but for a #4/5 guy, he has improved our depth in our rotation. He is better than Ponson.

But Pavano does look more inviting every day. I am really pulling for him to make a come back and stay healthy.

2006-08-26 14:45:09
107.   Tarheel
Let's go Yankees.......................
2006-08-26 14:45:25
108.   Stormer Sports
Ahhh, however will we strand Damon?
2006-08-26 14:45:41
109.   Tarheel
OK Arod, get a hit, you are the man.
2006-08-26 14:46:23
110.   Mattpat11
A-Rod is so fucking depressing.
2006-08-26 14:46:37
111.   KBT
Arod elevated it! Woo hoo!

Ugh.

2006-08-26 14:46:37
112.   KBT
Arod elevated it! Woo hoo!

Ugh.

2006-08-26 14:46:56
113.   Stormer Sports
It's not that he is making outs. It's that they all seem to be utterly unproductive.
2006-08-26 14:47:47
114.   Tarheel
Yankee pitchers BETTER hit an Angel this inning. It is not like this game is winnable anyway.
2006-08-26 14:47:51
115.   Stormer Sports
Ok. We are probably going to lose this game. That's twice in two days. Someone better plunk Guerrero or I'll be doubly dissapointed with this series.
2006-08-26 14:48:27
116.   Sliced Bread
Hey, let's not go Mad Dog on Lidle. He made a bad pitch. Expected for who he is. He has an unfortunate matchup. Yanks need a few breaks and we're back in this.

C'mon Rod!

2006-08-26 14:49:13
117.   Tarheel
113 It almost makes you think that his 93 rbi is a typo.
2006-08-26 14:49:37
118.   randym77
Giambi up with two on. It ain't over yet.
2006-08-26 14:49:44
119.   KBT
115 Screw Vlad, plunk Friggins or Anderson.
2006-08-26 14:49:57
120.   Sliced Bread
Big at-bat here for Giambi. Let's go Jason!
2006-08-26 14:50:01
121.   Simone
101 You should have stopped at "the pitching hasn't been stellar" because that explains most the Yankees' struggles.

That being said, the Yankees are at the end of a 20 game consecutive stretch so it shouldn't be surprising if the offensive is slowing out out of exhaustion.

2006-08-26 14:50:21
122.   3rd gen yankee fan
How badly did Jeter get hit?
2006-08-26 14:51:13
123.   Stormer Sports
So, the shoelaces are the bottom of the strike zone today?
2006-08-26 14:51:55
124.   Tarheel
121 How many hours per day do ballplayers "work"? I'll bet you put in as many hrs per week as they do.
2006-08-26 14:52:32
125.   Tarheel
Giambino!!
2006-08-26 14:52:50
126.   Stormer Sports
121

That may be true for the Angels, but the Yankees should not have to win games 5-2, 3-2, 1-0.

2006-08-26 14:53:03
127.   randym77
Nice work, Jase.
2006-08-26 14:53:09
128.   Sliced Bread
Giambi is the best hitter on the New York Yankees.
2006-08-26 14:53:36
129.   3rd gen yankee fan
WOOOHOO!!!
2006-08-26 14:54:10
130.   randym77
122 He got hit pretty solidly, but it was on the upper arm, which is a pretty good place to get hit if you have to be.
2006-08-26 14:54:19
131.   KBT
121 Exhaustion? Kind of an overstatement, don't ya think? 4 or 5 AB per night shouldn't exhaust a pro athelete.
2006-08-26 14:54:48
132.   3rd gen yankee fan
130 True, thanks.
2006-08-26 14:55:03
133.   Tarheel
Well, I guess this means we will have to wait to see one of the Angels plunked.
2006-08-26 14:55:09
134.   BklynBmr
Maurice Clarett: "Robbie just needed to 'get his Goose on'..."
2006-08-26 14:56:06
135.   Mattpat11
Well that was different.
2006-08-26 14:56:50
136.   Tarheel
Robbie was probably trying to get a Gatorade endorsement. He probably thought that if he got a hit after that Keith Jackson would be talking about him on the commercials next week.
2006-08-26 14:58:07
137.   KBT
133 And we'll have to wait a few innings to see one of the non-plunked Halos win it in the 9th.
2006-08-26 15:00:17
138.   KBT
137 ..assuming we take the lead, of course.
2006-08-26 15:00:19
139.   Sliced Bread
Sweet love of hardball! After the message pitch from Bruney, Vlad bails and grounds out. Yes, you read correctly, Vlad bailed on the pitch. When was the last time a Yankee pitcher made a hitter like Vlad bail?
2006-08-26 15:00:35
140.   Tarheel
Bruney's got balls!!!
2006-08-26 15:00:48
141.   BklynBmr
Finally. An enforcer on the Yankee staff...
2006-08-26 15:00:49
142.   Mattpat11
There we go.
2006-08-26 15:01:16
143.   Stormer Sports
I love you Brian Bruney! No surprise to see Jorge barking.

It's about fucking time one of our pitchers grew some balls.

2006-08-26 15:01:28
144.   randym77
Oh, boy. Warnings issued.
2006-08-26 15:01:32
145.   KBT
Just take your base, pussy Rivera, he could have ear-holed ya!
2006-08-26 15:02:28
146.   BklynBmr
Juan was smart to stay in the box. Bruney's neck is too thick. You don't rush those guys...
2006-08-26 15:02:31
147.   Tarheel
I love Bruney!!!!!!!
2006-08-26 15:02:36
148.   KBT
145 Oops, I thought it hit him.
2006-08-26 15:03:19
149.   randym77
Does Bruney have balls, or is he just wild?
2006-08-26 15:03:47
150.   Stormer Sports
Look, the Angels don't get to bark about anything. Mike Scocsia has his pitchers using vaseline and every other substance he can find out there, he bitches about every call, and they are notorious for retaliation.

Not to mention that anyone who threatens Frank Robinson with physical harm should have his feet nailed to the dugout bench with railroad spikes! Mikey is a p-p-p-p-pussy to be sure.

