Baseball Toaster was unplugged on February 4, 2009.
With the score knotted at 1-1, Randy Johnson gave up three runs in the third inning of last night's game on a pair of doubles by Chris Snelling and Richie Sexson and a pair of singles by Willie Bloomquist and Jose Lopez. Bloomquist's single was a dribbler down the first base line that rolled to a stop just inside the foul line. Lopez's single scored Snelling, and Sexson's double scored Bloomquist and Lopez. The Mariners wouldn't score again, but they wouldn't need to.
Outside of that inning, Johnson was excellent, allowing just one run on three hits and two walks in his other seven innings. All totaled, Johnson pitched a complete game in a losing effort, needing just 109 pitches to go eight full, throwing 73 percent of those for strikes. The reason Johnson got the loss was not so much that one bad inning, but rather that the Yankee offense, without Alex Rodriguez for the second straight game due to a viral infection, couldn't get anything going against Seattle starter Jarrod Washburn, who struck out nine Yankees in 6 1/3 innings while holding limiting them to two runs, the later of which, Johnny Damon's career best 21st home run of the year, drove Washburn from the game in the seventh inning. To be fair, Washburn's defense deserves some credit as well, with Snelling and Ichiro Suzuki making some fine catches in the outfield, the best being Suzuki's Willie Mays-like, back-to-home snag of a 390-foot drive off the bat of Nick Green just before Damon's homer in the seventh.
Indeed, as evidenced by Bloomquist's infield single, the breaks (and I just happen to be listening to Kurtis Blow as I write this) just didn't go the Yankees' way last night. In the ninth inning, with closer J.J. Putz on the mound for the Mariners, Melky Cabrera led off with a hot shot that clanged of defensive replacement Ben Broussard's glove at first base, but Broussard recovered in time to shovel the ball to Putz for the first out. Joe Torre then sent Bernie Williams up to pinch-hit for Craig Wilson (1 for 2, BB, scored the Yankees' first run on a Jeter double in the third) and brought Alex Rodriguez out on deck to hit for Nick Green (0 for 2 thanks to Ichiro, K). After getting ahead 2-1, Bernie hit another hot shot back through the middle that looked like a sure single until it ricocheted off Putz's leg straight to Lopez at second base. With two outs, Rodriguez made his seventh career pinch-hitting appearance and struck out on a 2-2 fastball in on his hands to run his career pinch-hitting record to 0 for 7 with three strikeouts. Final score: 4-2 Mariners.
This will be my first real criticism of A-Rod this season. I've been disappointed in his performance on a number of occasions, but not more so than any other member of the club. What's going on right now bugs me.
I have no evidence whatsoever to indict Rodriguez on sandbagging games, but this season has certainly seen more than its fair share of little bitchy excuses for not playing or not performing. I have no beef with A-Rod's performance, you see. He isn't having his best season, but he's still a potent offensive weapon in the middle of our lineup. His defense has been shit.
I have beef with his multitude of excuses and wishy-washy attitude about everything. I wish A-Rod would grow some balls and just tell everyone to shut their f-ing mouths. Also, I wish he'd stop hiding behind viral infections and tummy aches and mysterious unnamed injuries for his failures. Everyone fails in baseball. Even the best players in history sometimes fail more than other times.
The thing is, if you are struggling against your own past and the expectations of fans, you should eventually put your foot down and tell people to kiss your ass. Get a little Sheffield in you. Wishing everyone liked you makes you shy away from tough public relations. Needing appreciation makes you sit out the Seattle series to get away from the booing and the fake money showering down from the stands. Again, I have no proof that that's what's happening, but you can't tell me that you aren't thinking it too.
Coming in to pinch hit in the 9th was an iffy decision by Torre. The guy is sick or he's not. He's in a bad state of mind or he's not. I know he's an All-World player, but what good is he at that moment. We know the answer now.
I like A-Rod VERY MUCH. I think he's a great player, a Hall of Famer, a good Yankee, and all that crap. I cheer for him every at bat. It's on the sidelines that I think he's a bitch.
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I have an unjustified good feeling this trip to the O.C. will be good for what ails the Yanks hitters.
Are you kidding me? They are going to get SWEPT in LA?
