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B. Bruney BR BP BC E mi
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B. Kozlowski (L) BR BP BC E mi Japan

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Sun Setting for Yanks

2008-09-06 17:16

by Alex Belth

Bonzone vs a Rookie tonight in Seattle. There was no sun in New York today, just rain and wind. Anyhow, here's a nice picture to look at...

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

Comments (232)

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2008-09-06 18:10:39

1. Mattpat11

I really hope tonight is the end of Ponson. If the season's over anyway, I'd really rather not see Tubby every five days.

2008-09-06 18:18:07

2. Just fair

Ha. I just caught Mike Rowe on "Dirtiest Jobs" the other night helping a crew replace one of those water tanks in the NYC. Man. What a pain in the ass. Freakin' dangerous, too.

2008-09-06 18:22:41

3. The Trolley Dodger

2 Saw that too. Had no idea they were made out of wooden slats.

2008-09-06 18:51:38

4. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

1 will sound like WilliamNYY23 now but..starting Ponson again makes me seriously question Girardi..no possible benefit from this at all..Hughes, Aceves and IPK should be starting all this month..

2008-09-06 19:07:05

5. williamnyy23

4 Isn't that a good thing? :)

2008-09-06 19:11:27

6. Alex Belth

Jeez, this kid works quickly. Hey, any of youse ever been to Safeco? Looks like a really great park.

2008-09-06 19:11:30

7. monkeypants

4 Well, Aceves is starting this week, and IPK and HUghes are not on the MLB roster. So if anyone ins to "blame," it would be Cashman, not Girardi.

2008-09-06 19:11:35

8. Mattpat11

Jeter can theoretically tie Ruth tonight

2008-09-06 19:12:27

9. williamnyy23

Wow...Jeter got down the line slooow. He couldn't have been running hard.

2008-09-06 19:13:01

10. Alex Belth

That's a career high 22 dps fer Jetes...

2008-09-06 19:13:09

11. williamnyy23

7 I am pretty sure that if Girardi wanted Hughes or IPK, they'd be here.

2008-09-06 19:13:41

12. williamnyy23

Wow...a HR to center at Safeco.

2008-09-06 19:13:49

13. monkeypants

9 Ahhh...I forgot what I was missing when a took a few weeks vacation from the Banter game threads.

2008-09-06 19:13:54

14. Alex Belth

Wow, what a wonderful image...Did you guys see the shadow the center fielder against the outfield wall there? Beautiful little image.

2008-09-06 19:14:57

15. williamnyy23

13 Was that not a legitimate observation?

2008-09-06 19:15:44

16. Ken Arneson

6 I've been there. It's certainly nice, but "really great" is probably an exaggeration.

2008-09-06 19:18:09

17. Alex Belth

The replay of the Ichiro play had a Beef Jerky ad behind Ponson as he reached down and made that poor throw.

2008-09-06 19:19:13

18. nick

I wonder if Girardi could have Hughes or IPK if he wanted--that seems like Cash's call to me....how many total MLB starts do we get next year out of Joba, Hughes and IPK? Anybody want to set an over-under? 30 too pessimistic?

2008-09-06 19:19:20

19. Alex Belth

Happy Boitday Bonzone.

2008-09-06 19:19:55

20. monkeypants

15 "Jeter got down the line slooow" may be an accurate observation--I don't know, I didn't notice. "He couldn't have been running hard" is in no way an observation--it is a conclusion, an argument drawn from the aforementioned observation.

In any case, I was simply observing--accurately, no--the tenor of the Banter, which I had somewhat forgotten during my absence.

2008-09-06 19:20:43

21. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

17 hahah, i like how his pitching scouting report was "strive for 5", as in "innings pitched"..

am sure I heard the Japanese announcers say "Ponson moved quickly for such a fat man"..

2008-09-06 19:21:02

22. williamnyy23

18 I guess we can't say for sure, but Girardi is on record saying he was keeping Ponson in the rotation because the Yankees didn't have any experienced alternatives. Also, Girardi really believes the Yankees are still alive. While his optimism is admirable, it is actually hurting the team.

2008-09-06 19:21:20

23. Mattpat11

I'm getting annoyed. I can't get any volume on youtube videos I play.

2008-09-06 19:22:52

24. Alex Belth

Matt, just double check the volume on the actual You Tube clip as well as one your machine.

2008-09-06 19:22:55

25. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

more GIDPs..sigh...

2008-09-06 19:23:11

26. williamnyy23

20 Well, if you get the chance, watch the play and let us know what you think. I don't see how one could interpret a comment as having a tenor without actually noticing the play, unless honesty is the tenor to which you were referring.

2008-09-06 19:23:21

27. Mattpat11

22 "Girardi thinks the Yankees are alive" and "He wants to pitch Sidney Ponson" don't really jive.

2008-09-06 19:24:39

28. Mattpat11

24 That's not the issue. Someone told me I need to update my flash player, but I've downloaded the thing repeatedly and it doesn't seem to have any effect.

