Baseball Toaster was unplugged on February 4, 2009.
Bonzone vs a Rookie tonight in Seattle. There was no sun in New York today, just rain and wind. Anyhow, here's a nice picture to look at...
Let's Go Yan-Kees.
In any case, I was simply observing--accurately, no--the tenor of the Banter, which I had somewhat forgotten during my absence.
am sure I heard the Japanese announcers say "Ponson moved quickly for such a fat man"..
where did Richie Sexson end up? has he retired?
It was the thing to do in those days.
Both camps just don't want to hear it.
Your tv is equipped with showing ARod launching homeruns where the Yankees are winning pennants and championships. Mine is El Cheapo with just negative results of ARod's at-bats.
I must admit, I had a television a lot like yours - I'd constantly spout off stats about his greatness. I guess, like PE, I don't believe the hype anymore.
While there are MANY reasons to let Jason walk, I don't think any of the above qualify. He has been healthy this year and is actually moving as good as I've seen Jason move. And we have all seen him makes scoops that JD/Jeter/Matsui/Posada/Dunn/Madonna might not.
Baseball players are expensive these days. Can you get sa FA with a .850+ OPS for under $12m? And how many years to you have to commit to that?
I have to guess Jason would love to stay on the Yanks and play in the new stadium. He won't play for free, but I'm sure he would give a few million a year to stay. I can't see him wanting to move to another team for his last 2 years.
Everyone says we can afford money, not propsects. Giambi at 2/$24ish is probably a below market deal.
Again, I don't think he is a great option, but outside of Tex, I really haven't seen a better one yet.
86 Something tells me the problem isn't on the TV's end.
SIGN THAT GUY FOR NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!
Heck of a lot better than Nationals Park. That was a disappointment.
I still think the team should exercise Giambi's option and bring him back next season, then say goodbye. It is a risk that he will break down, sure. But I would like to think that they can get one 1B out of both him and Matsui.
102 Yankee23, what didn't you like about the Nationals park? I heard it was very nice...
101 I agree. Frankly, at this point I would rather see the team give tryouts more players, even marginal "prospects" like Gardner.
Not to mention that they have a "host" throughout the game who could be a Ryan Seacrest clone and their between-innings promotions are worse than I've seen at a Rookie level stadium. Not that I went for the promotions, but there's really no fan interaction to keep true fans hooked. Everyone in my section spent the entire game eating, waiting in line to get food, talking on their cell phones, and complaining about the lack of vendors (the beer guy only came through twice).
Yes, he is a great hitter still, but unlike in Fenway, he can't play LF in Yankee Stadium. So he is a full time DH for 3 years, which takes away our 'rest spot' for the other elderly on this team.
Benching Pavano goes without saying. I know this is heresy to some, but I am not all that excited to see Pettitte starting the rest of the season. That's another 8 starts or so that could go to young pitchers.
Don't they do any type of analysis on the target audience?
I think you could get away playing him 50/50 in the OF/DH. The Yankees have won with Matsui in LF and I don't think Manny is that much worse. He is such a good hitter that even defense as bad as his doesn't come close to canceling him out.
Now, it may be petty, but why the Yankees would let Pavano audition for his next contract is beyond me.
On a related not, Singleton just made some comment about Damon working with Brett on his "stroke." Damon is now one of precious few who actually knows what Brett Gardner swinging a bat looks like.
You're not being petty at all with Pavano. When they stuck him in the rotation a couple of weeks ago, it sort of made sense because the team still had a shot the post season. But they are playing for anything except next season. There is no reason to waste starts on Pavano.
I realize now why Sox fans were so hurt when he left them to come the Yanks - I'm sure the hurt was magnified a billion times more because he came to the Yanks - but he's a player and he pours his heart and soul out there.
He may have a spaghetti arm, but he sure knows what to do out there with the bat and knows how to run the bases well.
Amid all the disappointments of this season, Damon has really been a bright spot. He has become one of my favorite players on the team. There were a lot of questions about how well he would hold up, but I am very happy the Yankees signed him.
and he's SAAAAAAFE! Bobby A with the 3-bagger
sorry bu A-Rod gets hit too much!
Paying face at an empty stadium is not a good idea! I much prefer nats stadium to camden yards so far even though the nats stink up the joint. Maybe it's because the park is 12 minutes from my place and I can park my motorcycle across the street - it's just so easy. The sunsets from there have been amazing too. And the sight lines are decent from even the worst seats.
Manny has 520 HRs. It will take him 3 years to get to 600. The guy is piling up historic numbers, and he is aware of it.
