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Hello, I Must Be Going

2006-04-19 07:27

by Cliff Corcoran

With a 12:30 start today, the Yankees' two games in Toronto feel more like a night-day double header than anything one might call a "series," but whatever it is, it's wrapping up this afternoon with Mike Mussina facing Ted Lilly. Moose has been surprisingly solid in his three starts this year, but has twice been outpitched by men more than a dozen years his junior. Fortunately for Moose, Lilly is just seven years younger than him.

For his part, Lilly had nothing in his first start, walking six in 2 1/3 innings before getting the hook, but came up aces against Boston in his last outing, using a nasty looping curve to rack up ten strikeouts while holding the Sox to one run on six hits through seven and not walking a single batter. The Yankees have had good success against left-handed curveballers thus far this year, beating the tar out of Barry Zito (7 runs in 1 1/3 innings) and Jeremy Affeldt (6 runs in 3 1/3 innings). Here's hoping that trend continues today.

Andy Phillips is scheduled to start at first base for the first time this year with Jason Giambi DHing, while Tanyon Sturtze is unavailable due to back pain. I consider both of these things good news. With Aaron Small just two rehab appearances away from being activated, I'd like to see Sturtze be the man he replaces in the pen. Wishful thinking, I know, but the Yanks have been trying to put wheels on this pumpkin for far too long already.

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2006-04-19 08:16:00

1. JVarghese81

"the Yanks have been trying to put wheels on this pumpkin for far too long already"

Amen to that...though I hadn't heard it put that way before, that's pretty much the best summary of the Tanyon Sturtze experiment I've read so far.

2006-04-19 08:31:50

2. Shaun P

One never wants to see a person get hurt - but if there was ever a fortuitous injury for this team, it's Tanyon Sturtze's back.

No offense to him, but I hope Tanyon's back prevents him from pitching for the next 6 months.

A front 5 in the pen of Mo, Lord Won'tPitchAgainAfter3rdOutRecorded-wacker, Dotel, Myers, and Villone sounds great, with no Tanyon to Sturtze things up. Short of making Proctor/Small a setup guy - and why would he with DoFarnMo? - I don't think its possible for Torre to misuse it. And imagine if Smith becomes one of 'Joe's guys'?

Suddenly things are looking rosy in the pen.

2006-04-19 08:48:14

3. pistolpete

But doesn't being one of "Joe's Guys" entail getting worn out in some respect?

I'm very impressed thus far with Matt Smith - It's only been 4 batters, but he's certainly fared better in relief than Chacon has in the past few outings...

2006-04-19 08:55:47

4. Yankee Fan in Chicago

OT, but anyone else checked out Phil Hughes' Tampa numbers?

3gs, 16 ip, 1 er, 0.63 whip, 18/1 k/bb. Holy smokes.

And the kicker. He's 1 and 2. Tampa must've been shut out in the two losses.

2006-04-19 09:08:15

5. tocho

"with no Tanyon to Sturtze things up". wow

2006-04-19 09:13:04

6. Rob Gee

4 Hughes is looking nice indeed. Next stop: Trenton.

As is Smith - makes you wonder how long before Villone is cut too.

2006-04-19 09:22:10

7. Cliff Corcoran

It took him until the 14th game of the season, but Torre finally has the right nine guys on the field:

Damon
Jeter
Sheffield
Rodriguez
Giambi
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Phillips

Here's hoping we see something like this much more often going forward.

2006-04-19 09:27:31

8. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Cliff, now if only he'd swap sheff /giambi, and jeter/damon

2006-04-19 09:42:05

9. Cliff Corcoran

8 I haven't linked my post about the Jeter/Damon leadoff debate on the sidebar, but if you search for "Out of Order" it'll be the first hit you get. My conclusion was that the difference between Jeter-Damon and Damon-Jeter is insignificant. I agree about the Giambi-Sheffield thing, however. I just don't understand how, of all possible combinations, Torre came up with one that burried his best OBP and put the two lefties back-to-back. The only reason I didn't complain in a post about it is that I figured Giambi would hit and Sheff would start slow and Torre would fix it by the end of the month, much like he did at the bottom of the order by pushing Cano up into the eighth spot, but Sheff is doing fine and the month is almost over.

2006-04-19 09:42:35

10. BklynBomber

Yankee Baseball at 9:30AM (PT)! Great way to start the day... unless they blow it again. ;-)

8 Definitely swap Giambi with Sheff right now...

2006-04-19 09:44:17

11. BklynBomber

Now yesterday, Wells would have snagged that. Maybe the breaks go our way today...

2006-04-19 09:48:34

12. BklynBomber

Glad last night's game was blacked out in retrospect, but today's is on both the Extra Innings package and ESPN...