2008-09-06 19:24:43

29. williamnyy23

27 Exactly...which is part of the problem (i.e., equating experience with a better chance to win).

2008-09-06 19:25:54

30. Alex Belth

Dude works very quickly...

2008-09-06 19:26:50

31. Alex Belth

Matt, dag, bro, I'm sorry you are having that problem. I feel for you. Must be damn frustrating...

2008-09-06 19:27:17

32. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

29 yep..hate the BoSox but they never hesitated to throw their rookie pitchers out there..IPK was awful but still rather see him fail than Ponson or Rasner..but this is a tiresome debate...

where did Richie Sexson end up? has he retired?

2008-09-06 19:27:26

33. williamnyy23

28 Too bad...then you cant hear this:
http://tinyurl.com/3b84dx

2008-09-06 19:28:34

34. monkeypants

26 Perhaps "tenor" is not the most precise word. How about this, it's nice to tune back in and find you still questioning Jeter's effort. The bitchy tone starting in the first inning, honest or not, is one of the reasons I decided to take a break from the game threads.

2008-09-06 19:28:41

35. Mattpat11

33 If I load of AOL I can hear youtube, but that's a pain.

2008-09-06 19:32:13

36. Just fair

I need 6 months of rehab berore I can handle seeing Kennedy on a big league mound again. Ponson must have found a good seafood joint this afternoon.

2008-09-06 19:32:16

37. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

33 my lady just walked on and asked why i was watching gay guys on Youtube...

2008-09-06 19:33:00

38. williamnyy23

34 I didn't question his effort...may be he is hurt? I don't know. What I do know is he did not run hard...the replay confirmed that. I am sorry if you object to an honest observation, but your response to it strikes me as having more of a "bitchy tone". In any event, maybe in the future I can live up to your standards.

2008-09-06 19:33:16

39. williamnyy23

35 It's worth it.

2008-09-06 19:33:42

40. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

33 Hershiser was hysterical in that..

2008-09-06 19:34:07

41. Alex Belth

What is this the National League? Game is just skipping along here...

2008-09-06 19:35:06

42. williamnyy23

40 My favorite was Duncan and his afro.

2008-09-06 19:36:01

43. Alex Belth

william, that you tube clip is wrong in so many ways...so wrong it's right.

2008-09-06 19:37:01

44. williamnyy23

43 I saw that a few weeks back...it is definitely the most entertaining sports team music video to come out of the mid-1980s.

2008-09-06 19:38:18

45. monkeypants

29 et al. Phil Hughes is starting in the AAA playoffs today; Scranton leads the best of five series 2-1. I am not sure if this is the final playoff series for Scranton, but if so, then Hughes could be called up to pitch next week. Aceves is already in the rotation this week. I would be surprised if we don't see IPK and HUghes starting once or twice down the stretch.

2008-09-06 19:39:45

46. monkeypants

38 Aim high!

2008-09-06 19:40:38

47. Alex Belth

Dude, that curve looked like it was almost a strike, no?

2008-09-06 19:40:42

48. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

44 can't say I remember anything but the SuperBowl Shuffle and "Let's Go Mets" (which I believe Ed Koch and Gabe Kaplan popped up in..ah, the 80s...)

2008-09-06 19:41:14

49. Alex Belth

No, it was high...funny to see Mel in a different uni here...

2008-09-06 19:42:18

50. Alex Belth

william, I remember the Lakers having a pretty horrendous video/song in the 80s too.

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2008-09-06 19:42:20

51. Dimelo

Nice play on The Stache!

2008-09-06 19:42:33

52. Mattpat11

Did we steal that ball four call?

2008-09-06 19:42:37

53. monkeypants

The shift giveth...and the shift taketh away.

2008-09-06 19:43:30

54. williamnyy23

Wow...that has to be the deepest 4-3 I've ever seen. What does ZR do with that?

2008-09-06 19:43:39

55. monkeypants

49 Didn't the NY Football Giants do a video after '86?

2008-09-06 19:44:04

56. Dimelo

47 I thought it was a strike at first. Mr. One Billion OPS+ would never make an out with RISP, he'll gladly take a walk. I don't think I've ever seen ARod make an out this year with RISP, he's money. Literally!

2008-09-06 19:45:05

57. williamnyy23

50 Would love to see it...can't imagine Karim dancing.

2008-09-06 19:45:35

58. Alex Belth

D, you got to chill with A Rod. You are going to starting getting a rep as a one-trick pony. LOL.

2008-09-06 19:45:36

59. Dimelo

55 Yeah the Giants made a video, wasn't it to the tune of walk like an Egyptian? I could have swore it was.

It was the thing to do in those days.

2008-09-06 19:46:28

60. Mattpat11

That was clearly interference.

2008-09-06 19:46:54

61. monkeypants

Soooo...the baserunner is on the grass and Ponson is called for obstruction?

2008-09-06 19:47:28

62. williamnyy23

Why did the umpires stop the play...it should have been a delayed dead ball.

2008-09-06 19:47:41

63. Just fair

Another horseshit call from the boys in blue. Blasts.

