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2008-06-24 15:22
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Due to a quirk in our schedule, Cliff isn't available to present his usual series preview tonight (he'll miss the Subway Serious too, but will be back for the Rangers). I'm not going to even front and try to do what he does so well. But I can tell you that I'm really looking forward to watching this series, and not only because the Yankees should be able to handle the Pirates. No, it's more because PNC ballpark is one of the most breath-taking Stadiums in the country. At least it is on TV. Which means it'll be three times dope on HD-TV.

The cityscape beyond the center field wall is a tremendous sight. I've never been but a few years ago they held some kind of throwback night where they turned off the electric scoreboard and the booming soundtrack. They only effects that night came from the organist. I can't recall wanting to be at a non-Yankee game more in recent years. Another time, during Rickey Henderson's final year with the Mets, the legend was thrown out attempting to steal second base. As he trotted off the field, the organist played "The Old Gray Mare." Now, that's old-timey style.

So, instead of our regular preview, let me direct you over to our good pal Pete Abe, who has the starting line-ups, pitching match-ups as well as a couple of roster moves (we have a new face in left tonight).

Ain't nuthin else much to say 'cept the obvious:

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

Comments (337)
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2008-06-24 15:50:50
1.   Shaun P
Our old pal Stinky Minky in RF? (For those wondering, Xavier Nady is out with a bruised shoulder, but might be back tomorrow.) I'm surprised Doumit isn't playing RF, because he just had a minor concussion (or concussion-like symptoms, I forget which). You'd think he'd be "safer" in RF than behind the plate.
2008-06-24 15:52:19
2.   Shaun P
BTW Alex, thanks for the excellent preview. The story about Rickey and the PNC Park organist is hilarious.
2008-06-24 15:57:17
3.   Chyll Will
Best believe you'll receive no dividends... I just knew when you linked that line you were referring to this particular video, which was one of my favorites of that time. I wish that group went somewhere, though EST did well for himself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Times_Dope

Them and Boogiemonsters ("Welcome to the block/of the mighty juggernaughts!" My theme track for the 1998 Yankees). Saw them when they won 1st Place at the Hip Hop Convention New Jacks competition at Howard U....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogiemonsters

2008-06-24 16:03:52
4.   Just fair
I know many of you are from the NYC, but I would just like to say I spent my college years in Pittsburgh. Aside from the horrific local accent, I absolutely loved living there. You can get some courageous (stupid) thoughts walking over one of those bridges at 2:30 in the am after some boozing. : )
2008-06-24 16:05:16
5.   Chyll Will
1 Wouldn't Xavier Nady be a good pickup for us at some point? He could spell the corners every other day and he's a solid right-handed bat. I was surprised when Omar caved and traded him when Duaner Sanchez got hurt; thought that was a panic move on their part, and he's been solid for the Pirates since he's been there. Little did we know that it would be the first of many head-scratchers for Omar at the time... I know the Pirates would probably fight to keep him, what do you think it would take?
2008-06-24 16:09:26
6.   Alex Belth
Jetes, that was decidedly NOT Awesome.
2008-06-24 16:10:28
7.   Alex Belth
Will, that 3 Times Dope tune is still great, right?
2008-06-24 16:10:48
8.   Shaun P
5 I think the Pirates will try to move him. He's arb-eligible again next year, and by the time the Pirates are ready to really compete, Nady's going to be well past his prime.

Without looking at any numbers to back this up, my guess is that Nady could give the Yanks 80% of the production they would get out of Abreu next year for a fraction of the cost. The only problem is that Nady has never, not once ever, had more than 50 ABs in a season. And he'll be 30 next year, so he's a stop gap at best.

Perhaps the Pirates would take a grade B pitching prospect, say, Marquez?

2008-06-24 16:12:23
9.   Shaun P
5 The even more awesome get would be Ryan Doumit - but that will never happen now, sadly. Pittsburgh's FO knows what it has now.
2008-06-24 16:13:10
10.   Alex Belth
Dangit.
2008-06-24 16:13:18
11.   Chyll Will
7 One of my Hip-Hop hummables, man... >;)
2008-06-24 16:15:04
12.   Just fair
8 Are you sure he's never had more than 50 ab's in a season? : )
2008-06-24 16:17:32
13.   Chyll Will
12 (humming the chorus to Funky Dividends...>;)
2008-06-24 16:18:24
14.   Alex Belth
Grumble, grumble, grumble.
2008-06-24 16:19:28
15.   Alex Belth
Swell, the Bad News Bears go to PNC.
2008-06-24 16:21:46
16.   Just fair
Those 1st game jitters will getchya every time. I guess he's just going to have to hit a homer.
2008-06-24 16:22:23
17.   williamnyy23
15 My thoughts exactly...Jeter inexplicably swings at a 2-0 pitch and torpedoes a certain rally and then Posada, Christian and Cano make misplays...all before the end of the first inning.
2008-06-24 16:23:46
18.   Alex Belth
Aw, you've got to be kidding, jeez.
2008-06-24 16:24:31
19.   Alex Belth
Minky! He plays the OF and third this year? Whoa.
2008-06-24 16:24:40
20.   Yankees Brasil
Rasner is running out of luck.
2008-06-24 16:25:29
21.   Chyll Will
I wish i could watch the game with you guys, but my roommate is holding the good TV hostage, watching "The (fricken) View" off the DVR >:'
2008-06-24 16:27:12
22.   ms october
ah doug out to save the yanks.

if i am going to have to see dave wannstedt and his salmon shirt all night - i would request that be balanced out with some winning yankee baseball

2008-06-24 16:27:13
23.   Just fair
And Toronto puts up a 6 spot on Arroyo and the Reds in 1st inning. Yikes.
2008-06-24 16:28:39
24.   Chyll Will
23 I guess he really doesn't wanna be a Yankee >;)
2008-06-24 16:29:51
25.   Alex Belth
Posada hit that hard. Just right at the ss.
2008-06-24 16:30:30
26.   Alex Belth
Hey, the Pirates boot one. Cano gets a gift.
2008-06-24 16:32:21
27.   ms october
oh man the pirates announcers are having a tough time saying justin christian
2008-06-24 16:32:37
28.   Chyll Will
26 Pirate booty, no kiddin'!
2008-06-24 16:32:54
29.   Alex Belth
Christian anxious there, ahead in the count, swung at a fastball up in the zone.

This pitcher is a chump, nibbler.