C'mon. Give them a break.
I suppose you have forgotten that the Yanks went into Detroit earlier in the season and kicked their butts all over the ballpark, taking 3 of 4 in the series.
That was LONG before the trade deadline and when their daily lineup consisted of Cairo and Phillips because Sheff, Matsui, and Cano were all on the DL.
This year ain't last year. The Red Sox are not playing anywhere near as well as they were last season and they clearly don't have the same reliable horses either.
Conversely, the Yankees are much better right now than at anytime last season.
I'll never understand how so many Yankees fans look for reasons to bury this team.
The Yankees lose a game in the standings and it is doom and gloom with some fans. What is up with that? Seriously, they cannot win every game. This is a known fact.
Simone, every Yankee loss makes baby Jesus cry.
Didn't you know that?
Also, anytime A-Rod does anything but hit a 5 run homer, that also makes baby Jesus cry.
Good news out of this game is that the bullpen got a full night off. New game tonight, and with no work tomorrow I may be able to stay up and watch the whole thing.
The chilled out So. Cal. insouciance of the crowds, (it always seemed like there were about 35,000 Craig Wilson look-alikes plus perfect wives, and Von Trappish kiddies in the seats. Heck, somebody once gave my wife and I seats above the the third base dugout) belied the bedeviling Yankee hell that was Anaheim for me. Demons in Angel halos every last one of them.
I saw El Duque get smacked around to the tune of about 10 runs.
I saw Chuck Finley do his best Koufax.
I saw Garret Anderson do his best Willie Mays.
It's always room temperature in Anaheim.
It's always room temperature in Yankee hell.
I feel your A-Rod frustration. I feel like I have a sore throat from defending the guy, but just reading his name at this point makes me feel tired.
I know he's great. I know we're lucky to have him...... zzzzzzzz (Sliced's sleepy head hits the desk, another victim of A-Rod narcolepsy)
With what is STILL a six game lead in the L column, giving a sick star a couple of days off is both prudent and intelligent. Pinch-hitting him in the 9th was downright stupid IMHO.
But many a modern day Yankees fan should also heed Ryan's message, especially those whose body temperature, and mental health are determined by the AL East Standings:
"Blame it on talk radio. Blame it on websites and chat rooms and blogs. Blame it on Shaughnessy (he can take it). But somewhere along the way, far too many members of this so-called ``Red Sox Nation" have perverted the concept of fandom. As a result, there is no more narcissistic group of people rooting for any sports team in North America than that subsection of Red Sox followers who have made the shifting fortunes of the team all about them. When the ball went through Buckner's legs, it was, ``How can he do that to me?" And so it continues.
But don't listen to me. Listen to an e-mailer by the name of Lois Kane. She was introduced to baseball and the Red Sox by her grandfather, who listened to all the games on a portable radio and who, she says, taught her that the idea was ``companionship and enjoyment of the journey through the game." She thinks he would be shocked by ``the attitude that winning was the only important thing."
Concluded Lois, ``In many ways it was more enjoyable to be a fan before it was fashionable to be one."
Thank you, Lois. That's what I'm talking about."
Hey, look at it this way... at least no one got thrown out at first from left field:
http://tinyurl.com/muwup
Let the PED rumors commence.
Actually I have no reason to believe that he uses PEDs except that he couldn't get into the Twins lineup regularly and is now a superstar. Talk about circumstancial evidence. If I had to guess, I would guess probably not.
2006: 126 games played, 76-50, 1st in AL East, 5.5 game lead, 711 RS (1st in AL), 593 RA (4th in AL), +118 (2nd in AL)
2005: 126 games played, 70-56, 2nd in AL East, 2.5 games back, 681 RS (2nd in AL), 616 RA (10th in AL), +65 (6th in AL)
2004: 126 games played, 78-48, 1st in AL East, 5.5 game lead, 685 RS (3rd in AL), 618 RA (7th in AL), +67 (4th in AL)
2003: 126 games played, 78-48, 1st in AL East, 6 game lead, 685 RS (3rd in AL), 558 RA (3rd in AL), +127 (2nd in AL)
2002: 126 games played, 79-47, 1st in AL East, 6 game lead, 727 RS (1st in AL), 574 RA (6th in AL), +153 (2nd in AL)
David Americo Ortiz Arias, 1997:
http://tinyurl.com/s4gm5
2002:
http://tinyurl.com/l8f8n
2006:
http://tinyurl.com/pvfzz
I should note that in making this list, the Google image search for "David Ortiz Strikeout" returned no results.
