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BoSox Beat Up Bombers
2006-05-23 05:35
by Alex Belth

That team is decimated. They've lost some very significant people," said [Curt] Schilling, who improved to 7-2. "We have to take advantage of that.

"Who's playing for (Gary) Sheffield? Who's playing for (Hideki) Matsui? That's a drastically different team. That's not a knock on any of the guys they're running out there, but we're talking about All-Star caliber players - Hall of Fame caliber players - that they're playing without.

"We've got to take advantage of them now."
(N.Y. Daily News)

That is exactly what Schilling and the Red Sox did last night as Boston drilled the Yanks, 9-5. Schilling's 199th career win puts his team two-and-a-half games ahead of New York in the American League East (Toronto is three back). Other than a third inning rally which produced a run, Schilling dominated the Yankees, aided by double play balls in the fifth and the seventh. Schilling's splitter was in fine form--he got ahead of hitters and then put them away.

Chien-Ming Wang wasn't as sharp and he paid for it. With one out and two men on in the bottom of the third, Wang fell behind David Ortiz 3-0. It looked as if he was pitching around the Yankee Killer, but then Wang laid in a cookie to the Monster who promptly smacked it into left under the glove of a diving Terrence Long for a two-run double (not for nothing but Long looks like Claudell Washington and Oscar Gamble's long-lost love child). Manny Ramirez followed and quickly fell behind 0-2 before Wang made another mistake--a meatball served up on a platter. Ramirez probably couldn't believe his luck, and didn't waste any time walloping the pitch into the center field bleachers.

"He looked like he tried to do something with Manny, something up, which is not his neighborhood," Torre said. "It's Manny's neighborhood, but not his neighborhood, and he killed that ball."
(N.Y. Times)

Wang settle down for the next few innings but was chased from the game in the seventh, and allowed seven runs in all. By the time the Yankees rallied for four runs in the ninth, the Sox already had a comfortable lead, as they cruised to a victory in the first of three at Fenway Park. Jorge Posada and Alex Rodriguez popped homers off Keith Foulke late, and whatta ya hear whatta ya say, Bernie Williams (the unbooable man) had another couple of hits. The Yankees are eager for Gary Sheffield to return to the line up tonight--he'll have some kind of welcome back having to deal with Tim Wakefield's floater.

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2006-05-23 06:31:43
1.   Dimelo
I hate Schilling, but his comments are right on.
2006-05-23 06:34:10
2.   Felix Heredia
Hurry up and get those Royals in here.

Bernie's playing with an injured butt. I guess he only strained it, whereas Pavano pulled his butt.

2006-05-23 06:37:35
3.   rbj
Yup, beat up on a team when they're down. So who gets send down or DFA'd for Shef? Would it be too much to ask that Long gets his walking papers handed to him?

I suspect Shef DH's tonight, with Melky and Bernie at the corners.

2006-05-23 06:52:34
4.   Dan M
Do you think Schilling's comments are a cryptic way of saying "why the hell didn't this team take advantage of my bum ankle in 2004"? Just a thought.

Anyone notice that teams have already stopped running on Melky's arm?

2006-05-23 07:14:59
5.   Sliced Bread
Memo to Yankees pitchers re: "Manny's neighborhood." Don't go there.

3 Ideally, Sheff returns as the DH tonight, but it seems Damon's injured foot needs more rest. I'm hoping Sheff is okay to play, with Bernie in center, Melky left, Damon DH. We'll see how it goes.

According to NY Post, slumping Giambi is sitting tonight against the knuckler, which means Cairo or Phillips at first.

Post reports Torre is also deliberating whether to start Posada because Wright and Stinnett have been working well together. Please go with Po, Joe.

2006-05-23 07:19:20
6.   Cliff Corcoran
The Yankees' outburst with two outs in the ninth was fun, but I knew Rodriguez would catch hell for hitting a "garbage time" jack against the Sox. Sure enough this morning's Daily News back page is a big picture of Rodriguez in his follow through with the headline "Thanks For Nothing." No mention of the fact that Posada followed him with a homer, or that Bernie and Cano doubled for another run after that.