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2006-08-26 15:04:05
151.   BklynBmr
[Nelson] Ah-ha! [/Nelson]
2006-08-26 15:04:53
152.   Sliced Bread
Bruney throws behind Juan. Bruney gives Juan a shave. Bruney K's Juan. Sliced Bread loves Bruney. Sit down, Angels! Sweet love of hardball!
2006-08-26 15:05:26
153.   KBT
150 Didn't Scioscia say that the Angels "don't play that way" after the bench clearer last week?
2006-08-26 15:05:28
154.   kdw
Woo-hoo, a bullpen keeper! Gotta love Bruney coming in and making a statement.
2006-08-26 15:06:19
155.   3rd gen yankee fan
Nice. I'm down wit Bruney.
2006-08-26 15:06:58
156.   BklynBmr
154 Cap'll buy him a big 'ol honkin' steak tonight...
2006-08-26 15:07:09
157.   Sliced Bread
Prediction: Posada figures into the win today. Yes, you read correctly, "win."
2006-08-26 15:07:17
158.   KBT
Bernie!
2006-08-26 15:07:29
159.   BklynBmr
Anyone get the feelin' the Bombers just woke up?
2006-08-26 15:08:24
160.   Stormer Sports
153

Exactly! At least Guillen knows when things need to be taken care of. Scoscia was a bad overrated player and he is now a bad whining manager. I don't believe for one second that he had nothing to do wiht Donnely's cheating. I won't even throw out Mike's playing stats, because that's too embarassing even for him.

2006-08-26 15:09:00
161.   Sliced Bread
The Bronx Bruneys!

Man, Juan looks like a mutt throwing the ball from right.

2006-08-26 15:09:42
162.   randym77
157 Wow, you're psychic. ;-)
2006-08-26 15:09:45
163.   KBT
157 Nostradamus!
2006-08-26 15:10:58
164.   BklynBmr
"Put that in context"? WTF does that mean?
2006-08-26 15:11:04
165.   Stormer Sports
Now, when Joe should be barking, he's not.
2006-08-26 15:11:41
166.   KBT
157 Dude!
2006-08-26 15:11:49
167.   BklynBmr
157 You rock, Sliced!
2006-08-26 15:12:01
168.   Stormer Sports
I'll take it. No HBP after all....:)
2006-08-26 15:12:43
169.   3rd gen yankee fan
YES!!!
2006-08-26 15:12:53
170.   Stormer Sports
Please don't just delay the inevitable though. We need more runs, lots more!
2006-08-26 15:13:28
171.   Sliced Bread
I love Posada.

I love Bruney. See the love he got in the dugout. Gator loves that, and Gator never hit anybody.

Damon keeps missing doubles. He's due.

2006-08-26 15:13:31
172.   KBT
Sliced, should I buy a lottery ticket today? Gettin' any feelings on that?
2006-08-26 15:13:37
173.   kdw
157 Any more predictions you'd like to make?
2006-08-26 15:14:33
174.   Stormer Sports
172

Just play the Yankees retired numbers, and hope for the best.

2006-08-26 15:17:09
175.   Mattpat11
Oh Jesus
2006-08-26 15:18:01
176.   KBT
174 7 15 23 44...I'm not sharing though.
2006-08-26 15:18:32
177.   seamus
arod is swining at bad pitches and taking good pitches. He is largely a guess hitter and I think he is over thinking. But that is just that, conjecture.
2006-08-26 15:18:36
178.   Sliced Bread
Bitches never should have hit Jeter. Ballgame on again. Thank you Bruney, Bernie, Giambi, Posada.
2006-08-26 15:19:44
179.   BklynBmr
Interesting piece in yesterday's SF Chron on construction of today's bats:

KNOCK ON WOOD
Maple gives new meaning to the crack of the bat

http://tinyurl.com/ffz5m

2006-08-26 15:20:11
180.   Alvaro Espinoza
177 Don't sell yourself short. It's FACT. He couldn't have looked worse there if he had actually tried to strike out. Oh, well, it's not like he hadn't seen Santana's pitches in 3 previous AB's today.
2006-08-26 15:20:31
181.   KBT
{deflated tire sound}

pssssssssssssss

2006-08-26 15:20:34
182.   Stormer Sports
Fuck me!

Just don't score anymore Yanks. Don't toy with my feelings, just lose and be done with it.

2006-08-26 15:21:36
183.   seamus
180 he looked bad, that may be fact. But the rest is conjecture.
2006-08-26 15:22:54
184.   kdw
Uh-oh, can anyone with a TV describe the HBP?
2006-08-26 15:23:27
185.   Sliced Bread
Not to worry. Yanks are hungry for this one. What a ballgame!
2006-08-26 15:23:32
186.   Stormer Sports
184

It just grazed his shoulder.

2006-08-26 15:24:34
187.   randym77
184 He was trying to go inside, and it was further inside than he wanted. No one was ejected.

Though I am wondering if Bruney was just wild, not trying to get revenge. IIRC, the knock on him is that he has control problems.

2006-08-26 15:24:45
188.   Stormer Sports
How a team that could not even compete in the NL West has our number is beyond me.
2006-08-26 15:25:21
189.   randym77
Villone again????
2006-08-26 15:25:56
190.   Stormer Sports
187

I had him on my fantasy team while he was in Arizona. Take my word for it, unless Guidry can work some majic, Bruney just isn't that good. At least not yet.

2006-08-26 15:26:05
191.   KBT
Yes Jorgie!
2006-08-26 15:26:13
192.   randym77
Posada guns down another one.
2006-08-26 15:26:25
193.   Sliced Bread
I don't like Villone in the bullpen. Nothing personal, but we need heat.
Farnswacker and Mo or bust.

Posada guns 'em down! I love Posada.