I try never to judge a player's physical complaints, not since J. R. Richard.
Casey has been the Tigers' most dependable hitter over the last couple of weeks. One big hit is all he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of the hands -- kind of like Knoblauch in the 1998 postseason.
"The eyes of the hands" has to be the typo of the day. I love it.
Interestingly, Yanks' odds are now even higher than Detroit's:
http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_standings.asp?i=1
- Yeah, Unit's #'s looked ok when it was all said and done but he put his team down early 4-1. Interestingly, he was unable to put hitters away on 2 occassions in the 3rd AFTER he had gotten ahead in the count w/ 2 strikes. Where have we seen that before?
- Yanks did have a few chances and squandered them. 3 hits in the 3rd w/ the mashers coming up only yielded 1 run. The very next inning, the first 2 batters reach only to see Melky fan on a 3-2 fastball down the middle (it happens) and Cano subsequently (and unforgivably) getting picked off first. Rallies? What rallies???
- Where's Fasano? Trust me, I'm not pining for him but Jorge needs to rest. Why didn't Fasano get a start in any of these games?
- Gotta tip hat to Washburn. The Yanks let him off the hook in the 4th and, just like you can't give offenses 2nd chances in the form of errors, you can't give a good pitcher 2nd chances by running into outs. But he befuddled Abreu and Giambi all night long. A job well done. Of the Yank's 6 total hits, Damon/Jeter accounted for 4.
- Gotta agree with previous posters. It's disappointing not to take 2 of 3 from a bad team particularly after having the lead in game 1. Sure, I bet they're tired - Jeter has looked absolutely exhausted at times over the past few weeks - but disappointing nevertheless. It also makes you wonder why the schedule gods had them playing a night game on a travel day. Whatever...
- Not looking forward to LAA as they always seem to do a phenomenal job of getting under the Yank's skin.
This is my first post on the board although I have been 'lurking' for a couple of months (usually I just like to read what everyone has to say). I'm another Yankee fan from Michigan....hey I had to have some team to root for, for the past 20 years :). Thought I add my 2 cents today.
26- isn't it refreshing for a manager to stick up for his player and say hey that's not gonna help. I understand the initial booing, he didn't hustle but Casey doesn't do that on a regular basis so chalk that up to a mental mistake...it most likely won't happen again.
YankeeinMichigan- I have to say I like the fact that we don't boo the home players that often...occasionally, I can see that but long run it doesn't usually help.
As for A-Rod what can you say. I'm a huge fan and I can understand people's frustration. He has to be the most patient guy in the world...because if that were me, the fans. media and myself would be having a little mini war by this time (2 months of booing and criticism ~sigh). I also think that maybe the screw you all attitude just won't work for Alex, then he'll be adding more pressure to himself to 'show' everyone. He seems to do his best when he is relax and focus on hitting the ball.
I did like the fact that Joe Torre challenged him in the Anaheim game a couple of weeks ago by having Abreu bunt, knowing that Giambi would be walked. Alex delivered with a sac fly and was just a couple feet way from a Grand Slam. But having him pinch hit last night was a little odd. Considering he was held out of two games with an illness and getting antibiotics. Maybe he was hoping for a home run like he hit Tuesday.
1- I don't think he's faking the illness (if he is it sounds like its a Oscar winning performance) even the media that has raked him over the coals this year seem to think he was really sick. You could also tell in the Boston game Monday that something was wrong....when he got the hit after Abreu's double he made it look like he was stretching his legs but to me it looked like he was going to hurl. I haven't heard him make any excuses for his playing other than a hint at a groin injury causing him to throw differently and that actually makes sense to me mostly because the day before his throwing woes really started he had what may have been his best defensive game of the year making three great plays. One doesn't usually have that good of a game and then come out the next day and say "I can't do this, I can't throw the ball".......... or do they? Only A-Rod knows for sure.