At 36, this is his last contract of size. I don't think he will take 2 years. ZERO chance.
TB might be interested. If Hafner is done, maybe Cleveland. How about a platoon of Vlad/Manny? There are plenty of takers.
However, no amount of tutoring will make a difference if Brett goes up there every time with the sole gameplan of taking everything and hoping he gets four balls before three strikes.
Matsui is just a solid hitter..
That's just...not right.
If Cleveland was willing to dump C.C., there is no way they'd go after Manny. TB wasn't willing to spend any money to supplement their team down the stretch. I can't imagine them going for Manny. The Angels are also facing FA for Tex and Krod. They will have to pay Vlad after next season. I really doubt they'd be players.
I think he already should be a HOF lock, but I would love for this to cement it.
BTW, does he go in as a Yankee or O? If he plays another two years with us after this, he'll have comprable numbers with both teams.
The best chance for Mosse to win 20 might be for them to juggle the rotation and try to get him an extra start somehow. That and beating the hopeless M's tomorrow.
Even if you want to dismiss that comp, the Indians MO is not to spend that kind of money.
sorry for b-ball chat just can't get too excited about this game...
any fans out there with thoughts on D'Antoni?
Two more Jetes!
william, that video was unbelievable. I think Hershiser's dancing will be giving me nightmares tonight.
193 that's a good idea, but I just don't see them doing that. I wish they would because it would keep his innings progression on pace with what they were hoping.
194 Esta bien!! Buenas noche!
So in that way, the Moose case is not really parallel with Winfield. Unless something weird happens, Moose will finish his career with the same or fewer years with NY, fewer wins, and worse numbers.
On the grand scheme I don't care that much. But if I bother to care, I think that it would be disappointing if he did not go into the HOF as an Oriole.
I think what the Hall of Fame is trying to do is make sure that the player wears the hat of a team that is historical accurate (i.e., when you think of that player, what team comes to mind as much as how well did he do with that team). The reason I think Moose and Winfield are similar cases is because both men spent a similar amount of time with their two possible teams, and both are very identifiable by each one.
Who decides what team logo will be used on Hall of Fame plaques?
The choice of which team's logo appears on a player's plaque is the Museum's decision, though we always consider the wishes of an inductee. As a history Museum, it's important that the logo be emblematic of the historical accomplishments of that player's career. A player's election to the Hall of Fame is a career achievement, and as such, every team for whom he played is listed on the plaque; however, the logo selection is based on where that player makes his most indelible mark.
Anyway, nice win by the boys tonight.
Fisk waving his WS HR fair is a classic moment. Who cares that he played on the White Sox?
Again, I think the whole practice of putting players in wearing a cap is silly and antiquated, so on the grand scheme I don't really care all that much. But based on the HOF's own stated criteria, I have a hard time seeing any argument for Moose-in-Yankee-cap.
He did set the then record for HR by a catcher with the White Sox. And that was not in a tack-on year--his career numbers for the WS were pretty good.
Fisk was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2000 choosing the Boston Red Sox cap for his plaque, although he played for more seasons with the Chicago White Sox.
And the proof:
Also, the Yankees higher profile has definitely played a role in raising Mussina's, but that's part of the equation. Ultimately, I think "more people" will remember Mussina as a very good pitcher on some very good Yankee teams (and those battles with Pedro) than being a great for a few years on some mediocre Oriole teams. To me, at least, context is a major contributor to being indelible. It's kind of like a tree falling in the forest with no one around.
But like I said all along, I would not have players go in with caps on in the first place.
To me, Reggie Jackson was 'on his way' as an Athletic. Giambi was famous as an Athletic.
Doc Gooden was famous as a Met.
Bobby Murcer was a Yankee. Even if he didn't come back and ended up with more years on other teams... he was a Yankee.
Because of free agency, players move around. If we look at a pitchers 'win' or the number of years, small market teams that develop/invest in a player who becomes a potential HOFer with them, will never have anyone who goes in under their cap.
Many guys establish themselves as greats with a certain team, even though they might end up playing more years with another team. But that is bacause of free agency.
I'm sorry MP. EVERYONE knows that Carlton Fisk IS a Red Sox (even if it makes people in Chicago unhappy. I mean... just because you are too young to remember...)
William was arguing that more people would remember Moose as a Yankee, and that may be true. But that would be no different from more people remembering Fisk as a White Sock.
Otherwise, I agree with the general sentiment of your post. That is why Moose should be associated with the O's even if he does linger around even for four more years with the Yanks and win 300 games with them.
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