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The Morning After

2006-08-21 08:53

by Cliff Corcoran

With the exception of a dominant starting pitching performance, the last four games have given Yankee fans everything they could have hoped for coming into the five-game showdown with the Red Sox that concludes this afternoon. So what's left for the finale? After the last four games, I wouldn't rule anything out, though I'd like to rule out a Red Sox victory.

Cory Lidle, who was activated from the bereavement list yesterday with T.J. Beam returning to Columbus, makes his fourth Yankee start. David Wells takes the hill for the Sox. Wells has spent most of the season on the disabled list with a right knee injury. In fact, he made just two starts prior to his most recent activation at the end of July. Since then he's taken four turns, the first of which was rough, but the last three of which have been solid. In fact, the 43-year-old Wells looks to be more or less up to his old tricks, surrendering a ton of hits but very few walks and emerging with a 2-1 record and a 2.75 ERA over those three starts.

Joe Torre is sending out a day-game-after-a-extra-inning-night-game/house money line-up against the big lefty, with last night's heroes Jason Giambi and Jorge Posada, as well as series MVP Johnny Damon, getting the day off, Derek Jeter taking a turn at DH, and Nick Green, Bernie Williams and Sal Fasano in the line-up and in the field. Bernie is a career .211/.256/.355 hitter against Wells and Green and Fasano are a combined 2 for 20 career against Boomer. Melky Cabrera, whose lead-off double against Jonathan Papelbon in the ninth last night was as big as any of the other hits in the game, will lead off.

The Red Sox counter with their usual starting nine, but with Eric Hinske replacing Kevin Youkilis at first base. The Sox, who demoted Jermain Van Buren after his poor performance on Saturday in favor of former Rockies hurler Javier Lopez, have also made yet another move in their bullpen, sending down last night's loser Craig Hansen and promoting former Texas Ranger Bryan Corey. It is the fourth time in as many days that they've shuffled relievers.

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2006-08-21 09:37:36

1. JeremyM

Shouldn't Green get some rest since he played last night...? Seriously, I hate seeing him and Fasano in the lineup together, but what are you going to do? My "pick to click" is Wilson today.

2006-08-21 09:38:24

2. pistolpete

I know the Yanks have seen their share of DFA's & demotions in the past few months, and maybe I don't follow the Sox as closely as others, but IMO these moves seem more like knee jerk/panic reactions than anything else.

2006-08-21 09:39:27

3. Sliced Bread

I really wish Joe was going with the starters for this game.

There's a big difference between 4.5 games ahead and 6.5.

Today's lineup is better suited for a tilt against Seattle than a potential 5 game sweep of the Sox.

2006-08-21 09:40:09

4. randym77

Torre said in the pre-game interview that the team is exhausted. He says injuries happen when players are tired. He plans to sit Cano entirely, possibly tomorrow.

Nothing about Melky. That kid hasn't had a day off for months. C'mon, Joe, Guiel can play LF. I know you don't trust in him CF, but he can play left!

2006-08-21 09:41:24

5. Ron Burgundy

3 It's House Money day. Everyone takes the day off. I wonder if Joe will do this in a possible playoff situation where we just need to win one more game to take a series.

2006-08-21 09:45:40

6. Sliced Bread

4 I understand the Yanks are exhausted, but so are the Red Sox.

I also understand the season is a marathon, but when you have a chance to beat your division rival straight up, you suck it up, and go for it.

As far as I'm concerned, unless a starter asked for the day off they should all be in today.

Let the Yanks starters sleep through Seattle if necessary, while the Sox mix it up with the Angels.

2006-08-21 09:46:13

7. RIYank

3, 5 My gut agrees with you, but my head says Torre might be right. There are still forty games to go, and rest for our 30+ year-old players is going to matter a lot.
It's not a sprint, it's a ... Okay, it's no longer a marathon, but it's still a 10K race.

2006-08-21 09:52:11

8. Sliced Bread

As I said on the previous thread I have a feeling we'll see Damon, Posada, and Giambi before the day is over, providing Lidle keeps it close, and the top of the order does some damage against Boomer.

2006-08-21 09:52:15

9. Schteeve

So the same people who rip Torre for letting Wang and Proctor and Villone pitch too many innings, are now ripping him for resting starters who have been playing baseball non-stop for the last 72 hours?

Jeeeez-us.