2008-06-24 16:33:53
30.   Just fair
28 Justin's debut to this point has been booty.
2008-06-24 16:34:52
31.   williamnyy23
I really hope we aren't adding Gorzelanny to the list of mediocre pitchers who have shut down the Yankee offense. After an inning and a half, the Yankees look lifeless. Hopefully it's not too late by the time they wakeup.
2008-06-24 16:38:31
32.   Just fair
Anyone seen Striking Distance? A forgettable movie starring Bruce Willis and Sarah Jessica Parker playing detectives on the rivers of Pittsburgh.
2008-06-24 16:39:33
33.   Chyll Will
32 I don't recall...
2008-06-24 16:39:34
34.   cult of basebaal
man, gorzelanny and shelley ought to have an ugly-off ... eek!
2008-06-24 16:40:32
35.   Alex Belth
The second inning for Rasner was an improvement.
2008-06-24 16:41:49
36.   williamnyy23
34 Speaking of Shelley, he can't be pleased to be passed over when the Yankees needed to recall a RH outfielder.
2008-06-24 16:42:22
37.   Chyll Will
34 (Could you see them facing off like in the Air-Heads candy commercials?)
2008-06-24 16:43:10
38.   williamnyy23
I really wish Girardi would demand Melky and Jeter take a strike.
2008-06-24 16:43:49
39.   cult of basebaal
36 has it been 10 days? his first game back at SWB was the 15th.
2008-06-24 16:44:25
40.   williamnyy23
39 Good point...I am not sure, but it seems so long ago.
2008-06-24 16:44:32
41.   Just fair
So, William, should Rasner be instructed to score on a hit to the wall.
2008-06-24 16:44:45
42.   Alex Belth
Hey Derek, be a-smart now...c'mon, brother.
2008-06-24 16:45:54
43.   SF Yanks
I swear if I see someone swing before taking a strike....
2008-06-24 16:45:59
45.   williamnyy23
41 He should be told to run the bases with caution and should only be sent home on a ball in which there is absolutely no chance of a play at the plate.
2008-06-24 16:46:19
46.   cult of basebaal
39 i guess that's 10. still, he's just getting re-tracked and playing every day and i think he'd rather get back in a groove while playing every day down in SWB than go back to riding pine and not getting to play in NY. At least for now.
2008-06-24 16:46:28
47.   williamnyy23
43 Maybe even 2 strikes.
2008-06-24 16:47:08
48.   Alex Belth
Gosh, Jetes. Man, that hesitation by the pitcher saved Jeter from his second straight DP.
2008-06-24 16:47:38
49.   williamnyy23
Jeter is becoming a serious liability. That's two awful ABs in key spots.
2008-06-24 16:47:45
50.   cult of basebaal
wow. great ab, captain. christ.
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2008-06-24 16:47:50
51.   Yankees Brasil
Jeter in desperate need of some time (more than a day) off.
2008-06-24 16:48:01
52.   Alex Belth
Need to come away with at least one run here.
2008-06-24 16:48:29
53.   Alex Belth
Atrocious.
2008-06-24 16:48:32
54.   SF Yanks
Amazing.
2008-06-24 16:49:03
55.   williamnyy23
That inning was atrocious. Absolutely disgusting.
2008-06-24 16:49:15
56.   pistolpete
And here I was worried about Rasner running home.
2008-06-24 16:49:15
57.   Alex Belth
Simply atrocious.
2008-06-24 16:49:30
58.   Just fair
Bollocks!
2008-06-24 16:49:47
59.   cult of basebaal
thanks derek!
thanks bobby!
2008-06-24 16:51:27
60.   monkeypants
56 That's just good coaching by Jeter and Abreu. Once Rasner got on base there was danger of him getting hurt running the bases. Melky let every down and walked, but the veterans both made professional attempts to GiDP and save Rasner from himself.
2008-06-24 16:51:31
61.   Alex Belth
Stargell is one of those guys I would have liked to meet and just hang with for a few minutes.
2008-06-24 16:51:32
62.   williamnyy23
Rasner had a better AB than Jeter and Abreu. Jeter has been pretty bad for a while now, but now Abreu has really started to slump. Not sure if it makes sense to have make a lineup in which the first three batters are all in a funk. At least Melky actually looked like he had an approach.
2008-06-24 16:52:45
63.   Alex Belth
62, would you try to move A Rod up to 3 and Abreu down to 5?
2008-06-24 16:52:47
64.   Eirias
Just as Gorzelanny develops ANKIEL'S ALL-SEEING TOWER OF CONTROL ISSUE OBLIVION, we help him out.
2008-06-24 16:52:59
65.   cult of basebaal
62 bobby's been lost since he banged that ball of blackburn in Minny ... i wonder if his approach changed (even unconsciously) and he's more hesitant to go away or back up the middle
2008-06-24 16:53:04
66.   pistolpete
Jeter at least looked halfway patient — Abreu was determined to swing early and often.

Hey guys, newsflash – MVP on deck...

2008-06-24 16:53:41
67.   dianagramr
Could be worse .... you could be the Mets, having lost 5-2 to the worst team in the Majors last night on a GS by their pitcher, now down 5-0 in the 3rd inning tonight.
2008-06-24 16:55:05
68.   Alex Belth
This has the makings of a long, painful evening.
2008-06-24 16:55:32
69.   Eirias
67 The Mets seem determined to prevent Santana from earning the FB points I so rightly deserve.
2008-06-24 16:55:42
70.   Just fair
61 I'm not smart enough to find the info. but the list of guys with a game 7 homer has got to be interesting to look at.
Oh, and Dear Yankees,
The Pirates are not really that good.
signed,
Annoyed
2008-06-24 16:56:36
71.   williamnyy23
63 At least that...it's hard to say now with the injuries to Matsui and Damon, but you cna't have three guys struggling atop the lineup.

It's striking midnight on Rasner.

2008-06-24 16:57:18
72.   nick
the Jeter decline phase is gonna be long and painful, no?
2008-06-24 16:58:03
73.   monkeypants
70 Any game seven HR, or a walk-off HR? I thought that Maz was the only one to hit a WOHR in game 7. Joe Carter hit one in game 6.
2008-06-24 16:58:50
74.   williamnyy23
72 It's not even about his decline phase...it's about a complete abandonment of a patient approach. Singleton rightly criticized Jeter for even thinking about swinging on the 2-0 in the first inning. He has become as much of a hacker as Cano.
2008-06-24 16:59:02
75.   pistolpete
How's Pittsburgh's pen? Any reason to hold out hope?
2008-06-24 16:59:51
76.   nick
71 all we realistically can expect from Raz is, say, an adjusted ERA of 95 at season's end--does he look terrible? he's got a few K's...
2008-06-24 16:59:53
77.   monkeypants
63 71 Abreu is just not a #3 hitter, and has not ben for most of his time with the team. But he is fixated on batting in that spot and the two managers have thus far indulged him.
2008-06-24 17:00:54
78.   williamnyy23
75 It can't be worse than Gorzelanny. He has wanted to walk just about every batter, but the Yankees don't seem interested (said as Arod pops up the first pitch).
2008-06-24 17:01:03
79.   Alex Belth
Alex just missed that one. For Pete's sake.
2008-06-24 17:01:55
80.   williamnyy23
76 That's fair, but he has been much better than that, so in a sense, he has been a Cinderella.
2008-06-24 17:02:04
81.   dianagramr
Pitching line of the night:

B. Arroyo (Reds) vs. Toronto:
1 inning (plus 4 batters), 11H, 10R, 10ER, 1K, 1BB, 3HR

Toronto, with 14 hits already, leads 11-1 going into top of 3rd.

2008-06-24 17:02:14
82.   Alex Belth
Whatever. Giambi hits a rocket. Minky happy birthday catch.
2008-06-24 17:02:50
83.   Eirias
81 That should nicely eliminate him as a trade candidate.
2008-06-24 17:03:13
84.   Eirias
81 Although one could buy quite low, now.
2008-06-24 17:03:22
85.   nick
72 well, yeah, but couldn't he be making adjustments to his approach based on an initial loss of bat speed? finding it harder to take everything to right the way he's done in the past? that's my worry...
2008-06-24 17:05:06
86.   williamnyy23
85 I definitely think that's the case, btu I'd like to think Jeter is at least smart enough to take a strike against someone who can't find the plate. This season, Jeter hasn't even showed that level of discipline.
2008-06-24 17:05:08
87.   mehmattski
Hey guys, just checking in now... I see that the dicussion of Melky v Gardner was moot, as the cup of coffee goes to Christian. I am somewhat well-versed in Yankee prospects, however I don't know much of anything about him. Why Christian? What does he have to offer, besides someone with legs capable of fielding (unlike Damon and Matsui)?
2008-06-24 17:05:56
88.   monkeypants
74 I wonder about Jeter-the-hacktastic thesis. His career #P/PA 3.75. This season it's 3.72, actually (barely) than last year.

