"The best thing is Boston has to come in here next," he said. "It's the smell of victory they've got to smell. You can print that." - Kyle Farnsworth, after the Yanks clinched the AL East in 2006

Good enough for me :)

"Oh where oh where has my Kyle Farnsworth gone .. oh where oh where can he be?"

(its scary the things I can still remember from my childhood TV days)

Yeah, I've never much liked him either. He always came off as something of an overrated, self-absorbed hot-head. A guy with a reputation of calling fastballs to benefit his chance of throwing out runners rather than because that was the right pitch to call at that point in an at-bat. A guy who won the 1999 MVP when both Jeter and Pedro were head and shoulders better than him that year.

Still, the guy's a totally legitimate Hall of Famer, and a serious upgrade over Molina at the plate, even in his diminished present form. And for all of the words wasted on players who are "winners," Rodriguez's effect on the '03 Marlins and the Tigers' turnaround leading up to '06 seemed real enough to me. Heck, he was even on every playoff team the Rangers ever had.

Interesting footnote there: every year Rodriguez made the postseason, he wound up facing the Yankees. Losing three straight with Texas, then beating them with the Fish in the '03 Series and the Tigers in the '06 ALDS. The only time he really had what could be called a good series against them, however, was his first shot in 1996.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25919544/

Pay someone to not play. Perhaps the Yanks can work out a deal with Ortiz and Beckett or Lackey and Vlad.

IMHO, so were Roberto Alomar, Manny Ramirez and Nomar Garciaparra. At least.

I have a "Carl Pavano" on line 1...

The Pinstriped Pudge will hardly resemble the otherworldly beast from our dusty old comic books, but he's probably still a guy you can count on if you're planning a dastardly caper.

Alvarez's debut on July 24, 1989 couldn't have gone worse - single, HR, HR, walk, walk, removed from the game, demoted to AA. Five days later, he was traded (with Sammy Sosa and Scott Fletcher) for Harold Baines.

Steve Avery, Rich Garces, and Johnny Guzman also debuted before Ivan Rodriguez did.

1. I don't like Pudge. Never did. Gonna take awhile to warm up to him, I guess.

2. How will the pitchers react? They seemed to love Molina. Changing catchers mid season is a bit more tricky than changing left fielders, you know? There are other aspects beyond can the guy hit and throw out runners. Moose, in particular, is a bit finicky about his catcher and I'm hoping this doesn't fry his circuits.

3. Poor Jorge (already posted in other thread). Double wammy for him yesterday. Someone should slip him a couple happy pills today along with his pain meds.

4. Cashman and H&H are telling fans that they are in it to win this year. What more can a fan ask for? Meanwhlie, you can hear the crickets in the Mets front office.

5. I was watching Rasner's game the other night and I couldn't help but wonder if Chad Moeller is thinking 'Hey - I might actually play in the post season this year'. Today he's probably thinking 'Guess not'.

Overall though it's about making the post season and Rodriguiz should give us a better chance with his offense.

So, after reading all the opinions on the trade from the Banter faithful, I turned off the computer and headed to bed. I told my wife about the deal and her reaction was not what I expected:
Me: "Honey, the Yankees traded Farnsworth for Pudge Rodriguez"
Wife: "What! Why did they do that?"
Me: "We need a catcher who can hit to replace Posada"
Wife: "But we need pitching, too."
Me: "I know, but you never know what you're gonna get from Kyle"
Wife: "But he's been doing better this year."
Me: "Yes and that's why we were able to trade him for a quality catcher"
Wife: "But I like Kyle"
(I couldn't argue with that one, so I tried to go in a different direction)
Me: "Pudge is a huge upgrade over Molina..."
Wife: "But I like Molina"
Me: "Molina is not going anywhere, he's just going back to his backup role"
Wife: "We already have a backup, his name is Chad Moeller"
Me: "Uh, Moeller is probably gone"
Wife: "But I like Moeller"

At this point I realized that my wife could never be a GM, she gets too attached to the players. She doesn't like change. The trades where we give up prospects that she's never heard of is okay because she's not attached to those guys.

I finally played the trump card...
Me: "Honey, had you rather us just go out and sign Barry Bonds?"
Wife: "If this deal helps us not sign Bonds, then I'm all for it"
Me: "I thought you'd see it my way"
Wife: "But I still like Kyle...and Moeller."

Great call on the Marvel book cover...I got that book in 1981 when I was nine years old...I must admit I was impressed when the Surfer turned down Mephisto's offer to be reunited with Shalla Bal.

The point of all this is you get good insurance on Jorge not being right and you don't have to sign a 1B (where the quality drops significantly after Teixeira's megadeal.)

I've never liked Pudge and often actively rooted against him, but facts is facts and he's a Yank now and much better than Molina.

And onto the on/off topic of the trade for Manny, with the latest reports having the Sox only trading Manny and paying his salary, and getting Bay and Grabow in return (not that Grabow is all that great), the trade again becomes a win for the Sox. If they are throwing in a legit prospect, its not as much.

To me, the Sox would not only be making something out of a bad situation where they have almost no leverage, but they would be replacing "most" of Manny's production, in theory. While the Yankees will continue to have no outfield for next year (Nady/Damon/Melky/Matsui is not too promising), the Sox will have a very very productive one and a whole lot of free $ to spend on CC

As I have said, I simply don't see the drop off from Manny to Bay as costing them all that much. Sure, Manny crushes the Yanks, but over the course of the rest of the season, I don't think it will impact them all that much

Especially when you're talking about doing that when both of those guys are 38 and 39 as well.

The point is we have no idea how healthy Jorge is until the season starts. Better to plan for the worst case. In the process, they might actually save money in not signing a 1B.

me: "Hey, Farnsworth got traded for a better catcher."
wife: "Farnsworth's the guy with the camo glasses and the tribal tattoo on his arm?"
me: "Yes."
wife: "Good. He seemed like the Ted Nugent of pitchers."
me: "Ted Nugent is a moron, but he put out some good records."
wife: "Well, Farnsworth can go make a record now. I do not want to see Ted Nugent or Kyle Farnsworth on my television and now I won't. Who is the catcher?"
me: "Ivan Rodriguez. He's old but he's going to the HOF."
wife: (finding Ivan Rodriguez pictures online) "He looks angry. Like the other guy that's hurt."
me: "Jorge Posada?"
wife: "Yes. I think a person must be angry to play catcher."
me: "You might be on to something there."

Or that Cervelli is ready to assume the backup role himself come July '09?

Pudge has caught more games than anyone except Boone and Real Pudge. His expiration date is long past. It doesn't matter that he's still good today, you have to assume that he has no future.

I just can't see 30 . There's no safety net there.