I don't think losing this series says anything about the team's character. They would have won on Tuesday if Proctor and Rivera were available that night. And while last night was by no means their sharpest performance, they could have won that game too if, as Cliff said, they had gotten a couple of breaks.
I also agree that booing players for poor performance (such as A-Rod this year) is generally counterproductive. However, I wholeheartedly endorse the Bronx practice of letting a player know when he is being a jerk.
The free pass the Tigers' fans and media (with the exception of Lynne Henning) gave Pudge and his sub-.300 OBP last drove me nuts. When he then blasted his teamates and manager, while arrogantly defending his lack of walks, a good booing should have been in order.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/o7tql
Sometimes I try and stay away from the game comments because every situation can be made so much more than it really is. I like to think that I'm a baseball fan first and a Yankee fan second. There will always be players we hate, it's what makes rooting against your greatest rival so great and appealing, but there are a lot of players you respect.
When I think of the '04 Red Sox, I think of Bill Mueller, Pedro, Damon, Timlin, Manny, and Papi. I really respected those guys and part of me learned to appreciate what they did. I think we get too nuts with day-to-day analysis. It's why I get annoyed at NoMaas and their stupid 'Torre Losses'. The team has a winning % north of .600 and all you can focus is on the negative. It's indicative of the culture we live in today. I forgot Alex's exact line from the other day, but sometimes we forget why watch these games.
It's an unfortunate viewpoint, and it obscures a lot of the fun of fandom.
I still don't think Boston will catch them, but I'm not too sanguine about the playoffs. I'm interested to see how they do in Anaheim.
What happened with Casey in the Detroit game last night?
Was Ortiz in fact hospitalized recently?
Is Manny on the DL?
Forgive me, but the only thing I have heard about any of these things is that Manny wasn't in the lineup the last couple of games.
Jeter has said pretty much those exact words, and I imagine Steinbrenner has them tattooed inside his eyelids.
I can understand that sentiment coming from the Boss, or the Captain, but I don't understand how fans can truly buy into that thinking.
Going to the games, watching them on TV, listening to the radio, reading, writing about the Yanks -- that's not a waste of time to me. That's fun, and fulfilling. Isn't that why we're all here? (Here meaning Bronx Banter, not Earth)
Cano getting picked off and a few other things from last night killed the Yanks chances. Stuff like that happens. Live, learn and move on. I don't like the pitching matchups vs. the Angels...but what can you do?
I have Washburn on my fantasy team and I'm always fascinated by the guy because I always thought he had the potential to be a pretty good pitcher. Last night I thought he was pitching out of his mind.
Again, I'm fascinated at the perception, at least I get that from the comments, that the Yanks should win every game. I thought Washburn pitched a hell of a game.
51 I certainly don't think the Yankees will win every game, and I don't panic over a loss. But I've been thinking for a while that pitchers who throw strikes give them troubles, and they keep confirming my hypothesis.
What I do like about our chances is the ability to put pressure on up and down in the lineup. In a playoff situation that can be essential to getting to a good pitcher and shortening up the series by forcing the other teams hand. I'd take this lineup into battle against any potential playoff team, but I'm most concerned about a Santana/Liriano MIN team as above-average southpaws seem to be able to control the Yanks.
52 Interesting quote from Giambi the NY Post today.
He, of all people, thinks hitters can be too selective, and try to walk too much.
He knows opposing pitchers know the Yanks look for walks, and says "You have to recognize when guys are going to come after you. You don't want to give away a quality first pitch."
The best pitchers, certainly the ones the Yanks will face in October, will go after them.
Still, I have a feeling our long lineup of smart, skilled, and opportunistic hitters, over a long series, can be an exception to the "good pitching beats good hitting" rule. But can our pitchers and gloves give them the chance to win? It's going to be fun.
As opposed to you, I'm fascinated at the perception, at least I get that from comments like yours, that the Yanks DON"T need to win these games, and its okay for them to drop two of three to the M's, the O's and the rest.
