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Ouch, I Say Ouch
2008-08-05 10:08
by Alex Belth

Will Carroll gives his initial take on Joba today over at BP:

The early word is that his muscle tightened up due to a combination of the blistering heat (I sat in that heat the night before, and yeah, it's a huge factor) and fatigue. It's the latter that's most worrisome given Chamberlain's switch of roles. While he built up his arm strength, no one has any idea how the fatigue will be affected by the shape of his season. He's headed back to New York for tests, so we'll know more soon, but early reports and sources tell me that things look relatively positive, based both on the pain's location, and on his reaction. Expect the Yanks to be ultra-conservative, and for Chamberlain to miss a start at least.

Nuthin to do but wait. Must be a fun time for Brian Cashman, huh?

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2008-08-05 10:52:19
1.   OldYanksFan
Worry about fatigue? Freakin' Joba is a bull who routinely throws in the mid 90's in the 7th inning. Might the heat and possible dehydration gotten to him? Sure. Is this something to worry about? No.

I don't know how many times Joba has pitched in Texas, or anywhere where it is over 100 degrees. I imagine there is a learning curve to maintaining your strength in those conditions. If it is indeed just some muscle 'fatigue', it's about the best news we have had all year.

I remember the first time I was in Texas. I was warned of the heat, but hell, NH gets into the high 90's at times, and I been to islands on the equator. Bull hell (and I mean that literally), Texas was something new. I was there and I still couldn't believe how hot it was!

2008-08-05 10:56:15
2.   jonm
Uh oh. If Will Carroll says that Joba is probably okay, that means in reality that we're not going to see Joba pitching again until spring training 2010.
2008-08-05 11:37:38
3.   Yankee Fan In Boston
the first thing that went through my mind was hughes' no-no interruptus, which also happened in texas.

[insert oliver stone one-liner here]

everything coming out of the organization says that this is minor, but i won't feel at ease until i see him throwing smoke with my own two eyes.

2008-08-05 12:20:34
4.   Jeb
Seems to me that Will Carroll is the Mac-Daddy on injuries. I think we'll know more tonight (or tomorrow) and the Yanks can go from there. I hoped they'd call IPK up for Rasner anyway (not that I don't like Giese, I just like Giese as the long guy out of the pen). So, maybe they'll call him up and he can EARN the 5th starter position.

If Joba misses 1 start it won't be the end of the world, particularly if Hughes is ready to return by the end of the the month for the home stretch.

Don't lose hope yet. Don't lose hope.

2008-08-05 13:27:10
5.   Raf
4 Don't lose hope yet. Don't lose hope

http://tinyurl.com/5b9bvn

2008-08-05 13:31:44
6.   Yankee Fan In Boston
5 no way. this is either a brilliant promotion, or the thunder expect the medical emergency that will certainly follow pavano's rehab assignment there thursday night.

this is a quote from raf's link heralding pavano's start in trenton on thursday:

"Thursday's game is Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey Night at Waterfront Park. There will be a health fair on the stadium concourse..."

too perfect.

2008-08-05 13:33:22
7.   Yankee Fan In Boston
5 jeez... it just keeps getting better...

"St. Lawrence Rehabilitation Center is the presenting partner of "2008 Thunder Rehabs". St. Lawrence Rehabilitation Center is a 129-bed, fully accredited, not-for-profit, physical rehabilitation hospital in Lawrenceville, NJ. It offers comprehensive rehabilitation services for both inpatients and outpatients, and has been serving the community for over 35 years. As a rehabilitation hospital, St. Lawrence has seen the traumatic effects of injuries and is committed to safety education and injury prevention in our community. The hospital has been a Trenton Thunder partner since 1999 and is proud to work with the Thunder in various safety initiatives."