2006-04-19 09:48:53

13. Jeteupthemiddle

4 Yeah, Tampa was shut out in Hughes' first and third start. And in his first start, the run he gave up wasn't even earned. Reason number 246537234 why win/loss records for pitchers suck.

2006-04-19 09:52:10

14. Jeteupthemiddle

That was a nasty curve ball Mussina just unleased on Adams.

2006-04-19 09:54:12

15. BobbyBaseBall

14 Thanks Jete. I was wondering how Mussina's stuff looked. I'm "watching" on ESPN's gamecast, and I saw alot of "Strike - looking" in the first two batters.

2006-04-19 09:54:50

16. Cliff Corcoran

13 Amen. Though you really need look no further than Johnson and Mussina to figure that out.

2006-04-19 09:57:41

17. Shaun P

Anyone else notice that Ted Lilly is pitching a SHUTOUT so far? ;)

2006-04-19 09:58:24

18. BobbyBaseBall

17 Nice!!!

2006-04-19 09:59:36

19. Jeteupthemiddle

16 Johnson and Mussina are numbers 12346323 and 23557645 respectively.

2006-04-19 10:01:42

20. Shaun P

I just realized - here's Cano facing a lefty. Props, Joe. Its the only way Robbie will learn.

2006-04-19 10:03:03

21. hensley

Ech, when is Cano going to learn to take a pitch? 0 walks this year so far, not good, and his AB was over before I knew he was up.

2006-04-19 10:03:19

22. Jeteupthemiddle

Fun stat given on YES, that I'm not sure ESPN said. Mike Mussina has set the order down in order 11 times this season...only Oswalt has done it more often.

2006-04-19 10:07:26

23. Shaun P

22 - Interesting, thanks!

I assume that good pitchers do that more often than bad pitchers. Wonder if that stat correlates to anything?

I'd also assume that short relievers who set down the side in order frequently are precious commodities.

2006-04-19 10:09:26

24. Cliff Corcoran

20 Torre's only sat Cano once this year and they've faced plenty of lefties (Zito, Affeldt, Santana, Chacin, now Lilly).\

17 I don't think that works with shutouts, but A for effort.

2006-04-19 10:12:18

25. Shaun P

24 Clearly someone on a Blue Jays blog must have mentioned that Moose had a no-hitter going. ;)

2006-04-19 10:12:33

26. pistolpete

How did Phillips look just before? Overmatched as usual?

2006-04-19 10:13:17

27. Jeteupthemiddle

Phillips looked really bad in that AB. K'd on 3 pitches.

2006-04-19 10:14:00

28. Rob Gee

Cliffy, I'm with you (finally) on Phillips getting shot, but we know another 3 K's today is going to really hurt him.

2006-04-19 10:15:20

29. Cliff Corcoran

28 Indeed. Of course I'll just keep blaming Torii Hunter. Curious . . . Torre, Torii . . . I smell conspiracy!

2006-04-19 10:16:33

30. Start Spreading the News

Something is amiss with Phillips (no pun intended). In Columbus averaged only 60 Ks in 2 years with about the same number of walks.

Here in the bigs, this year, he has 4Ks in 7 ABs. I know the dangers of small sample sizes.

But come on...

2006-04-19 10:18:12

31. Start Spreading the News

I have always liked Lilly when he was a Yankee and wished him much success when he was traded.

But I would love for ARod to hit one out here...

2006-04-19 10:18:29

32. Start Spreading the News

Foiled again. Intentional walk.

2006-04-19 10:18:44

33. tocho

this will come back to bite the jays... i know it

2006-04-19 10:19:01

34. pistolpete

It's one thing for Phillips to get fooled by one type of pitcher (fastball, curveball, etc.) or another, but he just seems to get fooled by everyone.

2006-04-19 10:19:28

35. Shaun P

SSTN, just speculation - but if you were in Phillips's shoes, and you were pressing way too much in the hopes of finally getting your fair shoot, wouldn't that probably lead to 4Ks in 7 ABs?

Someone on the bench needs to tell Andy to relax. It'd be best if it came from Joe, along with a promise to keep playing him.

2006-04-19 10:20:59

36. pistolpete

33 you were saying?

2006-04-19 10:22:08

37. rbj

35
Right, Shaun. It's hard to get the timing of ML pitchers down when you get very few at bats, and they're far in between.

2006-04-19 10:22:14

38. tocho

36 the game's not over yet... or something.

2006-04-19 10:23:39

39. Rob Gee

35 True dat. It would be really nice if he came out and said the obvious. You're the best hitter on the bench - you're going to be our DH.

Then let him play for 12 out of 14 games. And then evaluate with at least somewhat of a sample.

2006-04-19 10:25:27

40. Cliff Corcoran

So, the Yanks double steal and get nothing out of it because the Jays just walk the righty and K the lefty. Is that how small ball leads to runs?