I think that he is seeing as many pitches, he's just not driving very many of them.

2008-06-24 17:06:26
89.   ny2ca2dc
If I'm trading for a vet Reds pitcher, it's Harang or nothin
2008-06-24 17:06:30
90.   williamnyy23
Posada deserves credit for taking off there...they paid absolutely no attention to him.
2008-06-24 17:06:30
91.   mehmattski
Dammit Robby you're supposed to take Walks! How will you ever improve if you don't take walks! ;-)
2008-06-24 17:06:59
92.   Alex Belth
Nice. C'mon Sister Christian.
2008-06-24 17:07:35
93.   cult of basebaal
87 he's right handed ... 28, so if he plays sparingly, it probably won't derail any potential growth
2008-06-24 17:07:54
94.   monkeypants
86 See 88 .
2008-06-24 17:07:59
95.   ny2ca2dc
87 He hits right handed. That's it. And the Pirates are trotting out 3 straight lefties.
2008-06-24 17:08:29
96.   cult of basebaal
man, where was the 2nd ball there? gameday made it seem like it was right down the middle.
2008-06-24 17:08:42
97.   Alex Belth
Hey, he popped his cherry. Whatta ya say?
2008-06-24 17:09:24
98.   williamnyy23
88 That's very surprising...I wonder if there is a split that would reveal something more? We know he isn't walking as much, so where are those pitches coming from? Maybe he is simply making outs across all counts, which is actually a worse sign.
2008-06-24 17:09:41
99.   cult of basebaal
c'mon melky, take another walk!
2008-06-24 17:10:01
100.   cult of basebaal
gar ... forgot about the pitcher's spot ... same advice holds, though!
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2008-06-24 17:10:31
101.   monkeypants
Walk, Daryl, don't run to first!!
2008-06-24 17:10:48
102.   Alex Belth
I decree: Yanks ain't allowed to lose to a chump like this.
2008-06-24 17:11:04
103.   ny2ca2dc
97 Whatdayaknow, Robinson Cano!
2008-06-24 17:11:29
104.   OldYanksFan
Evening. Nice to see we are waking up. Shelly Duncanstein has got to be upset.
2008-06-24 17:11:31
105.   mehmattski
He walked. The pitcher. Twice.

Wow.

Then, the Melkman almost delivers.

2008-06-24 17:11:36
106.   cult of basebaal
alright melky, see 99 !
2008-06-24 17:11:57
107.   Eirias
Peter Abraham notes on his site that Giambi has given himself a new nickname, one that Peter cannot repeat due to his love of gainful employment. Anyone know (or care to guess) what it is?
2008-06-24 17:12:10
108.   Just fair
You gotta be a bit of head case to walk the opposing pitcher twice. Just missed, Melk.
2008-06-24 17:12:15
109.   ny2ca2dc
What's worse, giving up a grand salami to the opposing pitcher, or walking the same one twice? (OK, the salami, but still)
2008-06-24 17:12:47
110.   mehmattski
And that, folks, is why you don't put your worst hitter on the top of the lineup.
2008-06-24 17:12:47
111.   williamnyy23
102 Then they have to stop playing like chumps.
2008-06-24 17:13:37
112.   Alex Belth
Beltran and Jerry Manual just expressed how I feel right at this moment. Horsesh**
2008-06-24 17:14:07
113.   cult of basebaal
what happened with melky? i assume he hit the 1st pitch foul down the line?
2008-06-24 17:14:49
114.   nick
he's walked our pitcher twice and gone unpunished--infuriating, just fucking infuriating!
2008-06-24 17:15:01
115.   ny2ca2dc
113 It was high, it was far, it just hooked foul. Almost got a granny.
2008-06-24 17:15:16
116.   ny2ca2dc
114 It'll come. Just watch.
2008-06-24 17:15:42
117.   ms october
the pirates announcers are pretty high on the homer scale - they are openly cheering for their shitbum pitcher and they yelled for melky's hit to go foul
2008-06-24 17:16:00
118.   williamnyy23
113 Pulled it into the seats...foul by about 10 feet.
2008-06-24 17:16:50
119.   Eirias
116 I agree, but he's not long for this game based upon pitch-count. We need to get him while he is, metaphorically, hot.
2008-06-24 17:16:56
120.   OldYanksFan
Melky batting .218/.636 OPS against LHP. Sorta makes Gardner being a LHB 'mute', doesn't it?
2008-06-24 17:18:36
121.   monkeypants
98 Line drive rate would be telling, but I don't know where to find that info for free. His GB/FB rate (2.70) is much higher than his career ave (2.25), but not the highest of his career.

Really, if you look at it, he's just not getting hits. If you rase his BA .030, then he has a .305 ave and about a .360 OBP. His SLG. would go up to around .410 (assuming that he's hitting all singles), and we're looking at a poor season, but not crippling.

2008-06-24 17:18:39
122.   williamnyy23
120 There is no logic to tonight's batting order.
2008-06-24 17:19:25
123.   nick
98 he's walking less; he's also striking out much less often. Quick BB-ref math:

career K in 15.6% of PAs
this year, 11.4%

2008-06-24 17:19:29
124.   mehmattski
120 Well if the move was done because both our left fielders are out, it makes more sense to bring up a corner outfielder. Has Gardner ever played LF? I don't think that benching Melky was ever the intent here.
2008-06-24 17:20:46
125.   OldYanksFan
We need to start a petition to Girardi to sit Jeter. In the #2 hole, he is killing us. Now, I HOPE he bunts. I still think he's psychologically damaged by the ARod signing.
2008-06-24 17:20:52
126.   Alex Belth
It just keeps getting worse and worse.
2008-06-24 17:21:04
127.   monkeypants
Ah, my old 'mute' makes an appearance. I'm so glad to have brought such joy to so many!
2008-06-24 17:21:11
128.   OldYanksFan
I feel sick.
2008-06-24 17:21:14
129.   Chyll Will
Ooh, nice reverb, Singleton... spaced out by the Joey Bats' homer, apparently...
2008-06-24 17:21:46
130.   nick
fewer walks, fewer Ks, less power: all these things typically go together.
2008-06-24 17:21:52
131.   williamnyy23
Wow...the Yankees are getting schooled by the Pirates. This is a pretty pathetic performance. Rasner has been bad, but the offense should be matching what he gives up. Losing 3 of 4 to the Reds and Pirates detracts from the 7 game winning streak, and doesn't make it easy to catch Boston and Tampa.
2008-06-24 17:21:56
132.   cult of basebaal
124 i believe that he has seen time in LF this year (at the very least) with an eye on increasing his flexibility at the big league level ... don't know the number of games though
2008-06-24 17:22:13
133.   ny2ca2dc
Bloom's off this rose. Maybe it's Raz IPK will be trying to displace...

Raz has been all over the place - some sweet pitches (couple nice curves to Mink), then a bunch that are going who-knows-where.