2006-08-21 09:52:28

10. KJC

3 The way the Sox have played, Joe thinks he can beat them with a AAA squad...and he's right.

2006-08-21 09:53:57

11. randym77

We were a .500 team in August, coming into this series.

Since the start of this series, we're a 1.000 team. I have to conclude that Boston sucks. Therefore, when better to rest the veterans? We can win without them.

And you know Torre will bring in the big guns if they're needed.

2006-08-21 09:54:15

12. Sliced Bread

9 Hope you're not referring to me. I never ripped Torre for letting Wang, Proctor, and Villone pitch too many innings. I say unless a player tells his managers or coaches he needs a rest you use your best players as much as possible, and especially in games against your closest division rival.

2006-08-21 09:55:51

13. Sliced Bread

12 one amendment to that, if your starters are showing obvious signs of fatigue you rest them. Last I checked Giambi didn't look too tired, and neither did Damon, or Posada.

2006-08-21 09:56:11

14. rbj

In the right situation, we'll see the big guns. Until then you use the other guys on the bench. Today's game is not merely house money, it is double secret house money.

2006-08-21 09:56:30

15. standuptriple

I just hope they don't get too aggresive vs. Boomer. He's just as vulnerable (if not more) than the rest of that pitiful staff.

2006-08-21 09:56:40

16. randym77

13 Joe disagrees. He said in his pregame show that the team is exhausted.

2006-08-21 10:00:42

17. ChrisS

4 For all that Melky has done as after being thrust into the league as an emergency starter, it's going to be hard to see him lose his job when Mats and Sheff come back. I'm really enjoying watching him grow as a player.

2006-08-21 10:01:12

18. Kirribilli Yankee Fan

maybe..just maybe today is the day A Rod takes over a game and goes 4-5 with a 3 run bomb....maybe not...

when was this guys last HR ? I remember he and Giambi with the 9th inning back to back about a week ago...

Fenway...righty....shitty pitching...nothing

2006-08-21 10:01:26

19. monkeypants

I would just like to see a little different rotation of resting players. If you play Green and Bernie, may try Wilson at C and Guiel (I know, Wells is LHP) at 1B. If you rest Damon, how about Melky in CF. Or, you just have to have the balls to rest the starters nomatter what.

It just seems like these games either turn into laughers for the opposition, or the subs hang in their and all the starters and BP get used anyway. Of course, half a day off is better than none.

2006-08-21 10:02:00

20. Bob Timmermann

Even the MLB.com Gameday operator is exhausted.

2006-08-21 10:03:42

21. randym77

17 I'm not sure Melky will lose his job. I doubt Sheff and Matsui will be back this year. Next year, anything can happen.

19 You got it. The guys resting today were dictated by the lefty on the mound. Note that the lefty batters are the ones getting days off.

2006-08-21 10:04:21

22. Schteeve

Sliced, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.

2006-08-21 10:08:37

23. pistolpete

18 Ah, if I could go back and count the number of times someone predicted that 'this was the day' that A-Rod finally dominated a game...

I'm with you, but it's amusing to see how many times it's been said and we're still waiting.

2006-08-21 10:09:39

24. Sliced Bread

22 I understand your point re: resting the starters, but if were up to me I'd approach today as a playoff game.

16 If Joe says they're too tired to play, they're too tired. Like Paul Simon sang, "Who am I to blow against the wind?"

2006-08-21 10:11:15

25. Cliff Corcoran

21 Except Giambi has a .500+ OBP vs. Wells and Posada hits Wells pretty well. Damon doesn't so much, but all three hit him better than Bernie and co.

2006-08-21 10:11:50

26. Ron Burgundy

Whatever, let's kill Wells. He's horrible, and there is no reason for him to pitch a good game against us.

2006-08-21 10:13:31

27. Ron Burgundy

Damn it. Jeter's AVG keeps dropping. I really want him to win the batting title.

2006-08-21 10:13:42

28. C2Coke

13 I agree with you on Giambi and Damon, they look totally hyped. However, as well as Posada has played, he looked like the most tired player off the field last night.

2006-08-21 10:14:35

29. Ron Burgundy

Damn It!
But there were two hard-hit balls.
I hate Whales.

2006-08-21 10:14:38

30. pistolpete

IMO it's going to be a low-scoring affair - fatigue has set in, and the only 'fresh' players are the starting pitchers.