Look at what Steve Lombardi has to say over at waswatching: http://tinyurl.com/q648v
This is a team that can, at times, utterly destroy any pitcher, no matter how good or bad, but at other times, look putrid. I think its got a lot less to do with WHO the pitcher is, then with, as per 47, HOW the pitcher pitches, and, perhaps more importantly, whether our bats are on that night.
Its got nothing to do with wanting to win or any of that garbage, I just think that, besides Damon (to an extent), Jeter, and Abreu for the short time he has been with us, our lineup is VERY streaky...
Not sure what my point was, but sometimes you stomp the teams you are supposed to split with and lose the series to the bad teams. That is baseball.
I wish it were always so simple as a team just being inferior so the Yanks should always win.
In 1936 Hitler thought that Jesse Owens was an inferior human being and opponent when compared to his German athletes. Sometimes the inferior athletes/teams win.
Not everything translates so simply to the talent on the lineup cards, sometimes you still have to play the games.
I read Steve's piece and I respect him mightily (I post as 'Garcia' there), but I don't agree with his analysis sometimes and this being one of those times. Randy pitched as well as we should expect from him at this point and Washburn pitched better AND he had some luck on his side, Ichiro's play, Cano getting picked off, etc. I get emotional after a loss, but after a while I take a step back and try and look at things rationally.
//If I should lose, let me stand by the road
And cheer as the winners go by.//
In defeat you can look at things you could have done better, but in the end....quite simply...you were beat that day and you have to give the other team their props.
The distinction here is that this was not a case of not hustling, but rather a case of not focusing. The former would have been a management concern. The latter can be laughed off.
Yanks sweep: 44%
Yanks win 2: 30%
Yanks win 1: 22%
Ms sweep: 4%
So from a probability standpoint, it is incorrect to say that a team should win every game against an inferior team. It would be more correct to assume (with 96% certainty) that the Yankees should win at least one game against the Mariners, which is what they did. I agree with Dimelo that there are so many factors going into a baseball game that expecting a particular team to prevail will lead to disappointment, in this case 1/3 of the time. If, on the other hand, you take a longer view that "bad breaks" against bad teams will be evened out by a similar number of "lucky breaks" against good teams, then losing 2 of 3 to a .450 team will be balanced by, say, sweeping a .560 team in a five game series.
Never mind Al Bundy, I think you've gone all Michael Kay on us.
Losing all the series on the road so far except one may not be pretty, yet I don't think there was any lost game due to lack of effort (to my recollection, there seemed to be more than a few last year). Yes, there was yet another Arod-striking-out-at-the-end episode, but if anyone looked closely enough, that was one ill man on the plate.
Other "clearly inferior" teams the Yanks play in Sept: Toronto for 6 games, Baltimore for 7. Neither is as bad as KC/TB, so let's say the Yanks lose 1 game in each of those series and still win each, the minimum criteria for when the Yanks play such teams = 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1 = 9-4, 19-4 total.
The Twins are not "clearly inferior" to the Yanks when Santana pitches (or Liriano), but probably are if its Carlos Silva on the mound. The Yanks always play the Twins well, so let's call that 3-game series 2-1 for the Yanks = 21-5.
The other 10 games of the year are 3 vs LAA, 3 vs DET, and 4 vs BOS. Let's say the Yanks split those right down the middle (5-5) = 26-10.
FYI, going 26-10 down the stretch is a .722 winning percentage. That's '98 Yanks territory and with guys getting rested etc, there's likely no way in hell it happens.
If the Yanks instead play .556 ball the rest of the way (20-16), a little worse than they're playing now but more in the realm of the possible, they'll finish with a 96-66 record. I'm willing to bet that guarantees the division title.
And that's why I am not worried when the Yanks lose 2 out of 3 to a "clearly inferior team" like Seattle.
I'm not demanding that the Yanks win every game, and I don't consider it a failure if they don't win it all, hardly. But, on the other hand, I do get annoyed when the team loses games it ought to win, which then puts it in even worse situations, such as this coming series.
I dunno, I mean, look at 59. If the A's are so capable of clearly playing way over their heads, is it too much to ask the Yanks to play AT their level?