2008-06-24 17:22:24
134.   monkeypants
125 I think he is physically damaged by having his hand bashed.
2008-06-24 17:23:02
135.   OldYanksFan
127 Sorry... but but you sort of set a Banter standard.
2008-06-24 17:23:06
136.   mehmattski
Clearly the evidence is that walking the pitcher is correlated with not giving up runs, while striking out the pitcher is correlated with giving up lots of runs. Gorzo knows what he's doing out there, folks.
2008-06-24 17:23:25
137.   Yankees Brasil
Rasner's magic is over. It seems the league has figured him out.
2008-06-24 17:23:27
138.   nick
both pitchers stink tonight, only one team is capitalizing: end of story.
2008-06-24 17:24:30
139.   nick
137 the National League?
2008-06-24 17:24:34
140.   Yankees Brasil
Jeter must be sad, no chance to hit into a DP now.
2008-06-24 17:24:41
141.   mehmattski
Performance note: Tonight, the part of Mattpat11 will be played by williamnyy23.
2008-06-24 17:25:31
142.   williamnyy23
141 What part are you playing?
2008-06-24 17:25:37
143.   ny2ca2dc
Still plenty of time for the bats to do some damage.

Not that ya can be sure they will, but with this many guys on base something has to happen if just by accident.

2008-06-24 17:25:55
144.   Chyll Will
I dunno, are the bad habits just plain stubbornness, undisclosed injuries or are these guys not as good as they (and we) want to think?
2008-06-24 17:25:59
145.   williamnyy23
Maybe Jeter will take a strike?
2008-06-24 17:26:54
146.   monkeypants
135 No need to apologize...it still makes me laugh!
2008-06-24 17:27:54
147.   williamnyy23
I am sorry, but down 4, 1-0 count, the pitcher can't throw strikes...what else do you need to know that you have to take a strike.

Jeter has not only been bad, but his approach has been stupid at best and selfish at worst. He has played a huge role in the Yankees trailing in this game. Girardi needs to seriously consider benching him for a few games.

2008-06-24 17:28:01
148.   mehmattski
142 Probably the same, the part where I preach patience at being disappointed before the game is even over (the Yankees did win on Sunday, after all the hand-wringing), patience since just because the Yankees' hits haven't come with men on doesn't mean they're flawed somehow (repeat: there's no such thing as clutch), patience that making up games in the standings doesn't matter until September (Just Win, Baby).
2008-06-24 17:29:30
149.   ny2ca2dc
144 It seems pretty clear that Damon, Matsui, ARod, and Giabi are carrying the team. Jeter, Cano, and Melky are killing us. Po's doing good, but had the long injury, and Abreu is taking lessons from Cano. 3 of the opening starters are on the DL. The third and fourth best relievers (Bruney, Alby) are out for the season, and the second best one is now a starter.

So that's a lot of shite to hide on a roster.

And today, 2 of the 4 hitters that are carrying the team are out. The mediocrity thru the league says ya can't give up on them, and they've played well, but i duno...

2008-06-24 17:29:45
150.   dianagramr
Jeter 2008 splits, including line drives, fly balls and grounders

http://tinyurl.com/662tyg

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2008-06-24 17:29:57
151.   Alex Belth
Alex has hit the last two balls a combined 2 miles in the air.
2008-06-24 17:30:00
152.   williamnyy23
148 I think that part was cut from the script.
2008-06-24 17:30:43
153.   Chyll Will
148 Well, you're not Harvey Keitel's Bad Lieutenant, that's for sure >;)
2008-06-24 17:31:45
154.   mehmattski
152 At least you have a better sense of humor...
2008-06-24 17:31:55
155.   OldYanksFan
By the way, as this game is hardly worth discussing, has anyone seen:
Zeitgeist, the Movie.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html
Honestly, I'm still scared by it.
2008-06-24 17:32:08
156.   monkeypants
147 Again, the statistics do not seem to bear out that his approach has been bad. I'm not watching the game, so I didn't see if he swung at a strike, but is it possible that you are angry at the result (out) instead of the approach? Would you have still complained had he smacked a double? When a batter takes a strike, Mattpat11 logs on and calls the his stupid for missing his pitch.
2008-06-24 17:32:17
157.   cult of basebaal
149 bruney's already throwing off a mound. might be back after the ASB, though probably a little later.
2008-06-24 17:32:51
158.   williamnyy23
149 The loss of Damon and Mastui is huge. The Yankees have 5 outs in the lineup, so you can't really be surprised by the poor showing. The bottom line all season is that when Giambi, Arod, Damon or Matsui have a big game, the Yankees offense produces. That's a lot of pressure to put on four guys, which tonight is down to two.
2008-06-24 17:33:10
159.   ny2ca2dc
147 I'm all for benching him, but I think the focus on his approach is a bit misguided - we've seen the numbers. Jeter has always hacked, he's just using the same approach with crappy results.
2008-06-24 17:34:13
160.   Mattpat11
I think Rasner may have turned into a pumpkin.
2008-06-24 17:34:26
161.   ny2ca2dc
158 Agreed - when you look at the lineup today:

Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Christian LF
Rasner RHP

That's 3 good hitters, ARod, Giambi, Po. The rest are literally scrubs, pitchers, or hitting like the former.

2008-06-24 17:34:55
162.   williamnyy23
156 But we don't need statistics to see that in this game, he has had a horrendous approach in at least 2 ABs. On average, he may be seeing a similar number of pitches, but I can recall way too many ABs in which he has completely abandoned any semblance of a patient approach.
2008-06-24 17:35:18
163.   Just fair
What do we have to do to get Adam LaRoche, this guy is AWESOME!!!. Cack!
2008-06-24 17:35:33
164.   mehmattski
PeteAbe reported that Aaron Small was in the clubhouse today, since he has a baseball clinic for inner city youths in Pittsburgh.

Clearly, Small stole back his mojo from Rasner. The wheels have come off.

Just put in LaTroy Hawkins for four innings, please.

2008-06-24 17:36:05
165.   Chyll Will
151 That's a lot of push-ups he'll have to do...

149 So, in a madman's effort to maximize profits across the board, he deliberately institutes a system that waters down the playing field, making the game quality less interesting, and course-correcting for incompetent front office management from various sectors of the land... whew! I got it, I'm gone.

This has gradually turned into a bad joke. A very bad joke.

2008-06-24 17:36:28
166.   williamnyy23
156 Yes...when you are down by 4 runs, even hitting a double doesn't justify swinging until you have a strike against a pitcher who stinks (this isn't Johan Santanna). The risk of making an out is not worth the extra basehit.
2008-06-24 17:36:34
167.   Eirias
153 Which they are remaking. With Nic Cage.
2008-06-24 17:37:40
168.   dianagramr
btw, Jeter's BA and SLG on line drives is at its lowest since 1997.
2008-06-24 17:37:47
169.   Yankees Brasil
Hopefully we will win the next 2. It'd be very painful to lose back-to-back series to the Reds and Pirates.
2008-06-24 17:37:48
170.   OldYanksFan
The Pirates are 3rd in the NL in RS, although tied for 10th in OPS. However, they are dead LAST in both ERA and BAA... thus, why we can't hit them.
2008-06-24 17:39:15
171.   williamnyy23
I don't know what's more distressing: getting destroyed in a game that you should win, or another poor outing by Rasner against a less than potent offense.

This part of the schedule was made for the Yankees to really make a charge at the top of the division, but they seem to be squandering it.

2008-06-24 17:39:17
172.   3rd gen yankee fan
This is a real pisser. What in the heck is going on? (rhetorical question, unless someone can explain where the offense went to)
2008-06-24 17:39:33
173.   Alex Belth
A drubbing
2008-06-24 17:41:09
174.   Chyll Will
167 Do I need to repeat myself 165 ? >;)
2008-06-24 17:41:34
175.   monkeypants
150 Thanks! By my quick calculation, his line drive rate this season is 17% of ball (not bunts) hit into play), while his career average is 27%.

