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Relic

2008-10-25 12:01

by Cliff Corcoran

All of the baseball cards that I use to illustrate my posts are from my personal collection, which includes every regular-issue Topps set dating back to 1979. The first complete set I ever owned was the 1987 set. It remains one of may favorites both because of its nostalgic significance to me, and because of its appealing design and fine photography. With the recent quasi-retirements of Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds (the latter of whom was pictured on the first card in the first pack of 1987 Topps cards I ever bought, his .223 average prompting me to think he was some skinny slap-hitting nothing), the last remaining active player who had a card in the 1987 set is Jamie Moyer (Moyer's then-teammate Greg Maddux is the only other active player from the 1986 season, but his first Topps card was a 1987 traded card). I had written Moyer off as a scrub in the early '90s. He was released by the Rangers after the 1990 season and spent most of the 1991 and all of the '92 seasons in the minors, and I figured he was just another anonymous face on a baseball card that I'd never see again.

Instead, Moyer quickly resurrected his career with the Orioles and, after a quick layover in Boston, emerged as an unconventional star with the Mariners just before the turn of the century. Last October, I found myself at his locker in Citizens Bank Park, interviewing him about Coors Field in anticipation of his Game 3 NLDS start, and now, 21 years after I pulled his rookie card out of a pack I bought on a trip to the mall with my mom, he's starting his first World Series game at the age of 45, and I'm writing about how he could cost the team he grew up rooting for a chance at its second championship, for SI.com. I guess we've both come a long way.

Incidentally, the sight of Moyer in a Cubs cap on this card reminds me of the ex-Cub factor, a theory which was popularized in the 1980s stating that the winner of a playoff series could be determined by finding out which team had fewer former Cubs on its roster. The 2001 Diamondbacks (and the 2003 Cubs, who actually won a playoff series themselves) blew a hole in the theory, but for yucks, Phillies Moyer, Matt Stairs, and Scott Eyre outnumber the Rays' lone ex-Cub, Cliff Floyd, three to one.

Finally, here's the factoid from the back of the pictured card: "Jamie pitched 3 consecutive No-Hitters at Souderton Area High Scool, Souderton, Pa. in 1980." Yes, 1980.

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2008-10-25 13:16:05

1. Mattpat11

I'm still holding out hope that the Phillies can achieve the honor of losing a World Series to every AL East team.

2008-10-25 16:11:20

2. thelarmis

game won't start til at least 9.5 (read: 9:30)

Jazz Tokyo, JL and others - i'm still on this crazy Blue Note binge. went to another coupla stores today and bought more RVG titles. sifted thru some jazz vinyl, as well. i saw MJQ have an old John Lewis tune entitled "Baseball" - i'm not sure if that was mentioned on a somewhat recent thread where Cliff was mentioning Rock 'n Roll and baseball tunes, etc...

GO PENN STATE!!! : )

2008-10-25 19:05:28

3. thelarmis

game on! good for jamie moyer. i'm rooting for him tonight.

2008-10-25 19:11:28

4. thelarmis

jamie moyer's old
carlos pena two out walk
i love baseball lots

2008-10-25 19:13:37

5. thelarmis

4 rays up 3 out
no ones at the banter now
philadelphia

2008-10-25 19:15:34

6. OldYanksFan

Here!
Gotta wonder how many more years Moose might have if he was motivated to play. Moose has much better stuff the Moyer.

2008-10-25 19:35:26

7. Cliff Corcoran

6 What changed for Moose was that he started pitching inside, which is what Tom Glavine did in 2004. There were diminishing returns for Glavine, who missed most of this year due to injury, but it probably bought him four more years and got him to 300. The same could happen for Moose if he wanted to come back.

2008-10-25 19:36:46

8. Cliff Corcoran

Man, if you guys read my SI thing, these last two half innings fit the pattern. Phillies strand runners, Rays get fewer runners, but get them home.

2008-10-25 19:45:17

9. thelarmis

had to make beer run
pennsylvania takes the lead
phillies and penn state

2008-10-25 19:45:36

10. Just fair

Man, if this inning happens vs. the Yanks it's a 3 run bomb.
Good thing for the Rays they had those 2 slick defensive plays.

2008-10-25 19:48:23

11. thelarmis

hey, moose bats lefty! c'mon back mikey moose. 300 wins are within your reach. so is 3,000 k's and 4,000 innings, not that the latter is some major milestone, or anything...

