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As expected, Flash Gordon is leaving New York so that he can be a closer once again. Reports have it that Gordon has agreed to a 3-year, $18 million deal with the Phillies. The Yankees would have liked to sign both Gordon and Kyle Farnsworth. They still haven't finalized a contract with Farnsworth, and now appear to have some healthy competition for his services from the Texas Rangers.
Meanwhile, according to the New York Post, the Marlins have asked the Yankees for Sean Henn and Scott Proctor in return for center fielder Juan Pierre.
Tom Gordon Referred To As 'Uncle Tom' By Nephew
NEW YORK--Yankees reliever Tom Gordon was shocked and offended when his nephew Jason referred to him as "Uncle Tom" during a family dinner on Sunday. Gordon reprimanded young Jason and demanded an apology. "Apologize to me now, young man!" Gordon snapped to the confused 6-year-old. "That is a disrespectful term that brings back memories of slavery and discrimination. I don't know where you learned that, but I have a mind to wash your little mouth out with soap. Now apologize!"
"I'm sorry! I'm sorry!" cried Jason, his eyes welling up with tears. "I was just gonna ask you to pass the salt, Uncle Tom! Oh shit, I said it again!"
2. Glaus(Jeter to CF)
3. Platoon Bubba and Thompson
4. Get Hunter for Henn.
Would that be Tori Hunter for Henn? Sean Henn? Even Up? Ok, I'm in.
Willie Mays Hayes: Willie Mays Hayes. I hit like Mays, and I run like Hayes.
Lou Brown: You may run like Hayes. but you hit like shit.
He's a f'en cattle thumper and probably believes intelligent design supersedes anything that has to do with evolution. I see Kyle being a Chad Curtis type and going off on Jeter for not brawling and decking some player when the benches clear.
And is there a chance we're going to bring back Ruben Sierra. Oh dear god...
Anyone remember the '03 Series? Our guys never got comfortable with Pierre out there.
Batting Pierre 9th would mean plenty of 1st to 3rds and scoring from 2nd on bloops.
But batting Pierre 2nd and Sheff 3rd. Forget it. Imagine the destruction with Gary Sheffield seeing nothing but fastballs.
I'm literally drooling.
How about sugar-free rice cake?
Trade for Pierre, bat him 9th. Sign Nomar as your DH and utility infielder.
Jeter, Nomar, Sheffield, Arod, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Pierre.
Um, yes please
Womack is 10 years older and has a career OBP 40 points lower. Pierre was down last year, but his career is .355. Not horrible for a lead-off hitter, pretty fabulous for a number 9 hitter.
The only knocks on Pierre. Minor - he gets caught stealing a little too often. Major - He is a horrible defensive outfielder, averaging -10 over the past three years. That's Manny territory.
Today, right this very moment, Bernie is as good a defensive center fielder as Pierre. Bernie is a better offensive player than Pierre.
He really wasn't worse than Bernie in 2004 and 2005. He had much more time in center than did Bernie. But it is true that he was no better than Bernie. And Bernie is still the more valuable offensive player.
Didn't the Yankees once have a guy in centerfield from Oklahoma? Isn't Oklahoma a lot like, say, Kansas? Other than making the mistake of hanging out with Billy Martin and Whitey Ford at places like the Copa and drinking himself into an early grave, didn't this guy from Oklahoma acquit himself fairly well as a ballplayer in the Bronx?
What I had in mind by cow is " a female of domestic cattle of the Genus Bos" sometimes referred to as Bovine. What did you have in mind? I hope Farnsworth is willing to be a little open minded or this could be really ugly. I wonder if he has visions of "West Side Story" running through his head. Rocker? Oh my sainted aunt.
And one of most famous lines came at the expense of Reggie Jackson. I think it was during spring training, 1978. The team was on a bus and guys were busting chops, with Sweet Lou is the middle of it all. When a delivery bus rolled past the bus, Reggie said something like, "There's Rivers in five years." To which Rivers mused [and I'm paraphrasing] , "Reginald Martinez Jackson...you've got a white first name, a Spanish middle name and a black last name. No wonder you are so fucked up."
First, Farnsworth is going to get more than Gordon. The talk the other day was $17 over three years. Gordon got $18. With Gordon gone and Texas interested, Farnsworth will likely get $20. And don't forget, Texas has spent more money more foolishly than any team in baseball, including the Yankees. You don't want to be competing dollar for dollar with them.
The Rocker/Farnsworth connection had nothing to do with the south. Kansas is not the south, neither is Oklahoma. It was a loose screw connection, not a geographical one. Oil Can Boyd was a southerner and everyone knows just how stable and level-headed he was.
To add to the Mick, wasn't Maris from a small, midwestern town too? Didn't he hit a HR or two and win a couple of MVPs even while the media gave him a hard time?
Also, isn't DJ from a smallish town in Michigan?
I have no idea how Farnsworth will turn out (hell I don't even know if we'll sign him at this point), but I wouldn't read too much into these stereotypical things.