2008-08-05 13:36:11
8.   Raf
Dude, you have no idea how difficult it has been, stifling laughter in my cubicle for the past half hour
2008-08-05 13:39:37
9.   Raf
If it weren't for the fact that I'm going to Boston this weekend, I'd be in Trenton, watching this historical occasion. I mean, I could be one of a few who can say that I saw Carl Pavano pitch in a game.
2008-08-05 13:43:22
10.   Yankee Fan In Boston
have fun over here, raf.
2008-08-05 13:51:48
11.   Raf
10 Will do. I'm just going to be in for the day. The reason I'm going is the Futures at Fenway doubleheader. I was there in 2006, and had a pretty good time milling around the park and the surrounding area.

http://tinyurl.com/5ztlzv

2008-08-05 13:54:06
12.   MC Safety
2 Looks like he was a bit off re: Chad Billingsley.
2008-08-05 16:04:43
13.   Vandelay Industries
Who wants to be the first to say we actually "need" Carl Pavano?
2008-08-05 16:25:40
14.   tommyl
Via PeteAbe:

6:34 p.m. UPDATE ON JOBA CHAMBERLAIN

Chamberlain had an MRI today in New York. The Yankees would not reveal what it showed. However, Joba is being sent to Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., for another examination tomorrow.

Girardi did not say who would start on Saturday. The first name he mentioned as a possibility was Darrell Rasner

---------------------------

Yeah, that doesn't sound too good to me. Le sigh.

2008-08-05 16:30:24
15.   weeping for brunnhilde
13 Carl who?
2008-08-05 16:32:46
16.   randym77
Ugh. That sounds like bad news. James Andrews is the shoulder guy they sent Posada to, isn't he?

The lineup's been posted. It's Christian instead of Melky again. And Sexson at 1B.

2008-08-05 16:32:53
17.   tommyl
15 You know, number 134.
2008-08-05 16:41:21
18.   OldYanksFan
I think the Yanks are being cautious with both Joba and the media. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
2008-08-05 16:46:09
19.   JL25and3
Btw, Alex, can I assume that your headline is a Foghorn Leghorn (or Senator Claghorn) reference?
2008-08-05 16:47:35
20.   dianagramr
Having seen the video from the inning, and where Joba was pointing, I'd venture a worst case guess of deltoid strain or partial tear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltoid_muscle

I also believe that the sudden back flop he had to do to avoid I-Rod's throw may have had something to do with the injury. He may have tweaked/jammed something then.

2008-08-05 16:50:06
21.   Sliced Bread
Is Ivan sitting tonight because he tried to kill Joba? This I do not understand.
2008-08-05 16:56:17
22.   randym77
Maybe it's just a matter of Molina and Pettitte knowing each other better. Andy and Pudge were kinda out of synch last time.
2008-08-05 16:56:17
23.   RIYank
Pete's next update is a little more pessimistic. Here's the actual news, without Pete's editorializing:

UPDATE, 6:41 p.m.: Just spoke to Brian Cashman. He said the Yankees know what the images showed but until they hear from Andrews, they're not going to reveal what that is.

2008-08-05 17:02:00
24.   randym77
23 That don't sound good. In fact, that sounds terrible.
2008-08-05 17:02:07
25.   dianagramr
23

sigh .... sounds more like a tear then ....

2008-08-05 17:02:51
26.   Sliced Bread
I'm all for Andy being comfortable and all, but Plan A calls for Pettitte to be in sync with Ivan. Let's get that battery going. We have a series to win. Should Molina be more than a house money bet at the sake of Ivan's bat? Not the way I see it.
2008-08-05 17:05:46
27.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
26 agreed. shouldn't a pitcher with Pettite's experience be able to throw to anyone? Am I missing something?
2008-08-05 17:06:41
28.   cult of basebaal
it's also hotter than living hell in TX right now, joey joe joe might be trying to keep his catchers fresh for the entire trip ... or not ... i'd rather know WTF sexson is doing in the lineup after 'stacheless's 3-4 night
2008-08-05 17:07:51
29.   cult of basebaal
25 when it comes to shoulder injuries ... a deltoid strain ... or even tear ... is just sooooo much better than several worse case scenarios, that i'd be pretty relieved by that diagnosis.
2008-08-05 17:09:47
30.   OldYanksFan
I heard Pudge was tiring in Detroit and was not quite a full time carcher anymore. Combine that with the fact that Molina is excellent on D and our pitchers really like him, I expect Pudge to start 60-70% of our games. He can always PH for Molina in critical ABs if necessary.
2008-08-05 17:12:59
31.   dianagramr
29

Yes .... strict "rotator cuff" injuries are more of a wear and tear issue. This seemed to be more of a "traumatic" injury. He hadn't been showing any signs of trouble prior to last night (reduced velocity / movement), so I believe he overextended himself on a pitch and/or tweaked something when doing the back flop.