8 i have been reading your SI columns, but more skimming than reading thoroughly. i'm glad your excellent writing and analysis is being picked up by some mainstream outlets. you should be a major force in MLB, as far as i'm concerned! : )

2008-10-25 19:59:02

12. thelarmis

wow, nice play by navarro. perfect throw. nailed j-roll...

2008-10-25 19:59:53

13. Cliff Corcoran

11 Thanks, man. I wasn't fishing for a compliment, but I'll take it.

Navarro threw out 38% of baserunners this year. It hurts to see him in the World Series with another team. The first Randy Johnson trade was a disaster.

2008-10-25 20:00:25

14. Cliff Corcoran

12 Jimmy got Ray Rolled.

2008-10-25 20:02:16

15. Cliff Corcoran

Man these guys can play some D, aye? That's why they win, the stats back it up.

2008-10-25 20:02:46

16. OldYanksFan

Should the Yankees sign this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHz1ZcTLwXc&feature=related

2008-10-25 20:06:28

17. thelarmis

wow, my nitanny lions just won at ohio state for the first time in THIRTY years! we're still undefeated.

We Are...PENN STATE!!!

happy for JoePa : )

2008-10-25 20:08:23

18. Cliff Corcoran

16 If he can get pitches two feet high and outside called strikes, sure. Otherwise, they already have Kei Igawa to throw those pitches.

2008-10-25 20:22:28

19. Just fair

Was Buck seriously going on and on about how exciting tomorrow's football games are going to be? Howz about tonight's game. Effin' douche!

2008-10-25 20:25:00

20. thelarmis

19 that and the show 24. he hates baseball.

2008-10-25 20:31:12

21. thelarmis

jason bartlett, jimmy rollins is not.

2008-10-25 20:33:04

22. thelarmis

this game is much more enjoyable on mute with the sounds of horace silver on the stereo : )

2008-10-25 20:37:37

23. Cliff Corcoran

21 Ah, he's pretty good. Just a bad play.

Rays gotta get that run back, they're getting a bit too close to Madson/Lidge.

2008-10-25 20:37:48

24. thelarmis

71 pitches thru 5 for moyer. he sure is gettin' it done so far tonight. he got 4 outs that inning. rollins havin' a rough game/series/postseason. i wonder if he booted that ball, thinkin' about the caught stealing. he easily would've made it to 3rd on werth's bloop hit and probably scored last frame...

2008-10-25 20:39:59

25. thelarmis

23 oh, i know. and i like j-roll. i loved that he and granderson did the 20x4 club last year. i think he's just pressing and was probably still upset about the caught stealing. he does have 2 hits tonight...

i'm totally cool w/ the Phils winning tonight. and the whole Serious.

hey, while it's kinda dead here - you still dabbling in playing some music, cliff? hope so!

2008-10-25 20:43:44

26. thelarmis

carlos ruiz is having himself a nice series. cliff - you had a wonderful point about him basically averaging out from poor series to hot series in your SI column...

i really don't care for pitchers hitting...

2008-10-25 20:47:22

27. Cliff Corcoran

Alright, I know he's gotta promote it, but damn, Joe, shut the hell up about the football, okay? I mean, I'm a football fan, too, but I know that they play the games on Sunday, I don't need a long rambling reminder during the freaking World Series.

2008-10-25 20:48:56

28. Cliff Corcoran

25 Outside of noodling around in the basement, no, not really, sadly. It's one of those things that, now I wonder how I ever had the time.

2008-10-25 20:52:28

29. thelarmis

27 the mute button is your friend!

28 i hear ya, man. you have a drumkit in the basement?

2008-10-25 20:54:37

30. Cliff Corcoran

B.J.'s gotta be stealing here. Run on those slow pitches and Ruiz's average-to-sub-average arm.

2008-10-25 20:56:36

31. Cliff Corcoran

29 Yeah, my former drummers'. He lives in a condo apartment. I've had it for . . . heck might be close to two years now. Also a couple guitars (but I need to fix or replace one of my three crappy amps), and an assemblage of toy instruments (Casio keyboard, harmonicas, toy drum pad/sound effects/random noisemakers).

2008-10-25 20:57:01

32. thelarmis

30 moyer channeling his best pettitte/langston/rogers...

2008-10-25 20:59:28

33. Cliff Corcoran

Ha! Safe on the pickoff! Too slow, old man!

2008-10-25 21:00:35

34. Cliff Corcoran

Oh man! Longoria hit that a mile and the wind killed it. Oh that hurts.

