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Dare To Dream
2008-07-27 12:45
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Here's what I wrote about tonight's pitching matchup in my series preview on Friday:

ESPN's Sunday night game pits Sidney Ponson against Jon Lester. Lester is one of the great stories of this season, having rebounded from non-Hodgkins lymphoma to not only throw a no-hitter, but have a great season overall. Lester has a 3.20 ERA on the season, a 2.93 ERA at home, and needed just 105 pitches to shutout the Yankees on five hits and two walks while striking out eight in his only start against the Bombers this season. That said, he's been inconsistent of late. Lester's no-hitter came in the middle of a run of 11 starts from the end of April to late June in which the lefty posted a 2.13 ERA. Since then, however, he's alternated dominant starts (including his shutout of the Yankees) with non-quality outings. If the pattern holds, he's due for a stinker, but his dominance of the Yankees in their last meeting and overall success this season is the better indicator of what he's likely to do Sunday night.

That means Ponson has his work cut out for him. Before his last start, I wrote that Ponson's surprisingly successful season has been the result of a sharp increase in his groundball rate. The problem is that Fenway Park has a notoriously hard infield, which can cause trouble for groundball pitchers (Chien-Ming Wang's career ERA at Fenway is 5.11, and in his complete-game two-hitter there this April, he got more outs in the air than on the ground). Ponson hasn't faced the Red Sox this year, but historically, the Sox's lineup owns him (David Ortiz: .444/.563/.722; Manny Ramirez: .404/.481/.511; Jason Varitek: .317/.364/.561; Kevin Youkilis: 4 for 9 with a double; J.D. Drew: 3 for 7 with a double; Dustin Pedroia: 3 for 3), the only exception being Mike Lowell, who is 0 for 7 with a walk against Ponson. Lester would have to implode completely for the Yankees to overcome what's likely to happen to Ponson on Sunday night.

That means the Yankees hopes for a series win lie in the first two games . . .

Everything's gone according to plan thus far. The Yankees got a dominant outing from Joba Chamberlain on Friday night and a quality start from Andy Pettitte buoyed by ten runs of support yesterday to take the first two games and thus the series, but with them having done that, pushing their second-half record to a perfect 9-0 and closing their deficit to the Red Sox in the Wild Card race to just one game . . . doesn't it seem possible that they just mind find away to win tonight despite all of what I said above?

Here's another question: If on Opening Day I told you that, on the final weekend in July, Yankees would be on the verge of a three-game sweep at Fenway that would tie them with the Red Sox in the standings, and that the lineup they were running out in an attempt to win that game featured Xavier Nady, Richie Sexson, Jose Molina, and Sidney Ponson in place of Hideki Matsui, Jason Giambi, Jorge Posada, and either Chien-Ming Wang, Phil Hughes, or Ian Kennedy, (or anyone else, really), what would your reaction have been? Elation? Disgust? Confusion? Frustration? Shock? Concern?

The game's being threatened by rain, but if it's the storm that passed through New Jersey this afternoon, it won't last too long. Given the ESPN start time and the team's involved, any kind of delay at the start should push the end of the game well past midnight.

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2008-07-27 16:05:37
1.   Travis08
The last matchup between these two pitchers produced the longest 9-inning game in major league history.

http://www.bb-ref.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200608182.shtml

2008-07-27 16:10:40
2.   Gagne55
1 I'd forgotten Ponson was a Yankee before.
2008-07-27 16:13:56
3.   tommyl
0 Cliff, I think if you had told me at the beginning of the season that Ponson would be pitching for the Yankees at all I'd have said you were insane. So yeah, I think shock describes it.

BTW, might want to keep tabs on the AAA game tonight. Aceves vs. Liriano

2008-07-27 16:19:14
4.   ms october
2 as hard as i have tried i haven't

0 elation at the 3 game sweep of course - consternation probably sums up the rest of it

travis08, i am hoping tto see an updated yankee winning percentage leaders tonight with snacks moving on up

2008-07-27 16:26:12
5.   Chyll Will
0 "That's the thing about baseball, ya never know what to expe-" (WHAM!!)

Shaddup, John Sterling. Love, Chyll Will >;)

Personally, i would have thought something would have to have gone horribly wrong to get to that lineup, but as it was, it was more like annoyingly mediocre...

2008-07-27 16:26:56
6.   yankster
0 Opening Day? If you'd told me six weeks ago that the Yankees would be even with the Sox in the loss column by now, I would have spit my milk. Even Goldman said it was exceedingly unlikely the Yanks would make the post-season.

I've lost my dignity already bubbling to friends about the comeback. Shock is definitely the word.

Except the left reliever. I feel like we're always trading near the deadline for a reliever.

2008-07-27 16:31:49
7.   Travis08
4 Yankees' record in pitcher-starts, 1995-2008, minimum 5 starts:

0.857 Sidney Ponson 6-1
0.833 Tyler Clippard 5-1
0.750 Aaron Small 9-3
0.727 Randy Keisler 8-3
0.700 Joba Chamberlain 7-3
0.695 Chien-Ming Wang 66-29
0.683 David Wells 84-39
0.667 Jon Lieber 18-9
0.667 Jose Contreras 18-9
0.667 Esteban Loaiza 4-2

Trivia question: Who is the only Yankees pitcher with at least 3 starts since 1995 who did not start in a Yankees win?

2008-07-27 16:34:25
8.   RIYank
And, by the way, what if someone had told you that the Yanks and Sox would be battling on July 27, a single game apart... and both chasing the Rays???
2008-07-27 16:40:14
9.   Just fair
3 Nick Green just hit a 3 run homer off Liriano to tie it at 4 in the top of the 5th.
2008-07-27 16:42:03
10.   ms october
7 thanks travis08
2008-07-27 16:45:14
11.   RIYank
Ms. Oct., the weather has cleared here. What's up there?
2008-07-27 16:48:56
12.   Travis08
ESPN just showed them taking the tarp off the field.
2008-07-27 16:50:06
13.   JL25and3
I have to give you credit, Cliff. Here's what you wrote Friday night:

"However, if Girardi decides he now has a matchup lefty and starts managing batter-by-batter in the late-innings, it's going to put a previously non-existent strain on the bullpen and could actually hurt the unit as a whole."

And sure enough, that's exactly how he used Marte yesterday.

Granted, if there's any situation where you'd want to use batter-by-batter matchups, that was the one: Ortiz and Manny, with a chance to put the Sox right back in the game. I'm willing to let that one slide, but I hope it doesn't become a habit.

I also hope you're less prescient in your Nady-Craig Wilson comparison.

2008-07-27 16:54:25
14.   ms october
11 12 cleared up here too - the sky is a bit lighter as well so maybe the next storm won't come in until much later
2008-07-27 16:56:29
15.   monkeypants
13 I'm hoping that was just Girardi's way of easing Marte into the BP rotation, and it was (as you note) a particular set of circumstances.

We'll know more in a few appearances how he plans to use Marte regularly.

2008-07-27 16:57:57
16.   RIYank
13 It would have made perfect sense, actually, except that Marte has good splits against righties.
Since it worked out, nobody's complaining, obviously.

Does anybody wish we could have had tonight's Washburn start? He handled the Jays nicely.

I think I'm going to miss every bit of the game, dammit. I have to drive to Logan airport, wait for my wife, and drive home. Her flight was delayed, and now the game is delayed by the same amount. I'll have to listen on the radio, flipping back and forth between the Sox station and John & Suzyn.

2008-07-27 16:58:31
17.   ms october
13 thought the same thing - with cliff being spot on and that the ortiz/manny combo is about the only time i wouldn't get annoyed by it.
it's like the loogy is a toy that these managers just have to have even if a lhrp shouldn't be a loogy.
2008-07-27 16:58:35
18.   Shaun P
14 Online interactive radar seems to suggest that the storms are not going to come back. We'll see.
2008-07-27 17:00:19
19.   monkeypants
13 Also, Hawkins had been pretty much banished to the end of the BP. Even if Marte is used more as a LOOGY, he could still essentially replaced Hawkins' innings and not put further strain on the "real" BP.

Wishful thinking...