I'm not bashing the double steal there actually, I'm just trying to say that you score runs by getting hits. If you don't get the hits, the rest is just a lot of dancing around and risking outs that don't have to happen.

2006-04-19 10:26:11

41. pistolpete

Following along through ESPN GameCast - obviously the stats aren't updated yet. Giambi vs TOR: .218, 0 HR's.

Someone get on that please.

2006-04-19 10:27:41

42. pistolpete

Wow, Mussina is being really efficient with his pitch count. I like this approach a lot - let's hope this translates into more innings for the long haul.

2006-04-19 10:28:22

43. Rob Gee

Moooooooooooooooooose!

2006-04-19 10:28:37

44. SF Yanks

Moose is lookin good!

2006-04-19 10:29:51

45. Cliff Corcoran

41 As per our last day game discussion, despite the flashy animation at ESPN, you just can't beat MLB's Gameday.

2006-04-19 10:30:24

46. Jeteupthemiddle

42 by "this approach" do you mean he just happens to be really on today? Because I don't think he is doing anything differently than normal, he just has all his stuff working.

2006-04-19 10:33:34

47. Mattpat11

30 Breaking pitches.

2006-04-19 10:34:03

48. Rob Gee

Come Andy - double in the gap...

2006-04-19 10:34:14

49. pistolpete

46 I overheard Michael Kay say he was intentionally working in the strike zone more, instead of trying to nibble at the corners and then being forced to throw a strike when he's behind...

45 ::whiny voice:: But I like flashy animations!!!

2006-04-19 10:35:02

50. rmd0311

46--- He is being alot more agressive

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2006-04-19 10:35:05

51. Mattpat11

At least he's getting walks.

2006-04-19 10:35:21

52. Rob Gee

Okay - better than a K....

2006-04-19 10:35:48

53. Jeteupthemiddle

49 oh. Personally, I ignore everything Michael Kay has to say about Mike Mussina because his hatred for Mussina is irrational, therefore, I don't think he is logical in his analysis of him.

2006-04-19 10:35:49

54. Cliff Corcoran

Okay, Phillips Ks on 3 pitches then walks on four? I have no idea what's going on.

2006-04-19 10:35:50

55. Shaun P

OK Damon, show us what ya got here.

Was that an IBB on Phillips? If not, nice eye.

2006-04-19 10:35:58

56. SF Yanks

Anyone have high-def? What a difference if you switch back from YES to ESPN high-def.

2006-04-19 10:36:15

57. BklynBomber

Distracted by clients... are you telling me that Lilly is still pitching a SHUTOUT?

2006-04-19 10:36:41

58. Shaun P

After 3 straight balls to Damon, I think I answered my own question 55. Lilly is losing it - time to cash in!

2006-04-19 10:37:16

59. Jeteupthemiddle

So Lilly completely lost the strike zone I guess.

2006-04-19 10:37:35

60. Shaun P

I hope it 57 works better for you Bklyn than it did for me 17. ;)

Let's go Cap'n 'Clutch'!

2006-04-19 10:38:24

61. pistolpete

53 I don't know if that qualifies as anything that would fall under 'irrational hatred'- seems like a fairly objective observation to me...

2006-04-19 10:39:36

62. Stormer Sports

Safe! Safe!

2006-04-19 10:40:17

63. BklynBomber

NO! NO! NO! In broad daylight, no less! Horrible call!

2006-04-19 10:40:21

64. Mattpat11

Never had that ball

2006-04-19 10:40:30

65. Stormer Sports

So, Moose is on today I take it? I just turned the game on.

2006-04-19 10:41:32

66. Jeteupthemiddle

Oh that had to be one of the worst calls all season.

2006-04-19 10:41:38

67. BklynBomber

60 I wuz robbed! ;-)

2006-04-19 10:41:45

68. Rob Gee

45 Minor complaint: ESPN needs a different color (yellow?) for 2 strike fouls though - you think the batter's struck out then you have to read the text.

2006-04-19 10:42:28

69. Rob Gee

68 Sorry meant MLB's Gamecast.

2006-04-19 10:42:36

70. Mattpat11

Here we go.

2006-04-19 10:43:11

71. Shaun P

Rats. I didn't mean Cap'n 'Clutch' as pejorative, BTW, just that he'd be called that whether he's really clutch or not. Just like even some Yankee beat writers refer to A-Rod as 'Mr. Clutch'.

2006-04-19 10:43:13

72. BklynBomber

Catalanato overslid the bag and Jetes tagged him! I saw it!!!

2006-04-19 10:53:55

73. Sliced Bread

The Yanks got screwed there, but it's really not the ump's fault they have left 8 runners on base.

2006-04-19 10:58:32

74. rbj

I gotta say I like Gamecast's use of gray for fouls better than Gameday's all red. It's hard to tell if a red strike is a third strike or just another foul.