So, given that his patience (#P/PA) is basically the same, but his walks and Ks are both down, I would conclude that his approach has not changed. Rather, he is cannot drive the ball this season; pitchers are challenging him more and he still making contact, but hitting ground balls instead of line drives.

Further, I would conclude that this is either injury or age related (I suspect the former), not because he is stupid or selfish or psychologically damaged because A-Rod has more friends.

2008-06-24 17:42:39
176.   Chyll Will
172 I believe rhetorical answers do exist...
2008-06-24 17:42:54
177.   dianagramr
175

the injury angle would jive with what Kevin Long was saying (I think Alex mentioned this in an earlier post)

2008-06-24 17:43:30
178.   SF Yanks
Sliver lining: Cano joining the offense.
2008-06-24 17:44:00
179.   dianagramr
Onbase Christian Soldier!
2008-06-24 17:44:18
180.   Alex Belth
C'MON. Comeback, C'MON comeback!
2008-06-24 17:44:19
181.   OldYanksFan
MP - When you take on Willie or Mattpatt, I have a strong urge for a 32 oz Coke, bag of popcorn and a box of Goobers.

But honestly, Jeter looks terrible. There are times you take pitches. Jeter knows this. His ABs are not smart. He looks like a different player. Even his baserunning has been off.

2008-06-24 17:44:35
182.   williamnyy23
175 That's all well and good, but for me, all the stats go out the window in this game. Gorzelanny has been so wild that even the opposing pitcher has walked twice. In his three ABs, Jeter has shown little patience. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but in the past, I don't remember Jeter being so agressive that he'd repeatedly get himself out against an inferior pitcher.
2008-06-24 17:44:44
183.   Just fair
This has all the making of season-turning, come from behind victory. Plus it's the night Cano finally turns it around.
Motoring.. What's your price for flight? For finding Mr. Right.
2008-06-24 17:45:00
184.   williamnyy23
Pinch hitting Jose Molina? Ouch.
2008-06-24 17:45:12
185.   mehmattski
Well, Mr. Christian just bought himself a second start. For all the talk about this lineup, it's actually the bottom three (Cano, Christian, and... Rasner?) who have been the most effective.

And then, the hilarious reality that Jose Molina is the best bat on the bench. Can either Matsui or Damon bat at all??? I mean, it will make more sense later in the game.

2008-06-24 17:45:18
186.   dianagramr
181

Jetes is pissed by A-Rod's contract, and is sulking?

(ok, its a stretch)

2008-06-24 17:45:42
187.   ny2ca2dc
Jose Molina: Feared bench bat.
2008-06-24 17:45:54
188.   Chyll Will
177 Jive talking? >;)

Ah, now they're teasing us. If we win this, I'm still gonna be mad. They're gonna have to get about ten more runs to overcome the stench of the first five innings.

2008-06-24 17:46:24
189.   monkeypants
162 As I said, I did not see the ABs game not televised), but if he swung at strikes I cannot complain about the approach or the lack of patience. Batting patience is not a dogma or a mechanism where the player automatically takes pitches. It means being selective and only swinging at hittable strikes.

By the way, we need statistics because they tend to counteract selective, anecdotal memory ("I can recall way too many...")

2008-06-24 17:46:35
190.   3rd gen yankee fan
Go triple-A guy!
2008-06-24 17:46:49
191.   williamnyy23
Molina not showing the patience that Rasner did! Rasner probably had a better chance to reach base.
2008-06-24 17:47:05
192.   mehmattski
Pah, Rasner could have gotten on base at least!
2008-06-24 17:48:02
193.   mehmattski
191 D'oh. A root beer for you, sir. In my defense, it took the extra 16 seconds for me to be sarcastic.
2008-06-24 17:48:30
194.   ny2ca2dc
182 I really think you're just giving him too much credit. Jeter always comes up swinging. For his career #P/PA I bet he has a higher than typical % of balls fouled off. That is, where Abreu gets a lot of pitches by taking, Jeter gets them by fouling pitches off. This year he's just doing a bad job of being Jeter.
2008-06-24 17:48:57
195.   williamnyy23
189 Batting patience isn't dogma, but then you run into a Gorzelanny and it becomes that. That's why observation can be more useful than statistics when evaluting a very small sample.
2008-06-24 17:49:31
196.   cult of basebaal
WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU SWINGING AT MELKY?!?!?
2008-06-24 17:49:59
197.   Eirias
How long has Trot Nixon played for the Mets? How did I not know that?
2008-06-24 17:50:22
198.   ny2ca2dc
That Melky AB is pretty symptomatic - in the stat sheets that will show up as a fly out - so we'll think "hey, at least he's not striking out", but that lunging at the ball bouncing in the grass BS is what's getting everyone out.
2008-06-24 17:50:36
199.   Chyll Will
189 But by that logic, if he's swinging at strikes, then his mechanics are way off and we're back to square one. Worse, he's either being desperate by changing his mechanics so drastically, or stubborn for not making proper adjustments. It's a lose-lose...
2008-06-24 17:51:17
200.   dianagramr
Mariners leading 9-0, still batting top of 6th.
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2008-06-24 17:51:46
201.   monkeypants
181 He indeed has looked terrible the few gams that I have actually seen. Lots of weak ground balls, especially to the pitcher. Anecdotally, I recall plenty of outs on good hitters counts, rarely with hard hit ball.

I can't comment on how "smart" his ABs look. I also can't comment on his base running, which was pretty bad at the beginning of the season, but since I don't recall anything one way or another. His SB rate is not bad (5 for 7), projects low for him.

2008-06-24 17:51:59
202.   williamnyy23
194 My recollection of Jeter is he always had a smart approach at the plate. Against a good pitcher, he might go up there hacking with the hope of getting a good pitch early in the count, but against a stinker like Gorzelanny, he'd rarely be aggressive and get himself out, especially when the game situation dictates patience.

I guess it doesn't really matter why Jeter has been so bad this season...what's more important is that he has been. At some point, Girardi can't just let him pile up outs so high up in the lineup.

2008-06-24 17:52:05
203.   OldYanksFan
175 ARod doesn't have more friends. But ARod is now the face of the Yankees. It is now his team. That WAS Jeter's title. Jeter was never a GREAT player, but the Yankees were histeam. No more.

If Jete's is still holding a grudge against ARod, considering this and the fanfare ARod will get over the next 10 years, I think it MIGHT be a real issue.

Having someone take your girlfriend away sucks. But taking NEW YORK?

These guys are human beings.

And if he's injured... SIT HIS ASS DOWN!

2008-06-24 17:52:11
204.   cult of basebaal
197 a week maybe? got him in a trade with d-backs.
2008-06-24 17:52:14
205.   ny2ca2dc
199 Or he's injured and unable to really drive the ball. Just healthy enough to put a weak hack on the ball.
2008-06-24 17:52:19
206.   Eirias
Who called for one order of LaTroy Hawkins? We were out of "four innings," but we still have some "until lit up" in stock.
2008-06-24 17:52:25
207.   Chyll Will
197 Don't feel bad, I don't think any of us have thought much of the Mutts lately >;)
2008-06-24 17:52:41
208.   Alex Belth
Misery loves company. Mets down 10-0.
2008-06-24 17:53:55
209.   Alex Belth
I don't agree about this being A Rod's team. In terms of him being the best player on the team, yes. But in terms of perception, in terms of the locker room, I think it's Jeter's squad until he retires.
2008-06-24 17:54:22
210.   ny2ca2dc
203 Of course Jeter was a great player, as recently as 2006 when he was second in AVE and was robbed of the MVP by Mourneau's RBI total. But he ain't that anymore, at least not this (or last) year.
2008-06-24 17:54:49
211.   Chyll Will
205 Well we agree then. Yoo Hoos on me...
2008-06-24 17:55:53
212.   ny2ca2dc
211 I think we'll need something stronger for this game.
2008-06-24 17:56:36
213.   Just fair
I want to see a Cano slingshot in the malls by this Christmas.
And a LaTroy batting tee.
2008-06-24 17:57:09
214.   dianagramr
Kahlua-flavored YooHoo ?
2008-06-24 17:57:19
215.   Jeb
Gentlemen,

Looks like we're playing below our heads again against a team playing their world series. Apparently the entire city of Pittsburgh has declared these 3 days "Yankees festival" and all businesses are closed while people dance in the streets and speak of Maz in hushed tones.