Following those four straight extra-base hits off Foulke, Becky, likely inspired by last Tuesday's triple-comeback, thought just maybe . . . I reminded her that there were two outs and Terrence Long would have to bat before they could tie it up. Sure enough.

I have to say, for all of the useless-to-harmful players the Yankees have had in recent years (Enrique Wilson, Tony Womack, Sturtze, Erickson, etc.) none have made me physically sick upon sight quite like Terrence Long.

2006-05-23 07:24:38
7.   Cliff Corcoran
5 I'd assume Cairo because of his small-sample success against Wakefield were it not for Miguel's golden sombrero against Wake (well Wake and Papelbon) last time out. Think that poor performance by Cairo and Andy's game-winning hit on Saturday will be enough to get Phillips the start?

Me neither.

2006-05-23 07:26:51
8.   Zack
I'm with you 100% Cliff, I mean, there is no way that Reese is a worse option than Long, and I would wager that he is actually a significantly better option. But yet it will probably be he that gets sent down today...sigh
2006-05-23 07:55:43
9.   Rob Gee
fdhwjkh Terrence ghjoprana Long fhohrwev ojaweqwrx
2006-05-23 08:04:34
10.   standuptriple
7, 8 It's sad how predictably stubborn Torre is.
2006-05-23 08:14:57
11.   joe in boston
Tough loss.

Now, I didn't see much of the game (picking my wife up at the airport....grrr....), but why don't we take the same approach with Schilling as we do with Pedro; namely wait the guy out...then get him/bullpen in the 6-8th innings ??? Any thoughts ? It kills me to see this guy beat us.

2006-05-23 08:15:15
12.   Shaun P
8 With Farns maybe still hurting, at least there's no chance Bean gets sent down, right? Right?

10 Who will hurt their team more by running out useless vets and refusing to play anyone without significant major league experience - Joe Torre, or Dusty Baker?

Now there's a fascinating - and frightening - comparison, hmm?

2006-05-23 08:21:29
13.   Cliff Corcoran
12 The Yankees go with 11 pitchers? Ha!

As for your other question. Baker is far worse. Really, I don't even think it's close.

2006-05-23 08:31:59
14.   dpmurphy
"Dan M :Anyone notice that teams have already stopped running on Melky's arm?"

Have they? Because if the throw last night was any indication, they need to start running again. Boston was too cautious on the basepaths last night.

2006-05-23 08:32:41
15.   weeping for brunnhilde
Some good news: Bernie's been looking very good from the left side these past days, by no means an automatic out anymore.
2006-05-23 08:44:43
16.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's so hard to know how to deal with this Rodriguez issue. The guy is what he is and the stats are what they are, but still, something's missing. Here's what I know; when he steps to the plate against Boston I never feel half as confident that he'll get the big hit as I do that Ortiz and Manny will get the big hit against us.

I fear those two far, far more than I repose hope in Rodriguez. Am I the only one who feels this way?

As good as Rodriguez is, there are so many spots where I'd far, far prefer to see a professional hitter up there, someone like Mark Grace, say, or Paul LoDucca.

The thing is, I often wonder whether this team wouldn't be better by employing two or three of these types of hitters in place of Rodriguez.

The question to ask, in other words, isn't whether Rodriguez is overrated, but what alternative players could we get with that money.

Is it better to have two or three solid, quality players or one superstar?

It seems to me that when you look at the old Yankees and the Californias, Floridas and Arizonas that beat them, they did it without the Mannys and Arods and Ortiz'. And we're stuck with an Ortiz who never seems to step it up the way Ortiz does.

I'm not sure I'm being clear here, but the point is that Rodriguez is fine, I'm just not sure he's what the Yankees need and I'd not be sad to see him go in the right deal.

Of course I am biased against sluggers, far preferring to watch guys like LoDucca, so there you have it.

2006-05-23 08:53:51
17.   weeping for brunnhilde
Simone in the other thread made a comment about how event the Yanks with their payroll can't cope with this kind of disaster, vis a vis injuries.