2006-08-26 15:27:13
194.   Sliced Bread
Villone is okay for a batter, but heat will win this one.
2006-08-26 15:27:17
195.   seamus
190 he is real young and is not good yet, but he isn't all that far from being there. doesn't mean he'll get there though.
2006-08-26 15:27:38
196.   monkeypants
How bad would these games look if the Angels didn't repeatedly squander runners?
2006-08-26 15:27:43
197.   Stormer Sports
The 7th would be a perfect time to use Farns, and make him go 2 for God's sake. What are we paying him so much for otherwise?
2006-08-26 15:28:00
198.   seamus
villone should go on the DL. Torre-itis!
2006-08-26 15:28:10
199.   randym77
I don't like Villone because he threw 30 pitches last night.
2006-08-26 15:29:46
200.   Stormer Sports
Torre treats Farns and Mo with kid gloves but doesn't mind kicking Proctor and Villone like stray dogs.
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2006-08-26 15:29:48
201.   kdw
186, 187 Thanks.
2006-08-26 15:30:02
202.   SF Yanks
Bruney aint all that bad, I wonder why there wasn't that much talk about him before. I know he gives up a lot of walks but he seems to have good stuff. Isn't he fairly young too?
2006-08-26 15:30:14
203.   BklynBmr
188 I definitely do not want to see these pukes again in the post season for at least 10 years. Let the rosters turn over a few times...

The city, the fans, the noise sticks, the rally monkey, the I-5... please. I'd rather visit the Metrodome...

2006-08-26 15:30:41
204.   Sliced Bread
Yo, Bruney's the nuts. That was fantastic. He and Giambi woke up the Yanks.
2006-08-26 15:31:13
205.   BklynBmr
Safe!
2006-08-26 15:33:02
206.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
any word on how the other reliever project Jesus Colome is going in Columbus ? The guy tosses gas as hard as Farnsworth...
2006-08-26 15:35:30
207.   BklynBmr
Man, Bobby moves down that line quick for a big guy...
2006-08-26 15:36:09
208.   Mattpat11
Why is Giambi out of the game?
2006-08-26 15:36:49
209.   Tarheel
What the hell is wrong with Giambi now?

Man, is he fragile.

2006-08-26 15:37:19
210.   Stormer Sports
208

Because Joe doesn't see a pitching change coming a fucking mile away!

2006-08-26 15:38:29
211.   KBT
Is Posada now tied for the MLB lead in caught-stealing throw-outs? I'm having trouble finding that stat.
2006-08-26 15:38:44
212.   randym77
Pinch-running Wilson for Giambi?

The Fox announcers say it's because Giambi's numbers against lefties aren't that great.

I find this rather strange.

And the Angels swap pitchers, and Guiel is now pinch hitting for Wilson.

2006-08-26 15:39:20
213.   3rd gen yankee fan
179 "There's talk at baseball's highest level that something might need to be done about these dangerous projectiles {maple bats}."

Yeah but NO talk about how antiquated blackout rules prevent fans from seeing games! Oh please protect me from the harsh cold dangerous world! After all they call it pussyball not baseball! :-/

Thanks for the article, one more thing to be pissed at Selig about...

2006-08-26 15:39:33
214.   BklynBmr
Great. The big bat is out of the lineup in a one run game. This won't sound right, but I hope it's physical vs 'managerial'...
2006-08-26 15:40:41
215.   Sliced Bread
I'm sorry, I just had a stroke. Wh-wh-wh-wh-where's J-J-J-J-ason?
2006-08-26 15:41:07
216.   tocho
Guiel/Wilson

are they twins?

2006-08-26 15:41:59
217.   randym77
206 Colome hasn't impressed me that much. His last time out, he pitched two innings, gave up a hit and three walks. Had one strikeout. His ERA is 3.81.
2006-08-26 15:42:54
218.   randym77
216 Mirror twins. One's right handed, one's left handed. ;-)
2006-08-26 15:44:09
219.   tocho
214 has to be physical. jason was grabing his leg on second base after that double.

218 who's the better twin?

2006-08-26 15:44:52
220.   tocho
I'm chanelling Obi-wan here.

"I have a bad feeling about this"

2006-08-26 15:45:24
221.   Coco Loco
219 agreed re: physical. Even Joe isn't that dumb to pull Giambi against a lefty with an era above 7.
2006-08-26 15:45:58
222.   tocho
220 that's channeling
2006-08-26 15:45:58
223.   3rd gen yankee fan
220 That was Han Solo said that.
2006-08-26 15:46:01
224.   BklynBmr
219 Thanks, I didn't catch that.
2006-08-26 15:46:07
225.   Travis
The Giambi for Wilson move reminds me of this:

"Darryl Strawberry: You're pinch-hitting for me?

Mr Burns: Yes, you see you're a left-hander and so is the pitcher. If I send up a right-handed batter it's called 'playing the percentages.' It's what smart managers do to win ballgames.

Darryl Strawberry: But I hit nine home runs today.

Mr Burns: You should be very proud of yourself. Sit down."

2006-08-26 15:46:58
226.   Sliced Bread
Well, let's win this one for the Giambi, guys.
2006-08-26 15:47:14
227.   Tarheel
Better hope Seattle plays well tonight.
2006-08-26 15:48:04
228.   randym77
219 Probably Wilson. We traded for him, after all, while Guiel was picked off the Royals' trash heap. He's also four years younger than Guiel.
2006-08-26 15:48:07
229.   mehmattski
223 In the original Star Wars (Episode 4), yes. But a variety of characters say it through the rest of the movies, including the young Obi-wan in Episode 1.
2006-08-26 15:48:21
230.   tocho
223 I knew I had to watch those movies again. 56 times is not enough (although I have the image in my head of Ewan McGregor saying that)
2006-08-26 15:49:36
231.   3rd gen yankee fan
229 Oh god. I bleached my brain after that flick.
2006-08-26 15:49:56
232.   BklynBmr
213 LOL! I'm sure Selig will be all over this, just like his leadership on the 'roid issue. Man, what a weasel. Who the hell was the first guy to ever buy a car from Segig and encourage him? That's the neck I'd like to get my hands around...
2006-08-26 15:51:09
233.   Tarheel
Relievers that walk batters should be taken out back and have their asses kicked.
2006-08-26 15:51:58
234.   Coco Loco
233 particularly when they do it with Vlad on deck.
2006-08-26 15:52:07
235.   seamus
i;m not sure dotel is ready for back to back action.
2006-08-26 15:52:18
236.   Stormer Sports
This just in: Dotel is bad.
2006-08-26 15:53:10
237.   Tarheel
236 Yea, I thought he was supposed to be some type of savior this year. He blows.
2006-08-26 15:53:51
238.   BklynBmr
$#@&!