I promise I'm NOT in Pittsburgh so I didn't bring the bad luck to us. I can't speak for Bama Yank though.

208 Alex -- I went to Arthur Avenue on Friday and it was everything that I thought it could be. I took two tremendous pictures of two older gentlemen in berets walking along the street and would love to send them to you. I don't know if you'd ever want to post them here, but these guys looked...I don't know...authentic? How can I email them to you?

2008-06-24 17:57:27
216.   Chyll Will
212 (I'll slip in some Godiva when you're not looking...)
2008-06-24 17:57:41
217.   williamnyy23
209 I don't know...I kind of agree that this is now Arod's team. The younger players seem to gravitate more toward Arod than Jeter, and the holdovers from the Jeter era are dwindling. You also can't deny the performance level...during Arod's absence, I think the notion that this is his team gained more traction.
2008-06-24 17:58:22
218.   monkeypants
199 Or he's hurt. For all we know, he is making proper adjustments, compensating for an injured wrist by cutting down on his swing and thus making more contact, but with less power and fewer BBs.

Look, we'll never really know. I think the easiest explanation is that he is hurt. The second most likely explanation is that he is in decline, though such a steep decline in a single season for a very good player is rare (though not unprecedented). Those just seem to be more plausible solutions than speculating on Jeter's psyche over A-Rod or Torre's firing, or whatever, or declaring that the player is stupid or not trying or selfish.

In terms of stubbornness, that fault is shared by the player (for likely playing through an injury) and the coaching staff for not giving him any days off. I'm not just talking about the DL--everyone on the field over 30 gets more or less regular days off except for Jeter. Why?

2008-06-24 17:59:40
219.   Chyll Will
214 You almost won yourself a root beer >;)

215 Look on the sidebar under "Contact"...

2008-06-24 18:00:37
220.   ny2ca2dc
216 I prefer Ghirardelli, I'm from the Bay Area after all. But it's the thought that counts.
2008-06-24 18:01:16
221.   OldYanksFan
209 Do you feel that way personally Alex? Does Derek personify the Yankees to you?
2008-06-24 18:01:29
222.   cult of basebaal
man this riccardi v dunn story just keeps getting weirder:

"I talked to Adam on Saturday, so I see it as a dead issue," Ricciardi told a group of reporters on Tuesday afternoon. "He called me. I tried to get his phone and I wasn't having any luck. He had called me. I told him I made a mistake and apologized. I let my guard down, which I shouldn't have done, but I did. All I can do is apologize."

Found in the clubhouse tunnel on the visitor's side of the field, Dunn was emphatic that he never called Ricciardi and that the two haven't spoken.

"What? Not true. One million percent," Dunn told MLB.com after being informed of Ricciardi's comments.

2008-06-24 18:01:38
223.   williamnyy23
I came into this game already counting it as a win, so I can't accept otherwise. They have to win this game.

Another first pitch hack by Jeter.

2008-06-24 18:02:39
224.   williamnyy23
If Long is right, then Jeter is becoming to the Yankees what Ripken was to the Orioles late in his career. If the coaching staff really believes Jeter is hurt, then REST him. Isn't that fairly obvious?
2008-06-24 18:02:50
225.   Alex Belth
Sweet. There's the DJ we know and love.
2008-06-24 18:03:07
226.   Chyll Will
218 Would you like Godiva or Kahlua in your Yoo Hoo? 211 >;)
2008-06-24 18:04:07
227.   monkeypants
210 Hell, last year he batted .840 OPS. From your SS, that's pretty damn good. His consistent level of success, even hitting right at his career averages in 2007 at age 33, leads me to believe that he is hurt. Unless we are looking at a Robbie Alomar type decline, it really does look like he's hurt.

And if so, then OYF 203 and I agree, he needs to sit some and heal.

2008-06-24 18:05:38
228.   monkeypants
224 Yes, agreed, as I have posted numerous times this season.
2008-06-24 18:05:58
229.   williamnyy23
Can't strand a leadoff a double now...
2008-06-24 18:06:13
230.   Alex Belth
Hey, no I think Rodriguez is the best player on the team. Does Jeter personify the Yankees to me? No one player does, but I think he does, along with Rivera and Posada, more than anyone else, for better or worse.

Jeb, send those shots to me at alexbelth@aol.com

Awful job by A Rod and Abreu there.

2008-06-24 18:06:23
231.   Chyll Will
220 That's right, but I didn't think they made a chocolate liqueur. I find it strange they overlook Fisherman's Wharf; chocolate-covered fish just doesn't sound that appealing. Maybe I can arrange for SF Yanks to hand you a sampler on my behalf?
2008-06-24 18:06:35
232.   Jeb
219 thanks Chyll Will

Alex -- the check you in-box.

Oh...I also met Bald Vinnie this weekend.

2008-06-24 18:07:15
233.   williamnyy23
228 It's one thing for a fan to say it, or a columnist or even another player, but when the hitting coach attributes Jeter's struggles to an injury, why on Earth haven't they taken the necessary steps to correct the problem?
2008-06-24 18:08:54
234.   ny2ca2dc
222 Hah. You've got to be kidding. Where'd ya find that? This stuff is way more interesting than the game...

JP is SUCH a tool. Though it would hurt the team to have him replaced with someone competent. Then there would be no managerial basket cases left in the div!

2008-06-24 18:09:00
235.   OldYanksFan
Jeez... Jetes doubles and Abru and ARod shit the bed? What is going on?
2008-06-24 18:09:34
236.   Chyll Will
233 Conflicts in the front office maybe?
2008-06-24 18:10:19
237.   OldYanksFan
Giambi could make it a game here.
2008-06-24 18:10:40
238.   monkeypants
133 I don't know. Why does Abreu get to bat 3rd forever? Why did Johnny never go on the DL last year? Why did Matsui continue to play until a catastrophic injury took him out?

It is obvious that the coaches allow the players significant influence in such decisions. I wonder if former players who manage are more prone to defer to their veteran players?

