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The Yankees were exceedingly unkind to ol' pal Andy Pettitte and the Astros yesterday, whooping them 11-1 on their own field.
Lineup:
Bubba Crosby CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Jason Giambi DH
Jorge Posada C
Andy Phillips 1B
Mitch Jones RF
Russ Johnson 3B
Kevin Thompson LF
Miguel Cairo SS
Subs: Eric Duncan 1B, Felix Escalona 2B, Ramiro Pena SS, Omir Santos C, Kevin Reese CF, Kevin Howard DH
Pitchers: Mike Mussina, Ron Villone, Scott Erickson, Ramiro Mendoza, Frank Brooks
Big Hits: Mitch Jones (2 for 5) went deep twice for the second time in three days, Kevin Thompson cracked a pair of doubles in the process of going 4 for 5, Robinson Cano (3 for 4) and Miguel Cairo (1 for 3) also doubled, as did Russ Johnson (1 for 4), who's two-bagger was his first hit of the spring (though he's walked five times and scored four runs), Eric Duncan, who is now slugging .875 this spring, tripled in his only at-bat, Andy Phillips also had a big day going 3 for 4 with a pair of RBIs.
Who Pitched Well: Mike Mussina threw 77 percent of 78 pitches for strikes while allowing just one run on three hits and a walk and striking out eight over five innings. After the game he said, "I did everything I wanted to do, anything I wanted to do, in any count." Scott Erickson worked a perfect seventh. Ron Villone and Ramiro Mendoza each threw a hitless inning walking one each.
Ouchies:
The verdict on Johnny Damon's shoulder is tendinitis. The Yankees are taking that as good news and Damon will be limited to pinch-running and pinch-hitting duties for at least the next week be it in the WBC or Yankee camp. The main objective is to keep Damon from throwing, though I tend to wonder if a head-first slide or diving back to first on a pick-off attempt could do just as much damage.
Despite claiming to refuse comment on the fact that Damon's shoulder flare up happened in the WBC, Cashman did say that it was something "that sprung up because he pushed himself." With Korea's stirring 2-1 victory over Japan, the US can advance to the semifinals of the WBC with a victory tonight over Mexico. As WBC rosters can be altered between rounds, here's hoping the US sends Damon back to Tampa if that should happen. Regardless, the Yankees expect Damon to be ready for opening day.
Meanwhile, the big injury news from yesterday is that Aaron Small strained his right hamstring while doing his running on Tuesday and will likely start the season on the disabled list. With Small and Pavano, who threw 45 pitches in the bullpen yesterday, ticketed for the DL there are now two open roster spots for the season's first 15 days.
As I said before, I expect Pavano's spot to be filled by an extra position player much like Andy Phillips did for Kevin Brown last year. The favorite for that spot at the moment is Kevin Thompson, who is hitting .469/.514/.656 this spring, though by all rights Thompson should be given Bubba Crosby's spot on the roster with, say, Felix Escalona (.296/.321/.519) getting the extra spot. Of course, bearing in mind the uselessness of spring training stats, I'd rather see Kevin Reese take the outfield spot as there are still some doubts about Thompson that even his electric spring can't quiet. Either way, don't fret too much about the spot created by Pavano as the last man on the bench won't see a lick of action before the Yankees' need for a fifth starter boots him back to Columbus on April 15.
As for who will replace Small in the pen, you can scratch Colter Bean from your wishlist due to the fact that he's rehabbing from ACL surgery and still hasn't seen game action this spring. You can also cross off the three Columbus starters on deck, DeSalvo, Henn and Rasner (the last of whom has already been reassigned), as they'd be much better off starting in Columbus in preparation for the all-but-guaranteed injury-induced opening in the rotation than languishing in the major league pen. I'm wishcasting for Matt Smith, who despite giving up one monster solo homer has looked sharp to me. The problem there is he's only pitched 2 1/3 innings this spring. More likely we'll be subjected to watching "proven veterans" Ramiro Mendoza and, yes, Scott Erickson battle it out for Small's long relief spot.
Startlingly, Erickson has pitched more innings this spring than any Yankee hurler other than Johnson and Mussina. Gulp. Here are the spring lines of these two old hands:
Erickson: 8 1/3 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 3 BB, 8 K, 0-2, 2.16
Mendoza: 6 1/3 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 4 BB, 7 K, 1-0, 2.84
If forced to chose between these two, I'd take Mendoza in a heartbeat. My reasons are these:
Prodigal Son: With their 3-2 loss to Cuba, Puerto Rico has been eliminated from the WBC, which means Bernie Williams is on his way back to Yankee camp. Bernie was 2 for 4 with a walk and a lead-off home run in the loss and hit .250/.280/.542 with a double and two homers but just one walk in 25 plate appearances as PR's DH and lead-off man in all six games.