2006-08-21 10:15:55

31. David

Jeter and Abreu hit the ball well, although they were outs. Hopefully that's a good sign.

2006-08-21 10:16:07

32. randym77

25 Well, you knew Posada would have today off. That was determined before the series even started.

No one is sitting because they don't hit Wells. They're being rested. This weekend has been brutal. It's just a question of when the best time to rest them is.

2006-08-21 10:17:45

33. Ron Burgundy

Coco Chanel.

2006-08-21 10:18:25

34. pistolpete

32 I'd say resting guys after winning the first 4 games of a 5-game set is a pretty good time.

2006-08-21 10:19:06

35. monkeypants

Coco Crisp is truly awful this year.

2006-08-21 10:20:26

36. Schteeve

Excuse my ignorance, but was Coco Crisp ever good? I'm too lazy to look it up.

2006-08-21 10:20:27

37. pistolpete

Lidle looks sharp. Good sign.

2006-08-21 10:20:50

38. Cliff Corcoran

32 I agree, I was just countering the fact that their left-handedness was a factor. Abreu and Rodriguez had their turns at DH, after today only the kids, Melky and Robbie, haven't been at least DH-rested in this series.

2006-08-21 10:21:17

39. Ron Burgundy

The SHIFT again. Fuckers.

Any regular infield alignment and it's an easy out.

2006-08-21 10:21:34

40. monkeypants

34 Point taken, but this pattern of usage extends beyond this series. Torre opts for 'house money' days where he rests multiple starters (and thus plays our usually horrible subs), as opposed to spreading out the substitutions. Plus, Torre's particular use of Bernie has been, well, questionable.

2006-08-21 10:22:01

41. Schteeve

10 pitch, 1-2-3 inning for Lidle, nice start.

2006-08-21 10:22:36

42. Cliff Corcoran

36 He's still very young and I would argue was rushed to the majors after the Indians got him from St. Louis for Chuck Finley (!), he finally caught up to the league last year and was indeed quite good and looked to continue to improve as he still hasn't hit his peak age. Could be the new scenery and early season finger injury messed him up this year and he'll break out next year. Could also be that last year was the best he'll ever be and he's just not that good. Hard to say right now.

2006-08-21 10:22:46

43. mehmattski

36
Long answer:
2006: .271/.323/.390
Career: .285/.330/.419

Short answer:
Yup.

2006-08-21 10:22:54

44. Schteeve

According to GameCast Ortiz grounded out to second which would have been the third out, but now Manny is up. What gives?

2006-08-21 10:23:24

45. pmarcig

Anybody getting this on mlb.com? I just keep getting the Holiday Inn commercial, then black screen, but no "Blackout message" or anything.

2006-08-21 10:24:23

46. kylepetterson

44 initially gameday said "no out recorded" then switched to out, then switched back.

2006-08-21 10:24:28

47. pistolpete

44 Someone at GameCast jumped the gun - Cano was so far back because of the shift that he couldn't get to the ball in time, or throw it over to first for that matter.

2006-08-21 10:24:37

48. Ron Burgundy

43 Ortiz infield single. He hit the ball so weakly not even Cano (because of the shift, he's like in RF) could get to it in time to throw out Ortiz. Go figure.

2006-08-21 10:24:47

49. kylepetterson

maybe papi's shadow was blocking the sun.

2006-08-21 10:24:57

50. RIYank

Ortiz was safe. Slow dribbler to Robby.

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2006-08-21 10:24:58

51. randym77

38 I dunno...I think their left-handedness is factor. Not the only factor, but one of them. It's not a coincidence that no righties are benched today.

And certainly, Joe is not going to put Guiel in, as monkeypants wants, with a lefty on the mound.

2006-08-21 10:25:13

52. monkeypants

36 His last two years: Age 24: .297/.344/.446; Age 25: .300/.345/.465.

That's pretty good for a young CF, and one might have expected he'd improve entering his 26-29 y.o. peak. On the other hand, he has been hurt this year.

2006-08-21 10:25:25

53. mehmattski

44 I see that too... must be the new MLB/ESPN rules that the Red Sox can have four outs if they want.

2006-08-21 10:25:46

54. Ron Burgundy

Whatever, walk Manny, better than him killing us.

2006-08-21 10:25:56

55. kylepetterson

Manny's and Coco's hats crook opposite directions.