2008-07-27 17:01:50
20.   Eirias
Every time I think ESPN can be no more bombastic than they are, they prove me wrong.
2008-07-27 17:02:00
21.   RIYank
Is there any chance that Marte might replace Giese as long man?
2008-07-27 17:02:35
22.   tommyl
Well, no Morgan (yay!), but instead Phillips (boo!)
2008-07-27 17:02:47
23.   monkeypants
Hey, no Joe Morgan. Yet another reason to love the HOF and HOF weekend!
2008-07-27 17:02:54
24.   Travis08
I think I'd rather have Joe Morgan in the booth than Steve Phillips.
2008-07-27 17:03:31
25.   monkeypants
20 Remember, just turn off any pregame BS on FOX or ESPN...
2008-07-27 17:03:43
26.   JL25and3
Marte's reverse lefty-righty split is really just for this year - 60 PA against lefties. Over his career the splits are normal.

Plus, there's Ortiz's splits.

2008-07-27 17:03:56
27.   ms october
24 me too
2008-07-27 17:03:59
28.   Eirias
I always imagine Manny with a much higher voice.
2008-07-27 17:05:21
29.   tommyl
Hey, Manny is bitching and wants a trade. It must be July.
2008-07-27 17:05:29
30.   JL25and3
20 Just ESPN being ESPN...
2008-07-27 17:08:40
31.   JimCobain
Boy, Orel Hershiser looks downright evil with that high angle camera. He was all fired up or had Uncle Leo eye brows drawn on by Joe Morgan's makeup artist.
2008-07-27 17:08:54
32.   RIYank
26 I always wondered about that. Suppose a lefty pitcher has strange, equal splits against righties and lefties. And he faces a lefty who has normal, skewed splits, he can't hit lefties at all.
Does one of those tendencies win out? Or do they average? Or is there no general answer?
2008-07-27 17:09:23
33.   tommyl
Anyone hear anything about a game time?
2008-07-27 17:10:03
34.   Sliced Bread
Yellow shirt, pink tie, Jon Miller appears to be wearing a piece of ARod's birthday cake.
2008-07-27 17:14:06
35.   RIYank
33 They're waiting because another squall is expected to come through. So, no. But not too long.
2008-07-27 17:18:14
36.   ChrisS
32 The universe implodes, let's hope it doesn't happen.

I'd like to see Nady give me some hope.

2008-07-27 17:36:31
37.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
A rainout means Ponson won't start the make-up, right...??
2008-07-27 17:40:20
38.   3rd gen yankee fan
ESPN radio is playing the 7th game of the 2003 ALCS... just got through the 8th inning where Bernie knocked in Jeter... woo hoo!
2008-07-27 17:41:53
39.   Travis08
The game is scheduled to start at 9:00.

37 A rainout would be made up either on August 25 or during the final weekend of the season.

2008-07-27 17:58:06
40.   OldYanksFan
Well, the girls at ESPN all seem sure that Manny is done as a Red Sox. I myself am not that sure, since the Sox have 2 one year options. Gotta love one year options. One of the ladies seems to think Manny is looking for a $100m contract. Really? 5 years @ 20m? So.... what's Manny worth? 3/$50? He's no kid anymore.
2008-07-27 17:58:43
41.   monkeypants
Please dear God let this game begin...the Baseball Tonight idiots are killing me. Usually BBT is not broadcast here in Canada, and I forgot how irritating these guys are.

BTW, is Dari Norkhah Karl Ravech's evil doppelganger?

2008-07-27 17:58:52
42.   Travis08
39 FWIW, the NFL Network is re-airing Super Bowl XLII right now.
2008-07-27 18:00:37
43.   monkeypants
40 I'm not sure 5@20 is that unrealistic. What will Tex make, for example? Manny stands a good chance to outperform Tex with the bat for at least a few years.
2008-07-27 18:02:12
44.   williamnyy23
It was nice to see Gammon maintain his objectivity when reporting on Manny before the game. I wonder if Red Sox management prepares cue card for him to read.
2008-07-27 18:03:25
45.   williamnyy23
I know it pays the bills, but these ads at the bottom of each thread will take some getting used to.
2008-07-27 18:05:35
46.   monkeypants
45 EVIL CAPITALISM!!!!!

Sorry, I was just filling for OldYanksFan there.

2008-07-27 18:07:04
47.   monkeypants
Jeter is hitting the ball better, and he's lately pulled a few more balls with authority.
2008-07-27 18:10:03
48.   Just fair
1 ball laced. 2 balls just missed. A portend of things to come.
2008-07-27 18:11:08
49.   monkeypants
48 YEah, A-rod's ball carried more than I thought, though admittedly in Fenway that was only a 295' foot fly.
2008-07-27 18:11:10
50.   Shaun P
43 I'm not saying he couldn't hit at 41, but is anyone really going to take a chance on Manny at 41?

Especially in the non-DH league?

If the Angels didn't already have an OF full of bad contracts, I could see them doing 5yrs/$20M per. But who else in the AL would pay that?

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2008-07-27 18:11:58
51.   monkeypants
And so it begins...
2008-07-27 18:12:38
52.   ms october
45 agreed - it would help if they were a little smaller

ugh dustbin with the immediate hit.
it wouldn't be a ponson game without a bunch of guys on base

2008-07-27 18:13:52
53.   tommyl
Um, did ESPN just show Carl Pavano pitching for the Yankees? or am I losing my mind?
2008-07-27 18:16:07
54.   ChrisS
52

If Ponson was a pro golfer, he'd a poorman's Ernie Els - one scrambling sonofabitch. In and out of trouble all night long.

2008-07-27 18:17:13
55.   Travis08
Time to warm up Giese.
2008-07-27 18:17:14
56.   monkeypants
That's just Sydney being Sydney...
2008-07-27 18:17:14
57.   Just fair
Gee. Who would have predicted this?
2008-07-27 18:17:35
58.   tommyl
Well, this is the Sidney Ponson I remember.
2008-07-27 18:18:11
59.   ChrisS
54 or just in it, as the case tonight may be.
2008-07-27 18:18:18
60.   williamnyy23
The price for Washburn is going up with every pitch Ponson throws. The Yankees have played well enough that they can absorb a loss today, but Cashman has to come up with a way to make sure Ponson does not take many more starts.
2008-07-27 18:18:48
61.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
so so so glad we took the first two games of this series..the inevitable Ponsoon damage wil be easier to take..
2008-07-27 18:18:57
62.   monkeypants
Washburn pitches a four hitter today, and the wheels fall of Sir Sidney's chuck wagon in Boston...the perfect storm for a crazy Yankee signing.
2008-07-27 18:19:00
63.   Shaun P
It could be that Ponson will get on track next inning.
2008-07-27 18:20:13
64.   Just fair
Orel, get a clue. Cano's "nonchalance" on the dp did not set off this inning. Manny being Manny. I think I'm going to f$%#ing scream.!
2008-07-27 18:20:21
65.   monkeypants
Phillips got to use the term "productive out", rag on Jeter, and say "Manny being Manny" all within the first inning.
2008-07-27 18:21:53
66.   monkeypants
64 Maybe I misheard, but I thought they blamed Jeter's nonchalance on the inning...which is still stupid. This is just what happens when Sydey "1.7 WHIP" Ponson plies his trade.
2008-07-27 18:21:56
67.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
65 Thank Buddha for Gameday..never want to hear either of those phrases ever again..Steve Phillips, don't you have a pedicure appointment to get to now please??
2008-07-27 18:22:13
68.   Travis08
The Yankees need to stretch this out until the next rainstorm hits Boston.
2008-07-27 18:22:18
69.   Just fair
The Reyns.com ad guy looks like Theo Epstein.
2008-07-27 18:23:00
70.   ms october
just checked chad jennings blog - sounds like aceves had 3 good innings and then struggled in the 4th and 5th - sounds like he is not quite ready yet after his injury - so we are going to have to hope if snacks is still around he regains the snacks magic that he seems unable to ever muster against the red sox
2008-07-27 18:23:04
71.   williamnyy23
64 Cano was fine, but Jeter definitely laid back on that ball.
2008-07-27 18:25:32
72.   tommyl
Ok, I'm a big fan of Lester's. I think what he's done is amazing, but does ESPN need to take a graphic from a fucking fan blog?
2008-07-27 18:26:22
73.   tommyl
70 Or we could just bring Kennedy back up. The kid does have an ERA around 2 in AAA and almost threw a no hitter last time out.
2008-07-27 18:29:21
74.   Jeb
Do we have to hear the incredibly wonderful amazing never done before Jon Lester story again? Seriously, how many times do we have to hear about it? I get it.