WBC: There are just four games left in the WBC, miraculously all will be shown live on ESPN (all times EST):
Thu 3/16: USA @ MEX (Angel Stadium) 7:30
Sat 3/18: CUB @ DR (Petco Park) 3:00 - semi-final 1
Sat 3/18: TBD @ KOR (Petco Park) 10:00 - semi-final 2
Mon 3/20: Winner 1 @ Winner 2 (Petco Park) 9:00 - Championship Game
Korea remains the only undefeated team in the tournament and looks to have the upper hand given their pitching strength and the fact that the final two rounds will take place at the pitching-friendly Petco Park. Indeed, if the US beats Mexico tonight and advances to face Korea in Saturday's second semi-final, I'd expect an easy win for Korea given the USA's inferior outfield defense (Ken Griffey Jr. in center is a nice thought, but an outdated one to say the least) and the fact that Korea already beat them once by a score of 7-3 in a game in which Korea was leading 7-1 after eight innings. Filtered back through Yankee glasses, this means the issue of Damon playing in any future WBC games is a minor one at worst and that Damon, Jeter and Rodriguez (but hopefully not Leiter) will all be back in camp by Monday.
Mooses post-throw interview with Harold. He claimed he threw too good. Working on a new pitch. Another Jank angle on the game.
Cano's. 3/4. Didn't know how to take the bait.
Erickson threw minimally. Will vomit if he and Leiter make the trip north. What is that about?
he has a helluva AFL season. he's sluggin .875. how do we find a place for this guy?
i am all for letting players mature, but sometimes people need to start young.
allow me to really stretch for a moment: players with a sense of destiny (records, hall of fame) generally have a bubble around them that helps foster the confidence it takes to stay great. that is: if a player thinks he is going to set some records or go down as "one of the greats", he is more likely to work his butt off (at least i'd like to think so). the only way a player can begin to amass the kind of numbers we'd be talking about (4,000 K's for pitchers, 500 HR, etc) is to start early. the future HOF'ers we talk about nowadays (jeter, griffey, clemens, bonds?, ARod) all saw action at the MLB level at a very young age. it seems doubtful that a guy who came in the league at 26 and piled up a few great seasons by 30 would be seen in the same light. we need to find a way to FIND a place for Duncan (and future Duncans) so they can have this chance. getting a coupld yougens on the field every day would also be a great PR move for the yankees. : )
when do we have giambi till?
My reasoning:
1) Man-of-Cash: I think the trading youth for established (over-the-hill) Vets was more the Tampa (win-now-worry-later) contingent. I think Man-of-Cash is smarter then that.
2) While we WANT to win the WS, we have gone 5 years without one, and the world has not imploded. I think there is actually a little less pressure to always 'win-it-all'.
Hell, last year we were 'successful' because we barely managed to crawl into the PS.
3) Everytime a Vet (like RJ, Giambi, etc) gets hurt... everytime a 10 million$ Yankee (like Pavano, and soon Damon) underperforms, I think Cash cringes, and the need to rebuild from the Farm up comes into focus.
4) I don't think our kids are highly touted enough to be trade bait for anyone really worth having. I want M. Cabrera. Can we get him? Only if Florida will take $$. Unlike the Sux, who have MLB ready trade bait, I just don't think we do. I don't think we will trade 3 (maybe) kids for one maybe Vet.
5) Cano and Wang... and maybe Phillips.
6) The Taxes keep going up. After Big George, the FO might not be as 'pound foolish'.
7) We do have some talent 3 or 4 years away.
To me.... we have Jetes, ARod, Cano, Wang and Matsui with 3 years (or more) as a base. Add one REAL position player (M. Cabrera) to build the nucleus, and fill the gaps with the kids. We will need some trade bait to rebuild our pitching (Moose, RJ, Pavano and Wright are all gone after 2007).
We will always BUY/ADD Vets/Ringers to fill the gaps (as we did from 1996-2001), but the days of trying to buy the majority of our roster are over.
Mendoza or Erickson? Liver or tongue on pumpernickel? Unappealing choices galore.
