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I'll Have One Good Andy with a Side Order of Mo to Go

2008-06-12 17:52

by Alex Belth

C'mon. Please.

Let's go Yan-Kees.

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2008-06-12 18:10:01

1. unmoderated

i'm ready.

a prediction for prediction's sake:

Mr. Andy: 6 1/3 IP 2 ER, 6 H, 4 K, 1 BB
Pen: 2 2/3 IP, 1 ER 1 H, 2 K, 0 BB

Oaktown Pitching: 7 ER, 11 H, 5 K, 5 BB

The Good: Posada 2-4 HR 2B, Abreu, 2-3 2 BB, Melky 3-4 (all singles)

The Bad: Farnsworth 1 IP 2 H 1 ER (solo shot by Ellis)

The Ugly: Blanton 4 IP 5 ER 8 H 4 K 3 BB

let's go.

2008-06-12 18:13:16

2. cult of basebaal

hmmm ... not sure how this will work out for your prediction, posada isn't starting tonite

2008-06-12 18:14:16

3. mehmattski

Whoops, guess I posted in the wrong thread:
Here's to hoping that we see Good Pettitte for the first time in over a month. His Game Scores this season:

4/5 TBR- 36
4/10 @ KC- 59
4/15 @ TBR- 49
4/20 @ BAL- 74
4/25 @ CLE- 33
4/30 DET- 40
5/6 CLE- 60
5/12 @ TBR- 29
5/17 NYM- 51
5/23 SEA- 57
5/28 @ BAL- 42
6/2 @ MIN- 41
6/7 KCR- 15

Also, I kind of hope Mo gets another night off after his first four-straight-day performance of his career.

2008-06-12 18:16:01

4. cult of basebaal

anyone else want to bitch about the lineup with me ... i can see still be conservative with posada, but what's wrong with DHing him and keeping his bat in the lineup ... and what's wrong with parking melky's sorry bat on the bench and playing damon for a game in CF ... we're back to the wasteland of suck that defined our bottom 1/3rd of the lineup with cano, cabrera and molina

screw joey joe joe and his auto-pilot managing

2008-06-12 18:17:40

5. ny2ca2dc

4 I agree, but I'll raise you a Cano-to-bench-replaced-by-Betemit. I'd also think about bringing up Gardner, certainly when the third catcher is dumped.

2008-06-12 18:22:59

6. cult of basebaal

5 betamax might be a disaster in waiting at 2nd, but i'm about done with cano and his absolutely infuriating refusal to adapt his approach at the plate ... time to ride some pine, or better yet, time to ride some buses in the bushes

i'm usually the one preaching patience, but i think this year it's time for cashman to shake some things up

2008-06-12 18:27:36

7. monkeypants

4 Good call on the lineup. I'm not a huge fan of Damon at CF, but clearly he can fill in for a game or two here and there. When the season started it seemed like Girardi was making pretty good use of what we thought was a deep bench. But now it is autopilot managing, inflexible use of manpower, three catchers, and disappearing players (when did Duncan play last).

Why did they change managers again? (And this coming from one of the louder Torre critics on this board.)

2008-06-12 18:34:07

8. cult of basebaal

7 good question, especially after you figure in bullpen usage ... why, indeed???

2008-06-12 18:40:14

9. williamnyy23

To be honest, it's hard to get worked up about the lineup because the Yankees have been so damn inconsistent. If they catch the ball and get some hits with men on base, they'll win, but if they fail to make plays and leave every runner stranded, they'll lose.

Obviously, the analysis above is stating the obvious, but it is also very true. The last thread about the Mets juxtaposed the feeling around the two teams, and the reason I think the Mets situation is more dire is because they are finding lots of different ways to lose games. The Yankees on the other hand seem to alternate playing well with playing poorly. If you think about it, the Yankees have not had many excruciating losses...when they lose, they deserve too.

Jeter was right...this team is consistently inconsistent. I don't know why that is, or how to overcome it.

2008-06-12 18:41:27

10. Dimelo

Watch Leche do something amazing tonight...

2008-06-12 18:47:57

11. mehmattski

10 He did hit a nice homer the other night, his first extra base hit since May 28 and his first homer since May 4.

2008-06-12 18:54:34

12. cult of basebaal

9 i guess part of the reason the lineup is becoming a big deal to me is that it is part of the reason that we've been so damn inconsistent, we've got 1/3rd of our lineup thats essentially been dead weight for most of the year.