Is it me or does this seem like the back end of a day-night doubleheader already?

2006-08-26 15:53:59
239.   KBT
Have I mentioned I hate the Halos?

Someone pass me the Paxil.

2006-08-26 15:54:11
240.   randym77
Dotel's not ready, but since he's taking up a roster spot, they have to use him. They brought him up too soon.

But I gotta say, Johnny D's been doing some goofy things in the outfield lately.

2006-08-26 15:54:25
241.   Travis
From Gameday: "New York Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi left the game due to an injured hand/wrist."
2006-08-26 15:54:30
242.   JeremyM
I hate the Angels.

I hate Cabrera and Anderson and Erstad and Rodriguez and all those guys. I hate that they always find ways to beat the Yankees in the most infuriating way possible.

I hate their name. I hate that singing cowboy that used to own them. I hate that Reggie Jackson wore their uniform. Hell, I hate that Bo Jackson wore their uniform.

I hate Tony Danza and Danny Glover and Christopher Lloyd and that cheesy kid for starring in a lame movie about them. I hate Disney. I hate Anaheim, Los Angelese, California, and Los Angeles of Anaheim.

I hate thundersticks. I hate their nickname. I hate their fat manager. I hate both of the Weaver brothers.

I hate Shawn being spelled 'Chone.' I hate Figgins and his 6 different gloves. I hate that he's called a sparkplug. I hate that Juan Rivera has 'arrived' as an Angel.

I hate the Angels.

2006-08-26 15:54:52
243.   seamus
236 237 neither of those are rational posts. The guy is coming off of tommy john surgery. You thought he would be dominant from the start?
2006-08-26 15:54:54
244.   Stormer Sports
Well, once Vlad scores, the game will be out of reach and we can all do something more productive tonight.
2006-08-26 15:55:30
245.   monkeypants
235 I was just going to remind you of our discussion about Dotel's readiness a couple of threads ago. To be fair, Vlad did hit a tough pitch. The walk and wild pitch were pretty ugly.

Damon played that double into a triple.

2006-08-26 15:56:00
246.   Tarheel
This sucks. I am really beginning to wonder if the Yanks will win the division. They have played like shit, save the Sox series, since the 1st Baltimore series in Aug.
2006-08-26 15:56:10
247.   Eirias
The Angels make me want to break things.
2006-08-26 15:56:13
248.   Sliced Bread
Dotel was pitching scared last night, and again today. I would not have put him in this game.
After the Yanks got back in this one, heat and muscle were required to win it.
Can't do anything about losing Jason other than pray it is not serious.
Farnswacker should have come in.
Pretty much need good luck and a miracle at this point.

Vlad's a great hitter, but he dogged it out of the box. These sluggers these days. I'll never forget how Bruney made him bail. That was beautiful.
Juan's a mutt in right, too. F these effin Angels.

2006-08-26 15:56:22
249.   seamus
245 i don't think he should have pitched today.
2006-08-26 15:56:41
250.   3rd gen yankee fan
243 Is the pen so bad off that they have to use a guy who's obviously not ready?
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2006-08-26 15:57:22
251.   randym77
I liked the original version of "Angels in the Outfield." It was about the Pittburgh Pirates, not the Angels.
2006-08-26 15:57:49
252.   monkeypants
243 You're right, BUT...he has been rehabbing all year, and now Torre is using him in sensitive situations. Either he's ready or he's not. Why are they experimenting in ninth inning tied games or seventh inning one-run games?
2006-08-26 15:58:31
253.   Stormer Sports
Christ!

What good is Farnsworth. Keeping Myers in to face a righty speaks volumes of Farny's shortcomings.

2006-08-26 15:58:32
254.   seamus
250 the pen has had a weak point all season which is why proctor and villone have been overused. Dotel has looked ok but he has pitched twice on back to back days and both times has looked awful on day 2 both times. he needs a little more strength before he can do that.
2006-08-26 15:59:14
255.   seamus
252 you have to use him sometime. but not both times. i entirely agree he should not have been in there today.
2006-08-26 15:59:26
256.   BklynBmr
242 I hate the fact that you left nothing for me to contribute. You covered it all.
2006-08-26 15:59:27
257.   Tarheel
Why did they pick up a guy that just had that surgery?
2006-08-26 16:00:55
258.   Tarheel
I wish that Jorge would have kicked Rivera's ass right there when he came up to bat.
2006-08-26 16:01:16
259.   mehmattski
254 I must disagree there... the starters have put up an ERA of 4.60, more than half a run higher than the relievers, at 3.90. Both are middle of the pack in the majors (11 and 9, respectively)
2006-08-26 16:01:29
260.   monkeypants
257 It was a good gamble. It's just apparent that Dotel is not really ready to face MLB hitting yet.
2006-08-26 16:01:44
261.   KBT
I want to smack Scioscia's fat moon face and misspell his name on purpose.
2006-08-26 16:02:03
262.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Kendrick a triple away from the cycle?
2006-08-26 16:03:23
263.   KBT
The whole miserable team seems about a hit from the cycle.
2006-08-26 16:04:00
264.   Stormer Sports
262

And 6 outs away from a sweep. Oakland must be thrilled that we don't play Anaheim more often.

Game.

Set.

Match.