I understand the concern about Thompson (his tendency to get promoted and go into a deep freeze), but it's hard to ignore how good he's looked wheeling around camp.
Bernie who? Bubba what?
Let the kids play!
No pinch running, no pinch hitting, no pinching anything. Damon's pre-season activities should be reduced to signing autographs, and NOT talking about the Red Sox.
"Told of Damon's setback in Puerto Rico, the Yankees' Bernie Williams said, 'I better get my arm ready.'"
Oh dear God, no.
7 seems to make the point that Thompson should be brought out before he needs to produce, no? If he plays in this lineup this year and begins adapting to the pitching as opposed to a lineup where the catcher isn't hitting and Giambi, Matsui, Damon, and Sheffield are all a year older and hitting .235 for a year. . . .
Anyhow, I just read this piece on the WBC and I'd like to give Selig and his cohorts their due praise for truly bringing us a great event.
http://tinyurl.com/zonwn
BTW, why am I not worried about the Damon thing? If it were Jeter and/or ARod, then I'd be worried. We still have the BEST leadoff hitter in Jeter, so I have nothing to worry about. I would be comfortable with Thompson, Crosby or Reese starting in CF if Damon can't go. Damon or the Yanks don't seem too concerned. Neither should I. I mean...it would have been nice if the Yanks would have got Uncle Milton instead of Damon, but what can we do about that now?!?! (Let's see if that last statement gets a certain Uncle Milton fanatic going). :-)
I am not too worried about the open spots on the roster. Remember, this is Joe Torre we're talking about. Unless there's a terrible injury, or a long extra-inning game, my guess is we won't see whoever they are. Phillips made all of 2 late-inning subs without getting an AB before Brown came off the DL last April.
That said, this is why its bad to have useless veteran crap like Scott Erickson around. You never know when Torre might need to get his veteran fix . . .
I'd bring Thompson and Mendoza north, but that's just me.
I thought the Yanks-BoSox rivalry was intense. The intensity of yesterday's games was unmatched by anything I have ever seen on a baseball field. The cubans and the puerto ricans wanted to eat each pitch thrown, and regardless of the fact that the Koreans didn't have anything on the line on yesterday's game, they played their hearts out.
it reminds me (watered-down a bit) of the collegiate rivalries that make college sports so enjoyable but with the main difference that this is done at a professional and much higher level.
It was a magical day of baseball.
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I read recently that there's been a verbal fued going on between the Japanese and Korean players -- and as an extension, between Japan and Korean.
I read that Ichiro, among others, claimed that Korea had never, not will ever, beat the Japanese team. I guess yesterday's game answered that question.
There is a huge amount of national pride on the line here and my guess is that it extends to the USA Team as well. Maybe not to the point of fanaticism that we are seeing on the part of the Latin fans, but something tells me that, given the overwhelming presence of Latin players in the average MLB clubhouse, the American players don't want to go back to their respective teams having LOST to a Latin team.
Should that happen, can't you just see Ozzie Guillen flapping his gums non-stop about his beloved Latin players?
A reasonable manager/person would have played their B team out there, not their number 1 pitcher (see Yanks-BoSox with Wright on the mound on the last game at Fenway).
so many things are on the line on these games that go beyond sports. I was envious of the fire in the eyes of the cubans yesterday, they were passionate and in the same way professional. you could only hope to see that fire in the MLB, it simply does not exist. I know we have gamers and natural winners (Mo, Jetes, paulie), but their drive to win a game does not match what we saw yesterday.
the natural regional rivalry is multiplied in both cases (cuba v PR and Japan v. Korea) for historical and political reasons. The semifinal between Cuba and Dominican also looms that way. I wish we would have another Japan/Corea matchup for the other semifinal.
I'm sure that in the final game of the WBC unless the US in involved we will not see the fire and drive we saw yesterday.
"...Korea had never, NOR will ever, beat the Japanese team..."
The Korea/Japan game was a perfect rivalry affair, and the Japanese are beside themselves right now, thinking about what could have been. They had the tying runner on 1st with only one out in the bottom of the ninth and the last two guys struck out. Ouch.
If the US can advance by beating Mexico, I will be writing a preview of the Korea/US rematch with a focus on the Korean player profiles and a look at the overly nasty Korean media bias against the US. It's something to behold how much they hate us at times. You'd think that Kim Jong Il had some say in what his South Korean neighbors wrote about the United States sometimes.
um, right about now everyone, but maybe the Brits, hate us. But that's a topic for another forum and another time.