1. The Mariners were playing at home, where they were 31-29 (.517) going into the series.
2. The Yankees were playing on the road, where they were 36-25 (.590) going into the series.
3. Seattle was coming off an 11-game losing streak, all on the road. I don't know if we should correct for this or not.
4. The Yankees were coming off an exhausting series, and had to fly cross-country the day before. To rest, the Yankees pitched a rookie making his major league debut in Game 1 of the series, held out crucial bullpen members, and started Nick Green (a .200 hitter) in all 3 games.
Taking all that into account, I'd say the Yankees had no better than a 57% chance of winning a given game in this series, and taking 1 out of 3 was not favored, but reasonable. Keep in mind that the Yankees outscored the Mariners in the series, losing games by 1 and 2 runs.
Using the method described in the linked article, the Yankees' chances of winning a given number of games in a 3-game series, assuming a 64.7% chance of winning a given game:
0: 4.4%
1: 24.2%
2: 44.3%
3: 27.1%
Assuming a 57.3% chance:
0: 7.8%
1: 31.3%
2: 42.1%
3: 18.9%
And before we get too far down the road of this one argument, I originally included it within the larger point that based on the last 5 series, the Red Sox series seems way out of place. They were playing uninspired ball before, and played uninspired ball after. Heck, if they take 2 of 3 from the Angels, then I say, fine, the Ms series was just a result of the hangover etc. But if they drop 2 of 3, well thats 5 out of the last 6 series that the Yanks haven't won, and that ain't good, sweep or no sweep...
Are you a cranky passenger? Restless, frustrated, annoyed. "This food sucks. That brat won't stop crying. You call this a pillow? When is this fuc*ing thing going to land already?"
Are you a fearful passenger? "Did the engine fall off? Are we out of gas? We're gonna crash and burn!"
Are you a curious passenger? "Exactly how fast are we going? What is our altitude? Is the wind current with or against us? What's our rate of fuel consumption?"
Are you a content passenger? "Everything's fine. Got my peanuts, cool beverage, mediocre movie? Yes, please."
I think most of us Bronx Banterers fall into the final two categories, curious and content, but we all have our cranky and fearful moments.
It's remarkable how many more cranky and fearful "passengers" you encounter at the other Yankees sites, and not just during the games, and not just after losses.
Thanks for setting the curious, and content tone Alex, and Cliff.
My point being, after it has been beaten to death, is that in professional sports there are teams that have better records but I don't think inferior teams exist. Are there badly run teams? Yes. Badly managed teams? Yes. Badly managed games? Yes. I'm sure for some every game Torre manages is a badly managed game. Being in professional sports, by sheer virtue of the diffucult nature of becoming a professional athlete, the weeding out process takes care of getting rid of the inferior athletes. If I there were 9 of me playing on the Mariners last night then that would be considered an inferior team.
The argument based on statistical analysis and probability is a very difficult one to make, because it involves a slew of assumptions that don't hold - things like random distribution and independent trials. As 76 points out, you can't properly assume that one team is "a .600 team" and the other "a .450 team." And I think you just scraped the surface with home, road and exhaustion. Johnson pitching. Washburn pitching. On grass. At night. ARod out. Bullpen availability. And more, and more. (If you're going to correct for an 11-game losing streak, it would be to figure that the M's are "really" worse than .450, not to figure they're "due.")
Besides, I think it misses the point. It started with a simple observation - that, overall, the Yankee should be able to beat up on the lousy teams. It may have been stated a little strongly - "have to win" - and no one's seriously suggesting that the Yankees should win every game against any given team.
But before I decide they're a powerhouse, I'd like to see them look like one consistently. They're a good team that's going to win the division, but they didn't look like a powerhouse for a week or two before Boston; I'd like to see them keep it up.
Good dialog. Intelligent banter (sorry - the word just fits). A good bunch-a-joes.
The occasional whine or complaint can be forgiven, as we all have those from time to time, especially after a tough loss when the team looks flat.
Glad we don't have many people picking apart a .600 winning percentage to see if that's good or bad.
It's good.
But even within the population of professional athletes, there are players who are more athletic/skilled than others. (Intentionally staying away from baseball) Is 100th ranked tennis player an inferior athlete than Roger Federer? Is Damon Jones an inferior athlete than Dwayne Wade? Both are professionals, but I don't think you'd find many people arguing that they're equivalent athletes.