11 which means i won't have to worry about him hitting another one any time soon, let alone tonite

i think gardner is worth a shot, send down duncanstein (he's pointless, anyway) and bring up gardner to start in CF. make melky the 4th OF, he's got the range and arm to play everywhere out there.

2008-06-12 18:56:19

13. mehmattski

12 Note that despite the .392 slugging percentage, Melky still has more homers than Jeter, Cano, Damon, Matsui, and all three catchers combined.

2008-06-12 18:58:25

14. monkeypants

12 If they are not going to use Duncan, he should definitely go...and especially since Giartorre has turned Betemit into the all time BU1B. I also agree that it is time for Gardner to come up, either to start or to play 4th OF/PR/PH.

That all said, I am curious, what do you think should be done when (if ever) the team jettisons the third C? Do you have a specific player in mind to take the roster spot?

2008-06-12 19:04:50

15. mehmattski

14 Barry Bonds?

2008-06-12 19:05:51

16. Just fair

Not fer nothin', but those miserable weather games seem like eons ago. And as Mr. Herman said in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, "Andy. ANDY!!!"
C'mon Pettitte.

2008-06-12 19:08:32

17. mehmattski

Good start, Johnny. It looked a lot like my hits in softball...

2008-06-12 19:09:42

18. Shaun P

4 I've got to believe that Melky is playing because he's the damn best defensive OF the Yanks have, Oakland has a big outfield, and even if Pettitte gets groundballs 54% of the time this year (his highest groundball %age in 5 years, so maybe a fluke?), every single reliever in the pen is a flyball pitcher - many of them extreme flyball pitchers.

Besides, with no DH the next 3 games in Houston - which means no rest for Posada - and Giambi, Matsui, and Damon hitting as well as they are, Melky is the guy most likely to sit then.

5 My guess is Girardi hopes Cano is going to hit himself out of this, but I think I'm with you. What we don't know is how that would affect Cano. The worst thing to do would be to drive him into a deeper funk.

2008-06-12 19:10:39

19. Ken Arneson

That leadoff hit is Joe Blanton's season in a nutshell: make a good pitch and lose anyway.

2008-06-12 19:11:20

20. mehmattski

18 Can Matsui play second base?

2008-06-12 19:12:05

21. tommyl

19 Ken, clearly you haven't been watching the Yankees this season. They will load up the bases, then proceed to hit into an unassisted triple play. Don't worry.

2008-06-12 19:15:34

22. tommyl

Does anyone besides Damon, Alex and Giambi ever walk? I can't remember someone else doing it.

2008-06-12 19:16:04

23. mehmattski

Blanton looks kind of weird pitching from the stretch. It's like he's pitching in a backyard wiffleball game or something.

2008-06-12 19:16:20

24. monkeypants

21 Naw, a triple play is not painful enough--like tearing the band aid off really fast. Rather, they would K, pop up, then hit a drive to the fence that's caught.

2008-06-12 19:17:09

25. Just fair

On 6/4 the Yanks beat the Jays 5-1. That is their biggest blowout win in the last 17 games. Bleh.
That's the extent of my number crunching.

2008-06-12 19:18:22

26. mehmattski

22 Matsui has an OBP of .406 with a BA of .323, which is a bigger spread than A-Rod (.314/.388), so Matsui is taking plenty of walks. Just not there.

Twenty-four pitches in the first inning is a good start, though.

2008-06-12 19:19:51

27. williamnyy23

Not a good start with men in scoring position. Hopefully they catch the ball.

2008-06-12 19:20:16

28. Ken Arneson

The Unlucky meets The Unclutch: who will Unwin?

2008-06-12 19:20:42

29. mehmattski

Uh oh. After three pitches I already have a bad feeling about Andy tonight.

Fastball up, Fastball up, Fastball over the plate.

2008-06-12 19:21:00

30. Just fair

Unknown. For sure.

2008-06-12 19:21:49

31. Shaun P

20 Kaz, or Hideki?

;)

2008-06-12 19:22:08

32. 51cq24

cust looks like teixeira

2008-06-12 19:22:28

33. tommyl

26 Yeah, I forgot to type Matsui (and probably Jorge and Abreu), ok. Still it seems like we're not walking all that much this year as a team, no?