2008-06-24 18:10:44
239.   ny2ca2dc
231 Actually I don't think they do. Just trying to be cute. I should've just called my Granny, she always thinks I'm cute.
2008-06-24 18:11:18
240.   monkeypants
238 --> 233
2008-06-24 18:11:20
241.   williamnyy23
236 What do you mean? That Cashman is demanding Jeter play? I would think Long would tell Girardi what he thinks and then Joe would sit Jeter down for three games. The only reason I can think they haven't rested him is that Jeter refuses to sit.
2008-06-24 18:11:44
242.   ny2ca2dc
233 Because it's baseball, and the Yankees are old school like that. In a stupid, counterproductive way.
2008-06-24 18:13:14
243.   pistolpete
Well, look for Marte in pinstripes now?
2008-06-24 18:14:21
244.   monkeypants
234 Not only is he a tool, but he is a lousy GM. He has done one thing right in his career, and that is work for Billy Beane.
2008-06-24 18:14:27
245.   Chyll Will
239 You can borrow my crickets if you need em >;)
2008-06-24 18:16:54
246.   Chyll Will
236 No, I don't think Cash is the stupid party in that theory, but spin the wheel and we might land on it soon...
2008-06-24 18:17:02
247.   williamnyy23
There has to be something in the minors more worthy of a bullpen spot than Hawkins. He really has no purpose on this team.
2008-06-24 18:17:02
248.   williamnyy23
There has to be something in the minors more worthy of a bullpen spot than Hawkins. He really has no purpose on this team.
2008-06-24 18:18:37
249.   williamnyy23
I think it's time to focus our energy toward rooting on Arizona and Florida, and then hope the Yankees can figure out away to handle the hard hitting NL Central tomorrow.
2008-06-24 18:19:24
250.   monkeypants
It's "only" a 5 run game in the 7th. Now I know that everyone has already given up, but seriously, if you were Girardi at what point would you stop warming the BP and tell the pitcher that he has to take one for the team?
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2008-06-24 18:19:35
251.   Chyll Will
246 --> 241 I just don't see Jeter throwing a hissy fit if someone tells him to sit for a day or two. Maybe he does what Jorge was doing and texts him every day (can I play now? Can I play now?), but I dunno what the politics are really like in that clubhouse, so...
2008-06-24 18:19:49
252.   ny2ca2dc
At least Zona is winning, 4-1 mid6.

It probably is time to just DFA Hawk - he's not even going to bring a fringe C- relief prospect. Robertson, Patterson, Traber, (or best) BRITTON, come on down.

2008-06-24 18:20:05
253.   3rd gen yankee fan
Welp, time to start drinkin.
2008-06-24 18:20:41
254.   nick
they have 15 hits, 7 for extra bases....
2008-06-24 18:21:04
255.   Chyll Will
250 Now? >;)
2008-06-24 18:21:24
256.   Yankees Brasil
254 We have 7 hits! We have left 8 men on base.
2008-06-24 18:21:52
257.   williamnyy23
250 At this point, I'd leave Hawkins in to throw as many pitches as he could without posing an injury risk, and then I'd DFA him after the game.
2008-06-24 18:22:01
258.   Chyll Will
253 Might I recommend the Yoo Hoo, VSOP?
2008-06-24 18:22:05
259.   ny2ca2dc
Good think Matsui (or Betemit) came in to PH in the highest offensive leverage point in the game. Oh wait, it was frigin Molina?

Just leave Hawk out there to finish the game. Then cut him for Ponson.

2008-06-24 18:24:06
260.   randym77
Jeter hates to sit. He used to drive Torre absolutely crazy in the dugout when he couldn't play. Just bugged the crap out of everybody.
2008-06-24 18:24:14
261.   monkeypants
I do think that some housecleaning is coming. Remember when Miggy was DFAed much to our surprise. Hear me now and listen to me later, Hawkins is not long for this team.
2008-06-24 18:24:31
262.   williamnyy23
It really sucks to have to take this game out of the win column. I still can't believe that the Yankees couldn't are going to lose to Tom Gorzelanny. It's almost like two losses.
2008-06-24 18:24:31
263.   3rd gen yankee fan
258 Evil, vile stuff. We're drinkin some of the hometown brew: Zon by Boulevard Brewery. Yummy summer beer!
2008-06-24 18:25:00
264.   Alex Belth
Whatta ya say, huge rally here, eh?
2008-06-24 18:25:28
265.   Chyll Will
254 , 256 Yin & Yang... perfect balance. I knew you guys could get along!
2008-06-24 18:25:51
266.   nick
the only guys in our pen behind Mo worth anything are Ramirez and Veras. they are the only guys I want to see in a close game--and I'm not crazy about them....
2008-06-24 18:27:49
267.   monkeypants
262 You have been reading from Mattpat's script, haven't you?
2008-06-24 18:27:57
268.   Yankees Brasil
Cano and Christian have 5 of our 7 hits. Crazy stuff.
2008-06-24 18:28:20
269.   monkeypants
264 Nope.
2008-06-24 18:28:51
270.   Alex Belth
Or maybe not.
2008-06-24 18:29:07
271.   Yankees Brasil
268 And Melky and Rasner have 4 of our 5 BB's. Absolutely insane.
2008-06-24 18:29:44
272.   Chyll Will
263 Well, if drinkability is an issue...
2008-06-24 18:30:41
273.   monkeypants
268 271 That's the funny thing about baseball...you just can't predict it. Nope, you just can't predict baseball.
2008-06-24 18:30:43
274.   williamnyy23
267 Sorry, but I still don't get the reference. I usually like to form my own opinions, as inane as they may seem to some.
2008-06-24 18:31:10
275.   monkeypants
273 Sorry, I was temporarily possessed by John Sterling.
2008-06-24 18:31:36
276.   williamnyy23
Here's a thought...why not rest Jeter once the game got out of hand?
2008-06-24 18:32:14
277.   ny2ca2dc
At least Hawkins is still out there.
2008-06-24 18:32:14
278.   Chyll Will
275 What, no showtunes?
2008-06-24 18:33:08
279.   Just fair
Anyone here ever eaten at Primanti Brother? A Pittsburgh staple that I absolutely must eat whenever I visit. It's just a sandwich, really. Far better than the shit sandwich served up tonight.
2008-06-24 18:33:21
280.   williamnyy23
The Rays have the bases loaded with no outs.
2008-06-24 18:33:56
281.   ny2ca2dc
276 And Posada, who's still recovering. Haven't we all said this before. And Big G, who is fragile and so important. Or ARod who's so important...
2008-06-24 18:34:52
282.   williamnyy23
281 All of those guys, but especially the one that the coaching staff has conceded is injured.
2008-06-24 18:35:26
283.   OldYanksFan
Maybe Rod Serling is in the booth?
2008-06-24 18:35:57
284.   Just fair
280 If they come back and win, does it count for one or two? : )
2008-06-24 18:36:53
285.   monkeypants
274 Oh nothing much...Mattpat wrote some very similar posts in the last couple of game threads.
2008-06-24 18:37:20
286.   williamnyy23
284 You'd have to ask a Marlins or Rays fan. I didn't going into that game with a strong assumption about the outcome, so it really has no extra feeling to me.
2008-06-24 18:38:12
287.   ny2ca2dc
282 I do think that we can -- in the least -- relieve ourselves of notions that Girardi would be a different kind of manager, less beholden to baseball orthodoxies.
2008-06-24 18:38:58
288.   Alex Belth
This JP/Dunn story is just plain strange.
2008-06-24 18:40:22
289.   dianagramr
oooh .... Pastadiving Jeter!
2008-06-24 18:40:34
290.   williamnyy23
That's just what Jeter's body needed...a hard dive on the infield.
2008-06-24 18:40:37
291.   cult of basebaal
287 yeah, i'm afraid that became apparent pretty quickly ... the spirit of joey joe joe lives on
2008-06-24 18:41:11
292.   rufuswashere
Pasta divingjeter for a late night snack?

Adios hawk.

2008-06-24 18:41:15
293.   monkeypants
286 Given that baseball is a game where the best teams in a given year still lose around 40 % of their games, where the best player fails 60% of the time, etc...I find that having strong assumptions about outcomes is only a recipe for disappointment.

Remember the wise words that John Sterling just said on the radio (and I kid you not): "You just can't figure baseball."