Respectfully, I have to disagree. We were watching the game the other night and I lamented that the whole team was injured and my kid (3 1/2) asked why. "Because they're old," explained my wife.

And there you have it. None of this is unforeseen. Instead of sinking all this money into aging superstars, the team needs to return to the focus on depth that it had in the old days.

Remember in '98 how Tino, O'Neill and Bernie all went down and yet the club didn't miss a beat? Not one beat.

If only we as fans could vote for what kind of team we wanted to watch. I for one would cast my vote to stock the team with solid guys and the timely, second-tier superstar (a la David Justice or Matsui) rather than this pile-up approach.

Well, anyway, at least I'm enjoying watching Melky at the bat, he's giving me something to look forward to.

And how about Cano on the field? He's been spectacular. I think this is the best (infield) defense up the middle in years and years.

2006-05-23 08:55:27
18.   yankaholic
So last week, ARod hits one out of the park against Schilling at the stadium.. and he has rested the ghost and this week he strikes out and he is bad for the team??..

for crying out loud.. show some faith n patience in ur team's superstar..

sometimes u need the wind on ur back.. and i am quite sure, the liners that OFers snag only when he hits them.. will start going in the gaps..

u know its funny, when other sluggers like Manny or Vlad struggle they are in a "slow" phase or small slump..

but when ARod goes in a slump its a debacle.. right?? its sacrilege.. right.. how dare he with all of his 25 million not hit a HR every time he shows up...

oh wait isnt Giambi in a funk too?? funny, but we shrug it off.. saying he needs to or will get it back.. but we cant show that patience with ARod??

good lord..

2006-05-23 08:55:50
19.   Sliced Bread
Looking at the radiograph of his ankle in the paper this morning, I'm thinking the Yanks might try Barbaro in left tonight.

He has 23 screws in his leg, and doesn't quite fit the Yankee profile being young, and, you know, a horse, but there are less appealing options (see Long, Terrence).

2006-05-23 08:57:12
20.   Shaun P
13 Cliff, you have a point - the Yanks don't have anyone who is as bad as Neifi Perez, and Torre has never wrecked the arms of any of his starters. I guess I was just drawn to the veteran fetish both have, especially in the face of injury, and the incredibly poor benches each has had the last few years, mostly filled with black holes.
2006-05-23 09:00:16
21.   Cliff Corcoran
16 The classification of Rodriguez as a "slugger" in contrast to "professional hitters" such as Grace and Lo Duca is pretty silly if you ask me.

"Slugger" Rodriguez is a career .307 hitter who draws an average of 74 walks per year.

"Professional hitter" Grace was a career .303 hitter who drew an average of 78 walks per year and "professional hitter" Lo Duca is a career .285 hitter who draws an average of 43 walks per year.

2006-05-23 09:04:32
22.   Cliff Corcoran
18 And the Yankees are paying Giambi more than they're paying Rodriguez.

17 I think Matsui snapping his radius would qualify as unforseen.

2006-05-23 09:07:19
23.   yankaholic
Cliff, u r right.. not many ppl know that..

Texas pays abt 130 mill of the 252 overall..

and we are paying 120+ for 7 years..

2006-05-23 09:18:42
24.   domvjr
I am sure this was probably brought up last night, but how bad is the announcing crew on ESPN. Sutcliffe, is an ass, he should go back to drinking. O'Brien is not much better. In fact, The WWSN, announcing crews are all terrible. Besides the obvious red sox bias, they just talk sh*t, to hear themselves talk. I switched over to NESN, after two innings, and even though they are the Sox broadcast team, they were more even handed then those idiots over on the WWSN!
2006-05-23 09:18:55
25.   weeping for brunnhilde
21 It may be silly, Cliff, but I'm just telling you what I see while watching the games. If you think there's nothing to what I'm saying, fair enough. As I see it, Rodriguez seems tone deaf to the situation at hand, trying to pull balls he should flick the ball the other way, for instance. Just my opinion.

When I watch LoDucca hit, he just seems so expert on lining the ball to right field that he seems more dangerous in those spots than Rodriguez does. It could be a false perception, sure, but it looks to me like Rodriguez is trying to pull everything all the time and it's exasperating to me.