2008-10-25 21:01:19

35. Cliff Corcoran

I'm thinking "is it fair?" Never considered "is it out?"

2008-10-25 21:01:26

36. thelarmis

31 your basement sounds like heaven! : ) esp. the "random noisemakers" part. there'll be a 6-minute piece on my somewhat-soon-to-be-released solo percussion cd that is chock full o' "random noisemkaers"!

wow, upton steals successfully even on the throw over. that kid has mad skillz.

whew! longoria flies out to the warning track. that was close. moyer at 86 pitches. i say send him out for the 7th to face crawford, but have the pen ready for backup...

2008-10-25 21:03:50

37. underdog

I thought that ball was hit out of the stadium. How did it become an out? Crazy.

2008-10-25 21:04:27

38. thelarmis

jamie moyer = gene simmons. yikes! : ~

2008-10-25 21:05:44

39. Cliff Corcoran

36 Well, like I say, I need a viable amp and the noisemakers are actually just toys . . .

Oh, that's a back breaker for the Rays. They don't get the two-run jack and the Utley hits one to pad the lead? Game over.

2008-10-25 21:06:27

40. Cliff Corcoran

38 Nice emoticon! Moyer's younger than Simmons. By a lot.

2008-10-25 21:07:07

41. thelarmis

utley crushed it. 3-1 phils. i think it was cliff - perhaps in an SI preview? - that pointed out that whilst The Bank is a bandbox, it was only the 11th best park for homers, so not even in the top 3rd. not quite the homer haven we might think? then again, didn't the phils lead all NL teams this season w/ homers at home? ah, i'll shut up now. wish buck/tim would do the same...

37 what's up, man? up from your nap?! ; )

2008-10-25 21:08:04

42. Cliff Corcoran

Of the 8 Phillies runs in this series, 6 have come on homers.

2008-10-25 21:08:13

43. thelarmis

shit, i actually called howard going deep, but didn't type it! no, really, i did!!!

2008-10-25 21:08:23

44. Cliff Corcoran

Make that 7 of 9. Like I said, game over.

2008-10-25 21:08:36

45. thelarmis

42 how many of those solo shots?

2008-10-25 21:08:59

46. Just fair

Atta Boy, Chase. That was a shot.

2008-10-25 21:09:47

47. Cliff Corcoran

41 'tweren't me

2008-10-25 21:10:25

48. thelarmis

40 oh yeah, definitely younger than Chaim Werz, or whatever his real last name is. simmons, actually was a substitute teacher at my high school waaaay back in the day. his sister was a teacher, methinks. my brother is a fan and knows all that minutiae way better than me...

2008-10-25 21:11:32

49. Cliff Corcoran

45 Correction. Six of nine (I forgot one run scored on a Rays error). Five homers, all but Utley's in Game 1 solo homers.

2008-10-25 21:13:23

50. Cliff Corcoran

48 Weiz I think. I read his bio, it's about 200 pages and he wrote it without a ghostwriter. It's written so simply you can practically read it in a couple of hours. Not that you'd really want to.

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2008-10-25 21:14:58

51. Cliff Corcoran

Also, FOX needs to cut it out with the Rocky theme. They ever heard of Philly Soul? Or, hell, "Philadelphia Freedom"?

2008-10-25 21:15:29

52. thelarmis

47 i read sooo much damn baseball, who can remember where i saw it...! : ~

46 chase is a monster. hope cano is watching...

is that it for garza? 102 pitches. he could come back out, but who knows. i still think moyer should definitely start this inning and face crawford. if he gets him out, go batter to batter. he's been baffling the rays and if they go straight to the pen, tampa might feast on some fastballs, instead of meatballs...

2008-10-25 21:17:36

53. Cliff Corcoran

Nice play by Moyer, Crawford was out. Now, can Carl steal to capitalize on the ump's mistake?

2008-10-25 21:18:08

54. thelarmis

50 weiz, yes, you are absolutely right! yeah, i don't need to read his bio, but apparently he's a smart guy - we know he's an amazing businessman! - and his kids are smart and well-spoken, too. then again, so are Lemmy's kids and grandchildren...

51 how 'bout some "Philly" Joe Jones?!?! : )

2008-10-25 21:19:41

55. thelarmis

WOW, what a play by old man moyer! he was completely out. i'm glad moyer is still in. i hope it doesn't haunt him. he deserves a DP right here. i wonder if the ump will look at a replay after the game and make an apology to moyer at the park tomorrow. do things like that actually happen? i'm thinking they do, esp. in the World Serious and with a vet like Moyer...