Hitler believed that blacks were an inferior race, and that Jesse Owens was therefore and inferior person, and in turn that he was an inferior athlete. The primary assumption was of racial superiority; lesser athletic skill just followed from that.
The Mariners are an inferior team to the Yankees just because they don't play baseball as well. That's it. That's all it means.
I guess that makes me the passenger who keeps telling the fearful ones that it is impossible for a plane to simply "fall out of the sky," using physics concepts. Strangely, this approach doesn't seem to comfort people much.
I'm sure someone's done a study on this, but bullpens and bullpen management must play a large role in differences between actual and Pythagorean records.
FWIW, here are the ESPN expanded standings:
http://tinyurl.com/j5r9f
And here are teams sorted by bullpen ERA:
http://tinyurl.com/fgemv
Cleveland is 11(!) games under their Pythag record.
I think there's too much athletic talent at the professional level to ever consider a team/player inferior. There are better players when compared to others, but they aren't inferior. I knew kids in college that had a 2.2 GPA and are doing more exciting stuff than I ever imagined and I had a much better GPA. Since I did better than them in school should I have considered them 'inferior'? Once you get to a certain level, then the difference is not that great to ever consider anyone or a team inferior. Despite how the team as a whole fields, bats and run the bases.
I'm sure you'd say Womack is inferior to Jeter, then in that case I'm inferior to Womack. Womack's talent are closer to Jeter's than mine are to Womack's. To have played professional baseball, football, soccer, hockey, basketball, etc, means you are far superior than the average joe walking the street but you are not inferior to your peers at the professional level. It's all relative and we can think of it differently.
91 I meant to add this: starters' ERAs. If the starters are much better than the bullpen or vice versa, I'd expect some Pythagorean differences.
http://tinyurl.com/kcg6l
http://tinyurl.com/s3qd5
IMO, Joe should have made him rest in the hotel another night.
What differences would you expect, in particular? I'm not sure I see the connection between starter/bullpen ERA difference and RS/RA overall.
The Yanks are 10th in Reliever ERA and 11th in Starter ERA, but the former is half a run lower. Of course, ERA doesn't take into account unearned runs, which definitely count in the standings. They don't have Run Average listed, but just from the ranks, the Yankees starters are ranked much higher in fewest runs allowed than their bullpen.
1. Dividing the bullpen into the "good bullpen" and the "bad bullpen," and almost exclusively using one or the other depending on whether the team is ahead or behind. All teams do this with their closers, but Torre seems to do it with the entire bullpen, every year. This would lead to lots of close wins and some blowout losses when Scott Erickson/Felix Heredia/etc. gets bombed.
2. Walk-off losses. It's hard to lose by more than 1 run when your last pitcher blows the game.
90 Ah yes, but planes DO fall out of the sky, just not for no reason at all. LOTS of things make planes fall out of the sky, and thats what makes it so scary. Sure, Physics can tell me that there is a so and so miniscule percent chance that something bad will happen, and that nothing will go wrong if all factors are normal, but, of course, all factors aren't always normal, and physics can only account for perfect situations. It can't account for everything else. I'm not a fearful passanger, but I also don't get reassurance just because physics tells me something won't happen (Can you tell I am a humanities person?)
Wait, what were we talking about again? Ah yes, the Yankees! To me, I look at the #'s and see the games before and after the Yanks series and that tells me something ain't quite right. So, let's win tonight!
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But I gather that you take "inferior" to denote global, personal inferiority in pretty much any context. I'm not sure why that's so, but at least I understand that it is.
Just to throw my two cents in, not that it contributes anything meaningful.
That's gotta be about the funniest image I've seen in a long time.
Can you imagine seeing him at either of those positions?
There should be some kind of official turn-around day, maybe like the first or last day of spring training, where players are assigned to the positions they're least suited to play.
Last night I was watching the Mets and--I don't actually remember the situation, I was only half watching--but the issue was whether the Mets' lead would be 3 or 4, which of course was the sole factor to determine whether or not Wagner would come in.
I know this is standard procedure and I'm not saying anything no one's said before, but for some reason, at that moment, the whole idea of the save situation just seemed patently absurd to me.