And before anyone says anything, I've had a very close relative die from Cancer, so I respect what Lester has done; I just want to know when they'll start talking about him as a pitcher and not a cancer survivor.

2008-07-27 18:29:37
75.   OldYanksFan
Jeez Melky
2008-07-27 18:29:40
76.   Shaun P
Alright, Sexson hits the lefty!
2008-07-27 18:30:06
77.   ChrisS
Melky just got owned.
2008-07-27 18:30:39
78.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
74 Jeb-san, are you not watching ESPN?? all-Boston, all the time! I imagine even Lester gets tired of it and would want to move on..I know I would..
2008-07-27 18:31:14
79.   tommyl
74 Arguably, they should be now. The kid is having one hell of a season for a 24 year old. I'm impressed with his pitching, the life story just means he's one of the few Sox I can root for at times.
2008-07-27 18:32:00
80.   ChrisS
At least Boston's bottom third is arguably as bad as the Yankees' bottom third.
2008-07-27 18:32:02
81.   OldYanksFan
When those pitches are up in Melky's eyes, maybe instead of swinging he could just headbutt the ball?
2008-07-27 18:33:10
82.   Travis08
Nice at-bat from All-Star Jason Varitek.
2008-07-27 18:33:37
83.   Jeb
74 79 Ok, but if they would quit talking about that it would make it more easy to hope he hurts his elbow..

;o)

2008-07-27 18:33:43
84.   ms october
73 yeah i w ould like to see what kennedy will do this time - just don't get the sense that the yanks are ready to call him up

thankfully the black hole that is varitek is around.

2008-07-27 18:34:07
85.   williamnyy23
With the strength of the Yankees bullpen, I wouldn't mind Girardi going to Dan Giese very quickly tonight (like this inning).
2008-07-27 18:34:10
86.   Shaun P
78 And speaking of ESPN - I turn on the game, just in time to see this hour's Favre update! Shocker.

Can Christian play CF? Because sheesh, Melky looked bad that last PA.

2008-07-27 18:35:04
87.   ms october
giese time
2008-07-27 18:35:06
88.   Shaun P
85 How about right now?
2008-07-27 18:35:24
89.   Travis08
That still should have been caught.
2008-07-27 18:36:05
90.   ChrisS
this doesn't look like a it's going to be a good night.
2008-07-27 18:36:20
91.   Eirias
86 What's up with Favre? I thought he was retired.
2008-07-27 18:36:40
92.   Alison
It's the beginning of a long night...
2008-07-27 18:36:51
93.   Jeb
Guys, I just had an AMAZING revelation: Snacks Ponson is a fucking train wreck of a pitcher. If he lived in China, they'd leave him outside to die of exposure.
2008-07-27 18:36:51
94.   OldYanksFan
Man! That was a fast game.
2008-07-27 18:37:28
95.   williamnyy23
88 One half hour ago would have been better.
2008-07-27 18:39:23
96.   OldYanksFan
Melky is a better player then Gardner.
And Gardner pretty much sucked while he was up here.
Still, when I see ABs like that one, I'd rather have Brett up.
Does Melky want to get traded?
2008-07-27 18:39:57
97.   Just fair
I think Girardi will hang Ponson out to dry until he gives up 4 more runs. Or until the Yankees score a few off Lester.
2008-07-27 18:41:08
98.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
91 Peter King must be weeping...
god i hate the NFL..is there anything more irritating than arrogant head coaches?
2008-07-27 18:41:36
99.   Travis08
Does Jon Miller realize that Lester has given up 4 hits tonight?
2008-07-27 18:41:51
100.   williamnyy23
96 You'd rather watch Gardner take a called strike three or lunge at a ball? Melky could swing with eyes close and he'd still be better than Gardner. To use Melky as a focal point for frustration in this game is misguided.
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2008-07-27 18:42:11
101.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
no douple play here Captain, please no DP!!
2008-07-27 18:44:31
102.   tommyl
Ugh, this is looking like pre-ASB Yankees.
2008-07-27 18:44:43
103.   williamnyy23
101 This game has turned on a double play Jeter didn't make and one he hit into. Jeter is really the last link in this team's turnaround.
2008-07-27 18:44:54
104.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
:(
2008-07-27 18:44:58
105.   OldYanksFan
101 You need to speak louder.
2008-07-27 18:45:28
106.   Eirias
101 Haven't we learned that only reverse jinks work?
2008-07-27 18:45:38
107.   Sliced Bread
53 I saw the same thing.

Pavano's name was on the graphic.
ESPN chuckleheads.

2008-07-27 18:45:39
108.   Jeb
Nobody and I mean NOBODY, knows how to GIDP like the Captain! That's his 15th on the season and somehow it feels like 100.
2008-07-27 18:45:40
109.   Just fair
Orel likes the Red Sox' double play combo much more than the Yanks. "Alex Cora is a guy who helps you win games."
UGH.
2008-07-27 18:46:00
110.   ChrisS
101 was that written before (and prescient) or after he hit into the double play (and sarcasm)?
2008-07-27 18:47:01
111.   tommyl
107 Thank G-d! I seriously thought I'd lost my mind.
2008-07-27 18:47:23
112.   ChrisS
108 considering he averages about 16 a season, he's certainly on pace for what seems like a 100.
2008-07-27 18:47:29
113.   williamnyy23
Jeter's .798 OPS againts lefties this season has been a killer.
2008-07-27 18:48:16
114.   tommyl
109 Not like that Derek Jeter. He of the hall of fame career and what are those things called? Intangibles. I mean didn't he do this "flip" thing once? Didn't he hit some meaningless homerun at midnight on Nov. 1st? Yeah, that Derek Jeter, no Alex Cora is he. Fucking insane.
2008-07-27 18:49:23
115.   Jeb
Bright Side:

1. We started after the ASB 8-1. We'd all have agreed to that back on July 13

2. We've won this series 2 games to 1...on the road.

3. We will leave Boston 3 games out of first and only 2 games behind Boston. I'll take that too.

4. Maybe, just maybe, Ponson can give up 10 more runs and get DFA'd and we can either go get Washburn (though I don't want to give up prospects) or start trying the minor league kids again.

5. Tampa has 16 or 19 games in September against Boston and the Yankees. We'll see how damn good they are then.

2008-07-27 18:49:34
116.   Just fair
Hey, Gammons with some pespective on the misfortunes of the 08 Yankees and where they are in the standings. Indeed.
2008-07-27 18:50:21
117.   Shaun P
Guys, something to take your minds off this horrible game:

http://tinyurl.com/65hyzr

(Where does deadspin find this stuff?)

(And apologies to the ladies and anyone else who might mind.)

2008-07-27 18:51:53
118.   Just fair
115 We're going to see how damn good everyone is going to be during the next 2 months. : )
2008-07-27 18:53:45
119.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team!

Derek killed us last inning, but we'll fight back.

I have a good feeling.

Alex and Robby will step up.

2008-07-27 18:54:24
120.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
109 for such a smart player Orel really buys into the whole "gamer/grinder/scrappy/Dusty/Eckstein/Erstad" worship nonsense
2008-07-27 18:54:50
121.   Jeb
117 the one who's wearing the Yankee Hot Pants looks like Arod's Boston stripper, Candice Houlihan

http://tinyurl.com/5sl9ud

2008-07-27 18:55:00
122.   williamnyy23
120 If I played on the 1988 Dodgers, I would believe in it too.
2008-07-27 18:55:37
123.   tommyl
OMG guys there's a fucking baseball game happening here. Try announcing it.
2008-07-27 18:56:37
124.   Travis08
Nady's playing some awful LF tonight.
2008-07-27 18:56:37
125.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
serious "dis" to Varitek with the IBB..hope he Ks here to justify it..
2008-07-27 18:56:47
126.   weeping for brunnhilde
AAaaaaaaaggggggghhh!!

Fuck.

That's a bit of a back-breaker.

2008-07-27 18:57:06
127.   Eirias
So... how 'bout Sir Sid?
2008-07-27 18:57:11
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
123 Oh, God, no kidding.

They're killing me.