2008-06-12 19:23:07

34. tommyl

27 Nope, well I've got some old Iron Chef and Buffy on the DVR.

2008-06-12 19:24:11

35. mehmattski

28 Hitters have a BABIP of .297 against Blanton this season. That's not all that unlucky. His .336 in 2006 was pretty unlucky though, but his career rate is .296...

In addition, his 4.05 FIP is not that different from his real ERA, so he's pitching pretty well in line with his peripherals.

2008-06-12 19:25:14

36. tommyl

On an up note, Hughes has been cleared to start throwing.

2008-06-12 19:25:46

37. Alex Belth

Lookit Andy all fired up. Nice.

2008-06-12 19:26:24

38. cult of basebaal

29 yeah, ain't that the truth! at least the last one was up and in on the hands. not a comforting beginning.

2008-06-12 19:27:22

39. cult of basebaal

36 and jb cox is out for 3 weeks with "shoulder tendinitis" ... looks like screamin' jay's gonna stick around a little while longer

2008-06-12 19:27:49

40. williamnyy23

Last night, we discussed the Yankees difficulty hitting with men in scoring position.

Well, it looks like they aren't pitching well in that scenario either. Their OPS against with RISP is .775, which is higher than the league average of .757, not to mention much higher than the offense's .711 mark.

For perspective, the Yankees batters are out OPSing their opponents .767 to .738 overall.

2008-06-12 19:28:07

41. cult of basebaal

34 some REAL iron chef, or iron chef america?

2008-06-12 19:29:15

42. Ken Arneson

35 It's not so much his BABIP that's unlucky; it's his W-L record. He's pitching well, but somehow the A's manage to lose most of his starts, anyway. He deserves to be at least .500 instead of 3-7. Part of that is facing and losing to Dice-K three times.

2008-06-12 19:29:49

43. Just fair

If Shawn Chacon is still pitching in the 5th inning tomorrow my wife might have to have me committed. : )

2008-06-12 19:31:01

44. mehmattski

33 Last year, the Yanks had an Isolated Discipline (OBP-AVG) of .076, and walked 9.8% of the time. This season the Yanks are at .067 and 8.3%. So yeah I guess there have been fewer walks overall.

2008-06-12 19:31:02

45. williamnyy23

I think we are at the point where every Cano AB becomes scrutinized. In this one, he worked the count to 2-0, but then swung at a ball that almost bounced before getting beat on a fastball. In other words, not much progress.

2008-06-12 19:33:07

46. cult of basebaal

way to go melky, you didn't even clear the pitcher's spot!

2008-06-12 19:33:12

47. mehmattski

43 I think the benchmark should be whether Joba is taken out before Chacon.

2008-06-12 19:34:44

48. tommyl

41 America, feel free to make fun of me, but I like it.

2008-06-12 19:35:54

49. nick

45 man, no one should have to scrutinize every Cano AB, too painful--maybe we all should draw lots?

2008-06-12 19:36:20

50. Just fair

47 Those standards are way too low. Damn you, Mark Ellis.

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2008-06-12 19:36:49

51. williamnyy23

I am surprised it hasn't been much of a topic, but I wonder if the steroid fiasco in the offseason is partly to blame for Pettitte's poor performance this year?

2008-06-12 19:36:52

52. tommyl

45 Sometimes I feel like Long and Girardi tell him to be more patient this AB, so he takes 2 pitches and then just feels he can swing at anything again. He just doesn't get it. When Giambi was slumping, he was still walking a ton, so while his BA was under .200, his OBP was .300 or above. Cano is worthless in his present form. What's galling is that if he did learn some patience he could be Chase Utley.

2008-06-12 19:37:05

53. OldYanksFan

Evening Banterers (Banterees? Banterites?)
Can someone please show me any numbers that would lead one to believe Gardner would be more productive then Melky in CF?

I agree I would like Brett on the Bench, but Cashman has said a number of times the Yankees don't want Gardner up just to ride the pine. Bewteen JD, Matsui and Abreu, we don't know what our OF will be in 2009. If there IS room for Gardner, it's best to give him as much time in AAA as possible.

I still think Jeter is the 'spark plug' for this team. Batting 2nd, when he sucks, it takes a lot away from our ability to score. Only 33 RS in 66 games for Jeter. NOT good.