This is not to say it ISN'T "rotator cuff" related, since the deltoid is one of the 6 muscles related to the cuff, but I would have been more concerned cuff-wise if he couldn't raise his arm, or pointed to his shoulder blade.

2008-08-05 17:15:14
32.   OldYanksFan
This doesn't help much, but if it is Grade 1, it doesn't sound too bad.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/back/shoulder/deltoidstrain.htm
2008-08-05 17:15:53
33.   Sliced Bread
sunglasses, Johnny?
2008-08-05 17:17:39
34.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
33 http://blog.masslive.com/redsoxmonster/2008/03/manny_interviews_in_spanish_en.html

sorry, how do you make those "tinyurl" links??

2008-08-05 17:21:34
35.   Sliced Bread
34 bring yer big link to tinyurl.com.
2008-08-05 17:24:40
36.   Sliced Bread
Pett's far from in sync with Molina.
2008-08-05 17:24:43
37.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
35 thanks! http://tinyurl.com/5ksxgl

this is going to be a long game..isn't it?

2008-08-05 17:31:04
38.   Shaun P
37 I hope not, but I think you're right.

There's also a firefox plugin for tinyurl, you just right click on the page and select "Create TinyURL for this page" - if you use firefox.

2008-08-05 17:37:10
39.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Sexson, Molina and Christian at the bottom of the lineup..yuck...
2008-08-05 17:37:19
40.   Max
I think I'm ready to call up another pitcher and DFA Sexson.
2008-08-05 17:38:12
41.   Jeb
When Joba comes to Birmingham tomorrow I'd be happy to let him stay with us for free. I wonder if I could get a ball signed at the airport?
2008-08-05 17:38:40
42.   dianagramr
Pettitte's last 1+ starts have been less than inspiring ...
2008-08-05 17:39:39
43.   dianagramr
41

I don't want Joba using that golden arm for anything like that, at least until Dr. Andrews sees him.

2008-08-05 17:39:51
44.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
41 got enough food in the fridge if you invite him over? his rump looks Clemens-esque...rather terrifying
2008-08-05 17:40:23
45.   cult of basebaal
lovely, lovely ... anyone else have this deepening sense of doom about this road trip after last night and pettite's likely 2nd stinker in a row?
2008-08-05 17:40:46
46.   OldYanksFan
Not that I have a lot of faith in Sexson, but he's not used to playing every 4th day. I don't think he will ever be a good PHer either.

Ouch. Pettitte's up in the zone. Not good.

2008-08-05 17:41:32
47.   Jeb
43 yeah and B'ham's got fantastic restaurants including several Thai, Indian and Vietnamese places if he's not into BBQ.
2008-08-05 17:42:40
48.   cult of basebaal
45 doom, doom, doom ... doomey, doomey, doom!
2008-08-05 17:42:43
49.   randym77
Wow. I can't believe how few comments there are, given the...excitement on the field.
2008-08-05 17:44:20
50.   Jeb
49 Andy's really throwing a gem tonight. Surely we'll make the post-season now.
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2008-08-05 17:44:20
51.   Sliced Bread
Andy could still hang in there tonight -- but I think it's now fair to say his recent struggles likely have little to do with Ivan, if anything.
2008-08-05 17:45:58
52.   OldYanksFan
Who's Ivan?
2008-08-05 17:46:43
53.   3rd gen yankee fan
49 Well, I'd like to have something good to say... how about, I really enjoyed watching the Royals beat the Sux last night! Ninth inning drama was great and I certainly thought the Yankees would win by the time I got home.
2008-08-05 17:47:44
54.   Sliced Bread
Let the record show that Molina and Sexson made solid contact tonight.
2008-08-05 17:48:45
55.   Max
45 I'm not ready to write off a playoff run even with Joba out (yes, I'm cockeyed that way)...but it's fair to say there's no margin for error. Any regression by Andy or Moose this month and we're playing spoiler in September.

Of course, it doesn't exactly help to be running out crappy lineups like the one we have today.