2008-07-27 18:57:19
129.   williamnyy23
123 To be honest, this isn't much of a game. By keeping Ponson in the game, Girardi is cashing in the chips and getting ready for Baltimore.
2008-07-27 18:58:03
130.   williamnyy23
124 I am sure playing Fenway's left field isn't the easiest thing to do for someone unfamiliar with that wall.
2008-07-27 18:58:24
131.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
as per 115 , the likely blowout tonight doesn't take away from 8 straight wins and the climb back up the standings...let Ponson throw 140 pitches tonight and save the pen,please
2008-07-27 18:58:50
132.   Just fair
What better way to sweep than to come back from a 5 run deficit. Right? right?
2008-07-27 18:59:28
133.   Jeb
meanwhile the price on Washburn just keeps getting higher (after his game in Toronto and Snacks tonight). Think we can get him for Arod, now?

seriously, I hope we don't panic and roll over to them. They won't be competitive for 10 years, so why cow-tow to them? Let them pay him the $9 per year he's got coming.

2008-07-27 18:59:33
134.   weeping for brunnhilde
(That Ebay ad at the bottom of the screen is an eyesore, btw.)
2008-07-27 18:59:40
135.   tommyl
129 Whatever, you should still be telling us about what's happening on the field. Instead they were psychoanalyzing Manny Ramirez, which has to be the least productive thing a person can do. Guess what guys, he's immature and says stuff. Most of it he doesn't mean, who cares?
2008-07-27 19:00:46
136.   yankster
124 130 and I'm sure it's even harder for someone who normally plays right field. In the pregame Nady said it was "exciting" to play a position he had "no preparation" for. He said he was trying to learn on the field.
2008-07-27 19:01:05
137.   Just fair
130 The wall had nothing to do with Xavier's off line throw from shallow left to 2nd base which would have nailed Varitek.
2008-07-27 19:01:25
138.   williamnyy23
135 This game has the feel of a blowout and Manny is really a big story. Considering that it's a TV broadcast, I don't mind the discusion. It sure beats an indepth discussion of how bad Ponson is.
2008-07-27 19:01:32
139.   tommyl
Hey X-man, Lester's a lefty. Hit him, now, please.
2008-07-27 19:01:38
140.   OldYanksFan
ARod has recently developed a habit of watching his hits and not running. Almost cost us there.
2008-07-27 19:02:42
141.   tommyl
138 "Two strikes on Nady," which is why he's walking back the dugout. Way to pay attention there guys.
2008-07-27 19:02:48
142.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fucking idiot Miller's so busy yakking about the fucking Monster Seats he doesn't even know the count.
2008-07-27 19:04:51
143.   yankster
I figure that all the ads on the site bring in around $5 per person per year, which I'm sure adds up. But it would be great if there were an alternative where we could just hand in $5 a year (like weatherunderground.com) and then not have to see any ads.
2008-07-27 19:05:25
144.   Just fair
142 And he called Cabrera Molina in his 1st at-bat. Good stuff.
2008-07-27 19:05:41
145.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
cmon Cano..we need a kick-start run here!
2008-07-27 19:06:21
146.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice little ab by Robby. He didn't strike out against a tough lefty.
2008-07-27 19:06:51
147.   OldYanksFan
143 I agree. This is a great site and group of people. I would gladly pay a token fee, maybe $10-$20/yr to participate.
2008-07-27 19:06:52
148.   williamnyy23
Lester is pitching very well, so if you want to be glass half full, at least you didn't waste a non-Ponson start.
2008-07-27 19:06:55
149.   tommyl
144 Its ok, its not like they claim to be the nation's #1 sports network or anything. May I still remind you, in their defensive graphic they had Carl Pavano on the mound for the Yankees. Tonight!
2008-07-27 19:08:18
150.   weeping for brunnhilde
140 Agreed.
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2008-07-27 19:08:33
151.   nick
136 the fact that Abreu is by at least one measure clearly the worst defensive RF in MLB makes me wonder: will they DH him once Damon is ready to play left again?
2008-07-27 19:09:02
152.   weeping for brunnhilde
143 Agreed. I'd pay a small fee to avoid seeing this thing right in the middle of the thread.
2008-07-27 19:10:25
153.   Just fair
149 I missed that Pavano graphic. I can only imagine. : )
2008-07-27 19:10:33
154.   OldYanksFan
Anyone remember when Fox had that cartoon baseball, to try and teach kids basic baseball concepts?
2008-07-27 19:10:39
155.   nick
I can't see the ad, by the way, but it could be just a coincidence ;-)
2008-07-27 19:11:37
156.   Shaun P
149 Until the MLB network is in almost every home in the USA, and could be a viable alternative to ESPN, I'm afraid we're stuck with them.

Unless you just go by Gameday or the radio.

2008-07-27 19:13:03
157.   ms october
154 scooter? that was an abomination.

re : the ads
i just read ken's fairpole post on the sidebar. the ads being in weird places is just a temporary thing and things will go back to normal tomorrow.

hopefully back to normal (post asb form) tomorrow applies to the yanks as well.

2008-07-27 19:13:25
158.   tommyl
154 That wasn't Joe Morgan?
2008-07-27 19:13:42
159.   Just fair
154 Scooter. Why did they get rid of him. It was so entertaining. (throwing up in mouth)
2008-07-27 19:17:17
160.   Jeb
157 I think you mean the "clay-mation" Mel Allen, which appeared at the beginning and end of This Week In Baseball after he died. Someone's going to hell for that idea.
2008-07-27 19:18:18
161.   tommyl
Well there goes that game...
2008-07-27 19:18:29
162.   Jeb
well, time for Giese now. Nice pitching snacks.
2008-07-27 19:18:41
163.   weeping for brunnhilde
Is there a person in the world who didn't see that coming?
2008-07-27 19:19:15
164.   weeping for brunnhilde
154 Oh, God, don't remind me!
2008-07-27 19:19:15
165.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
160 claymation Mel??? i never saw that!!
they show TWIB here dubbed in Japanese..doesn't have the same effect as when I was 10 years old..
2008-07-27 19:19:32
166.   Jeb
seriously, the more runs snacks gives up, the less likely he ever pitches for us again.
2008-07-27 19:19:49
167.   williamnyy23
Ponson is clearly going to take one for the team, but if the Yankees really weren't going to try and win this game, it would have been nice to simply forfeit the game and not arrive him at 4AM in the morning.
2008-07-27 19:19:58
168.   nick
god, I despise Pontoon--no, "yes, but", I just despise the fat fuck and would dfa him before dawn....
2008-07-27 19:20:21
169.   tommyl
What was that about Melky not being a good CFer?

Ponson pitching his way to a DFA!

2008-07-27 19:20:24
170.   bobtaco
117 Oh, that's nothing... check out this one my friend found. It will take your mind off this horrid outing by Ponson...

Thanks Melky

http://tinyurl.com/5rfz36

2008-07-27 19:20:50
171.   Just fair
Ortiz is the only every day player on the Red Sox that I like. Good catch, Melky.
2008-07-27 19:21:08
172.   nick
they couldn't reply the Melky catch?
2008-07-27 19:22:15
173.   OldYanksFan
157 Yes, 'Scooter' (sorry Phil). Maybe the worst decision by a TV executive in the history of the medium. And that includes 'My Mother the Car'.
2008-07-27 19:22:53
174.   Jeb
165 sorry, can't find a link, but it was horrible.
2008-07-27 19:23:59
175.   williamnyy23
Can Melky stay now?
2008-07-27 19:25:09
176.   Just fair
172 It wasn't nearly as good as Ellsbury's who made a tremendous leap into the air (even though he did not need to) landed and crashed into the Monster like car crash, robbing the Yanks' of zero runs and simply making the 2nd out of an inning. /sarcasm
2008-07-27 19:25:45
177.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
174 never saw Scooter either, but from the comments I guess I will pass...but how dare they steal Rizzuto's nickname!
2008-07-27 19:26:29
178.   Max
175 There are undoubtedly a few GMs who are currently burning the lines on Cashman's cellphone, asking for Melky to be thrown in to a deal for their mediocre pitcher...based on Ponson's performance tonight.
2008-07-27 19:28:17
179.   Jeb
ok what pitch will Jeter GIDP?
2008-07-27 19:28:21
180.   OldYanksFan
Back in the Bernie era, anyone remember a game against Boston where we were down 9-1, and came back to win?
2008-07-27 19:28:43
181.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
NO DOUBLE PLAY PLEASE! I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME DEREK!!
2008-07-27 19:28:51
182.   Eirias
So if the Yankees hit INTO a triple play, does that guy still win a car?
2008-07-27 19:28:58
183.   bobtaco
Over/under on a bad Jeter AB?
2008-07-27 19:29:33
184.   tommyl
HAHAHAHAHA
2008-07-27 19:29:45
185.   Shaun P
170 Sidney who?