Guiliani had all the homeless people in NYC secretly whacked, right? Guiliani and Steinbrenner are thick as theives. Steinbrenner could do without Womack...
now, I'm not suggesting we whack the guy, but couldn't he wake up in a dumpster in Trenton or something?
From looking at the stats, Pierre seems to be a slightly better hitter than Bubba, higher OBP by a few points (though with Bubba PH a lot its hard to tell) and a higher OPS.
However, Bubba's got better fielding stats and range factor in CF than Pierre so I'd question how much of an upgrade he really is. Is it worth giving up a decent pitching prospect? What is the projection on Henn?
My only real point here is that assuming someone will behave in a certain way based purely on where they are from is really not a good idea. (Hey, Manny is from NYC ;) )
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Apparently Schuerholz holds somewhat of a grudge from the Sheffield deal, since the Yankees/Sheffield delayed the deal until after the arbitration deadline, the Yanks avoided passing on a draft pick to the Braves. Schuerholz smells a similar situation here.
The Yankees are getting a first round (or possibly first round supplemental?) draft pick from the Phillies for the Gordon signing. It would be nice to avoid losing one for Farnsworth.
as far as the "snag" goes, it seems like it might not hurt to spend a couple million extra in exchange for keeping our 1st rounder. obviously it's not a lock, but maybe a college outfielder would help in a few years when sheff and matsui are wanting to leave.
Similarly, the Yanks now own the Phillies first pick for the signing of Gordon.
I think they automatically lose a pick if they sign a player before a certain date(12/7, I think). That is how the Yanks get a pick from Gordon. I don't think the Yankees offered him arbitration or could until that date.
baseball.about.com/od/fantasybaseball/a/2005dates_2.htm - 26k
Here's a pretty conscience explanation of the rule and logic behind teams use of it.
I don't like the Farnsworth signing much - I hate the idea of overpaying for relievers after Mo - and yeah, he sounds like as worthy successor to Jeff Nelson in personality as well as stuff. But come on, he's from a city of 360,000 people, not some small town in the boonies.
The Yankees had two center fielders from Commerce, Oklahoma - Mantle and then Murcer. That was mining country, not farming.
Not for nothing but I've got an article up on CNN.SI.com. It's on free agency:
Check it out if and when you get a chance.
The Farnsworth case seems a no brainer. Atlanta is going to offer him arbitration and he'll turn it down. There's no way an arbitrator is going to award him more than he's going to get anyway in this ridiculous market.
In some cases there's a risk on the part of the team, in this case Atlanta, in that they'll wind up going to arbitration, losing, and finding themselves stuck with a player they may not want at a salary they may not want to pay. I can't see that happening here.
In the case of Derek Lowe last year, it is believed that the Red Sox and Lowe had agreed that they were going to offer and he was going to decline.
Check this out: http://www.mickeyrivers.com/quotes_baseball.shtml
Appears they've signed Farnsworth
wow. Special, huh?
Its clear my procastination level is .28 higher than yours ;)
DAMN YOU ESPN!!!!
Congratulations. A great achievement and keep up the excellent work.
For example, how about a three way deal wherein we send Henn and Proctor to Florida for Pierre, who we flip to the Angels for Darin Erstad and a catcher named Michael (either Napoli or Collins)?
I caught this at the end of Rosenthal's article on the Castillo trade:
"Castillo will not be the last Marlin traded. Catcher Paul Lo Duca is drawing interest from the Diamondbacks and Rockies, while center fielder Juan Pierre is on the wish list of the Yankees, Cubs, Angels and several other clubs.
For Pierre, the Marlins likely would seek a prospect like third baseman Eric Duncan or right-hander Philip Hughes from the Yankees."
So it doesn't seem like George King's sources had the right idea with Henn and Proctor. I don't think Pierre is worth Hughes or Duncan. Rosenthal's been on top of everything so ar this off season, so I'm willing to trust him a little more.
I'm not sure why I have Mickey Rivers on the brain but here's his 1978 numbers vs. Pierre last year (both off years) and career numbers.
'78 Rivers .265/.302/.397 25 SB 5 CS
'05 Pierre .276/.326/.354 57 SB 17 CS
I don't know about other Yankee fans but I LOVED Mickey Rivers when I was a kid. Rivers had more pop but Pierre is comparable today. Kids will love Pierre and he'll be more than serviceable in CF if the Yanks get him. I'll take Pierre in CF any day over Crosby. I say get him.
If we don't get Farnsworth who sets up Rivera? Tell you what I might have gotten a little excited if we didn't get Farnsworth only not in a good way.
45 - I think the Phils actually could have had two of these extra picks, one of them I am sure is from losing Wagner to NYM. The other one may have been some weird form of reward for Ugueth Urbina deciding all of his friends are Tony Womack!
Pierre may be a LITTLE better then what we have, but not enough to trade away anybody worth anything.
I gotta say I'm impressed with the solid thinking/action of the FO. We have been very responsible and have not made any desperation moves. Money in the bank means a good signing mid-season... when someone we really want is avaible for the right terms.
Now Florida wants Cano on a deal for Juan Pierre. Can you say get stuffed on the internet? Jeez why don't they ask for all of George's turtle necks while they're at it?
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