21 Cliff, do you really not at all see what I'm getting at?

Yes, Matsui going down is unforeseen.

2006-05-23 09:22:33
26.   C2Coke
All of the players would hit a slump from time to time. Sometimes, I just think Arod seems to have the wrong timing, say, the playoffs or when other players are injuried. Matsui had a slumping while last year but everyone else was hitting, no one paid as much attention.

When the Yanks are this down, whatever Arod DOESN'T do tends to be magnified. I have true faith he will pick it up but I just hope he can maintain his gold glove ability in defense when we are waiting it out. Those errors recently were harmful.

2006-05-23 09:30:32
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
26 Of course he'll pick it up, that's not my concern. It's just more about whether the team would be better served by putting that money somewhere else.

I'm not against the guy or anything, but honestly, I'm just not that impressed by him. His swing is amazing and smooth, of course, and his fielding is often sublime, but he doesn't seem to have that extra notch when he needs it.

I'm not trying to overreact or stir the pot but at the same time, I watch nearly all the games and I'm just offering my perspective, skewed though it may be.

2006-05-23 09:30:55
28.   C2Coke
From NY Times:

"... Jorge Posada returned to the lineup after missing two games with back spasms. Posada received heat treatment for the condition, but he burned a small area on his back and had a bandage there Monday. "

It just seems like ANYTHING can happen to this team right now.

2006-05-23 09:31:22
29.   Cliff Corcoran
25 I didn't say I didn't get your point, I only challenged your statement that "None of this is unforeseen." The Yankees completely booted their bench for the umpteenth season in a row and are paying the price because their regulars are aging and increasingly injury prone as a result. There's no doubt about that.

That said, David Justice was an aging superstar who had one last half-season of brilliance that carried the Yankees to a World Championship before age and injury wiped out his career. Your other example of a guy worth having is Matsui, whose injury is the primary source of the Yankees problems right now as Sheffield is due back tonight.

You then praise Cano and Cabrera, two kids the Yankees have promoted in lieu of making a trade for another overpriced aging superstar such as Justice, proof that the sort of thing you're saying you'd wish the Yankees would do, they're actually doing. So while you're point is well taken, your supporting evidence is a mess.

But I didn't say that, I only mentioned that Matsui's injury was indeed unforseen.

2006-05-23 09:33:27
30.   Rosbif22
According to yankees.com, these are the injuries so far. Which of them is caused by old age?

Shawn Chacon - Placed on the 15-day disabled list with a left leg hematoma.

Bubba Crosby - Placed on the 15-day disabled list with a strained right hamstring.

Tanyon Sturtze - Placed the 15-day disabled list with soreness in the front of his right shoulder.

Hideki Matsui - Placed on the 15-day disabled list with a left wrist fracture

Gary Sheffield - Placed on the 15-day disabled list with a left hand contusion

2006-05-23 09:35:10
31.   Rosbif22
Yes, of course, I realize that some guys are banged up but are still playing. I'm just wondering where the perception "well, they're old, they had it coming" is coming from.
2006-05-23 09:35:39
32.   C2Coke
27 When everyone is nice and healthy, it's definitely nice to have that superstar power. It's this kind of time when we have that kind of wonder.
2006-05-23 09:39:08
33.   YankeeInMichigan
As an high-profile, overpaid, pollished-toung import, A-Rod will not win the hearts of Yankee fans until he delivers a world championship. Recall how Reggie similarly did not become a "true Yankee" (Steve Goldman just loves the term) until Game 6 (which would never have happened if his teamates had not stepped up for him in the ALCS).
2006-05-23 09:40:27
34.   standuptriple
19 There's got to be a joke in there. Something about Barbaro walking into left field and a Long-face...
13 And yes, as a frequent torturee of his SF days I can testify that Dusty is far, far worse. But I do believe they are cut from the same cloth.
2006-05-23 09:40:52
35.   C2Coke
30 When I look at that list, I think "there is something wrong with the OF!"