2006-04-19 10:59:32

75. rbj

69
I agree.

2006-04-19 10:59:55

76. pistolpete

An A-Bomb! You know the rest..

2006-04-19 11:00:28

77. 42YrOldRookie

an AAAAbomb from AAAArod says Sterling. A go-ahead run by ARod.

2006-04-19 11:00:35

78. Rob Gee

You know when you're at a party then 'that guy' walks in and you know the tone is about to change?

2006-04-19 11:02:33

79. Marcus

There he goes again, padding his stats. /sarcasm

2006-04-19 11:02:49

80. Stormer Sports

Nice piece of hitting there by Posada.

2006-04-19 11:05:21

81. Stormer Sports

Posada's world famous base-running, but a run scores anyway, I'll take it!

2006-04-19 11:05:41

82. Cliff Corcoran

Wow, did Lilly just miss his spot there? He gets Cano to swing and miss low and away, then gets a called strike more low and away and the next pitch is not outside and in the dirt, but down broadway? You can't tell me Zaun called for that.

2006-04-19 11:07:30

83. Cliff Corcoran

81 I forget who posted it but someone in comments last year said Posada looks like he's caught between two cupcakes when he gets in a pickle like that, I love that imagery.

Poor Andy doesn't get a chance for a big hit there, I would have loved to see him up mid-rally with a man in scoring position.

2006-04-19 11:07:40

84. pistolpete

Someone tell me who was watching it on TV - did they choose to throw to 3rd instead of trying to get Matsui at home?

2006-04-19 11:07:49

85. Shaun P

Could someone with a TV picture (or mlb.tv) please explain what just happened?

2006-04-19 11:11:23

86. Sliced Bread

Matsui got the red light at third, but Posada came charging around from 2nd and got caught in a run down...

Matsui scored while Posada was in the run down.

Yanks caught a break there

2006-04-19 11:12:28

87. Shaun P

11 baserunners - 6 hits (not counting A-Rod HR) and 5 walks, and only 1 run. That will not happen often.

2006-04-19 11:13:28

88. Shaun P

Thanks, Sliced 86.

Anyone else having trouble connecting? I keep getting "Problem loading page" errors.

2006-04-19 11:13:48

89. pistolpete

86 Ah, that explains why no ribbie for Cano. Doesn't do my fantasy team any good, but a run is a run!

2006-04-19 11:14:45

90. Cliff Corcoran

88 I've noticed it. I'll see what I can do.

2006-04-19 11:16:08

91. Ken Arneson

88 90 I'm working on it.

2006-04-19 11:16:33

92. pistolpete

The Andy Phillips Paradox continues!

2006-04-19 11:17:54

93. Mattpat11

Phillips just looks overmatched against everyone

2006-04-19 11:19:34

94. tocho

poor andy, i feel for him. he's trying to do waaaaay too much...

2006-04-19 11:22:53

95. Shaun P

Much obliged 91, Ken!

2006-04-19 11:24:04

96. tocho

I really like Leiter's comments. imagine the combination o'neal-leiter (no Kay) on the booth. unfortunately they feel that someone needs to do the play-by-play.

2006-04-19 11:26:03

97. Marcus

96 tocho, any choice examples to entertain those of us stuck with the silent robots on MLB Gameday?

2006-04-19 11:29:32

98. Mattpat11

Oh for Christ sakes.

2006-04-19 11:30:33

99. tocho

97 he speculates what a pitcher may do on a given count and after a given pitch, and gives reasons why. describes the signs. essentially gives you a pitcher's point of view, and given that he was a very intelligent pitcher he give intelligent comments.

2006-04-19 11:30:42

100. Marcus

Based on the Gameday descriptions those last two by Adams and Frank the Cat were cheap hits ("soft liner to left field", "fly ball to center field"). True?

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2006-04-19 11:31:27

101. Shaun P

98 - fill us in!

I'll second Marcus's call 97 for good quotes from Senator Al.

2006-04-19 11:32:29

102. jedi

I know the stats don't lie and I've seen it for myself over the years. But, I just can't give in to this ridiculous excuse any longer that Giambi needs to play the field in order to hit consistently. By his throwing performance yesterday and how silly andy philips looks today Giambi needs to find a way to learn how to DH more often. Do something because Andy needs more at bats. This is just ridiculous watching him looked overmatched because he doesnt play often enough to get use to playing. And I know today's performance will dictate his short future on this club and its not fair. The guy is good! Can Giambi get AROD's therapist number or something? Hypnosis will work, right?! It's worth a try. Cmahn!

2006-04-19 11:32:46

103. Marcus

Sorry TV watchers, I'm probably asking for WAY too many details.

2006-04-19 11:32:57

104. Cliff Corcoran

I missed the Adams sequence, but the Cat and Wells singles were on pitches that appeared to be right over the middle of the plate above the knees. Bad location, is Moose losing his command here?