As I am assuming that the US will beat Mexico, I am looking forward to your preview of the Korean team.
Nas: You can hate me now, but I won't stop now...
Dave Chappelle: Kiss the Rings, bitch!
It was amazing to see the DR team celebrate after beating Venezuala.
My problem is not with the WBC concept - it's with the WBC implementation. It could have been oh so much better with:
1) November airdate = more great players
2) All games abroad in one region (Santo Domingo or Tokyo)
3) True tourney (double-elimination) with seedings
4) No ties, tiebreakers, pitchers throwing four innings, Al Leiter or Brian Schneider - possible if in Novemeber
So, at least one person thinks the WBC is far from right 28. There's something there worth building on but I'll be very disappointed if the implementation is the same in 2009. It's typical Bud - good but far from great (see also Juice testing policy).
1) I'm thinking that given what a huge success it's been and how much fun all the players seem to be having we'll see much higher participation in 2009 even if it remains in March. Also, I'm beginning to wonder if giving baseball hungry fans this level of competition isn't part of what is making it such a success. I for one am usually pretty burned out by November from eight months of baseball capped by the intensity of the playoffs and World Series.
2) They did have games in Tokyo and San Juan, and there's no saying they can't rotate the location like the World Cup.
3) One-and-out in baseball is sketchy at best but there's not time for a proper series of series. I think the format now works pretty well, though I'm concerned about the double elimination semis and finals.
4) I grant you this one, though on some level if you're going to make it single-elimination it almost seems more fair to force the teams to use more of their pitchers, otherwise one or two dominating pitchers could decide the whole shebang, which would be impressive to watch, but not much fun. I mean, imagine a team like the Koufax/Drysdale Dodgers or the '01 D-Backs in a single-elimination tournament. Is that any fun for anyone else?
Besides, I'm sure they'll tweak it somewhat for '09. They did eventually figure out that they needed to rotate divisions to keep interleague play interesting. There is some modest proof that the Selig crew can learn.
Your first point rings true, Cliff. Baseball hungry fans will be drawn to even semi-real baseball (which the WBC certainly is) this time of year. I find the grapefruit league games interesting but a bit boring after awhile, so the WBC is a pleasant diversion until the season starts.
No doubt my feelings would be more intense about the WBC if the players were not treated like little children, quickly whisked out of harms way at the first sign of difficultly.
For the WBC to be able to turn into the Ryder Cup of baseball, with players actively working to make the team, viewing audiences up the yazoo, and national pride at stake, the players need to be able to leave it all on the field. Pitch counts be damned. Roger pitches tonight until his arm falls off. This is Game #7. Everything is on the line.
Or it's just an exhibition and who wins really doesn't matter.
Can't have both, at least in my eyes.
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http://tinyurl.com/gyff9
Derek should've been her first.
I was a real naysayer concerning the WBC. I think I've seen the light. It's been kind of neat. I must say however that I've enjoyed Simone's breathless excitement and her play by play reports almost as much as the games themselves. You go Simone.
My real problem must be with Uncle Bud. But I guess that's a rant for another day.
Granted, the only WBC action I've witnessed was the US pulverizing South Africa, which was actually sickening, and a disgrace to the sport. It was like watching Mike Tyson punching Sasha Cohen around the ring.
Look, Russ Johnson just hit a home run in a split-squad game at Tampa to bring the Yanks within two runs. That, I'll watch.
If that's all you've seen, you're hardly in a place to complain. I was a vocal naysayer about this whole circus, until I was rewarded with some incredible baseball. Still think the jury's out on a lot of the implementation, but most of the games have made it more than worthwhile.
March rules out:
1) Other locations - players won't want to fly to Japan to then fly back two weeks later (recall Yanks/TB in 2004). On the other hand, I would love to fly to Tokyo in Novmember to watch the US play Japan and eat a ton of sushi while I'm at it. I can't think of a better way to end the baseball season.
2) Going off to Santo Domingo for two weeks in March won't be seen as a vacation by the players. In November it would. Once they're in shape - they can compete and have fun.
3) In November, it doesn't have to be one and out. I could imagine round 1 is pooled play. Round 2 could be double elimination. Six games in eight days - short and oh so sweet.
4) I want to see each country's best against another country's best. Would Japan have been beat by Korea if Godzilla played? Would Cuba have beat Panama if Mo played? Maybe more players will play in March next time, but my prediction is you'll get the most superstars if it's in a foreign locale in November - vacation and competitive baseball. March will never be a vacation, and so, some down-to-business players will stay home.