Chacon's injury wouldn't have become a problem if he didn't pitch that day.

And surely none of us here mind that Sturtze is out for good.

You forgot what's his name? you know...it starts with a P...

2006-05-23 09:41:46
36.   KJC
Not to add fuel to the Terrence Long hating fire, but a Boston Globe article today said "Torre was encouraged by the swings of Long, who was brought up from Columbus Sunday." I can't believe Torre would actually want to run that guy out onto the field again after last night's performance.
2006-05-23 09:42:17
37.   weeping for brunnhilde
29 Good points, Cliff, thanks.

The thing about Justice was that it was timely, he was the right piece at the right time and his contract was appropriately short-term (wasn't it?).

Matsui's injury was unforeseen, right. I was just saying that he's the kind of free agent I prefer to see, maybe because the expectations aren't so high as they are for guys like Arod and Giambi.

Yes, Cano and Cabrera are a good sign, no doubt. I think the thing with Cabrera is that I'm worried they're not going to let him play out the year. I hope they do.

30 Good question. You're right, of course. I was probably thinking about Bernie, Jorgie Damon and Shef.

I may be way off base, though, admittedly.

2006-05-23 09:42:54
38.   YankeeInMichigan
I recall how, last year, everyone would marvel at Wang's poise (Torre would always use the term "unflappable"). This year, when a couple of runners get on base, he seems to lose his focus, delivering walks, wild pitches and meatballs. I wonder if, after having been bretrayed several times by his infield, he is trying to do it all himself.
2006-05-23 09:45:22
39.   standuptriple
I heard this morning that there are 126 players on the DL. I'm not singling anyone out, but it's hard to ignore that this seemingly large number might be due to increased testing?
2006-05-23 09:52:26
40.   Cliff Corcoran
30 Age factors in when those injuries to the outfield result in more playing time for Bernie. Age factors in when Jorge misses the entire Mets series because he wrenched his back. Age factors in with the complete collapse of Randy Johnson's mechanics. Age factored in each of the last two years when Mussina's elbow went kaput. Age factors in when Mariano Rivera takes more than a month to find his groove each year.

One also wonders, would a younger Sheff have healed faster? Would a younger Sturtze have endured further (not that I'm complaining)? Would not signing the injury-prone Pavano (not an age issue, but an injury-prone issue) have helped the Yankees improve their depth elsewhere? You're right that those five injuries are not age-related (nor is Farnsworth's tweaked back), but the plight of the team as a result is exacerbated by its age.

2006-05-23 09:53:08
41.   yankaholic
TESTIng.. well put it down to "amphs".. or "greenies".. not "roids"..
2006-05-23 09:57:38
42.   Cliff Corcoran
37 Justice was acquired in a trade for Ricky Ledee, Jake Westbrook and Zach Day. He lead a weak Yankee team to a Championship in 2000, then struggled throughout 2001, including the postseason. That winter he was dealt to the Mets for Robin Ventura (who in turn dealt him to the A's for a pair of forgettable pitchers). After one weak year with the A's he retired.

I'd still make that trade again in a heartbeat. To me the Championship makes it plenty worthwhile, but it's not a great example for what you're on about.

2006-05-23 10:05:14
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
42 Why isn't it a great example? He came in and did exactly what he was brought in to do, leading a weak team to the Championship, as you say.

My point is that he seemed to be a perfect fit and his role was clearly defined. And because of the situation, I didn't mind when he failed the next year because he'd already met and exceeded expectations the previous year. The problem there was that Torre should have played Spencer in the postseason instead because it was clear to all who had eyes to see that Justice was helpless at the plate.

My point is simply that he seemed to be an acquistion based on the real needs of the team rather than on his star power, as with Giambi and Rodriguez.