2008-06-12 19:38:16

54. tommyl

53 River Ave. Blues had a nice post about this a few days ago. If you search through there you'll find it. Answer: not much difference.

2008-06-12 19:38:25

55. 51cq24

49 it's not that hard- "then he swung at a ball that..."

2008-06-12 19:47:23

56. cult of basebaal

48 i like ICA, but it's not really "iron" chef. number 1 the ingredients are far too common, there's no real fear like you'd get with the original. no real, "holy shit, i've got to butcher my own live rock eels and make 5 dishes out of them in an hour".
secondly, batali's (other than morimoto, of course, i once saw him win a challenge (chili's) in which he'd never tasted half the possible options of the challenge ingredient) the only iron chef that really stands out ... flay is decent, but overall they're a bit weak, at least compared to the bad-assery of their japanese counter-parts.
not saying it isn't fun, i watch every new episode on sunday nights, i just don't treasure them like the best of the japanese version

2008-06-12 19:48:02

57. williamnyy23

If you look up futile in the dictionary, there is a recap of this inning.

2008-06-12 19:51:07

58. tommyl

56 Yeah I hear you. There was one episode with some giant Hawaiian fish, and another one with live sea bass which was pretty cool. Me, I'd love to see Eric Rippert or Thomas Keller on there, especially Keller, but he'd never do it. I did just realize that our good friend Richard Blais was on a couple of years ago, wish I had that episode.

2008-06-12 19:51:29

59. cult of basebaal

54 i guess my conclusion is, we don't really know what amount of gardner's new "power" is for real. he made adjustments to his stance and approach over the offseason; it's possible that he might have crossed from "4th OF and PR" territory into average (+) starting CF. in which case, what's the loss in trying, when melky's making NO case for his future as the yankee CF? what's the reason NOT to try gardner? if he sucks, we can always go back to the banality of melky as our starting CF.

2008-06-12 19:51:39

60. tommyl

57 Futile: 2008 NYY offense, also see Cano, Robinson

2008-06-12 19:53:18

61. tommyl

59 I don't disagree with you. Perhaps Cashman is giving both of them more time. Melky to see if he can rebound to his early season form, Gardner to settle in more at AAA and see if he's for real. They showed a willingness so far to make moves in terms of the pitching staff, perhaps that means they'll consider doing the same for the position players. Anyways, Ajax is our CF of the future.

2008-06-12 19:53:50

62. cult of basebaal

52 to expound on that, when giambi was hitting for shit, i agreed with girardi that he was getting "good at bats". he was working the count, getting "his" pitches, in hitter's counts and was making good contact. the hits just weren't resulting.

robbie cano??? not so much.

2008-06-12 19:58:35

63. cult of basebaal

well, that was an improvement, from an inning of belt-high to an inning of thigh-high!

2008-06-12 20:00:09

64. tommyl

Dear lord, someone get a hit

2008-06-12 20:03:56

65. tommyl

Sigh

2008-06-12 20:04:19

66. williamnyy23

Was Matsui planning on swinging in that AB?

2008-06-12 20:04:54

67. tommyl

Now Cano will pop out

2008-06-12 20:05:53

68. tommyl

See 67

2008-06-12 20:05:56

69. williamnyy23

I am still trying to figure out if I still think this team can win consistently, or if it's just an instinct from the past. More and more, it feels like I am just waiting for these games to end.

2008-06-12 20:06:41

70. monkeypants

67 Good call, sadly.

2008-06-12 20:06:52

71. williamnyy23

Cano has been so bad that I think the Yankees have to bench him and perhaps Girardi needs to publicly light into him a little.

2008-06-12 20:06:57

72. Schteeve

I'm terrifically sick of Robinson Cano.

2008-06-12 20:07:26

73. OldYanksFan

Was that pitch Cano hit worth swinging at?

2008-06-12 20:09:08

74. OldYanksFan

I will repeat this.
Send Shelly down, bring up AGon, and start him at 2nd for 6 straight games, while Cano rides the pine.

It will be a nice little vacation for AGon and give Robbie some time to think.

2008-06-12 20:09:09

75. monkeypants

In other news, the Celtics went on a furious run in the 3rd to gut a 20+ Laker lead to 2, 4th about to start. That's starting to look more attractive right now.

2008-06-12 20:09:29

76. williamnyy23

73 This team has me in such a stupor, I don't think I could recount anything that has happene