;)

2008-07-27 19:29:54
186.   OldYanksFan
No over/under on a play like that!
2008-07-27 19:30:07
187.   ms october
well not a good ab or hit - but it worked out okay
2008-07-27 19:30:13
188.   Just fair
That's funny. I kind of wish Lowell had one of his hissy-fits.
2008-07-27 19:30:24
189.   bobtaco
187 That's a Push ;-)
2008-07-27 19:30:49
190.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Yeahhhh Boyeeee! We can do this, like Brutus!! (cmon everyone, let's all do the Flavor Flav)
2008-07-27 19:31:26
191.   tommyl
Ok guys, come back. Let's go, let's get Dan Giese a win.
2008-07-27 19:31:44
192.   Jeb
180 couple base hits/walks and maybe we can run his pitch count up enough to get into that pen. And we pull Snacks. Who knows.

We've already won this series; if a miracle somehow happened, Boston might collapse.

2008-07-27 19:31:58
193.   ms october
190 i am not sure you realize just how low flava flav has gone.
2008-07-27 19:32:03
194.   Chyll Will
184-187... Watching South Park instead, but keeping up with what you guys are typing... is it worth asking what happened?
2008-07-27 19:32:13
195.   OldYanksFan
I hate this kind of teasing.
2008-07-27 19:32:47
196.   tommyl
A-Rod, please hit a grandslam over the monster here. Please, it would be so awesome.
2008-07-27 19:33:06
197.   Just fair
174 Don't think it's incredible in today's world when you can't find what you're looking for? For any TV execs out there that's been my gameshow idea for a while now. Call it "Stump Google" or "Stump YouTube." :)
2008-07-27 19:33:09
198.   tommyl
194 Imagination Land? I'm DVRing it.
2008-07-27 19:33:12
199.   Jeb
Of course if we did pull out a miracle (like we did in Snacks' last start for the Yankees in Fenway in 2006), we'd just get 2-3 more starts from Snacks. Do the player love him or something?
2008-07-27 19:33:47
200.   tommyl
Oh man, that was a "soft" liner? That was ripped.
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2008-07-27 19:34:11
201.   Chyll Will
193 Not "Homeboys In Outer Space", but it's a drain on my enthusiasm with acting, that's for sure...
2008-07-27 19:34:16
202.   ms october
194 snacks happened
the yanks have squandered a few chances early on, but seem to be taking more advantage of risp this inning - jeter with a squibbly little hit and abreu walked with the bases loaded
2008-07-27 19:34:21
203.   OldYanksFan
194 Not to worry Chyll. So this could be THE GREATEST COMEBACK THIS YEAR! So, how's South Park?
2008-07-27 19:34:37
204.   tommyl
Ok X-man, earn your keep buddy.
2008-07-27 19:34:50
205.   Jeb
197 I found descriptions of Claymation Mel (you can find a dandy at Jumped the Shark), but no pictures or video.
2008-07-27 19:34:51
206.   nick
I fear Nady will suck all year--his first big chance here....
2008-07-27 19:35:06
207.   Just fair
Will the real Xavier Nady please stand up.
2008-07-27 19:35:19
208.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
193 not Ol' Dirty Bastard low I hope...
2008-07-27 19:35:37
209.   tommyl
Oh for the love of G-d, Brett Gardner could have done that.
2008-07-27 19:35:50
210.   Chyll Will
198 Me too, but I just can't stand E@#$ these days...
2008-07-27 19:36:08
211.   51cq24
how do you not score on that?
2008-07-27 19:36:09
212.   nick
could Meacham get it right one fucking time?!
2008-07-27 19:36:10
213.   tommyl
Craig Wilson, welcome back. Sigh, why do you have to be right all the time Cliff?
2008-07-27 19:36:13
214.   Jeb
Dammit! Malcom hasn't earned his pinstripes yet, has he? This really fucking sucks that we had the bases juiced and won't score....unless Robby can get a hit....
2008-07-27 19:36:22
215.   OldYanksFan
Should have send him.
2008-07-27 19:36:24
216.   williamnyy23
Damon has to tag there!

I know Arod hit a bullet, but both he and Nady had to make Lester throw a strike. Both batters bad approach could have cost the Yankees a chance to come back in this game.

2008-07-27 19:36:56
217.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
cmon Robby smack one into the gap!!
2008-07-27 19:37:14
218.   Jeb
take the damn walk Robby..we need the runs man.
2008-07-27 19:37:54
219.   Just fair
A dribbler and a walk. Otherwise no runs with the bases loaded and none out. Bollocks.
2008-07-27 19:38:03
220.   tommyl
G-d damnit!
2008-07-27 19:38:33
221.   OldYanksFan
Wow... that REALLY SUCKED!
2008-07-27 19:38:41
222.   Jeb
215 that's easy to say with where the throw ended up, but Lester was pretty shallow. how much would people bitch if Johnny had gotten gunned down for our #2 because of Meacham?

And, yes, I agree that it's time to fire meacham -- I just think that fly was awfully shallow.

2008-07-27 19:39:12
223.   Eirias
Fission Mailed.
2008-07-27 19:39:19
224.   Jeb
"out" #2 not "our"
2008-07-27 19:39:56
225.   williamnyy23
After walking Abreu, Lester never threw another called strike. Sometimes when you blow a big opportunity, you really deserve it. It's one thing to lose because your stuck sending Ponson to the mound, but another because you squandered a big chance.
2008-07-27 19:40:04
226.   ms october
208 nah not like that. just has appeared in one exploitative reality show after another and then a ridiculous sitcom. just so far away from his pe days.
2008-07-27 19:40:21
227.   Chyll Will
203 Same as usual... can't really take your eyes off it, but that's not necessarily a positive thing >;)
2008-07-27 19:40:31
228.   Jeb
Gameday says that Giese is coming in. Hopefully he can hold them at Bay and force his way into another start while Snacks hits the bricks for another job.
2008-07-27 19:40:32
229.   Eirias
222 We're fans. It is our inalienable right to bitch, whether it works or not.
2008-07-27 19:41:37
230.   Just fair
If Crisp had been in center and Damon was held up I would have been more peeved. Would an old timer (no offense) clue me in on the last Boston centerfielder that did not have a wet noodle for a throwing arm?
2008-07-27 19:41:57
231.   Jeb
BTW, Lester is now at 88 pitches, so if we play our cards right, he'll pitch one more inning and we'll get to that shaky bullpen for the 7th and 8th before asshole comes in. Maybe we can get to them....
2008-07-27 19:42:00
232.   Max
This should be a 7-5 game, or even a 5-5 game if Girardi had had the balls to remove Ponson sooner. Guess the streak has to end some time.

Nady gets a pass for a week or so...but man, his at bats have not been good so far.

2008-07-27 19:42:21
233.   Shaun P
We get it - SportsCenter will be live. Why do these idiot networks jam this stuff down our throats?

Dear Mr. Ponson,

That was called an out. You're supposed to get those, without allowing baserunners and runs.

Regards,

Yankee Fans Everywhere

2008-07-27 19:42:44
234.   tommyl
228 Or just bring back IPK. There's no way he can be worse than Snacks and he's part of your long term plans. Blood the kid now when you don't have better options.
2008-07-27 19:42:54
235.   bobtaco
Polter's getting squeezed...
2008-07-27 19:43:21
236.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
226 Flav was on a reality show???!! was he wearing the clock?? (has it really been almost 20 years since P.E. were on top??)
2008-07-27 19:43:36
237.   Jeb
229 230 If they had sent Damon, he WOULD have made that. We know that based on where the ball went. BUT, when the ball was caught we really didn't know where it was going to go. I think when you're down 7-2 you play it safe....Hell, maybe you take the risk....It's a tough call.
2008-07-27 19:44:11
238.   williamnyy23
228 He should have been in an inning earlier...the Yankees would have a much better choice. Girardi has been very proactive with his pitchers, but tonight he seemed resigned to letting Ponson take one on the chin.
2008-07-27 19:44:54
239.   Jeb
234 I can live with that. Hell, I'd rather have old Yanks Fan pitch than snacks!
2008-07-27 19:45:46
240.   tommyl
238 He's wiggled out of trouble on his a few times, Girardi tried to let him this time. It was the wrong move, but it wasn't Jeff Weaver wrong.
2008-07-27 19:46:19
241.   monkeypants
OK, I'm back from a long phone call...kept one eye on the aborted rally last inning...not good.

do we get to ditch Sir Sidney now?