2008-09-06 19:47:41

64. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

59 Walk Like an Egyptian???
You guys are too lame, got me on YouTube now and not watching the action in the game..

2008-09-06 19:48:57

65. Mattpat11

63 I called interference before he did. I'm just as bad as them I guess.

2008-09-06 19:49:06

66. Dimelo

58 Yeah I know, I gots to chill on ARod but it is a lot of fun. Talking about ARod to an ARod "admirer" is like talking badly about Reagan to a neo-con.

Both camps just don't want to hear it.

2008-09-06 19:49:48

67. monkeypants

62 Did they stop the play only after he was tagged out at 1B? In any case, that seemed like some goofy umping to me.

2008-09-06 19:49:58

68. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

I love Ken Singleton but.."You got to get up...to get down.." Huhh??

2008-09-06 19:50:15

69. williamnyy23

65 My argument would have been the umpires shouldn't have stopped the play before its completion. It looked like the 1B umpire directed the runner toward 2B before Giambi had the chance to tag him.

2008-09-06 19:51:44

70. Dimelo

Good job there, I was getting ready for a big inning.

2008-09-06 19:52:00

71. Alex Belth

Flashing the leather!

2008-09-06 19:53:06

72. Dimelo

68 That was bad, but I am so glad Kay isn't in the booth. I think Kay is the worse thing on YES.

2008-09-06 19:53:11

73. williamnyy23

66 Kind of like Arod haters who refuse to accept or educate themselves about facts...I guess it's easier to be wrong.

2008-09-06 19:54:17

74. williamnyy23

Arod, Griffey and Buhner

2008-09-06 19:54:55

75. monkeypants

69 Yep, you're right--Rule 7.06 (b) stipulates that the play should continue, and penalties assessed only after the play ends.

2008-09-06 19:55:09

76. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

72 agreed...actually, maybe Kenny is a PE fan and was riffing on "911 Is A Joke"??

2008-09-06 19:55:21

77. williamnyy23

74 Can't be Arod...must be Edgar?

2008-09-06 19:56:04

78. Just fair

That youtube video is a riot. All it needs is Lamar Latrell breakdancing and Takashi banging on his gong.

2008-09-06 19:56:22

79. Dimelo

I just read Girardi's comment about the Yankees still being in contention, is he CRAZY?

2008-09-06 19:56:36

80. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

Cano.. .301 OPB!

2008-09-06 19:57:25

81. williamnyy23

75 Maybe the umpires were fearful of what Giambi and Ponson might do if the play continued?

2008-09-06 20:00:41

82. monkeypants

79 No, he's a coach, and he's supposed to say that stuff, at least until the organization publicly runs up the white flag. If Cashman and/or the owners would announce that they are playing out the string, that would free out Girardi to invoke a whole new set of cliches.

2008-09-06 20:01:12

83. Dimelo

73 I guess I'm wrong or we just get different feeds of ARod's at-bats.

That's possible.

Your tv is equipped with showing ARod launching homeruns where the Yankees are winning pennants and championships. Mine is El Cheapo with just negative results of ARod's at-bats.

I must admit, I had a television a lot like yours - I'd constantly spout off stats about his greatness. I guess, like PE, I don't believe the hype anymore.

2008-09-06 20:01:50

84. Dimelo

82 didn't Hank wave the white flag already?

2008-09-06 20:04:39

85. Alex Belth

WoW! Great play by Alex there.

2008-09-06 20:05:40

86. monkeypants

85 What feed do YOU have on your TV????

; )

2008-09-06 20:06:18

87. OldYanksFan

Guys... nice responses to the "where is giambi in 2009" question. My take on your responses:
... While JD would propbably be our best option based on D, he is already one of our 'better' fielders in LF. Makes no sense to move him to 1st.
... Derek AIN'T being moved. His bat carries him as a slightly below average defensive SS. You want a .750-.775 OPS at 1B with no defensive experience?
... Dunn is a great bat, but Nady is not fast or athletic, and adding Dunn to the mix seems to be perpeuating the non-athletic/single dimensional player thing.
... Matsui makes the most sense only because his days in LF are over. He defense and range were terrible before his knees gave out. Having him at 1B at least adds to his value as opposed to being a pure DH.

While there are MANY reasons to let Jason walk, I don't think any of the above qualify. He has been healthy this year and is actually moving as good as I've seen Jason move. And we have all seen him makes scoops that JD/Jeter/Matsui/Posada/Dunn/Madonna might not.

Baseball players are expensive these days. Can you get sa FA with a .850+ OPS for under $12m? And how many years to you have to commit to that?

I have to guess Jason would love to stay on the Yanks and play in the new stadium. He won't play for free, but I'm sure he would give a few million a year to stay. I can't see him wanting to move to another team for his last 2 years.

Everyone says we can afford money, not propsects. Giambi at 2/$24ish is probably a below market deal.

Again, I don't think he is a great option, but outside of Tex, I really haven't seen a better one yet.

2008-09-06 20:10:30

88. Alex Belth

Dag, he almost threw that away...

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