Three runs in one inning isn't a safe lead but four is? Your ace is the only guy who can be trusted to get three outs before they get three runs?
I know, I know, I'm old school, but the very idea that you have to use your best guy to protect a three-run lead for one inning is just ridiculous.
Oh, the reason it occurred to me is because Gary Cohen said something like, "Well, now that it's no longer a save situation, Wagner will sit down." Is it just me, or is that a preposterously arbitrary way to determine how to use your pitching staff?
Also, I think it's time to raise the mound back up.
/rant.
It's not good whenever a manager letting a stat determine his bullpen usage and not the other way around. See also (1) not using the closer in a tie game on the road and (2) letting a starter struggle through the 5th inning in a crucial game (something Torre, to his credit, didn't do in Game 4 of the 2000 World Series).
Raising the mound is not the answer to the perceived problem of too much offense, unless you want to see more strikeouts.
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105, 106 That's the only case I know of where everyday game strategy is dictated entirely by a statistic. In addition to the situations you mention, Travis, there's this one: seventh inning, tie game, two men on, none out, Manny coming up...and you bring in maybe your third best reliever.
Every position rotates, I don't know, say by batter, or inning or even game? INcluding (and this is the fun part) pitcher.
106 You got me, Travis, how 'bout raise the mound and scratch the DH in one fell swoop?
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Hernandez. He's by far my favorite color guy on the air, probably the best I've ever hard.
He's just so authentic, so sincere, and he's got a very quirky sense of humor, almost like someone you'd expect to hear on college radio.
Plus of course, he not only knows his baseball, but treats it with great respect.
I love the way he gets scoldy when guys fail to do the fundamentals, or when he'll just say incredulously, "I don't know why he swung at that, that was a terrible at-bat."
If anyone's not checked him out on the Mets broadcasts, I'd strongly encourage it, he's a real treat, the kind of guy you'd never hear at a place like espn or even YES, although I think Leiter, O'Neill and Kay have really settled into a nice rhythm.
Also, I think Gary Cohen does a nice job setting up Hernandez and then getting out of the way. In general, intelligent color guys (I'd include Orel Hershiser and Tony Gwynn) work best with that kind of old school play-by-play man, and are wasted with the FOX breed (Joe Buck, Matt Vasgersian).
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Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Jason Giambi DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Aaron Guiel 1B
Melky Cabrera LF
Jaret Wright RHP
Guiel is starting. At 1B!
He's a ham who knows he's a ham and is comfortable being a ham, which I find endearing. But he's a very different sort of ham than Sterling, whom I don't hate as much as a lot of people, but I do wish we were a little --ok, a lot--subtler about his hamminess.
Keith's a subtle kind of ham.
Also, I forgot Steve Stone in the list of intelligent color men.
Whereas the Mets, with all the down-home, loosey goosey feel of their ballpark and their team, should have such a more solid team of broadcasters?
Kind of funny, that, no?
I thought Singleton did a superb job when he had to do the Baltimore game alone.
Murcer's improved a lot since he started. My favorite Murcerism from then was, " I wish I'd'a switched-hit."
118 I agree, I'm warming up to Murcer and Singleton. They're fine, but to me they don't quite reach that next level of being compelling.
Except for the dreaded Fox game, of course.
I agree with your opinion on Murcer and Singleton.
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Maicer Izturis 3B
Vladimir Guerrero RF
Garret Anderson DH
Juan Rivera LF
Howie Kendrick 1B
Adam Kennedy 2B
Jose Molina C
Erick Aybar SS
John Lackey RHP
Also, on the topic of broadcasts, I really wish they'd use different camera angles on a more regular basis.
As it stands, they'll randomly use a new angle--like from behind the plate, or just above it, or they'll show you the whole field--for like one pitch, and then back to the same old center field cam.
I really wish they'd mix it up a little bit more. It's great to see the ball coming from the point-of-view of the batter, or to just see the whole field for a little while, especially on fly balls.
It's really hard to appreciate good outfielding because you totally miss the trajectory of the ball. You can't tell who gets good jumps and who doesn't, who takes good routes and who doesn't.
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