2008-07-27 19:46:40
242.   tommyl
239 Hey, I had a 0 ERA my last year of little league. Of course I was 12 and the mound was only 45 feet away, but still.
2008-07-27 19:47:35
243.   williamnyy23
Everytime I see Meacham I am reminded of how his awful send of Wang could have sidetracked a championship. With Joba pitching so well, just imagine the rotation with Wang added in! It was such a senseless decision.
2008-07-27 19:47:42
244.   Just fair
237 Your fallling prey to one of Michael Kay's favorites. The fallacy of the pre-determined outcome. If Damon does run on Ellsbury's catch, maybe he throws a perfect strike home and nails him. : )
The fact is the boys shit the bed with the bases loaded and none out. boo.
2008-07-27 19:48:08
245.   Max
234 Anyone think it's going to be Sir Sid again this Friday against Santana (Angels)? I would be disappointed if that were the case. We're in the middle of a 20 games in 20 days stretch (with Baltimore the only sub-.500 team), and I can't stomach seeing him 3 more times.
2008-07-27 19:49:09
246.   monkeypants
243 Uh-oh
2008-07-27 19:49:09
247.   Mattpat11
Sidney Ponson is as bad at baseball as he is everything else.
2008-07-27 19:50:04
248.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
6th inning..17 runners LOB so far...
2008-07-27 19:50:16
249.   ms october
241 let's hope so - he was a serviceable placeholder - but ugly like that always rears its head

23 omg have you missed a lot. first he was on that surreal life crap and then he and brigitte nelson had some spin off show then there was some riduculous dating show with him twice. i feel ashamed even talking about it, so that's it :}

2008-07-27 19:50:20
250.   monkeypants
245 I think that the Yankees will make a move for another starter, but I think that they will stick with Sir Sidney for a few more starts.

When Pitcher X shows up, they will send Rasner down, since he still has options.

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2008-07-27 19:50:29
251.   Jeb
244 I agree, they did shit the bed. It should be 7-4 at least. WOW, I'm glad Sexson is so great against Lefties. Malcom too. Good acquisitions.
2008-07-27 19:50:51
252.   tommyl
243 Wait, until a few days ago you were saying this team should be sellers. Now Meacham has single handedly derailed a World Series win?
2008-07-27 19:51:09
253.   OldYanksFan
237 Ellsbury has a poor arm. Our scouts should know that.
2008-07-27 19:51:11
254.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
247 i heard he's pretty good at mah-jong..
2008-07-27 19:51:19
255.   Jeb
250 I don't think Raz has options. I seem to recall that we got him because he WAS out of options and we sent him down and he cleared through waivers.
2008-07-27 19:51:33
256.   ms october
the second part of 249 was for you, Mr OK Jazz TOKYO at 236
2008-07-27 19:51:42
257.   Chyll Will
236 Dude, don't ask. It was just a hot mess that spread like hypersensitive mold...
2008-07-27 19:51:45
258.   tommyl
247 I dunno, he seems pretty good at eating and drinking. Maybe he should enter that contest at Coney Island.
2008-07-27 19:52:42
259.   monkeypants
255 Hmmm...interesting.
2008-07-27 19:52:55
260.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
249 sorry to digress from the game but this is important information! but what did you mean he was on " that surreal life crap" and a dating show with Bridget Nelson? not sure who that even is..maybe time to check his Wikipedia page!
2008-07-27 19:53:55
261.   Eirias
Help me, Jose-Wan Molina; you're my only hope!
2008-07-27 19:53:57
262.   monkeypants
It was nice of Melky to swing at that awful pitch, to make up for the ump's blown call on the previous pitch.
2008-07-27 19:54:03
263.   williamnyy23
252 You're right...that Wang kid wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Ponson.
2008-07-27 19:54:10
264.   Jeb
Lester's at 103 pitches. Molina getting a walk here realy could be HUGE. We could be finished with him right here.
2008-07-27 19:54:12
265.   tommyl
260 Man, there have been spinoff shows from contestants on one of his dating shows. Its pretty sad.
2008-07-27 19:55:22
266.   tommyl
263 Woah, I never said that. I just said that Wang does not equal Championship automatically, especially when you yourself was calling this a .500 team, mediocre and finished less than 14 days ago.
2008-07-27 19:56:19
267.   Jeb
260 ok you've really got to be kidding, right? Flava Flav has been on a number of dreadful reality shows that (somehow) I just can't help but watch when I'm channel surfing.

In fact, in one episode of the dating show (where a bunch of women try to be HIS girl), one of the female contestants literally Shit her pants (just like the Yanks did in the 5th).

2008-07-27 19:56:40
268.   Max
260 The story of Flav's post-PE career is worth a book in itself...a very pulpy book, that is. I actually watched some of the episodes with Brigitte (I'm ashamed to say), and it only got worse after that.

He was always a messy contradiction as the motormouth for one of the most popularly militant rap groups, though, so such is life.

2008-07-27 19:57:36
269.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
265 My god...Flavor Flav was on a dating show and started seeing Brigitte Nielsen..then he made his OWN show called "Flavor or Love"..Sly Stallone's B.Nilesen!!! too too too bizzare and hysterical...
2008-07-27 19:59:35
270.   tommyl
Hey I just discovered what to do during ESPN games. Play my guitar, can't hear'em.
2008-07-27 19:59:49
271.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
267 268 seriously, this info has just made my week...i cannot stop laughing..who's next for a reality show, Judd Nelson? the guy who played Willis on "DIffernt Strokes"??
2008-07-27 20:00:41
272.   tommyl
271 The two Corey's have one. Its pretty awful (disclaimer: My girlfriend loves these shows at times I am forced to watch them).
2008-07-27 20:00:44
273.   Jeb
Clearly Snacks should have been left in to remind Pukilis of Tony Conigliaro.
2008-07-27 20:01:13
274.   Just fair
I would like to see Sexon pick up either Ellsbury or Dustin by his ankle, hold him high in the air, and shake him. Heck, maybe he can pick up both of 'em.
2008-07-27 20:02:02
275.   monkeypants
266 Really, let's just let this go. William feels very strongly that Meacham in particular--and the entire Yankees coaching regime in general--is responsible for not taking greater precautions to prevent Wang's freakish and completely unforeseen injury. I don't think you or anyone else is going to change his mind.
2008-07-27 20:03:07
276.   monkeypants
I'm not a big fan of calling for two pitchouts in the same AB.
2008-07-27 20:03:41
277.   Just fair
271 Here's your Willis fix.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GofbAn-BXvE
2008-07-27 20:03:58
278.   tommyl
274 See if they have any spare change? Sexson should have a giant blue ox to follow him around.
2008-07-27 20:04:38
279.   Jeb
271 Dana plato was actually in a porn movie called, DIfferent Strokes!!! haha.

http://tinyurl.com/6mc4n7

2008-07-27 20:04:38
280.   Jeb
271 Dana plato was actually in a porn movie called, DIfferent Strokes!!! haha.

http://tinyurl.com/6mc4n7

2008-07-27 20:04:56
281.   tommyl
Well, this is not going to work out well.
2008-07-27 20:05:49
282.   williamnyy23
266 With Joba throwing like an ace, I certainly think Wang in place of Ponson could make the difference in whether the Yankees win a championship.

Also, the Yankees kind of were a .500 team 14 days ago, so I am not sure how my statement is relevant, especially when you consider they may have played better before then had Wang been healthy.