Sorry folks - I'm glad the WBC is off the ground. I just wish it could soar.
Obviously, I can't criticize games I haven't seen, and I'm not. But just because a few of the games have been exciting, doesn't mean everybody has to care about them, right?
I'm excited to see any of the 4 teams honestly. I'd like to see Cuba play, or Korea. Those guys have played great baseball. If the US limps in, I'll be happy to cheer on Jete and A-Rod. I'll be wearing my Yanks hat for sure.
For the vast majority of teams, the season ends on October 1, not November 1. Guys have been on vacation for a month by the time November rolls around. So, who will actually be 'in shape'? The guys who played in the Serious are the most tired of all?
And because of that time off, down to business ballplayers are just as likely to stay away in November as they are in March, if not more so. They'll want to rest up for the next season. Take Mo for example - lately he's been resting his arm completely in the offseason. He's not going to want to keep his arm in shape for that month off. And how would he even do it? Why add the extra wear and tear? It'd be like having a second spring training, just in October.
Some good ideas and I hear where you're coming from, but I don't think November works. A lot of the problems that have been identified are just inherent in having such a tournament, and won't change whenever its held.
No time is ever ideal - I just think November is better. For eight days of baseball at that, not one month.
I agree that most players would be off for a bit at the end of October. I'm not sure what the solution there is but I still think it's better than the March WBC becuase more players will play and the games will be more competitive cause there's fewer risks.
As for the "they can afford the vacation" bit. This is true, but everybody loves freebies - I don't care how rich they are (see Oscar gift baskets). A free family vacation is added incentive. But the idea is that more players would commit when they're done with their employers. And maybe MLB could up the goodwill component by donating the proceeds to baseball academies in the host country? (and maybe I could hit a Unit fastball...)
Hopefully Cliffy, we can all click on enough of these ad links over the next few years that you can make a scouting trip to Japan. Maybe mikeplugh will let you sleep on his couch? Me, I would save for years to watch a week of international baseball while eating sushi non-stop.
http://tinyurl.com/mern2
Keep the prayers coming for Jorge. Otherwise, it's Kelly-time!
NOW can we all agree that letting Flash go and picking up Farnsworth was a wise decision by Cashman and the FO? Everyone knew that Gordon's arm was going to fall off sooner or later. Looks like it'll be sooner...This spring training injury is only a bad omen for Flash and the Phils..
Next time around, many players will take it more seriously and start working out on February.
Now, I'm just hoping Oliver Perez, Cantu and the rest of the boys take care of my friends ARod and Jeter. This is the first time in my life I'm rooting v. Jeter.
I would love another Japan v. Korea matchup, and a Far East v. Latino final would be very contrasting and interesting.
I think letting Flash walk - and getting a draft pick out of it to boot - was a superb move on Cashman's part.
Speaking of relievers with suspect arms - I see Sturtze didn't pitch very well today. I hope Wright can do some good work in the pen.
Yep, still think the WBC's a crock, brought to you by a hoard of profiteering suits at MLB. Moreover, I could care less about nationalistic bragging rights, but do give quite a damn about Yankee stars who are not yet in baseball shape blowing out shoulders and tearing ACL's. Then again, I've also been a bit wrapped up lately in building my Kevin Thompson shrine in the den to pay attention to much else.
Thompson has an 0-fer day, oh no!
of course I'm rooting for my countrymen even though they are technically eliminated, they want to beat the US BAD.
vamos Mexico!
Let me just add that I'm dying of embarassment if they lose this game so they better not.
This should be interesting...
yankz, the post link works fine. How do you do that? I'm sure it's on here somewhere, have not found it yet...
Simone: agreed, Japan had that coming. Good for them. And face it Magic, Larry and Air was the last American 'dream team' we'll ever see.
The memories I'll take from the inaugural WBC is... well... er.... Miller's riveting interview tonight with Bud Selig, and, ummm, no Yankee getting seriously injured.
A decent concept, but I doubt it could have been planned more poorly. Kinda glad it's over, 'cause now I hope everyone can get focused on one thing:
#27
(Oh, crap. I hope I didn't just jinx the whole season.)
BklynBomber,the WBC isn't over. Now it is on to Japan/Korea and DR/Cuba. These will be some of the best baseball games. All the historical and regional tension and pride among these countries and their wild crazy fans. We may actually get some fistfights in the stands and on the field. Bring it on. I'm getting goosebumps already.
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