2006-08-26 16:04:21
265.   monkeypants
Interesting tandem, that Dotel-Myers/Meyers-Dotel bridge. At least Torre didn't 'waste' Rivera today, so he'll be even more rested.
2006-08-26 16:04:24
266.   KBT
I can't take it. Time for heavy drinking.
2006-08-26 16:04:38
267.   Sliced Bread
253 I think it has more to do with Joe's trust. Farns would have fed into the fire Bruney started. That's where the Yanks had the Angels today.
Heat and muscle, that's what it was coming down to before the timid looking Dotel came in. I understand why Joe wanted him to "get back on the bike" after he fell last night, but this was not the game for that. Heat and muscle were required, not the best situation for Octavio.
2006-08-26 16:04:44
268.   Stormer Sports
Well, clearly Joe conceded this game, so I expect the offense to do the same.
2006-08-26 16:05:20
269.   Tarheel
I guess Meyers is taking one for the team now. Joe has given up in the 7th.
2006-08-26 16:05:55
270.   Stormer Sports
Salt in the wound.
2006-08-26 16:07:10
271.   tocho
242 Amen. (I don't hate disney though)

a few more:

I hate their announcers "the angels are just not afraid of the yankees". that's the most stupid statement in the history of broadcasting. No team can be afraid of another team.

I hate that they play like idiots v other teams (they could not score any runs v the blowsox) and like professionals v the yanks.

I hate that Vlad is sick good.

I hate that the only time I went to Yankee Stadium this year (I live in Mexico) the yanks lost v the angels.

I hate their stupid stadium with the fake rocks and the "special" effects.

I hate that they keep on churning young pitchers.

I hate that they have the ugliest players with stupid names (Vlad, Chone, Maicer, Howie, Lackey, Aybar, Willits)

I hate that they will sweep the yanks just to get that big fat smile we all had last Monday (seems like a month ago we swept the bosox 5-0)

2006-08-26 16:09:11
272.   BklynBmr
Screw it. Exit the stadium right now. Go back to the hotel, pack the bags and charter a flight back to the Boogie Down tonight. Forfeit tomorrow and we won't see this God forsaken place until next year. An extra day's rest for everyone. It will be worth it. Trust me.
2006-08-26 16:09:11
273.   Alvaro Espinoza
271 Two "I hate the Angels" posts and not one mention of the rally monkey??? ;-)
2006-08-26 16:10:52
274.   tocho
273 don't hate the monkey, hate the game...
2006-08-26 16:11:54
275.   JeremyM
273 I'm burying my head in shame over that oversight...

Let me also add that I hate that they are going to sweep the Yankees. Yuck.

2006-08-26 16:12:13
276.   randym77
273 Well, with their four-run lead, we won't be seeing the @#$% monkey today.
2006-08-26 16:12:25
277.   Stormer Sports
Go Seattle!
2006-08-26 16:12:27
278.   tocho
get ready for the a-rod GS
2006-08-26 16:15:08
279.   monkeypants
Who's the losing pitcher tomorrow?
2006-08-26 16:15:38
280.   BklynBmr
Johnny, why are you doing this to me?
2006-08-26 16:17:01
281.   randym77
279 Karstens. Or Saunders.
2006-08-26 16:17:57
282.   tocho
279 It WILL be Karstens.

Johny "keep the faith" damon stat-padding there.

A-rod, just please get on base. I know you can do it.

2006-08-26 16:18:21
283.   BklynBmr
A-Rod HR here...
2006-08-26 16:18:28
284.   Tarheel
Arod must lead the league in having to face a new pitcher.
2006-08-26 16:18:35
285.   monkeypants
281 Thanks. I forgot the rotation.
2006-08-26 16:18:39
286.   Stormer Sports
ESPN saying Pavano may start Thursday?

Damon. You're just toying with me.

2006-08-26 16:19:00
287.   randym77
282 Not like you to be so pessimistic. o_O
2006-08-26 16:19:13
288.   tocho
a-rod should definitely grow the 'stache
2006-08-26 16:19:47
289.   Alvaro Espinoza
Well, at least Shileds and K-rod won't be available tmrw. File under: very sender silver lining.

Unless the Bombers come back...

2006-08-26 16:19:54
290.   JeremyM
286 I hope so. I can not stand another Wright start. He had his run, but he is done.
2006-08-26 16:20:30
291.   Alvaro Espinoza
289 slender, not sender
2006-08-26 16:21:39
292.   Mattpat11
A-Rod is so discouraging.
2006-08-26 16:22:36
293.   monkeypants
FOX announcers discuss at length A-Rod changing bats. Maybe he could try using no bat?
2006-08-26 16:23:03
294.   Tarheel
I honestly feel like Arod should sit out a couple of games. He looks like a rookie out there.
2006-08-26 16:23:11
295.   pmarcig
I'd rather sit on tacks then watch another A-Rod at bat. I can't believe someone so good could be slumping so bad.
2006-08-26 16:23:57
296.   tocho
287 I know, but see 271

these stupid monkey-loving bastards have the yanks' number, big time

2006-08-26 16:24:19
297.   Tarheel
Really though, 7 runs scored should be a plenty to win a game. THe pitching is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-08-26 16:24:23
298.   Alvaro Espinoza
293 What would be the difference???

(OH SNAP!!!)

Relax, j/k...

2006-08-26 16:25:00
299.   yankeeinjapan
strike 3 swinging! At least there were no baserunners to strand for A-Rod.
2006-08-26 16:25:09
300.   Tarheel
Villone? WTF?!
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2006-08-26 16:25:12
301.   JeremyM
I hate to even broach this, but is there any chance this is PED-related? I've never, ever thought of him as being a user but this is almost Giambi-like. Or have the boos and unrealistic expectations (or at the very least very high) just eaten away his confidence?
2006-08-26 16:25:47
302.   tocho
293 maybe a tennis racket
2006-08-26 16:25:49
303.   Sliced Bread
Yo, ye of little faith! It's rally time Yankees style!

K-Rod's toast!