2006-08-21 10:26:00

56. RIYank

Ooooh, just missed with the fastball.
Come on, Cory, bear down now.

2006-08-21 10:26:24

57. Zack

9 Joe needs to be ripped for his pinch hitting of Bernie, not having him bunt, and then elaving him in RF, which certainly helped Ortiz take 2nd on that "double."

Well, a gift infield shift single for Ortiz, walk to manny, and now mvp Hinske...Let's go Corey, you need to keep this game very close with this lineup!

2006-08-21 10:26:30

58. mehmattski

Ah, sweet, stumbled onto a Phillies-Blue Jays game on GameCast... oh, wait...

2006-08-21 10:26:40

59. pmarcig

Anyone on mlb.com...tv ?

2006-08-21 10:26:51

60. randym77

44 LOL! Did it really say that?

It should have been an out, but the overshift came back to bite us.

2006-08-21 10:27:10

61. Schteeve

Seeing Hinske reminds me of Mo, abandoning the cutter as if to say, "Enough fucking around" and blowing him away on 3 straight high fastballs. I will never forget that AB.

2006-08-21 10:27:16

62. rbj

I wish gamecast would fix the Ortiz groundout. It doesn't look right.

2006-08-21 10:27:34

63. kylepetterson

With as many pitches as Lidle has thrown in this inning you'd expect him to be wearing a boston uniform

2006-08-21 10:27:38

64. mehmattski

60 Yeah, and now, it claims that its the bottom of the first, with 2 on and 3 out.

2006-08-21 10:27:39

65. Zack

Nice range Robbie!

2006-08-21 10:27:48

66. RIYank

Good job, Rob!
Whew, I thought that infield hit was going to bite Lidle.

2006-08-21 10:28:26

67. rsmith51

It is always an adventure when Ortiz and Manny are up the same inning.

2006-08-21 10:28:37

68. mehmattski

64 Yep, now it says 4 Outs. Ummmmmm...

2006-08-21 10:30:50

69. Zack

As much as Jeter's average has gone down this series, he has also had a very "clutch" weekend, way more so thatn Ortiz, and yet Ortiz's HR yesterday gets all the attention. Aren't we supposed to use these series to judge who is more of a "mvp?" If so, Jeter should get the vote! Not that I actually think he should be the mvp, but hey, it seems to be between those two...

2006-08-21 10:30:55

70. Ron Burgundy

Yawn. Our guys are tired.

2006-08-21 10:31:16

71. monkeypants

A-Rod threw his bat in frustration there. He really is pulling off so many pitches and popping verything up.

2006-08-21 10:32:02

72. Travis

Cano's trying to make up for yesterday.

2006-08-21 10:32:03

73. Zack

Cano trying to make up for his dreadful showing last night

2006-08-21 10:32:13

74. Sliced Bread

61 Yeah, Mo was masterfully dominant in that situation. It looked like Hinske didn't have a chance after strike one. Very nasty.

Cano hustles out a 2 out double! Nice. Bring him home!

2006-08-21 10:32:15

75. Ron Burgundy

Robbie stil Hustlin'.
Every day I'm Hustlin'.

2006-08-21 10:32:21

76. monkeypants

Cano's hamstring looking good!

2006-08-21 10:32:44

77. randym77

Robby ain't tired.

2006-08-21 10:33:03

78. Kirribilli Yankee Fan

Cano ran like he thought A Rod was up next and was trying to save him from the DP

2006-08-21 10:33:44

79. Schteeve

74 was it a two out double or a 1 out double? GC says one out, but apparently the folks at GameCast are on the dust this afternoon.

2006-08-21 10:33:47

80. RIYank

I'm getting a little tired of these almost-dingers...

2006-08-21 10:34:27

81. RIYank

Gamecast is totally unreliable. There was one out -- now two with the long fly by Wilson, up to Bernie now.

2006-08-21 10:34:39

82. Kirribilli Yankee Fan

I have never seen a guy so dominant in his sport look so bad for a whole season....

2006-08-21 10:34:58

83. Sliced Bread

79 Two outs.

2006-08-21 10:34:58

84. Ron Burgundy

Yawn. Wells having an easy time. If we don't win, ESPN will say Bahston has all the momentum...

2006-08-21 10:35:07

85. randym77

Ah, Craig. He's always been streaky. He'll be hot for four weeks, then go 1 for 20.

2006-08-21 10:35:47