2008-08-05 17:48:55
56.   Sliced Bread
Who's Melky?
2008-08-05 17:50:56
57.   cult of basebaal
54 sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, see JC's at bat ...

nice to see JC shaken up on that steal ... not like everything's not going wrong already

2008-08-05 17:51:50
58.   cult of basebaal
DOUBLE.STEAL.
2008-08-05 17:51:52
59.   Eirias
Let's grind out a ticky-tacky run here.
2008-08-05 17:52:04
60.   Jeb
I will say this. Andy looks like Poop tonight, Joba's probably out for the year, Hughes and IPK haven't contributed a damn thing and our offense is stale. But, as I've said on more than one occasion, if we have a total failure year there's still some positives to look at:

1. Joba/Hughes/IPK will be a year older in 2009 and maybe 2 of 3 of them will be contributors then. Maybe they can stay healthy --- kids get hurt, just ask Leiter and Josh Beckett.

2. If we don't make the playoffs, maybe Hank will say, "fuck it", roll up his sleeves, and go get CC and Tex. Maybe we're experiencing Boston's 2006 and will have a glorious rise from the ashes next season.

3. With every hit Jeter is closer to 3,000; with every homer Arod is closer to 763. In the lean 1980's we had to learn to enjoy individual seasons.

4. And in the same vein, if Moose wins 20 games this season (he only needs 6), he'll be up to 270 for a career, will likely return in 2009 and has a damn good shot at getting to 300 wins.

5. And finally, we have other kids like Melancon ready to contribute next year (maybe even Ajax) and thankfully we DIDN'T pick up Washburn. If we're not going to win anyway, who wants Seattle's garbage.

2008-08-05 17:52:31
61.   dianagramr
just how many steps slower is Jeter nowadays ,.,,,,
2008-08-05 17:53:15
62.   Sliced Bread
shit, cap.
2008-08-05 17:53:29
63.   cult of basebaal
fuck you jeter, fuck you girardi ... HOW MANY GODDAMN DOUBLE PLAYS DOES HE HAVE TO HIT INTO?!?!?!?
2008-08-05 17:54:56
64.   cult of basebaal
60 i'd say nearly making the playoffs this year (if that's where we end up) with the string of serious, major injuries is far, Far, FAR from "total failure".

i'd say it's pretty damn remarkable.

2008-08-05 17:58:45
65.   Max
Fastball. Fastball. Cutter. Three pitch out. That's more like it, Andy.
2008-08-05 17:59:25
66.   williamnyy23
The way the Yankees have played and continue to play had be looking forward to 2009. The pending doom about Joba has now even cast a pall over that year too.

I guess the bright side is I am not fermenting with frustration over the fact that the Yankees are being shut down by a raw rookie and that the evidence of Jeter being on the downside continues to mount.

2008-08-05 17:59:45
67.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
49 some excitement for you http://tinyurl.com/5trj9y
2008-08-05 18:00:44
68.   Jeb
64 Yeah, but I am referring to "total failure" as anything less than winning the world series or at least the pennant.

AND I understand that different people measure the success of the team in different ways. For me, success is winning a world series. That's not to say that I despise every season where we haven't won.

I still look back fondly on Donnie Baseball hitting .343 in 1984 and on Murcer driving in all 5 runs against the Orioles 29 years ago tomorrow.

But this season feels a bit "lost" to me.

2008-08-05 18:00:46
69.   Eirias
63 I know! Girardi definitely wasn't running hard enough towards third.
2008-08-05 18:01:26
70.   Sliced Bread
yo, Bob-ay! Give that man another parking pass! (and make it short term).
2008-08-05 18:05:17
71.   Eirias
Another double-play? GIRARDI!
2008-08-05 18:06:28
72.   Jeb
Ranger's Announcer: "If you get a double play every inning you gotta SHOT!!!"

Duh

I'd like to fucking smack that bastard..and yes...these grapes taste sour.

2008-08-05 18:07:36
73.   Sliced Bread
72 was Tex describing a drinking game?
2008-08-05 18:07:47
74.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
i can't take any more double plays...
2008-08-05 18:07:55
75.   Max
Three straight innings ended by a DP. Wow.
2008-08-05 18:08:13
76.   Sliced Bread
72 oh, it was a suggestion. I'm in.
2008-08-05 18:08:32
77.   cult of basebaal
71 well, considering that joey joe joe jr had the runner in motion on that play, i'd say that one was on alex, pulling yet another low, outside sinker
2008-08-05 18:09:16
78.   Max
75 Oops, spaced out there. The whole game feels like such a lost cause that I'm hallucinating an inning-ending DP every few minutes at this point.