: )

2008-06-24 18:41:18
294.   Chyll Will
276 "Let the fans complain,
I just wanna pass the game away...
Oww, right here, right here's where I'm gonna stay,
aaaalllllll night long! (oooo-ooo-ooo-WEE!")
2008-06-24 18:41:34
295.   williamnyy23
287 Lots of dissapointing things about this season...but that's at the top of the list.
2008-06-24 18:41:38
296.   cult of basebaal
17 hits, to the f'ing pirates ... if george was still alive, heads would roll
2008-06-24 18:42:28
297.   ny2ca2dc
288 But doesn't it really fit into the JP narrative. He's such a sniveling ass kisser - manipulates situations and tells white lies to pump himself up and hide mistakes. I can just picture a handful of past co workers who fit that mold perfectly.

Pasta tonight! Jeter really does look sluggish moving to the sides. Alberto in the game would've allowed Hawk to finish this game, saving a reliever, and would've gotten Jeter some rest.

2008-06-24 18:42:50
298.   monkeypants
Ummm...why is another pitcher in this game?
2008-06-24 18:44:02
299.   williamnyy23
293 Call me naive, but I expected them to beat a pitcher throwing as poorly as Tom Gorzelanny. By this point, I should know better than to expect consistent play from this team.
2008-06-24 18:44:35
300.   3rd gen yankee fan
This game just sucks.
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2008-06-24 18:44:42
301.   Just fair
Yeah, between JP's bs and Minaya's press conference and boy genius' monkey suit. Wow. 18 hits for the Buccos. Not good.
2008-06-24 18:45:09
302.   Chyll Will
298 It's one thing to tell a bad reliever to suck it up, but not one who can't and hasn't gone the distance all season. That would be cruel...
2008-06-24 18:45:19
303.   nick
and now Ramirez!? why here?
2008-06-24 18:45:25
304.   williamnyy23
Marlins walking the ballpark...Rays take a 4-3 lead and could takeover 1st place.
2008-06-24 18:46:18
305.   dianagramr
Jeter since being hit by Cabrera on May 20:

29-123, .236/.317/.317
4 doubles, 2 homers, 12BB, 17K

2008-06-24 18:46:29
306.   ny2ca2dc
298 Hawk threw 49 pitches, so it seems like 50 was his limit. I would've preferred he suck it up, and if he get's injured so what. At least one more batter. Just pathetic Edwar had to come into this game.
2008-06-24 18:46:39
307.   nick
it may be that Veras and Ramirez are no better than Frans and Hawk; but to randomly throw them into low-leverage situations while also randomly calling on them in the 8th makes no sense at all....
2008-06-24 18:47:10
308.   Chyll Will
Okay, I'm going back to watching Ken Burns' Civil War. I don't need to watch this much carnage in one sitting. C'ya!
2008-06-24 18:47:12
309.   Yankees Brasil
9 extra base hits for the Pirates!!
2008-06-24 18:47:16
310.   cult of basebaal
ok ... i've reached my popeye point ... i can't stands NO more!

see everyone tomorrow.

2008-06-24 18:47:51
311.   nick
....Girardi seems, albeit in a different way than Torre, an utterly perplexing handler of the bullpen.
2008-06-24 18:48:35
312.   randym77
279 Is that the one with the french fries in the sandwich?

Good grief. Nyjer Morgan? He's kind of a Bubba Crosby type. Nice speed, nice glove, light bat. I saw him in spring training and was amazed as he made repeated webgem-type catches. The fans cheered him when he came to the plate just because of his play in CF, even though he couldn't hit for beans.

2008-06-24 18:48:48
313.   OldYanksFan
305 More then a month ago. He should be healed by now, unless of course, he has been playing everyday.
2008-06-24 18:49:00
314.   monkeypants
302 I guess. Isn't it the time for one of the three catchers to go in to pitch? Or maybe a starter on his throw day? Must a reliever get burned for one out in a lost game?
2008-06-24 18:49:29
315.   ny2ca2dc
311 He did great when there were clear roles and a pretty clear delineation of talent (When Joba and Bruney and even Alby were around). But now he has Mo and a bunch of guys and isn't working it out, he's just playing darts.
2008-06-24 18:49:51
316.   williamnyy23
Well, I hope the Yankees are embarrassed. They've played one of their worst games of the year, and that's saying something.
2008-06-24 18:51:31
317.   Just fair
312 French fries, cole slaw, white bread, and whatever the hell else you want smoosthed together. Delicious. Oh, and a nice cool I.C. Light, of course.
2008-06-24 18:52:27
318.   monkeypants
305 313

Jeter's OPS:

Last 14 days: .733
Last 7 days: .782

So, is he slowly coming out of it?

Small sample alert!

2008-06-24 18:53:29
319.   randym77
They said that was the most pitches Hawkins had thrown in eight years. I think they had to pull him.
2008-06-24 18:56:44
320.   williamnyy23
Red Sox are on the way back now...so much for status quo.
2008-06-24 18:57:01
321.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Late today! Hallo Banterites, can anyone please tell me, are there any reasons to watch this game tonight besides the gorgeous looking park and young Mr.Christian getting some atbats?? 12-3 to the farkin Pirates?!?!?!
2008-06-24 18:57:13
322.   OldYanksFan
Boston rallying. 4-2. 1st and 2nd, no out, Nancy up, Manny on deck.
2008-06-24 18:58:35
323.   nick
Jeter picking a nice time to show patience at the plate...
2008-06-24 18:59:23
324.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
322 you are making the morning even worse..that said, I feel like Williamnyy23 when it comes to Manny, it's actually an nonor to watch him hit.
2008-06-24 18:59:28
325.   ny2ca2dc
Salt. Wound.
2008-06-24 18:59:29
326.   monkeypants
323 Yeah, he's so selfish. And Abreu is totally unclutch with that HR.
2008-06-24 18:59:33
327.   williamnyy23
Did Michael Kay really just say "the Yankees have now closed it to 12-5?" Really?
2008-06-24 18:59:54
328.   randym77
321 If there's a 2-out, ninth-inning rally, you'll be sorry you missed it.
2008-06-24 19:00:20
329.   ny2ca2dc
So now lets test the theory that a team who comes back a bit late in a blowout wins the next game.
2008-06-24 19:00:55
330.   williamnyy23
324 Yesterday, Manny had an epic AB against Pena in the 8th in which he fouled off pitch after pitch before lining out with a rocket to third.

Manny or Arod...whom to watch?

2008-06-24 19:01:53
331.   williamnyy23
Manny and Arod ground out...those guys stink.
2008-06-24 19:02:15
332.   monkeypants
327 They closed it to seven runs, but just couldn't finish off the rally!

That was a pretty yucky game.

2008-06-24 19:02:30
333.   dianagramr
night all
2008-06-24 19:02:47
334.   williamnyy23
Geez, I didn't realize that the Yankees record is only 4 games better than the Pirates. I guess I really shouldn't have gone into this game expecting a win.
2008-06-24 19:03:26
335.   williamnyy23
Red Sox tie the game up... damn it.
2008-06-24 19:04:21
336.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
330
it's a toss up..but when Manny is hot he seems almost impossible to get out..anywhere to find stat info on "hot streaks" through the years? Joe Poznanski had a good bit no that recently..
2008-06-24 19:05:30
337.   williamnyy23
335 And now they take the lead...if the Rays hold on, this loss becomes even more costly.
2008-06-24 19:37:56
338.   OldYanksFan
Wow... what a shitty night. Bum Mer.

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