2006-08-26 16:25:52
304.   Zack
Soooo, anyone still "not worried" about the Yanks and allowing them a free pass? This will now be 5 out of 6. Granted, most of us KNEW this would happen after the Sox series and against these teams, but come on, this isn't good...
2006-08-26 16:26:36
305.   tocho
villone is out of gas
2006-08-26 16:27:47
306.   Tarheel
301 Don't even go there. No way he is a user (or past user). Arod needs to quit trying to absolutely kill everything and just try to get hits. He looks like he is swinging for the fenses on every swing.
2006-08-26 16:28:37
307.   tocho
don't talk to jeter shawn/chone/sean/shhawwwn. just get your base and shut-up
2006-08-26 16:29:15
308.   Alvaro Espinoza
Hey, Ron, let Figgins run silly. If you get the guys w/ the bats, any SB's means nothing.
2006-08-26 16:30:07
309.   Alvaro Espinoza
Sigh...
2006-08-26 16:30:11
310.   monkeypants
What is the frigging problem with ths team in this park? Nice WP.
2006-08-26 16:30:57
311.   Travis
304 5 out of 6? Have they lost tomorrow already too?
2006-08-26 16:31:38
312.   BklynBmr
On A-Rod: By his standards, a bad year. Fuggitaboutit. Write this one off as a total stinker. Smart money says he's back with a vengeance next year.

That said — everyone get off his ass and have absolutely no expectation of any success on any level for the rest of the year. When he comes through, react as you would if Fasano just hit a walk off grand slam in the 17th inning. You'll be much saner for it. In case no one has noticed, the team has responded regardless of who is in or out of the lineup for a while now. We can carry a subpar A-Rod, too. We'll be OK...

2006-08-26 16:32:16
313.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
So I guess Mo is never going to pirch again?
2006-08-26 16:32:52
314.   monkeypants
Lyons: "The Angels are overly aggressive on the bases, and that's part of the reason Figgins is on third."

???

Let me see, a walk, sac bunt, WP. How does that demonstrate (over)aggression?

No need to woory. He's not on third anymore.

2006-08-26 16:32:55
315.   BayRidger
Hey, what's another run among friends? No big deal, just keep letting them score...bullpen is shot.
2006-08-26 16:33:31
316.   JeremyM
What was that word that someone invented earlier this year? Let me see...oh yes...Sturtzed. That would be Villone.
2006-08-26 16:34:27
317.   randym77
304 I've said since the Boston sweep that I thought it meant the Sox really suck, not that we're that good. They got swept by the Royals, too, and I suspect it wasn't a fluke.

This means, setting aside the five-game aberration in Boston, we are 7 for 17 since the Baltimore series at the beginning of the month. A .411 team.

I really don't understand it. We'd won something like 9 out of 11 series before that. Since then, we've won two out of six. Soon to be two out of seven. You'd think adding Abreu, Lidle, and Wilson would improve the team, but somehow, it hasn't. Perhaps we're too one-dimensional again.

And I think they are tired. Both Melky and Damon looked bad in the outfield today. I think they need some rest.

Maybe it will help when rosters expand.

2006-08-26 16:35:03
318.   monkeypants
Good thing Torre didn't 'waste' Mo last game.
2006-08-26 16:35:10
319.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
What would have been the harm in giving Mo, who hasn't pitched in 5 friggin days, an inning of work here, keep it a 2-run game, give the offense a chance in the 9th.

But no . . .

2006-08-26 16:36:16
320.   Alvaro Espinoza
Security to the bat rack!!!
2006-08-26 16:36:18
321.   Mattpat11
316 "Sturtzed" is the BIGGEST bullshit anti-Torre piece of crap I've ever heard. It implies that the reason that Tanyon Sturtze is a bad pitcher is because of Joe Torre.

The man was a terrible pitcher his whole career, but he "figured it out" and EVIL Joe Torre ruined him.

2006-08-26 16:36:54
322.   Mattpat11
I hate repeatedly losing to this fucking team.
2006-08-26 16:38:05
323.   JeremyM
317 I think part of it is people really underestimated what Mussina and Wang were doing for this team. Those guys were taking the ball and throwing solid 7 inning games for a long stretch there. Having Moose fade a bit and then go on the shelf has really hurt.

But it's too soon to throw the towel in. All teams have stretches like this, even the 96 and 98-2000 squads.

2006-08-26 16:38:28
324.   BklynBmr
Just need a 5 run homer. No problem...
2006-08-26 16:39:00
325.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
A Kennedy grandslam would eb the icing on the cake. I'm almost rooting for it.
2006-08-26 16:40:13
326.   Sliced Bread
Rally time.
2006-08-26 16:40:39
327.   monkeypants
{322] I agree. Now, a team is gonna take its lumps now and then (like today). What fries me more is the loss of three winnable games against the Angels and Mariners, and Torre's kooky decisions in those same games.
2006-08-26 16:40:47
328.   JeremyM
316 Does Karsayed work better:)
2006-08-26 16:40:59
329.   alterity
321 How about Quantrilled? Or Gordoned? Sturtzed just sounds better, but you're right.
2006-08-26 16:41:10
330.   Simone
321 Exactly.
2006-08-26 16:41:21
331.   Zack
321 Actually, Sturtzed implies that Torre pitches someone until their arm falls off, a la Sturtze, or someone who showed a flash of possibly looking good for a bit, was then pitched until he regressed, and worse, until he was DL'd. It is anti-Torre, for how he uses the BP, but it ain't BS...
2006-08-26 16:41:52
332.   tocho
this is tough on villone. he's finally having some success and torre lets him pitch in boston 156 thousand innings.

its not his fault.

anyway, i hope this team can get it together starting on Tuesday. They should just concede tomorrow's game, get on the flight back to NY and prepare the series v the Tigers. I expect them to be 3 to 4 games ahead in the division on Tuesday.

That's not bad, a week ago I would not have predicted they would be 3 or 4 ahead after the boston series and this road trip.

the real race for the east begins on Tuesday.

2006-08-26 16:42:01
333.   randym77
323 I am not throwing in the towel. Are you kidding? After all we went through this year, with all those injuries? After that brutal stretch last year, when every game for a month was like a playoff game?

No way am I throwing in the towel. I just think there are things that need fixing. Starting pitching, defense, and the bench. The bullpen is okay, and the offense is fine.