2008-10-25 21:21:01

56. thelarmis

man, howard made a nice barehanded snare on that play, as well. it was a solid catch and he was clearly out. terrible call.

2008-10-25 21:22:36

57. Cliff Corcoran

55 Yes, they do. Remember that near-balk in Game 1? FOX did a good job there playing the audio from the miced ump as he said "I'll look at it" to Joe Maddon.

Wacky hop on that double. They need a hit, not a productive out here, get both these runs in.

2008-10-25 21:22:40

58. thelarmis

oh, bollocks. that's just not cool. how come the home plate ump doesn't run up the line on that bunt and turn the call around. should've been a conference, at least. i really want moyer to get the win...

2008-10-25 21:23:17

59. Cliff Corcoran

I don't like Gross hitting here. I'd actually go Cliff Lee.

2008-10-25 21:23:34

60. Cliff Corcoran

59 er, Cliff Floyd (too many Cliffs!)

2008-10-25 21:24:27

61. Cliff Corcoran

Big play by Howard.

2008-10-25 21:24:55

62. thelarmis

whoa, another nice play by howard. thome sure as shit wouldn't have made that ; )

that's it for moyer. good job, guy! i hope you get the W, you deserve it...

2008-10-25 21:25:49

63. Cliff Corcoran

You have to feel good for Moyer here. That's a dream come true for him to pitch like that for the Phils in the Series.

2008-10-25 21:27:32

64. thelarmis

56 see the 2nd part of 26

60 remember when Bobby Valentine kept calling him Clifford during the A-S Game? i think it might have been '01. there was some kind of controversy between the two of them not getting along...

2008-10-25 21:28:30

65. Cliff Corcoran

Back within a jack. Good game. That Longoria fly out still hurts, though.

2008-10-25 21:28:54

66. thelarmis

ugh, buck. ERA is not the best measuring tool for a reliever. this is a wonderful time to talk about inherited runners, or something. maybe not WXRL, but something productive...

1-run game. madson/lidge await the 8th/9th...

2008-10-25 21:30:54

67. thelarmis

63 i hope he wins. he didn't deserve that bad call to start the inning.

65 i was glad for the philly-tampa match-up, coz i thought there'd be really good baseball games being played. 3 games in and i'm not disappointed...

2008-10-25 21:31:25

68. Cliff Corcoran

66 WXRL is aiming a little high. More importantly, Durbin's ERA over the last couple months (or whatever) was over 5.00.

2008-10-25 21:33:14

69. thelarmis

68 aim high, shoot low! a YES song title : )

if tampa ties it here or wins, i'll be seething over that crawford call at 1B...

2008-10-25 21:42:09

70. thelarmis

now pinch hitting...brett favre!

2008-10-25 21:47:34

71. Cliff Corcoran

Anyone else notice how Jenkins has been excessively celebratory during this Phillies run? I mean, the guy barely plays. I realize he's a veteran who's never been in the postseason before, but he's barely holding on to his roster spot.

2008-10-25 21:51:41

72. thelarmis

71 i haven't. i need to pay more attention. i had the game on mute and was typing out some new poetry and listening to horace silver.

man, 1B ump coulda had some karmic realignment with that call right there...

2008-10-25 21:56:13

73. thelarmis

upton simply glides. super talented kid.

2008-10-25 21:57:44

74. thelarmis

holy crap. there goes the win for moyer. upton pulling an A-rod circa Twins LDS 2003. if tampa wins tonight, that's the Series. i think phils are gonna pull this out though. poor moyer...

2008-10-25 21:59:18

75. Cliff Corcoran

74 Nice reference! I think if the Phils win tonight, that's the series, but if the Rays win it's still being contested.

Helluva game.

2008-10-25 22:06:26

76. Cliff Corcoran

Fuggin' Bradford. He's all Jeff Nelson: either he's unhittable or can't throw a strike.

2008-10-25 22:06:35

77. thelarmis

really? you think Blanton takes the Andy S. game tomorrow?!

nice leadoff walk for werth. 4 pitches. he's a 20-20 guy. how's howell at holding runners? good thing Balk-A-Day Bob isn't behind the plate! ; )

i don't see this inning ending well for tampa...

2008-10-25 22:08:04

78. thelarmis

76 at least he doesn't have nelson's hitler mustache or giambi's porn stache of doom anymore. i couldn't stomach looking at that ca