2008-07-27 20:06:38
283.   Eirias
Dan "Not the Answer" Giese.
2008-07-27 20:06:44
284.   williamnyy23
275 Perfectly said...I only brought it up because there was so much focus on Meacham, whom as you mentioned, I hold responsible for Wang's injury.
2008-07-27 20:07:29
285.   Just fair
280 So nice, you had to post twice. : )
2008-07-27 20:07:59
286.   Max
277 Agreed, especially against Youkilis. That whole at bat had first and third written all over it.
2008-07-27 20:08:09
287.   Jeb
282 But as Just Fair said, Your fallling prey to one of Michael Kay's favorites. The fallacy of the pre-determined outcome. If Wang stops at third maybe he hurts his shoulder later or maybe the Yanks don't band together after the ASB and play well.
2008-07-27 20:08:25
288.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
277 you have just altered my perception of the universe..has EVERY C-list celeb in the US made a reality show?? i mean, Willis vs. Vanilla Ice in a boxing match...what happened to tv in the US since I left?? funny and frightening in equal measure..
2008-07-27 20:09:00
289.   OldYanksFan
I think for various reasons, most people would pick the Sox over TB for the division. Both teams have poor Away records. Of the remaining games, Boston has +7 at Home, while TB has +6 Away. We are +7 Away.

Of course, all of our games are important, but in terms of the WC, I believe we will be chasing TB.

2008-07-27 20:09:19
290.   Max
286 woops, I meant 276 re the two pitchouts.
2008-07-27 20:09:38
291.   Jeb
285 sorry, but I just love Dana Plato and miss her. Why doesn't John Miller talk about how inspirational that she made that movie as a tribute to her TV show?
2008-07-27 20:10:04
292.   williamnyy23
287 Or, maybe the Yankees start playing better much earlier, and they'd have a 5 game lead. Pre-determing outcomes aside, I'd still really love to have Wang pitching this game tonight.
2008-07-27 20:11:18
293.   tommyl
288 Or maybe he and Hughes come back in September and pitch lights out down the stretch and into the postseason. Who knows? Wang's injury was a freak thing, I don't see how you can plan around that.
2008-07-27 20:12:02
294.   tommyl
292 No argument there, Wang >>>>>> Ponson. Actually, I'm pretty sure they aren't even part of the same Hilbert Space.
2008-07-27 20:12:06
295.   williamnyy23
289 I agree. The Red Sox really have a much easier schedule, and those 10 games the Yankees have against the Angels are scary (esp. wtith Rasner and Ponson schedule to face them this week). Tampa, meanwhile, has a much more difficult schedule at a time when their confidence might be slipping. The Rays losing two to the Royals might mean more to the Yankees playoff chances than taking two from Boston.
2008-07-27 20:12:40
296.   Just fair
I fully agree that Wang would have greatly increased our chances of playing in October. As of right now, even without him, the outlook is not too shabby. But I also remember him not meeting expectations last postseason. : (
2008-07-27 20:12:51
297.   Jeb
283 Dan Giese may NOT be the answer, unless of course the question is, "what Yankees reliever has only pitched 2 innings since July 13 and hasn't been allowed to stay sharp because we just had to pitch Hawkins?".
2008-07-27 20:12:57
298.   monkeypants
So now that this game is pretty much out of hand, what are the odds that Youkilis gets buzzed in his next AB (I think he's gonna be due up in 8th?).
2008-07-27 20:13:13
299.   williamnyy23
293 Where I disagree is I don't think it was a freak thing. I think it was an easily avoidable event precipitated by a horrible decision.
2008-07-27 20:14:55
300.   williamnyy23
298 It's not worth the temper tantrum. Youkilis seems to like the attention, so like a spoiled child, it's probably better to just leave him alone.
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2008-07-27 20:16:07
301.   williamnyy23
John Lester threw around 150 pro innings last year. He is now at around 140. I wonder if he has an innings limit?
2008-07-27 20:16:20
302.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
300 perfect description

any news on Manny being traded?

2008-07-27 20:16:39
303.   Just fair
298 I'm more interested to see what Papelbon does if he pitches the 9th. He does need some work.
2008-07-27 20:16:41
304.   monkeypants
295 "The Rays losing two to the Royals might mean more to the Yankees playoff chances than taking two from Boston."

I'm not sure that makes sense mathematically.
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I know it's probably perception over reality, but do the Yankees always lose on Sunday Night Baseball?

2008-07-27 20:18:03
305.   Jeb
299 "I don't think it was a freak thing"

William, chief, I usually agree with you on most things, but how many Lis Franc injuries have been caused since inter-league started because an AL pitcher was running the bases? I think that the answer is 1 and the person was Wang.

I believe it was a freak injury. AND IIRC, it was a 1-0 or 2-0 game at the time and it was still a little in doubt. Really he should have been able to walk home almost. I just don't think you can account for those kinds of injuries.

All that being said, I agree with Hank. It's time for the DH in both leagues.

2008-07-27 20:18:04
306.   Jeb
299 "I don't think it was a freak thing"

William, chief, I usually agree with you on most things, but how many Lis Franc injuries have been caused since inter-league started because an AL pitcher was running the bases? I think that the answer is 1 and the person was Wang.

I believe it was a freak injury. AND IIRC, it was a 1-0 or 2-0 game at the time and it was still a little in doubt. Really he should have been able to walk home almost. I just don't think you can account for those kinds of injuries.

All that being said, I agree with Hank. It's time for the DH in both leagues.

2008-07-27 20:19:05
307.   Just fair
Jeb, beware of them bad girls.
http://tinyurl.com/5k3cfj
2008-07-27 20:19:10
308.   monkeypants
299 It was not a frwak thing based on the many, many injuries suffered by other pitchers running the bases in interleague play? In NL games? In the postseason? In the All Star game?

In any case, you set up a sort of false dichotomy: just because something can be easily prevented does not necessarily make it not a freak occurrence.

2008-07-27 20:19:29
309.   williamnyy23
304 Why not? If the Sox tear through an easy schedule, they could finish several games ahead, making the Yankees net gain here irrelevant. If the Yankees edge out the Rays, however, those two losses to the Royals would come into play.

Math aside, my point was that if the Rays can't win a series against the Royals, then maybe they wont stick around in the race after all?

2008-07-27 20:19:54
310.   Max
298 Not worth it. Besides, if any further retaliation is to occur, let's actually hit someone to make their tantrum worthwhile. The hysterics over "buzzing" players is just over the top.
2008-07-27 20:21:58
311.   Just fair
Some people like the dead horse description. I'm more of a "hollering into a well" kind of guy.
2008-07-27 20:22:04
312.   weeping for brunnhilde
Did that fuckhead just say that Goose didn't need the "heavy metal rock music to enter as a closer...a blazing fastball was all he needed."?

Did he just say that?

2008-07-27 20:22:44
313.   williamnyy23
305 Sending your starter home into a possible play at the plate carries enough risk for me that I would simply never do it. The rareness of the injury is irrelevant. Meacham sent Wang into a vulnerable position and the Yankees paid the price.

Also, I believe it was already 4-0 and Wang was the 5th, which against the Astros is a blowout.

2008-07-27 20:23:26
314.   nick
312 couldn't Goose come down with some non-fatal ailment whereby his vocal cords were deformed to the extent that for the rest of his life he could not produce articulate speech?
2008-07-27 20:23:31
315.   JL25and3
312 Before Gossage, Sparky Lyle used to enter to "Pomp and Circumstance." So much for the good ol' days.
2008-07-27 20:25:06
316.   monkeypants
309 At various points during this season various posters have decried how certain losses are "worse" because they came on the same day that the Rays and/or Sox won. Similarly, you made the (admittedly) off-hand comment that the Rays losses the last two nights are more important than the YAnkees' wins tonight.

None of this makes any sense. The Yankees will make the playoffs if the win more games than the other teams in the division, or if they have the most wins of any team that does not win a division.

It does not matter against whom the wins come or against whom the competitors' losses come (though head-to-head games of course do "double duty"). The Rays loss today is neither more valuable or not than any other loss. And so on.

Now, the fact that the Rays seem to be slipping badly of late, and have lost to some poor teams may be indicative--as you say--that they will fade in the long run.

2008-07-27 20:26:06
317.   williamnyy23
Let's see...Ellsbury has broken out of his slump because of:

1) The bright lights of ESPN
2) Facing Ponson and Giese

2008-07-27 20:26:12
318.   Jeb
301 That's a damn fine point, although you're not counting his 9 innings in the postseason. Here's where he stands each year

2006 128
2007 162 (includde post-season)
2008 139 (which includes 7 innings tonight)

It appears to me that if they have him on roughly a 30 inning per year progression, that he's got about 53 innings left in his arm for 2008. Assuming 6 innings per start, he's got 8 starts left in his arm this season. (of course, if he keeps pitching 7 innings per start, it may be more like 7 starts).