2006-08-26 16:42:24
334.   Simone
327 Oh please, that is the lament of every single game that the Yankees lose.
2006-08-26 16:42:40
335.   Zack
311 5 out of 6 series...my bad...
2006-08-26 16:43:29
336.   Simone
333 I completely agree. There is no need to panic. The Yankees' starting pitching is the weakness of this team, but that may turn around in a week or so.
2006-08-26 16:43:59
337.   JeremyM
323 I didn't mean that personally or that anyone had thrown it in, I was just thinking "out loud." Or something.
2006-08-26 16:44:52
338.   Sliced Bread
Maybe you didn't hear me.

RALLY TIME!!

K-Rod's toast!!

2006-08-26 16:46:14
339.   monkeypants
334 No, sorry. You can look at old game threads--there are specific points where Torre made awful decisions that did not give his team the best chance to win (last night, not using Rivera). You don't know if the team will have won, true. But those are the games that irritate me the most.

But today? Ugly, but there is not much you can do when every pitcher gives up runs.

2006-08-26 16:47:44
340.   JeremyM
Didn't they score like 9 runs against them in one inning last year? I thought the demons had been excorsised after that game.
2006-08-26 16:48:44
341.   Sliced Bread
338 !!!!
2006-08-26 16:49:31
342.   monkeypants
Man, is that about the fifth high chopper this series? That IF must be like black top.
2006-08-26 16:50:36
343.   tocho
any chance of a melky GS?

anybody? anybody?

I thought so....

2006-08-26 16:51:34
344.   BayRidger
343. They need a walk and a GS, a Melky GS wouldn't do much good.
2006-08-26 16:52:58
345.   Sliced Bread
Ah, we'll get 'em tomorrow.
Great game for a while there.
2006-08-26 16:54:17
346.   Simone
Eh, the Yankees will take tomorrow's game.
2006-08-26 16:55:32
347.   tocho
just to sum it up, here are a few more.

I hate the angels' fans (get up, cheer, now you can sit down. get up, thundersticks, now sit down. get up, monkey, now sit down)

I hate K-rod and his fist pumping, screaming, mouth open act after getting 3 outs before the opposing team scores 5 runs.

I hate watching these games and not having the sense of turning off the TV.

I hate these road trips (I feel I have jet-lag).

I hate ...

2006-08-26 16:58:41
348.   BklynBmr
Law of averages sez Yanks win in a snoozer tomorrow...

p.s. I hate all things Los Angeles of Anaheim of Orange County South of Hawaiian Gardens and east of the 605 related.

2006-08-26 17:02:11
349.   randym77
348 Except we're starting Jeff Karstens. Who was pitching in Trenton not that long ago.
2006-08-26 17:05:59
350.   BklynBmr
349 No matter. We could start Keff Jarstens. Math is math ;-)
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2006-08-26 17:22:40
351.   JL25and3
348 The law of averages doesn't believe in "due." The chance of winning tomorrow didn't increase by losing today.
2006-08-26 17:43:32
352.   rbj
Well, now that wasn't very good, now was it. Glad I didn't see it or "watch" it on the computer. Me thinks that A-Rod is still not healthy from that virus.
2006-08-26 17:53:39
353.   randym77
I think they're all tired. Not just from the Boston series, but from 21 games in 20 days, and no days off. They finally get a day off Monday. Maybe that will help.
2006-08-26 18:14:10
354.   randym77
Giambi was pulled from the game due to dehydration. He was cramping up.

Cano needed water while he was batting because he choked on sunflower seed.

2006-08-26 18:24:58
355.   Stormer Sports
Go Seattle!
2006-08-26 18:38:25
356.   Stormer Sports
How the hell is Minnesota playing the way there are without Liriano?

If he comes back, and we win the east, kiss that series goodbye. It looks like Liriano will pitch again beginning mid to late Sep.

Liriano and Santana and Mauer Oh My!

I changed my mind. I think the wild card should be able to play a division rival in the ALDS, well, at least this year.

2006-08-26 19:34:32
357.   kdw
Anyone watching the Twins/White Sox game? Speaking of close and late, Dye just hit a 2-run HR off Nathan to tie the game in the bottom of the 9th. Wow, it was a total no-doubter.
2006-08-26 20:16:58
358.   Stormer Sports
I watched it. It was a bomb.

Of note, although the Sox are in a closer race, was that both managers went to their closers, although neither was lights out, they did the right thing. They didn't trot out Ron Villone, Brian Bruney and Octavio Dotel in close game.

Joe better sure as hell be expecting to use Farnsworth and Mo for multiple innings each if we make the post-season.

2006-08-26 20:18:12
359.   Stormer Sports
Sox and M's tied 1-1 in the 5th.
2006-08-26 20:30:17
360.   Stormer Sports
Ichiro misreads a ball. Sox over M's 2-1.
2006-08-26 20:42:58
361.   Stormer Sports
David Wells works around a 1 out triple.
2006-08-26 21:03:16
362.   kdw
I think Torre will absolutely use Mo in multiple innings if the Yanks make the post-season. He's done it before and my sense is that's one of the reasons keeping him from doing it now, not quite absolutely necessary. That or Mo is actually hurting and they're hiding it. Don't know about Farnsworth, tho. Think that his back acts up when he goes multiple innings, something about the sitting after pitching. Not sure how much can be done about that if it is his back.
2006-08-26 21:11:37
363.   Stormer Sports
I sure hope so. I know I am loathed to say ir, but we could really use Carl Pavano. He is under contract for two more years, and I think they have to get him active before Sept. Am I wrong, or was he on the active roster at some point?

Betancourt, the one man wrecking crew, ties the game at Seattle 2-2.