2006-05-23 10:19:26
44.   yankaholic
Err... only that i guess we got ARod because our "then" third baseman "Aaron boone" chose to play basketball game and injure himself and was out for the whole year..

and we also only got him because the gamer that he is.. he switched to 3B for the TEAMs sake and a chance to play for the Yanks..

remember when the BoSux tried to get him.. he offered to take a paycut and it was MLBPA that prevented that "precedent".. a fact which is lost on the "B" faithful

2006-05-23 10:25:13
45.   Cliff Corcoran
43 I was saying it wasn't a great example of the team avoiding aging superstars, but your response is well put. That said, the team really did need a big power bat and a first baseman when they signed Giambi. Yes, they overpaid for him, but he did fill a legitimate need. As for the Rodriguez trade, would you rather have Soriano plugging up second and maybe an overpaid, injury-prone Troy Glaus at third or Rodriguez and Cano?
2006-05-23 10:26:07
46.   yankaholic
And oh btw.. we had to pay only half of that monster contract for 5 years.. Yes he came to us at a cheaper rate than Manny for Boston or Kevin Brown for Dodgers or equal to Carlos Beltran for Mets..
2006-05-23 10:27:42
47.   Start Spreading the News
And we needed Giambi as well since Tino was approaching the end of his tenure with the Yankees
2006-05-23 10:31:47
48.   Dimelo
I was suprised to see this from Steve Lombardi (NetShrine). Actually...I was really suprised. I didn't know that ARod hitting a homerun last night would cause all this commotion.

http://www.waswatching.com/archives/2006/05/a-rods_daily_ca.html

2006-05-23 10:33:31
49.   Tarheel
I think that the Yanks should be happy to have an infield that is still relatively young (Giambi may not fit this) and they can count on for several years to come. They have an excellent future star outfielder that is only 21 and Hideki who is in his early 30s. Damon will be ok for a couple more years. They need a catcher, Pitching (of course), and some bench help. Maybe this is obvious, but I don't think that things are as bad as many say.
2006-05-23 10:34:29
50.   Schteeve
39 The number 126 is meaningless unless we know what the average number of players on the DL is on May 23, over the course of the last 10-12 seasons.
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2006-05-23 10:43:54
51.   weeping for brunnhilde
45 Thanks for the clarification, Cliff.

It's true the team needed a power bat when they brought Giambi in, no doubt. Honestly I can't recall what the alternatives to Giambi were (probably because at the time it was clear that the Yanks were going to get Giambi) but there must have been some other decent power available in a more balanced ballplayer. Maybe not, though.

As for the Rodriguez trade, yeah, I don't know, that's tough. I really don't know about that. Maybe I'd rather have seen top prospects come in from somewhere than Rodriguez, I don't know.

Good points.

2006-05-23 10:52:37
52.   standuptriple
50 Of course it's meaningless w/o backup. I doubt the number would have even been presented if it had little deviation from historical numbers. It was stated by Buck Martinez on XM Homeplate and I was just passing it along. But the average of 4 players per team seems a bit inflated just based on recent memory.
2006-05-23 11:04:43
53.   Cliff Corcoran
48 Soxaholics linked to that same article about Rodriguez's "mental performance coach." Reading the entire article (from the Boston Globe), the guy sounds like a complete con artist. I wouldn't trust that guy to save me a seat on the bus.
2006-05-23 11:07:44
54.   weeping for brunnhilde
45 Duh, I just remembered Nick Johnson. I can't recall what his status was when Giambi was picked up, but presumably by that point the organization knew they had someone with a lot of potential. So how about if they'd plugged him in at first and gotten a DH for the power, especially considering how often Giambi ended up DH'ing anyway.

Of course it would have been a gamble going with Johnson over Giambi, but I'd have been happy with that. That would have been one alternate solution to replacing Tino, anyway.

2006-05-23 11:12:03
55.   Dimelo
Wasn't Nick Johnson ALWAYS hurt? I seem to remember being pissed that he spent a ton of time on the DL. He was fragile....like Pavano.
2006-05-23 11:14:46
56.   jkay
A-Rod is not the problem.

The problems are:

Giambi stopped hitting.

RJ stopped pitching.

Injuries to Sheff and Matsui.

The can fix/solve most of these.

If RJ can pitch and Sheff/Giambi can hit, no one will care about A-Rod.

2006-05-23 11:18:19
57.   weeping for brunnhilde