So, it seems like Lester would either have to miss some starts in August or September or he's going to exceed the 30 inning progression, which I have to ASSUME the Sox follow. Or, maybe they could make an appointment with Dr. Andrews.

2008-07-27 20:26:36
319.   Just fair
Come on, Sexon. Grab Jacob and give him a good upside down shake. Just so I can go to bed with a smile.
2008-07-27 20:27:14
320.   Jeb
307 Yeah, she was naughty wasn't she. She had kind of an "elizabeth shue" thing going on.
2008-07-27 20:28:43
321.   monkeypants
310 I'm not saying it's worth it. I'm just wondering if someone is going to get plunked or buzzed in retaliation for A-Rod yesterday, which was in retaliation for Youks the day before, and so on...
2008-07-27 20:29:29
322.   Jeb
315 Pomp and Circumstance? Isn't that what Mike Rotunda and Rick Steiner (the NWA's Varsity Club) used before their matches?
2008-07-27 20:30:07
323.   williamnyy23
316 I don't understand what your point is? Mine has nothing to do with whom the Yankees have beaten. I didn't say the Rays losing was more important than the Yankees winning. I said that it looks like the Rays and Yankees will be competing for the WC, and therefore what the Rays did not only cost them in the standing, but could also be a harbinger of things to come. Therefore, it might mean more to the Yankees chances than taking 2 of 3 in Fenway.
2008-07-27 20:31:22
324.   Jeb
Could it be that the last 8 days of happy fun time feelings are ending here at the banter?
2008-07-27 20:32:25
325.   monkeypants
323 But that IS the point. The Rays losing cannot be more important than the Yankees winning. The Yankees trail the Rays--both have to occur (the Yankees win and the Rays lose) for the Yankees to overcome them.

If the season ends and the Yankees lead the Rays by one game for the WC, the Rays two loses against the Royals will not be more important than the Yankees two wins against the Red Sox.

2008-07-27 20:33:15
326.   Just fair
It's getting x-hausting waiting for Xavier to get his first Yankee hit.
2008-07-27 20:33:27
327.   Shaun P
Giambi pinch hits for Sexson, right? Right?
2008-07-27 20:34:26
328.   monkeypants
326 Funny...well, sort of. : )
2008-07-27 20:35:13
329.   Jeb
I'm sort of lost in this Rays debate. I think it makes reasonable sense that if we are going to lose then AT least the Rays lost, so we stay 3 games back. Would it somehow be better for us to lose and have the Rays win?

We're not going to win every game. When we do lose, I think it's nice if our competitors lose too.

2008-07-27 20:36:08
330.   Jeb
Goody! We get to face asshole next inning.
2008-07-27 20:36:09
331.   Just fair
Lester cooled off Cano, but the Sunday Night Baseball's bright lights got Ellsbury going. Fascinating.
2008-07-27 20:36:15
332.   williamnyy23
325 I am not sure how I state 323 more clearly, but I'll try it again:

I didn't say the Rays losing was more important than the Yankees winning. I said the Rays losing (and ONLY the Rays losing) could not only impact the standing but also be a sign of a swoon. If that still implies that I think the Rays two losses literally count more, I'll just plead guilty for using bad math.

2008-07-27 20:38:39
333.   Just fair
328 That's x-tremely kind of you. I'll stop now. Ha.
2008-07-27 20:40:17
334.   monkeypants
329 Of course it always better for your closest competitors to lose. But in the end, it is silly to worry about such things on a day-to-day basis. It doesn't matter what goes on today in and of itself--what matters is where everyone stands at the end of the season.

So, yes, if the Yankees lose today it's nice if the Rays the lose. But if they win, it does not make the Yankees loss 'worse'. Because over 162 game season, you're going to gain a game or two or lose a game or two all the time. What matter's is at the end of 162 games, your team has won more games. It doesn't matter on what days your wins or their losses come.

2008-07-27 20:42:38
335.   Just fair
Geise's 4 innings were much better than Ponson's. It was nice of Sir Syd to tire them out. Geise did a commendable job in any event.
2008-07-27 20:43:47
336.   monkeypants
332 OK, I misunderstood when you wrote "The Rays losing two to the Royals might mean more to the Yankees playoff chances than taking two from Boston" 295 as meaning that the Rays losing two games was more important than the Yankees winning two games.
2008-07-27 20:45:51
337.   monkeypants
335 Yep. I guess you can't win them all, and at least tonight's silliness only burned two pitchers. Let's hope the Good Yankees return to action tomorrow.
2008-07-27 20:45:56
338.   Jeb
324 But as the schedule diminishes, and you're behind, don't the games become more and more important? I don't mean that if you win you get credit for 2 wins. What I mean is that if you lose 5 in a row in April you have 5 months to make up for it. If you lose 5 in a row in August, you're time is short.

Put another way, with every win and every loss, our final projection becomes more and more accurate until the games end. I just think our games have become particularly more important now.

And I do understand that if we could turn around what I call the "UGLY 8" losses (the games we should have won already, but lost), then this game wouldn't be that important b/c we'd have a 5 game lead in first place.

2008-07-27 20:46:21
339.   Shaun P
This is horrible. How is Jason "I HR every time I face Timlin" Giambi NOT hitting here? Aye-aye-aye.
2008-07-27 20:47:59
340.   Jeb
340 perhaps Girardi has decided that giving him a full night off is more important in a 9-2 game with no one on base. And if we rally, he's our best PH.
2008-07-27 20:48:42
341.   monkeypants
WTF is Timlin doing? Ferchristssake, you have a seven run lead...throw the damn ball.
2008-07-27 20:50:26
342.   Jeb
Nice to see Fran Healy get an AB.
2008-07-27 20:52:59
343.   OldYanksFan
I hate waiting all day for a game that turns out like this one.
2008-07-27 20:55:09
344.   williamnyy23
343 But I think we all expected the outcome. If not for leaving the bases loaded, this would be a pain-free loss.
2008-07-27 20:55:13
345.   monkeypants
338 I reject the premise that five games in April are less important than five games in August. That you have "more time to make them up" is seductive, but flawed.

Let's say you have a big division lead in August, and then drop five games in a row. You have have less time to recover those five games, but you have a big lead accumulated over the earlier part of the season so you feel the five lesses less acutely.

the only reason the five game losing streak in August seems to hurt the mediocre team more is because they have already wasted the early part of the season by not winning enough games.

But no matter how you slice it, what matters is how many wins you have in October, whether you lost five in a row in April, August, or September--those are still five losses.

the thinking that loses in (and therefore, by extension wins) are less important in the early part of the year frustrates the hell out of me.

2008-07-27 20:55:57
346.   monkeypants
344 So true.
2008-07-27 20:57:50
347.   Shaun P
Given the game didn't start until 9, I'm kinda of shocked that its ended before midnight.

Then again, quick games vs LHP has almost been the Yanks' modus operandi this year.

In any case, here's to Jim Dean, who would have complained long and loud about Ponson. Good night, all.

2008-07-27 20:58:29
348.   williamnyy23
345 Literally, yes, but psychologically, maybe not. If a team loses 5 straight in April, it might be much easier to shake it off and resume playing well. If a similar streak happens late in the pennant race, however, there could be more pressure to rebound, leading to pressing and all other bad habits that make winning more difficult.
2008-07-27 21:00:28
349.   monkeypants
I have to admit to being in complete agreement with Pete Abe:

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UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: You could see this Ponson performance coming down the Massachusetts Turnpike like a speeding truck.

Here's what you do: Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving.

UPDATE, 10:44 p.m.: Here is what Ponson has done in his last eight starts:

42.2 innings, 67 hits, 29 ER, 18 walks, 6 HR. That's a 6.12 ERA. The Yankees can't keep running him out there every five days. You can get away with Rasner or Ponson, not both. Keep Rasner, DFA Ponson, trade for Washburn, keep Kennedy ready.
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Replace "Washburn" with just about any name not "Kei Igawa", and the point still holds.

2008-07-27 21:03:38
350.   monkeypants
348 Hmmm...psychological angle...maybe.
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2008-07-27 22:42:00
351.   Raf
322 The Varsity Club used "Mr Touchdown USA," Randy Savage used "Pomp & Circumstance"

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