2006-08-26 21:21:37
364.   marc
anyone following the sox game? Getting pretty interesting. tied in the 8th though I think papi will be up soon
2006-08-26 21:23:24
365.   kdw
Don't know the DL rule but someone here the other day said DL players are eligible to join the roster at any point as soon as their DL stint is over. Altho from the post-game comments it sounds like they are seriously considering pitching him in Wright's next spot. Waldman pointed out that Torre didn't say no when she asked, he said he needed to talk to Cashman, and if they weren't really thinking about it Torre would just have said no. That being said, I almost feel like it's jinxing Pavano to have him so close and need him pretty badly. I mean he's only one weird stretch or reach away from spending the next 2 years on the DL.
2006-08-26 21:26:14
366.   Stormer Sports
I know. Tell me about it. Thank God we can afford him, otherwise it wouldn't be so agonizingly comical.
2006-08-26 21:28:35
367.   kdw
Uh-oh. It looks like the Ms woke the sleeping beast. Hope his twin stays asleeip.
2006-08-26 21:30:25
368.   Stormer Sports
Ortiz has decided to slap the ball the other way now that Boston needs wins so desperately. He isn't the hitter that Manny is, but he is certainly proving he is more than a pull power hitter.

I guess it is the game winners that give folks the impression that Ortiz is a better and more valuable hitter than Manny. Love him or hate him, he is one bad ass mother F-er at the plate, especially against good teams.

2006-08-26 21:32:16
369.   marc
c'mon you putz put him away
2006-08-26 21:32:37
370.   Stormer Sports
And the M's go to their best guys and their closer in a late inning situation earlier than normal. It feels like every team is doing it today just to make Yankees fans miserable.
2006-08-26 21:34:28
371.   Stormer Sports
Fuck me! They called him out I guess, that was weird.

However, fuck me! Ortiz scored.

2006-08-26 21:34:34
372.   marc
fuk. Well M's still have a chance
2006-08-26 21:35:55
373.   Stormer Sports
The lead is like the wicked witch, its shrinking, its shrinking.
2006-08-26 21:37:07
374.   Stormer Sports
4 1/2. I don't like the sound of that.

The umpire completely blew that call. He was most definitley out.

2006-08-26 21:37:57
375.   Stormer Sports
Safe I mean. Ooops.
2006-08-26 21:39:07
376.   marc
They probably need to do it against Timlin
2006-08-26 21:39:47
377.   Stormer Sports
Tie at 3!

Beltre has a good looking swing. Hard not to root for him.

2006-08-26 21:40:07
378.   marc
go go it is high, it is far it is goooone
2006-08-26 21:40:10
379.   marc
go go it is high, it is far it is goooone
2006-08-26 21:41:39
380.   kdw
Ahhh, thanks for the clarification, I was a little confused about the safe/out thing.

Man, if the Yanks came thru with a 5 game sweep just to make the Sox feel better when they come back from 6 1/2 down I may have to commit myself.

2006-08-26 21:42:46
381.   marc
they gotta get another one before Pappaloma comes in
2006-08-26 21:42:55
382.   Stormer Sports
He has to go to Papelbon here. He just has to.
2006-08-26 21:43:57
383.   Stormer Sports
Nope. Francona is following the Joe Torre model of bullpen management I see.
2006-08-26 21:44:44
384.   kdw
Yes! Have I mentioned that my favorite pitcher these days is Timlin? I like him even better than my old favorite, Tavarez.

And I don't think Francona needs any help managing 382, he did just fine last weekend.

2006-08-26 21:45:10
385.   Stormer Sports
Go ahead run baby! Go ahead run!
2006-08-26 21:46:14
386.   Stormer Sports
And yet he leaves him in. Perplexing.
2006-08-26 21:46:27
387.   marc
At least the dynamic duo ain't coming up soon
2006-08-26 21:46:51
388.   Travis
Mike Timlin has been Sturtzed.
2006-08-26 21:47:21
389.   Stormer Sports
Wow. He was out. One for one I guess.
2006-08-26 21:47:58
390.   kdw
Tonight it's a trio -- Lowell's been killing them.
2006-08-26 21:48:21
391.   Stormer Sports
A chance to pick up a game. I think you have to go to your YOUNG closer there.
2006-08-26 21:48:40
392.   marc
I'll take your word, I'm listening to the game
2006-08-26 21:49:36
393.   Stormer Sports
Yea, he was out in real time. It looked close but he was out.
2006-08-26 21:50:36
394.   Stormer Sports
Hinske . . . how funny . . . the jewel of the Red Sox trade moves late in the year.
2006-08-26 21:52:38
395.   Stormer Sports
1 Down.
2006-08-26 21:53:47
396.   Stormer Sports
Javy Lopez looks like he is just pissed off that he actually has to play baseball to collect his check.
2006-08-26 21:55:46
397.   marc
I wonder how long Javy Lopez is going to last in Boston
2006-08-26 21:55:53
398.   Stormer Sports
2 Down.
2006-08-26 21:57:36
399.   Stormer Sports
Game over! We don't lose a game.
2006-08-26 21:57:41
400.   Travis
Gsme over.
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2006-08-26 21:58:01
401.   kdw
Yes!!!!!! At least the hangover is bilateral.
2006-08-26 21:59:36
402.   marc
wow, the sox sux. That's another deflating blow when we opened the door for them
2006-08-26 21:59:39
403.   Stormer Sports
Life is good. Until tomorrow.
2006-08-26 22:00:29
404.   kdw
Night all. May tomorrow be better for Yanks and worse for Sox.
2006-08-26 22:00:42
405.   jkay
Way to go, Putz!
2006-08-26 22:04:13
406.   marc
Maybe A-Rod will have a big day tomorrow. It can't get worse
2006-08-27 03:27:54
407.   randym77
Okay, is anyone surprised?

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Pavano Suffers Setback

ANAHEIM - Carl Pavano is running out of body parts to break down.

Following his rehab start for Columbus (Triple-A) Friday night, Pavano talked of a problem with an oblique muscle, and there is the possibility he will be shut down.

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http://tinyurl.com/pz6z8

2006-08-27 04:49:34
408.   jkay
407 at least it wasn't his ass this time.
2006-08-27 06:09:47
409.   Simone
407 Incredible. Pavano is a walking injury.

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